Chapter 600: "The Island of Restarting" Discussion
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Ewww. Sea. The imagery. Please!
I… would rather not think about BB's belly any more than absolutely necessary, thank you. (:sick:shudder)
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Any scene with Blackbeard is awesome, even scenes where BB is owned
Case in point: Magellan poisons Blackbeard, Whitebeard airquake punches Blackbeard, Ace trespasses Blackbeard in the heart and in the right lungsI want to see someone scaring Blackbeard's eye, maybe Shanks, so that we can have him with a Eyepatch :wub:
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@I:
Ewww. Sea. The imagery. Please!
I… would rather not think about BB's belly any more than absolutely necessary, thank you. (:sick:shudder)
BB's Belly is similar to his Signature Move "Kurozu"
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BB's Belly is similar to his Signature Move "Kurozu"
I just had to look at that picture :sick:
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@Mad:
I just had to look at that picture :sick:
you Got litteraly Sucked into Darkness.
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BB's Belly is similar to his Signature Move "Kurozu"
Anyway. I'm all for some BB owning and eye patch.
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lol kurohige XDDD those eyes suit him haha XD
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Boy, can't wait until the next chapter.
This time Luffy's gonna own Fluffy for real this time.
I'm talking about "being sent flying into space" ownage. -
for me it was a nice chapter
nothing great or awesomeChopper realy grow..
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holy manga
!! my friends think comics are for kids, but they watch etch-a-sketch telebision. the cucumber remix made lots more fun, thx.
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so who thinks BB's the new yonkou and akainu's the new fleet admiral
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so who thinks BB's the new yonkou and akainu's the new fleet admiral
BB's had two years to prepare and has a crew of Shichibukai-class criminals, so I wouldn't be surprised. If he's powered up just as much as Luffy has (and really, it's unthinkable that he hasn't. The difference between him and Luffy is probably the only thing that's remained static over the timeskip; then, Luffy will be the only one powering up again over the course of the adventure through the new world, until he can finally take down Blackbeard at his current strength), he's certainly Yonkou class, considering how strong he was before. I don't see an unnamed character becoming a yonkou (though I can totally see an unnamed character becoming a shichibukai), but it's also possible that even over these two years, the spot has remained unfilled, or even that Marco has been clinging desperately to the position thanks to Whitebeard's crew's family-class loyalty.
Akainu is the most likely to be fleet admiral only because of the switch of the marineford base, and because we haven't seen him outside of Marineford, so he seems most likely to be a "stay at the base and act like a near-final boss character", whereas Aokiji and Kizaru have been seen fighting the straw hats outside of marineford, which just doesn't sound like something a fleet admiral would do (yes, I understand fully that in the real world, this would mean nothing, because they could stop venturing off once they BECAME the fleet admiral, but I'm speaking from the position of character development by Oda, not of their personalities getting in the way of them actually acquiring the position).
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BB's had two years to prepare and has a crew of Shichibukai-class criminals, so I wouldn't be surprised. If he's powered up just as much as Luffy has (and really, it's unthinkable that he hasn't. The difference between him and Luffy is probably the only thing that's remained static over the timeskip; then, Luffy will be the only one powering up again over the course of the adventure through the new world, until he can finally take down Blackbeard at his current strength), he's certainly Yonkou class, considering how strong he was before. I don't see an unnamed character becoming a yonkou (though I can totally see an unnamed character becoming a shichibukai), but it's also possible that even over these two years, the spot has remained unfilled, or even that Marco has been clinging desperately to the position thanks to Whitebeard's crew's family-class loyalty.
hmmm…. let's not forget about other aspects of of monarchy, like- big crew or aliances are most likely, also territories are needed, or else, as I see, you are considered just a pirate. Not everything comes down to strength. You need power to argue with Goverment.
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hmmm…. let's not forget about other aspects of of monarchy, like- big crew or aliances are most likely, also territories are needed, or else, as I see, you are considered just a pirate. Not everything comes down to strength. You need power to argue with Goverment.
Right, the entire point that I had is that he has had two years to prepare. He can make earthquakes wherever he wants, and he has his gravity/fruit-nullifying powers. It sounds like Whitebeard had the largest amount of territory of the new world, so even if Blackbeard only managed to acquire like… half of it, before the other yonkou or some straggler New World crews got the rest, that would still probably be enough for him to declare himself one of the Yonkou. Marco is the only one I can think of that would truly get in the way of this, so that's why I offered the alternative of him inheriting whitebeard's title.
It doesn't seem like Shanks' crew is extraordinarily large, nothing nearly like Whitebeard's, anyway, so I think BB can pull off being a Shanks-style Yonkou, having a small, ridiculously powerful crew.
After all, Luffy will be the Pirate King, and we know that HE doesn't intend to get an enormous crew. The Pirate King is also considered a huge power against the WG, moreso than the yonkou.
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so who thinks BB's the new yonkou and akainu's the new fleet admiral
Me
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See sig for proofYou are a BlackBeard Maniac !!
Sure he is Strong but not a Yonko level, a Yonko should be able to defeat an admiral. thought his Crew is Super strong so that gives high chances. -
You are a BlackBeard Maniac !!
Sure he is Strong but not a Yonko level, a Yonko should be able to defeat an admiral. thought his Crew is Super strong so that gives high chances.it's been two years now there's a new yonkou so who else could it be
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it's been two years now there's a new yonkou so who else could it be
And Just Where was it said that there is a new Yonkou ?
The Whitebeard Pirates are still there thought. -
And Just Where was it said that there is a new Yonkou ?
The Whitebeard Pirates are still there thought.http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/35970330/10
but good point about the WB pirates I didn't think about that, but still my moneys on BB being the new yonkou
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I doubt the Whitebeard Pirates are really able to hold a seat as a Yonkou on their own though. I mean, in just about every case we've seen, the Captain of a Pirate Crew is significantly stronger than the rest of the crew. Do any of Whitebeard's commanders really strike you as being capable of being on Whitebeard's level? Cause they don't me.
Actually, I think the only thing that made the Whitebeard Pirates so fearsome was Whitebeard himself and the pure number of pirates and allies they had. Without Whitebeard, that all falls apart I think.
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http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/35970330/10
but good point about the WB pirates I didn't think about that, but still my moneys on BB being the new yonkou
Wow ! I overloocked that, Thanks !
And yes there is still a chance that the WB pirates are still considered Yonku and the Other yonkou havn't Dared yet to Attack Them, Possibly Because Their Allies are always Around them or They Have Powerd up after Feeling "Defeat" and "Inability to Protect" -
And why do they even need new yonkou? Can't there be three of them, called yonkou just because renaming is hard to get used to.
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And why do they even need new yonkou? Can't there be three of them, called yonkou just because renaming is hard to get used to.
I think in one of the recent chapters they were still referred to as the four of them, I can be mistaken, but officially I think there is four.
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I'm excited to see the crews reaction when the see luffy…
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And Just Where was it said that there is a new Yonkou ?
The Whitebeard Pirates are still there thought.Yeah, being led by Marco. At ths point, they either disbanded on their own, or dead or scattered.
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Yeah, being led by Marco. At ths point, they either disbanded on their own, or dead or scattered.
No way they Would Disband, that mean They Throwing All WB Hard work on founding a Family.
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@S.C.:
Yeah, being led by Marco. At ths point, they either disbanded on their own, or dead or scattered.
Or they are now a band of perverts, because you know Marco. His eyes show his true nature. :ninja:
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Until it's stated otherwise I presume the Whitebeard pirates are still one of the 'four emperors' crews- Albeit they have probabaly jumped from being the strongest crew to the weakest one.
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And why do they even need new yonkou? Can't there be three of them, called yonkou just because renaming is hard to get used to.
Well remember that the word for Japanese people probably isn't just a name or idiomatic phrase that has lost it's literal meaning. Most likely it means specifically "four (emperors)," because "Yon" means four. Changing to "three (emperors)" would make sense to them, ("san" being three). Keeping the name wouldn't make any more sense than doing it in your native tongue would, you know? I could be wrong, and Aohige or someone can correct me if so, but I think if they say "the four emperors," that means there are still four–or at least still four powers, if not specifically four people–if WB's crew is still in control of his territories that is.
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No such thing as "four emperors" crews, Maki
There are 4 emperors, singular emperors, that's all there is to itIf someone like Marco took the helm and became the new Younkou, that's a possibility.
But personally, I don't believe it, Oda, through Jimbei, foreshadowed what was gonna happen if the owner of all those territories died, and I'm sure we'l start seeing a huge chaos fairly soon when the SH's finally arrive Fishmen's Island
It would be stupid if the territories simply went to Marco, no chaos at all, no consequence at allNow imagine what would happen if Blackbeard was the one to dominate some of those territories
Wrap your head around that
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i'm really hoping zoro attacks luffy when they see each other, so that zoro knows that luffy is strong enuf to carry them to the new world
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No such thing as "four emperors" crews, Maki
There are 4 emperors, singular emperors, that's all there is to itIf someone like Marco took the helm and became the new Younkou, that's a possibility.
But personally, I don't believe it, Oda, through Jimbei, foreshadowed what was gonna happen if the owner of all those territories died, and I'm sure we'l start seeing a huge chaos fairly soon when the SH's finally arrive Fishmen's Island
It would be stupid if the territories simply went to Marco, no chaos at all, no consequence at allNow imagine what would happen if Blackbeard was the one to dominate some of those territories
Wrap your head around that
Okay, I will admit I forgot about Jimbei's foreshadowing.
I'm still not sure about the need to make BB a yonkou though.
First is his crew. Is his crew going to expand into a small army like the other emperors are in order to conquer islands?Are the SH crew going to battle subordinate crews of BB crew in future arcs? If it does then that would seem to ruin the parallel of the 2 crews, of them both being extremely small but powerful crews.
The second is the role of the Whitebeard pirates in the story. If BB has become an emperor instead of Marco then i'm not sure how the WB pirates will fit into the story in the future. I think it is workable of them being a 'good guy' struggling force trying hard to protect all the islands under thier protection since pirates are no longer as afraid of them rather than, say, allies that show up simply to help Luffy at some point.
But I do take your points, so I'll reserve judgement until it is stated either way.
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Marco is sure capable to lead remaining Whitebeard pirates and becoming a yonkou. Also there are only 2 candidates ( marco and blackbeard ) for the vacant yonkou position. Blackbeard sure on the lead but there is some kind of ''order'' between the emperors and as you all know Blackbeard represents ''chaos'' so maybe he wont take the position.
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I'm still not sure about the need to make BB a yonkou though.
There's no need, it is a possibility
First is his crew. Is his crew going to expand into a small army like the other emperors are in order to conquer islands?
Well, I am guessing that Whitebeard relies on his 15 divisions to stay with him and capture Islands, while relying on his allies to keep them with the help of his name.
I don't see why Blackbeard wouldn't have any allies either, why not have a lot of Evil Pirates protecting a small Island, being rewarded with riches and relation with Blackbeard's reputation, and, assuming they believe he's gonna be the next PK, a small part of the huge assumed treasure?Are the SH crew going to battle subordinate crews of BB crew in future arcs? If it does then that would seem to ruin the parallel of the 2 crews, of them both being extremely small but powerful crews.
The main crew of Blackbeard will remain small, consider it like Whitebeard, which has 15 divisions (his crew) and a lot of New World allies (his allies)
The second is the role of the Whitebeard pirates in the story. If BB has become an emperor instead of Marco then i'm not sure how the WB pirates will fit into the story in the future. I think it is workable of them being a 'good guy' struggling force trying hard to protect all the islands under thier protection since pirates are no longer as afraid of them rather than, say, allies that show up simply to help Luffy at some point.
This is a mere prediction, but, considering Oda is foreshadowing chaos, I see the WB Pirates as a last stand of Whitebeard, not struggling to defend their territories, but struggling to slowly try to regain the lost dominance of Whitebeard
But I do take your points, so I'll reserve judgement until it is stated either way.
There are some possibilities, Blackbeard isn't a safe bet, I just think Blackbeard fits the future Jimbei foreshadowed far better than Marco or Joz
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I think in one of the recent chapters they were still referred to as the four of them, I can be mistaken, but officially I think there is four.
While I generally agree with I Survived The Buster Call on the assessment of them being referred to as "Yonkou" implying that there are still four of them, since to the Japanese it is not "just a name", YOU are simply incorrect. Mangastream chooses to literally translate "Yonkou" as "Four Emperors", so in chapter 598 or 599, the barkeeper told Nami something about "The Four Emperors", which is what you're thinking of, whereas in the Japanese version it just said "Yonkou". So it's still technically ambiguous, and you really shouldn't say these kinds of irresponsible things.
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I don't see why Blackbeard wouldn't have any allies either, why not have a lot of Evil Pirates protecting a small Island, being rewarded with riches and relation with Blackbeard's reputation, and, assuming they believe he's gonna be the next PK, a small part of the huge assumed treasure?
Hmm, this does get me thinking. It could work that BB has followers just like Luffy has allies to give thier eventual battle a feeling of the two major pirate forces fighting to be the best.
Also, now I'm thinking since it has been foreshadowed that BB will take out Shanks(with his "too early for our battle to happen" quote) it would make a bit more sense if he showed up with a force rather than just his own crew.
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Its not a "name", per say, he's literally calling them "The Four Emperors", we just leave it untranslated, just like the Seven Warlords and, say, the Five Eldery Stars
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Hmm, this does get me thinking. It could work that BB has followers just like Luffy has allies to give thier eventual battle a feeling of the two major pirate forces fighting to be the best.
Also, now I'm thinking since it has been foreshadowed that BB will take out Shanks(with his "too early for our battle to happen" quote) it would make a bit more sense if he showed up with a force rather than just his own crew.
Hmm possibly.I have a small prediction that Blackbeard is gonna be the one killing Shanks (another even smaller prediction: Shanks is the one to scar one of Blackbeard's eyes, before dying) and that Luffy is gonna be the new guy entering in place of Shanks
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Its not a "name", per say, he's literally calling them "The Four Emperors", we just leave it untranslated, just like the Seven Warlords and, say, the Five Eldery Stars
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I have a small prediction that Blackbeard is gonna be the one killing Shanks (another even smaller prediction: Shanks is the one to scar one of Blackbeard's eyes, before dying) and that Luffy is gonna be the new guy entering in place of Shanks
Unless it is confirmed that Gol D. Roger was called as part of the yonkou before he reached Raftel and was named Pirate King (it was a new era for pirates to even be exploring the grand line; there was probably no such title as yonkou), I strongly do not believe that the last part will happen.
However, I am admittedly pleased at how Luffy and Blackbeard seem to be household names now, just like Roger and Whitebeard seemed to be super well-known even before Roger reached Raftel.
Edit: I know that Whitebeard was never evil, so the comparison I am making is not very fair, however, I see analogs in them in that a) Blackbeard seems to be Luffy's final rival as a pirate, and b) Blackbeard does not seem incredibly invested in Raftel, whereas Luffy is, just as Whitebeard never wanted to reach Raftel even though people thought that he did (just as people probably think every pirate does nowadays)
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Okay, I will admit I forgot about Jimbei's foreshadowing.
I'm still not sure about the need to make BB a yonkou though.
First is his crew. Is his crew going to expand into a small army like the other emperors are in order to conquer islands?Are the SH crew going to battle subordinate crews of BB crew in future arcs? If it does then that would seem to ruin the parallel of the 2 crews, of them both being extremely small but powerful crews.Well, Shanks's crew doesn't really seem that huge, maybe a couple dozen people. But, since Shanks comes off as a lot more nicer then Whitebeard did, he too probably has a bunch of allies, maybe even more then Whitebeard did. If Blackbeard becomes a Yonkou, with his sleazy seemingly charm and infamy, instead of fighting Division Commanders, the Straw Hats will fight more Doma and Makugai types.
The second is the role of the Whitebeard pirates in the story. If BB has become an emperor instead of Marco then i'm not sure how the WB pirates will fit into the story in the future. I think it is workable of them being a 'good guy' struggling force trying hard to protect all the islands under thier protection since pirates are no longer as afraid of them rather than, say, allies that show up simply to help Luffy at some point.
But I do take your points, so I'll reserve judgement until it is stated either way.I've said this before, but again if BB wins, they'll have much less manpower, divided and overall destroyed. Marco becomes an ally of Shanks, Jozu…..becomes a Shichibukai, I have no idea, Vista goes with Shanks, some like the Pocket Chin Guy & Jack Sparrow become their own captains, others either join Blackbeard or Kaidou/Big Momma and people like the fat guy with the Lance and the tranny Geisha are dead. Ditto with the allies with Doma and Makugai alive and people like the Walrusman or the Beartrap jaw guy dead. We'll still see the more important ones, but no longer altogether.
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While I generally agree with I Survived The Buster Call on the assessment of them being referred to as "Yonkou" implying that there are still four of them, since to the Japanese it is not "just a name", YOU are simply incorrect. Mangastream chooses to literally translate "Yonkou" as "Four Emperors", so in chapter 598 or 599, the barkeeper told Nami something about "The Four Emperors", which is what you're thinking of, whereas in the Japanese version it just said "Yonkou". So it's still technically ambiguous, and you really shouldn't say these kinds of irresponsible things.
LOL I realize you are directing this at FrankyCentaur, but can you translate "Yonkou" more specifically, or is it really too vague? Does it have any specific meaning beyond the "yon = four" part?
Marco is sure capable to lead remaining Whitebeard pirates and becoming a yonkou. Also there are only 2 candidates ( marco and blackbeard ) for the vacant yonkou position. Blackbeard sure on the lead but there is some kind of ''order'' between the emperors and as you all know Blackbeard represents ''chaos'' so maybe he wont take the position.
And to be picky, but it is an important disinction, "Yonkou" is not a "position" to be taken. It's a manufactured title (like King of Pop, or Diva in our world) that is used to describe the pirates who were the most powerful and influencial at the time. That's why it can be changed to three, or five, if circumstances change. Moreover, the pirates referred to as "Yonkou" do not choose to use that title, it's the creators of the term who do so, after the given pirates more or less earn it through thier actions and influence. It's different from "the Royal Shichibukai," because that was a position created to balance power with the specific intent of always maintaining the number at 7, so that when there are vacancies, replacements are sought. See the difference?
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We have already been shown how strong a fisherman can be. The SH really needs an addition to the "strong three".
They are going in to the NW after all, and they need to pick up a new member on their way… and the only place this would happen is in Fishman Island.Or a new member for the weak trio, 'cause Ussop kick ass.
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Or a new member for the weak trio, 'cause Ussop kick ass.
But Oda said Usopp will be the weakest, so even if he's kickass now, that just means Nami's weather powers and Chopper's transformation have improved that much as well.
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LOL I realize you are directing this at FrankyCentaur, but can you translate "Yonkou" more specifically, or is it really too vague? Does it have any specific meaning beyond the "yon = four" part?
Lol, sorry, I realize my post was worded badly, but rather than "they translated it in an overly literal way", all I meant was "they choose to always say the actual translation of what the characters are saying, rather than treating yonkou like a 'name' the way a lot of the fandom does". Sorry for the confusion ^_^;
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i wish shanks wouldnt die …....... :O i think he is too smart for BB to kill (he is my fav char i dont wanna see him die is more likely ) and i think yonkou is a position only the most highly dangerous and influential pirates are given ... and BB would surely be a yonkou whth his power ...
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I am assuming as an Emperor and someone who has territories, Shanks would be able to call on a greater force than his immediate crew. Even his immediate crew seems large. Do you remember the time Mihawk met with Shanks? There were quite a few people on that island. (obviously not as big as WB), but still pretty big. So if it is Shanks and allies vs BB and allies, Shanks will have the advantage.
But who cares about Shanks' allies. In the long term, it is Luffy's allies that will be important. Oda hinted through WB during the war, the end of one piece will be Luffy and allies vs. some other really badass force. For that battle, Luffy's charisma will be important.
At the moment, Luffy can probably get support from the crew's home towns in East Blue, Arabasta, Giants on Little Garden, Drum, Skypeia, Water 7 (important location to damage ship supply to marines), Amazon Lily. And it is kind of obvious that the SHs will rock Fishman Island.
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At the moment, Luffy can probably get support from the crew's home towns in East Blue, Arabasta, Giants on Little Garden, Drum, Skypeia, Water 7 (important location to damage ship supply to marines), Amazon Lily. And it is kind of obvious that the SHs will rock Fishman Island.
You think Dorry and Brogy will stop fighting to join the war? They don't even read newspapers, though I guess they might hear about it from some pirates. "Luffy, a rubberman with a straw hat! He's waging a HUGE war against the World Government, and I may be new to the grand line, but I want to be there to see it! Do you think i'd be able to find the log pose of a crew that was wiped out on this island?"
"Ooh, instead of that, for telling us, how about we join you guys on the way there! Gebababa!"
"Yeah, fighting alongside that funny kid for the sake of the future sounds just as honorable as fighting with each other, eh? Gegyagyagya!" -
Holy fucking shit.
Holy FUCKING SHIT.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!
There's just 5 of 'em together at this point and they already had me rolling on the floor. I cannot wait OMIGOD HOW I CANNOT WAIT FOR ALL OF THEM TO BE BACK TOGETHER AND INTERACTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
