! I was really hoping that Dany would use her Mereen vacation to reflect on her actions. That clearly is not happening any time soon though. I did like her dragon scene though. It was the kind of scene I would expect the Dothraki to rally around rather than, the unburnt lady. I'm probably in the minority on here but I've never found Danys acting to be distractingly bad.
! I prefer the book Randyl Tarly who is slightly proud his son managed to get a girl pregnant to Sam just getting chewed out at dinner. I don't know why they think Gilly+Sam is so interesting that they need to steal heartsbane and ride to the Ctiadel together. The most exciting part about Sam in Oldtown is the people he meets. The most exciting part about Sam anywhere is everyone else really. I don't know how many more scenes we need of Sam and Gilly cutely expressing how much they care about each other like teenagers.
! I don't believe Margery has gone religious. I hope she's just doing this all for Loras and using the Sparrow and Tommen.
! I don't like that Benjen is back. They could have made a new character for that. It's less surprising to me and more silly for him to be the one to rescue Bran.
! So Arya will beat the Waif proving her training is complete and she'll leave the Faceless Ones to return to the story properly. How long will all of this take, probably way too long.
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Game of Thrones (tv show thread)
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When arya is curious about assassins and dubious moral practices she's a hero, when bran is curious about his misterious powers and climbing abilities, he's a douche. Got it
! You know, it would have helped if he showed even a tiny bit remorse in this episode. Instead the focus immediately shifted back to "I'm the chosen one….. but I'm not ready!!!.
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! Benjen was a predictable surprise I suppose. I am sorta confused probably the book people can clear it out. Wasn't the three eyed raven able to look to the past only from the weirwood trees? I mean we did see Bran last episode touch one of the branches to see the white walker army. So now since he is officially the three eyed raven, he can warg and look into the past anytime now without syncing up with the weirwood tree? Just wanted to clarify on that
! Randyl Tarly sounded like a tuned down version of Tywin. Arrogant and brutal while dealing with his "incompetent" son.
! Curious to know how Jaime is going to handle the Tullys vs Freys controversy. It would be fucking awesome if the Tullys do a strategic withdrawal of some sort and do a red wedding against the Freys somehow.
! And finally what was up with that ending? Was that done on purpose to make sure it ends on a high note because it really didn't strike a chord. Dany showing off her power is becoming more and more redundant and losing its 'wow' factor. The only part of it I liked was when Daario rightly says that she is fit for being a conqueror which seems a bit more ominous than how it is right now -
Shallow episode really…
! Coldhands confirmed to be Benjen, pretty obvious but cool nevertheless, like the FB of Aerys…
! Arya well, still wainting for her to beat the $out of the other girl and go back to Westeros
! Samwell part pretty useless, we knew already his father was a dickhead and he's got the personality of a grain of sand
! In KL: "Margaery used pussy, it's supereffective!" Tommen Bieber is a poor idiot, I still don't get how nobody as droppedkicked the High Sparrow....
! Khaleesi ok, she wants to show off her power for the 10000th time, but for 6 seasons there has been nothing but words, it's time to go to Westeros for real.
In the end, lots of storyline are moving but really slow. They said they wanna end it in 8 season but with this pae it's gonna take 12... -
Sam's Mom MVP, on shortlist of "Good Florents".
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A man wanted to see Margaery's walk of atonement. A man had blue balls. :ninja:
I see myself out.
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! Good thing the Benjen actor was available. 6 years older also. I like that.
! That Jamie stuff would've been soooo much better if his character actually reflected his book self. Tired of Cersei, dismissed from the Kingsguard, fed up with everyone at Kings Landing. Journey to the river lands? Super. Screw everyone.
! The Kings Landing stuff mostly just drags on but then I remembered something that happens at the end in the last book.
! Book spoiler
! >! Varys showing up to kill both Pycelle and Kevan. Without Kevan, Margery and the High Septon will walk all over Tommen. And if they kill of Tommen then that'd be something. No Baratheons left.
! Of course show Varys isn't doing what book Varys is doing, so who knows. I think this show needs more chaos.
! My support for Daenerys really just decreases with every episode. She's made mistakes and may or may not have learned from them, but her arrogance (6 seasons of it) is so off-putting. Every time she says "my enemies" I as the viewer instantly think "yeah those guys who had a perfectly good reason to rebel against the Iron Throne."
! I'm more invested in characters like Jon rather than Daenerys because he doesn't think he's entitled to anything (bastard status and all). His current arc is quite intriguing. He's agreed to lead the army, but he's broken, doubtful, hesitant still. How's he gonna give a speech in that sorry state? Something's going to have to jolt him out of it. -
The show has no moonboy, no one told Jamie about Cersei's infidelities.
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Tyrion knew Cersei bedded Lancel Lannister. He could've told Jaimie. Of course, the matter of their departure was bittersweet in the books.
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For whitewashing tyrion and letting cersei forgive jamie for letting him go they are still stuck in season 3.
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Moonboy will step out of the shadows as the true mastermind after Cersei goads Jaime into killing her.
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The fact they're giving character to the acting troupe makes me believe they'll be Arya's way out of Braavos. Or they'll just ignore them for the rest of time, but it'll be a good way for her to put some skills to use.
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The fact that the troupe leader is played by a high profile thesp (Richard E. Grant) suggests that as well.
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I'm glad that Tywin will be forever remembered in history as the guy who got shot with a crossbow on the toilet and shit himself. Couldn't have happened to a nicer man.
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he did say that he wanted to build a legacy.
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Winds of Winter spoilers from a released Arya chapter:
! Arya spends a fair bit of time as a trainee/small bit actress in a Braavosi troupe where they enact a similar play, though she's actually there on orders of the Faceless Men as a way of training. It's when she spots Raff the Sweetling and sneaks off to assassinate him (an actual assassination btw, not her unsubtle business in the show) that potentially causes problems with the FM. I could definitely see Show Arya spending some time with the troupe to improve her horrendous acting skills.
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All that means is that he's a good author and he's been playing fair with the audience.
Also, that there's millions of viewers and readers so there is a lot of mass guessing and comparing of notes.
Happens all the time with popular works with large audiences. Fans here have a lot of One Piece's various future threads figured out pretty well.
If nobody had gotten it right by now it would mean either he hadn't seen enough fan theories, or that the ending was going to be a complete asspull that went against all the groundwork and buildup.
Also helps that the tv show has his notes to go by.
yeah, this is true. being able to predict means that the author has a clear logical follow between each event that has occurred. It also means that a lot of stuff happening has been planed as well. Baiscally everything happens for a reason. I wasn't implying otherwise. I'm just talking about how if you take too long to complete your story these thing become common knowledge.
I guess thats a lot part to do with thanks to the internet, these theories and predictions are spread around and other people can confirm or reject based on evidence and the soundness. It's wroth noting that most theories on the internet are completely wrong or misinterpret/exaggerate.
The showrunners do have all the majors points as well as the ending. But they don't have the details that lead up to them. The dialogue hasn't been as great and it's showing. They can't compete with martin.
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! oh it's gonna get ugly. the blackfish is back, in all of his badassness. i hope he's the one who kills walder and maybe jaime?
sansa seemed to be standing somewhere with lannister sigils, i wonder why the hell would she go there.
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geez, how many episodes can end with a crowd of people cheering for Daenerys? And why High Sparrow did not give Margery a shave as he did Cersei?
I bet Aria will kill that girl, take her face and go back to the temple.
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geez, how many episodes can end with a crowd of people cheering for Daenerys? And why High Sparrow did not give Margery a shave as he did Cersei?
I bet Aria will kill that girl, take her face and go back to the temple.
you know for people who constantly say that time is of outmost importance in adapting a story that has like 9 different storylines…they sure love to waste time with useless shit taking up precious screen-time.
it's almost like they have bulletpoints of things to happen. "hodor dying" check that. "another death check". But they have nothing to show for in the details. It's one thing to know the major plot points and how it ends, and another to be able to pull those together in a good way. This is the only time where they don't have GRRM little details like the great diologue. And it's showing.
Honestly, 9 storylines and 10 episodes. That's like one hour of TV for one character per year. They should have written off dorne out of the story as well as the iron islands. The iron islands are obviously more important, but you can write your way around that I'm sure.
but nah, more wasted screen time with ramsay doing evil useless shit and arya's naruto style training for 5 episodes. And have dany pull off incredibly cringe worthy speeches and waste more time. It's so obvious they are stalling the story like crazy.
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It's probably because if they start explaining stuff in detail and introduce the book characters, it might go a bit too long and perhaps a wee bit complicated for regular tv viewing folks to follow.
I am not justifying the last scene either case. Or perhaps…
! Showing glimpses of the Mad King saying "Burn them all" in Bran's vision along with Daario saying that Dany is more apt as a conqueror perhaps has some hidden foreshadowing to it. Both characters seem to treading through the fine line of vanity and sanity
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Exactly. they ran out of book material and it shows. Dialogue without Martin's material is just stupid. Still I hope the ending of the season will deliver something interesting.
the only reason to read a whole book about characters in Dorn - is the faith that the pieces will all fall into place in the end. That there is some Dornish masterplan, hidden from our view. But the way they do some things in Tv-show… I'm not sure that they know its going anywhere anyway
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Finally, Jamie is back on course. His run through the riverlands was my favorite part in "a feast for the crows" . Brienne is headed that way as well via Sansa's wish. This will probably lead up to Jamie finally turning his back on his sister. And we may even see Undead Cat.
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The fact that the troupe leader is played by a high profile thesp (Richard E. Grant) suggests that as well.
Not to mention, Lady Crane is the incomparable Essie Davis (I just marathoned Ms. Fisher's Murder Mysteries…). They c_ould_ be using big-name actors for a mere two-episode stint, or, more likely, they will be recurring, as people are suggesting.
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I'm just glad Arya has Needle back in her hands, she's at her best when stabbing people. Stabby Stabby.
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At her best or at her worst?
The answer is: best.
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i really want to know where sam is gonna go now. is he still gonna go to the citadel? his father knows that and he'll definitely send someone there. not to mention that he hates sam and he's itching for a reason to kill him.
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It's not like he knew what would happen. Also the Three Eyed Raven was being very cryptic about this stuff, so I would say that's partially his fault.
yes,he didn't knew what would happen.that's why he shouldn't have gone traipsing about through the space-time spirit network(or whatever it is)without the old man.i mean,even when he saw the white walkers he kept walking to them,granted he may not know how to return.but still he was just being reckless.
and i don't think raven was being cryptic.bran just wanted everything NOW!i mean,he needs to grow up.
@maxterdexter:When arya is curious about assassins and dubious moral practices she's a hero, when bran is curious about his mysterious powers and climbing abilities, he's a douche. Got it
don't know if you were replying to me specifically but just wanted to say that i really don't think that arya is always right.yes,she has been reckless and made bad choice(a lot,actually).but you know her recklessnes hasn't really caused other's deaths,as far as i remember(except those she killed)
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Arya betrayal in this remind a problem I had. Her getting her eyes back. Supposedely the faceless man gave her choice between her eyes and her identity, only to finally decide she deserved both. I hate when the consequences are just erase or a dilemma stop existing simply because you supposedely learned your lesson. I'm surprise by how much animosity that other gorl has for Arya. The faceless people seems pretty fond of the "don't let emotions get in your way."
The ending was meh. It is the kind of thing that should have happen when she was taking control of the dothrakis, not now. Especially with that speech(minus the blood riders who should have been her 3 dragons rather than the whole bunch).It seems more done to have a cool ending scene than because it serves her story.
I'm really interested in what is going on in the capital. A sweet move was played, although I'm not really sure who was the big winer. Supposedely the high sparrow, but did Marjory reallly break?
They should have left the baby to have a decent life.
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yes,he didn't knew what would happen.that's why he shouldn't have gone traipsing about through the space-time spirit network(or whatever it is)without the old man.i mean,even when he saw the white walkers he kept walking to them,granted he may not know how to return.but still he was just being reckless.
and i don't think raven was being cryptic.bran just wanted everything NOW!i mean,he needs to grow up.They were suppose to be vision and the old man assured him he couldn't interract with anything in them.
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I'm thinking Melissandre has got to die.
Lets say Sansa dies. No worries, the red woman is here.
If this was a comedy show, we'd have Jon snow dying over and over again. Actually, never mind, do that anyway.
I assume there is a limit, though.
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melissandre isn't the only one who knows how to resurrect tho, and even if she was. the whole resurrection thing will not be spammed, it will make the show feel tension-less.
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Exactly, I am pretty sure ppl involved aren't so dumb that they would abuse the resurrections.
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A baby boo doesn't remember thoros of myr and bedric dondarien, the man revived seven times, is one seventh of a man.
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I'm really interested in what is going on in the capital. A sweet move was played, although I'm not really sure who was the big winer. Supposedely the high sparrow, but did Marjory reallly break?
I doubt Marjory broke, personally.
This is more than likely some play by her to eventually have the High Sparrow in a position where he isn't surrounded by sparrows to protect him.
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! Was Sandor really that far from the camp that he didn't hear any of that happening?
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! Oh Ian McShane…you could have totally been Euron if you were maybe ten years younger. Dang it! Regardless, it was great seeing you here in spite of the small role.
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! Never quite got all the hype for CleganeBowl…but we've got an appearance from the Brotherhood without Banners, we've got Jaime sorting out Riverrun, we've got Brienne heading to the Riverlands...let's get the LSH hype ready here.
@Vanessa:! Was Sandor really that far from the camp that he didn't hear any of that happening?
! I was thinking that too. He is one unobservant bastard.
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! Ah come ooooon! There was even a callback!!! I've got blueballs over here! If we don't get that character my soul will be crushed!
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! It wouldn't surprise me if THAT character is being set up to appear based on several hints that were tossed out (now that the Brotherhood without Banners were coincidently brought in and uncharacteristically more violent than usual). Though if this were the case, I'm surprised the writers didn't foreshadow this sooner back in the Walder Frey scene a few eps ago.
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Another meh episode that was about moving pieces in place for future episodes, still decent television.
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Another meh episode that was about moving pieces in place for future episodes, still decent television.
I'm feeling the same way. I really worry that we'll get a rushed ending, the director basically has to spend these coming few episodes ''putting out fires'' so to say. Right now it seems like the only reason the season ( and damn near by extention the series as a whole ) hasn't ended is to pad out run time.
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Can we have a whole season of Lady Mormont of Bear Island putting people in their place? I'm sure she could clear up this nasty business between High Sparrow, Lannisters and Tyrells in no time.
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The Clegane storyline was so predictable and by the numbers, from the moment he showed up with the axe I knew where it was going. Yet it was missing the essential character exploration that would have made the story arc worthwhile. How Clegane was feeling, how he had grown to like his new life, what inspired him to try and change his ways and settle down. You could argue it's all there…somewhere...but three scenes is literally not enough to make me invested.
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If the cleganebowl happens, I hope that the mountain wins, sick bastards.
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Why the high sparrow is suddenly interested on getting an heir on Marjorie? And it went from "average westeros sexist" to ... this.
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I like how happy and content the peasants building the Sept were.
Then Lem Lemoncloak saw how happy they were and figured that there was no room for happiness in the Riverlands.
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Why the high sparrow is suddenly interested on getting an heir on Marjorie? And it went from "average westeros sexist" to … this.
That is average Westerosi sexist.
Wives have a duty to conceive and bear children. Highborn wives especially.
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I mean, if the show was somewhat subtle, and it didn't followed with the comment of "your grandma is too strong for being a woman" I'd think that the hipotethical heir was a political move, but it feels like a "go back to the kitchen" and nothing else.
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@Cyan:
That is average Westerosi sexist.
Wives have a duty to conceive and bear children. Highborn wives especially.
That's the point, if the high sparrow is interested on keeping control on the monarchy, the last thing he needs is to make tonmen expendable, and if he wants it gone, then he doesn't want nor care about more heirs.
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That's the point, if the high sparrow is interested on keeping control on the monarchy, the last thing he needs is to make tonmen expendable, and if he wants it gone, then he doesn't want nor care about more heirs.
The catalyst of Tommen's conversion was the implicit promise that he and Marge would be free to fuck like rabbits, Marge holding out like she is will fray HS's hold on Tommen.
Plus, free heir to indoctrinate from the get-go.
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Lyanna Mormont should be elected president in november.
