With the #1 team in the country being dropped two weeks in a row (Alabama, Ohio State) as well as many other thought to be contenders getting dropped (Nebraska, South Carolina) how is the top 10 landscape in College football looking in your opinion?
Is Oregon locked in at the #1 spot now? Or is it possible Boise could jump them? What about TCU? Will either of the non-bcs teams have a shot at the title? (Boise, TCU) Or will Oklahoma jump both of them and result in a Oregon-Oklahoma title game?
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I would have to put Oregon at 1 and Oklahoma at 2 at this point.
Though, to be honest, I still think Alabama is the best team in the country, despite their loss. It's college football, and any given Saturday, someone can go down.
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No love for Boise and TCU captain?
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I just can't agree with Boise or TCU getting into the title game when they only have to really bring their "A game" against one or two teams all year.
They might have the talent, but they aren't out there playing good teams week in and week out. If we had a playoff and they got to the final, I'm fine with that. But your resume has to count for something in this system.
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I don't agree with most people's criticisms of Boise St and TCU. Everyone always points to strength of schedule. Because of their respective conferences not being that great, both of those school's strength of schedule takes a hit. It's out of Boise's control that the WAC is terrible. They are one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the country, and shouldn't be penalized because they're stuck with conference games against crappy teams like San Jose St and New Mexico St. If they win out they should be in the title game.
The rest of the season will probably shake out in Boise's favor also. LSU and Auburn play each other next week, so one of those two will drop out of the discussion, and both of those schools have a game with Alabama left also, so those 3 could potentially kill each others chances off. Whichever of those three finishes on top of the SEC West would still have to make it through the SEC championship game too.
Oklahoma has a tricky matchup at Missouri next week, then the last game of the regular season on the road against Oklahoma St. If Oklahoma and Oklahoma St both win out, then the winner would go to the Big 12 championship game against a team like Nebraska or Mizzou, and the loser would be out of any national championship discussion.
Oregon has a pretty smooth schedule remaining, the only real threats being USC and Arizona.
I think Oklahoma, Auburn, LSU, and Alabama all lose once (or twice in Alabama's case), so my best guess at this point is that the season ends with Oregon and Boise St 1 and 2. One huge monkey wrench in the whole works that I see is Michigan St. They're undefeated and have a really soft schedule remaining. They don't have to play Ohio St this year and they already beat Wisconsin and Michigan. If they get past Iowa then they could make a run at the top 2 spots if the other teams from the bigger conferences in front of them lose. I'm really pulling for Boise St though. I've seen almost every game the teams in the top 10 have played this year and I really feel that Boise are one of the top 2 teams in the country. If they win out they deserve the spot in the title game
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My thoughts? It's pure apocalypse out there right now. I don't see anyone escaping the SEC with less than two losses, Oregon's defense is easily flammable, Oklahoma always has Bob Stoops laying gigantic, massive eggs in big games, and Iowa will beat Michigan State.
My wish? Boise State - winner of TCU/Utah. My guess? Oregon - winner of TCU/Utah.
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I went to USC, so I'm pretty sure I've been barred in some way from commenting on the next two seasons.
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Boise is honestly pretty damn unlucky. The WAC is abysmal, and I know they can't really help that. But they were proactive by making a move to the MWC. And then that conference lost a lot of strength with the loses of BYU and Utah.
But anyway, how do you guys think your school is going to finish up the season? I'm a WVU fan, and I'm going to be pissed if the Big East isn't just completely styled on by Geno Smith, Noel Devine, Jock Sanders, Tavon Austin, and our defense, which has just erupted this season. I'd love to get Va. Tech in the Orange Bowl, and put the Black Diamond Trophy back on the line. Damn, I miss that rivalry.
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I'm a Michigan fan, so as long as they beat Ohio State I'll be happy. I'm already looking ahead to next season actually. Denard Robinson has been a revelation, and if the defense can tighten up they could make a run at the Big Ten title next year
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Alright guys, looks like its my turn to reveal my agenda as well.
I…attend TCU!
I'm a sophomore here, so I'm obviously pulling for TCU hard, but I really think we have one game left that could leap us over Boise, at least in the computer rankings- Utah.
They're a top 10 team that has been very good lately, I don't know if that will be enough to put us over Boise in the other polls though. However, I would argue strongly that A) Boise didn't beat us by but a touchdown in the Fiesta Bowl, and looking at the actually game, it was one we should have won, we beat ourselves. We also beat Boise the previous year.So what am I hoping for?
For that mess in the SEC to hand all of the teams at least one loss, and allow a TCU-Oregon championship game.
What do I think will happen? Again, a TCU-Oregon game, the only question mark in my mind is how much a Utah game win will help us.I honestly don't think that its not that unlikely that the SEC teams will all end up with one loss as one of you explained, I'm just hoping that a win over Utah, will really get us enough points with voters to jump Boise.
The only problem? Boise beat Oregon State by a larger margin than we did.
BUT we played them our first game of the season, in my defense, and beat them by 8 or 9 points I believe it was, a Oregon State team that has turned out to do quiet well for the most part, and Boise barely beat a HORRIBLE VT that lost to James maddison on their home field I believe, on their home turf.
Had TCU played Oregon State mid-season, I think we would have done much better.Am I pulling for my school a bit too much regarding the TCU-is-better-than-Boise-argument, or do I have a point?
Thoughts?As you can tell, I love my frogs :wub:
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Yeah, you are being blinded a bit by loyalty to your school. Is TCU a good team? Absolutely. Are they better than Boise? In my opinion no. Are they better than Utah? That's a toss up in my eyes. If they do beat Utah it will most definitely be a boost to their chances, but it will take a Boise St. loss for TCU to jump them, and Nevada and Hawaii are the only legit threats Boise has left and I see them getting by both with relative ease.
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Well, I'm an Illinois fan, and going 6-6 this year is the most I can really hope for.
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Yeah, you are being blinded a bit by loyalty to your school. Is TCU a good team? Absolutely. Are they better than Boise? In my opinion no. Are they better than Utah? That's a toss up in my eyes. If they do beat Utah it will most definitely be a boost to their chances, but it will take a Boise St. loss for TCU to jump them, and Nevada and Hawaii are the only legit threats Boise has left and I see them getting by both with relative ease.
Undefeated winner of TCU/Utah > Undefeated Boise St if only because the added boost of beating an undefeated team in the BCS polls can only help you in the coaches poll and in computer rankings.
I mean, you're comparing TCU/Utah to Virginia Tech at that point. While VT is a pretty good team that had a horrible week, they'd get beat down by either one of those teams.
But seriously, this is 2007 all over again. If the three remaining contenders from the SEC West don't escape conference play unscathed, then that opens up a bunch of possibilities.
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I don't care who is Number 1, as long as it isn't the Sooners. I hate them with a deep passion that can't even be put into words, and I was born and raised in Oklahoma. I really home my cowboys beat them at Bedlam this year, and shut up the Majority of my family!
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I really hope my cowboys beat them at Bedlam this year, and shut up the Majority of my family!
=o! Another Oklahoma State fan?!?! Awesome. I'm the only Cowboy fan in a family of Sooners. I really want an undefeated bedlam this year, but looking at the next 4 weeks for Oklahoma State it's going to be tough. Even if Oklahoma State beats Nebraska they have to follow it up with potential trap games at Kansas State and vs. Baylor before they go down to Texas. I'd be happy if they only lost one of those so that the Cowboys would still be able to win the Big 12 South against Oklahoma at Bedlam. I think Oklahoma State should be an elite team, except they don't play with any consistency. It'll be interesting to see how they play against good teams in back to back weeks seeing as they've had interesting halves against teams they should have been far superior to.
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Undefeated winner of TCU/Utah > Undefeated Boise St if only because the added boost of beating an undefeated team in the BCS polls can only help you in the coaches poll and in computer rankings.
I mean, you're comparing TCU/Utah to Virginia Tech at that point. While VT is a pretty good team that had a horrible week, they'd get beat down by either one of those teams.
Agreed, even though I know I'll be targeted for a bias from this point on. But I just don't see how or why a undefeated Boise would be better than an undefeated TCU that has played a tougher schedule and beaten a top 10 undefeated team AT their home stadium.
Virginia Tech has proven they're not much to get excited about beating this year, especially when you only beat them by what was it? 3 points? At your home stadium.
I firmly believe TCU is better than Boise, I think if you watch both teams over last year and this year so far, its apparent, but people only see the W for Boise in the Fiesta and the L for TCU.
Year in and year out though, TCU has played a tougher schedule, period.
Yeah maybe TCU doesn't play as tough of a schedule as some of the SEC teams do, but its still in the same ballpark with the Mountain West consisting of Utah, BYU (crashed and burned this year), and AirForce always being good.But the WAC?
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I rather have a playoff with the top 16 team in the country at the end of the season.
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I hate Oklahoma State's offense. It puts up huge points against bad teams, making everybody think it's the best thing ever, but then it stalls against talented teams and leaves our defense on the field for the majority of the game.
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Agreed, even though I know I'll be targeted for a bias from this point on. But I just don't see how or why a undefeated Boise would be better than an undefeated TCU
I've watched both teams this season and I think that Boise St is a better team than TCU, so I'll play devil's advocate and retort
Virginia Tech has proven they're not much to get excited about beating this year, especially when you only beat them by what was it? 3 points? At your home stadium.
The game against Virginia Tech was not a home game for Boise, it was at a "neutral site" in Maryland, which wasn't very neutral for Boise St considering Blacksburg is a 5 hour drive from that site and Boise is 2,300 miles away. Also, Virginia Tech was a top 10 team when that game went down and is still a top 25 team, so it's still a good win for Boise. TCU beating Utah will be a big win for them, but only if that's the only loss Utah has this year. Otherwise it won't count for any more than Boise's win over VT
people only see the W for Boise in the Fiesta and the L for TCU.
Year in and year out though,I could care less what kind of schedule TCU has played over the last few years, or that Boise beat them in the Fiesta Bowl last year. I'm only looking at this season's body of work. What the teams have done over the last few seasons doesn't matter anymore in my opinion.
TCU has played a tougher schedule, period.
Yeah maybe TCU doesn't play as tough of a schedule as some of the SEC teams do, but its still in the same ballpark with the Mountain West consisting of Utah, BYU (crashed and burned this year), and AirForce always being good.But the WAC?
Give me a break.How can you knock the WAC like the Mountain West is worth a shit this year? They're not. In fact, they suck out loud. And the conference schedules of an SEC team compared with that of a Mountain West team is not even close to the same ballpark. They're worlds different. TCU's strength of schedule is helped massively by the Mountain West being decent the last few years, but if you look at the 2010 schedules for both TCU and Boise St, they're not much different quality-wise. In fact, the preseason strength of schedule rankings I saw had Boise's as slightly tougher than TCU's
TCU
W Oregon St (3-3)
W Tennessee Tech (4-4)
W Baylor (6-2)
W SMU (4-4)
W CSU (2-6)
W Wyoming (2-6)
W BYU (3-5)
W Air Force (5-3)
UNLV (1-6)
Utah (7-0)
SDSU (4-2)
New Mexico (0-6)Boise St
W VT (6-2)
W Wyoming (2-6)
W Oregon St (3-3)
W New Mexico St (1-6)
W Toledo (5-3)
W SJSU (1-7)
La Tech (3-4)
Hawaii (6-2)
Idaho (4-3)
Fresno St (5-2)
Nevada (6-1)
Utah St (2-5)If they both finish the season undefeated, then TCU finishes with quality wins over Utah, Baylor, Air Force, and maybe SDSU depending how they finish the season. Boise St would have quality wins over VT, Hawaii, Nevada, and maybe Fresno St if they finish strong. They had two common opponents, Oregon St and Wyoming, that they both beat. Both beat Wyoming by 45 points, and Boise beat Oregon St by only a few more points than TCU did, so that point of comparison is a wash. TCU's Mountain West schedule only has them facing 3 teams with winning records, and only one would have been ranked when they played (Utah). Not much better, if at all, than Boise's WAC schedule. So, if TCU's schedule is tougher, it's really only because of Utah, and because Baylor is playing way over their heads this season.
If Nevada wins all their games until they play Boise then they should be ranked again. If so, then Boise will have played 3 top 25 teams while TCU would only have played 2, and both teams would have played and beaten 1 top 10 team.
Pretty even if you ask me. I think most of the voters think Boise is the better of the two, so I just don't see TCU jumping them. I still think when all is said and done it will end up being Oregon and Boise St. But after today's games, I'm beginning to think Auburn may win out and play Oregon
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Baylor is #1 in the Big 12 South. How that hell..what?
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Several conferences are like that; if I'm not mistaken, Vanderbilt is not entirely eliminated from the SEC East race.
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I don't care who is Number 1, as long as it isn't the Sooners. I hate them with a deep passion that can't even be put into words, and I was born and raised in Oklahoma. I really home my cowboys beat them at Bedlam this year, and shut up the Majority of my family!
I was gonna ask why you hated OU….and then you said you were going for OSU.
Lol. OU for life.
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I hate OU. I will cheer for anybody but OU. I am from Oklahoma and I cheer for Texas when they play. All the stupid sooner fans tell me "well I cheer for OSU when they aren't playing OU" and I tell them that is nice of them, but I would rather die than cheer for OU.
It just seems to me that the majority of the fan base are stupid and could never make up their own minds without the media telling them to do so.
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I hate OU. I will cheer for anybody but OU.
Honestly I think OU losing to A&M will make them play harder against OSU, but I'm having a hard time not laughing at them with the way they're playing right now. First snap of the game was through the QBs hand out of the back of the endzone, followed by A&M driving right down the field to go up 9-0, and then they get stopped inside of the 10 yard line about 8 times after A&M kept on committing multiple penalties.
It'll be interesting to see where TCU ends up next week after a huge blowout against Utah @ Utah. I'm also curious about how far Bama will fall after losing to LSU.
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So, tonight's rumor mill is that TCU to the Big East is a done deal.
As a fan of a Big East school, I love it on the grounds of that whole "TCU not being terrible" thing. While the conference as a whole is god awful this year, WVU and Pitt are traditionally good programs, and Syracuse appears to be back on the rise. TCU joining up gives the conference a really good top.
On that note, lol Boise and it's plan of joining the Mountain West if TCU becomes the next team to jump ship.
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Even if TCU jumps, the Mountain West that Boise would be joining would be better than the WAC they are/would be in. Especially with Hawaii now signing on and the inevitable addition of a 12th member to allow for two divisions and an end of season championship game. Honestly, I think TCU stays put, Houston is added from C-USA to be the 12th team, and the Mountain West is set, making BYU's choice to become an independent even more stupid than it initially was
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I'll be pulling for Oklahoma and Nebraska this week, because I wanna see them play each other in the last Big 12 championship game, plus it'll rekindle their rivalry one more time.
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Pic related, it's Boise's kicker:
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that game was so incredible. i've never said "holy shit" so many times in a row.
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Bumping for bowl season.
Predictions for the title? I'm feeling that Auburn is going to ball outrageous.
Also, hooray for my offense no longer being run by a dumbfuck. Welcome to WVU, Coach Holgorsen.
