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    • SGRaaize
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      Military bases across the U.S. have banned the sale of a new video game that lets a player pretend to be a Taliban fighter and "shoot" U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

      "Medal of Honor" by Electronic Arts, a major game developer based in Redwood City, Calif., hits stores Oct. 12. Gamers are scoffing at the decision, saying that advanced technology has made it commonplace in the gaming world to let players switch sides and play the bad guy.

      After public protests, including by British Defense Secretary Liam Fox, U.S. military officials decided not to stock the game in any of the nearly 300 base exchange shops.

      The game also won't be sold at any of the 49 GameStop stores located on various military bases. Troops will be allowed to own copies, but they would have to buy them off-base.

      "We regret any inconvenience this may cause authorized shoppers, but are optimistic that they will understand the sensitivity to the life-and-death scenarios this product presents as entertainment," said Maj. Gen. Bruce Casella, who commands the Army & Air Force Exchange Service, which oversees more than 180 base exchange shops.

      Casella made the decision last week, with the Navy quickly following suit. Kathleen Martin, a spokeswoman for the Navy Exchange Service Command, said the game won't be sold at any of the Navy's 104 exchange shops "out of respect for the men and women serving and their families."

      Past versions of the 11-year old "Medal of Honor" game have been set in World War II, allowing players to act as either members of the Allied force or the Nazi regime.

      The latest version is set in modern Afghanistan, where some 140,000 U.S. and NATO troops are fighting the Taliban. The story is told through a small group of characters known as "Tier 1" operators, elite fighters who take their orders directly from the president and defense secretary.

      "Operating directly under the National Command Authority, a relatively unknown entity of hand-picked warriors are called on when the mission must not fail," according to an online description of the video game by Electronic Arts.

      The website does not advertise the fact that the multiplayer version allows a player to role-play as a member of the Taliban.

      One online promotion features video interviews with Special Operations personnel who the company says served as consultants to improve the authenticity of the game. The faces of the men interviewed were blurred and their names not given.

      "By me being a part of it, I at least have some say on how the community is represented," one man says.

      Britain's Fox said last month that he was "disgusted and angry" by what was a "tasteless product." Fox called on retailers to show their support for the troops by not selling it.

      "At the hands of the Taliban, children have lost fathers and wives have lost husbands," Fox said. "It's shocking that someone would think it acceptable to recreate the acts of the Taliban against British soldiers."

      Electronic Arts did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Spokeswoman Amanda Taggart was quoted last month by the Sunday Times as saying video gamers routinely play both good guys and bad guys.

      "Most of us have been doing this since we were 7: Someone plays cop, someone must be robber," the newspaper quoted her as saying.

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      "GERMANS? NO PROB
      RUSSIANS? NO PROB
      VIETNAMESE? NO PROB
      JAPANESE? NO PROB
      AMERICANS? NO, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?"

      Edit: Oh, and by the way, my complaint isn't about the fact they didn't sell the games on the military bases, but the principle of not minding War games except if they have the ability to kill USA Army

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        Yeah, while I can understand this is an open wound, I can't honestly say I don't feel that this is in some way being a poor sport. Though it's not like letting this game go wouldn't cause a complete and utter media shitstorm.

        Originally Posted by Battle Franky

        Bad move, bub!

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          Fucking ridiculous.

          I'm gonna buy this game just so I can shoot some Yankees. Does that make me a terrorist? Of course not.

          But you summed it up perfectly.

          'Killing Russians, Germans, Taliban etc is fine! But not Americans! NO WAY!'

          It was the same with the British. Which has been incorrectly stated there. It was in fact.

          British General: I don't like this! You kill British Troops
          EA: Actually they're Allied. More American.
          British: Oh that's ok then.

          Although does this mean we can have Call Of Duty banned?

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            i heard a bit about this game before. I was under the impression that it was a small company trying to get a rise our of people. I didn't know this was a long standing game with lots of earlier versions.

            thus, my initial opinion was that the game was in bad taste. now that i know there were lot of other games killing people in real historical settings, I think people are being hypocritical.

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              They need to ban the game regardless for being another generic FPS :sideways: .

              Pretty stupid still. Did they ban MW2 as well? It had the ability to shoot Americans. Not to mention the online play where one side was terrorists.

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                If they never publicized the option, everything would be honky-doory most likely. Publishers crave the attention they get from controversy.

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                  the WW games happened almost a century ago. So there is less of an uproar from the general public.

                  Its natural that people will make a fuss when its a fresh wound. But I do agree its hypocrisy.

                  @Kairouseki:

                  They need to ban the game regardless for being another generic FPS :sideways: .

                  Pretty stupid still. Did they ban MW2 as well? It had the ability to shoot Americans. Not to mention the online play where one side was terrorists.

                  and this.

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                    Good idea. Let's make all American soldiers invincible.

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                      I wouldn't even play if it I were payed. I tried the beta for the game and it just sucked. It's a big name, though, Medal of Honor, not just a niche title like some of you think it is. Still kinda sucked, though.

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                        This is retarded. End of story.

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                          Wow, seriously how the hell do you people not get it?

                          I read this story when it first came out and it made perfect sense and didn't see anyone making a big deal about it. The damn game lets you play as TALIBAN members and kill US troops. This hits home way to hard for people in the military.

                          For people complaining do you think we should have games where we can blow up the world trade centers with airplanes for fun?

                          It's not just the United States that does this anyways.

                          Besides Germany banning any games that let you kill humans, Japan bans decapitations and South Korea banned this:

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy%27s_Ghost_Recon_2

                          They didn't ban the game because US Troops die because if they did all of the Call of Duty games would be banned.

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                            @RuNa:

                            Wow, seriously how the hell do you people not get it?

                            I read this story when it first came out and it made perfect sense and didn't see anyone making a big deal about it. The damn game lets you play as TALIBAN members and kill US troops. This hits home way to hard for people in the military.

                            For people complaining do you think we should have games where we can blow up the world trade centers with airplanes for fun?

                            It's not just the United States that does this anyways.

                            Besides Germany banning any games that let you kill humans, Japan bans decapitations and South Korea banned this:

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy%27s_Ghost_Recon_2

                            They didn't ban the game because US Troops die because if they did all of the Call of Duty games would be banned.

                            I get it. But the double standard makes their point atrocious.

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                              @pyromonki:

                              I get it. But the double standard makes their point atrocious.

                              I personally don't think they should be making modern realistic war games in the first place but do YOU think people should play as Taliban members?

                              If WWII was going on right now do you think we should be playing as Nazis?

                              The military isn't just against the game for that reason.

                              Remember Six Days in Fallujah?

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Days_In_Fallujah

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                                  I love how the thread has slowly transitioned into people talking like the game is banned rather then just on military bases among the people there.

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                                    Hmmm….

                                    Banned for sale…

                                    Okay. It's...I guess it's silly. Stupid? I dunno. Childish? I think there's a hint of that.

                                    I'm gonna go ahead and have to assume the 'delay' in the decision (ie. games in the past with such a function being allowed) is just a matter of the issue finally being brought before someone in a suit.

                                    When I think 'Decision-makers' in the military I consider fuck-off wrinkly men whose concept of video games ended with Space Invaders and have more important shit to do.

                                    But some bleeding vagina probably saw a round of a game in a barrack and shat a brick and decided to make a big deal about it forcing action.

                                    Just a complete guess, no facts or knowledge of how video games are approved at bases.

                                    Anyway, if it is a matter that was clearly known about for years and has only NOW been addressed, yeah, I think there's a helping of 'stupid' along with a dash of 'retarded' in there too. I can still understand the decision based on 'morale' and whatnot.

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                                      @RuNa:

                                      Wow, seriously how the hell do you people not get it?

                                      I read this story when it first came out and it made perfect sense and didn't see anyone making a big deal about it. The damn game lets you play as TALIBAN members and kill US troops. This hits home way to hard for people in the military.

                                      For people complaining do you think we should have games where we can blow up the world trade centers with airplanes for fun?

                                      It's not just the United States that does this anyways.

                                      Besides Germany banning any games that let you kill humans, Japan bans decapitations and South Korea banned this:

                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy%27s_Ghost_Recon_2

                                      They didn't ban the game because US Troops die because if they did all of the Call of Duty games would be banned.

                                      As I edited in the first post (precisely because I was expecting a post like yours) and as pyromonki said, War games are allowed for sale, games where American Heroes kill Nazis, Japanese, Vietnamese and Russians are A-Okay
                                      But when there's the ability to kill USA Army in a Online mode if you choose to be a Taliban, shit goes down

                                      As pyromonki said, its atrocious

                                      Edit: You're absolutely wrong on the German part of your argument, games with "Nazis" are banned on Germany, regardless of if you play as them or against them, which is also in part stupid, but at least it isn't hypocritical

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                                        @RuNa:

                                        Wow, seriously how the hell do you people not get it?

                                        I read this story when it first came out and it made perfect sense and didn't see anyone making a big deal about it. The damn game lets you play as TALIBAN members and kill US troops. This hits home way to hard for people in the military.

                                        For people complaining do you think we should have games where we can blow up the world trade centers with airplanes for fun?

                                        It's not just the United States that does this anyways.

                                        Besides Germany banning any games that let you kill humans, Japan bans decapitations and South Korea banned this:

                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy%27s_Ghost_Recon_2

                                        They didn't ban the game because US Troops die because if they did all of the Call of Duty games would be banned.

                                        I think most war based games are offensive to most people when applied in a realistic setting.

                                        They should just do away with any reality based shoot um ups. Its not like their scripts have been literary genius they can just as easily use a fictional back drop.

                                        You're absolutely wrong on the German part of your argument, games with "Nazis" are banned on Germany, regardless of if you play as them or against them, which is also in part stupid, but at least it isn't hypocritical

                                        I knew a German exchange student. Anything Nazi related is striped from their existing culture and school curriculum. When they talk about Hitler they only talk about his economic/industrial revolution. Which is a short segment at that. They never bring up the Holocaust.

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                                          Return to Castle Wolfenstein lets you play Nazis and shoot Americans in multiplayer.
                                          No one raised a stink.

                                          You guys can raise all the stink you want, but the fact that it's just on military bases means it's a total non-issue and non-controversy.

                                          All normal Americans in every non base can waltz out and buy whatever they damn well like and shoot as many GIs as they damn well like.

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                                            It's allowed on military bases also, just not for sale. God forbid, someone has to actually leave the base and pay an extra seven dollars in taxes to get a game, or even order it online. There's plenty of games in which you can fight against the American army, it's just the fact that this one is based on a current ongoing conflict in which many men/women in the military are coming back from overseas with a lot of mental problems over what they had to deal with.

                                            Wheel of morality turn, turn, turn.

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                                              Oh, I see
                                              I apologize, then

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                                                @pyromonki:

                                                I get it. But the double standard makes their point atrocious.

                                                How's it a double standard?

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                                                  Doesn't seem like a big problem.

                                                  The game being can still be brought by the people on the bases.

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                                                    Honestly if they wanted to ban it outright to military personnel it would be well within their right to do so. It would be completely ridiculous and laughable, but joining the military does mean giving up certain rights that regular civilians are entitled to.

                                                    Wheel of morality turn, turn, turn.

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                                                      BUMP

                                                      Just thought I mention the developers caved despite lack of overwhelming backlash and changed the name of the Taliban to "Opposing Forces" in the final release of the game.

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                                                        It's not really that big of a deal. Soldiers can still buy the game off base and own it. I can understand the sensitivity of the situation, but they opened up a shitstorm for the media.

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                                                          I knew a German exchange student. Anything Nazi related is striped from their existing culture and school curriculum. When they talk about Hitler they only talk about his economic/industrial revolution. Which is a short segment at that. They never bring up the Holocaust.

                                                          That can't be right. I realize Germany has a ban on the Swastika, but what I recall is that applies only when it's not being used in an academic context. Did they really outright remove such an enormous part of history? This conflicts with everything I've heard about the subject; it can't be completely like that.

                                                          ! Uwe Boll's upcoming movie makes a whole lot more sense if it is.

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                                                            Wow, that's pretty dumb.

                                                            "I'm a Taiban! Watch me shoot up bunch of Americans! Ain't I good? kaksdgwdgw"

                                                            "NNUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZZ!!!!!! We Americans are good guyz!!!"

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                                                            @Bravo:

                                                            It's not really that big of a deal. Soldiers can still buy the game off base and own it. I can understand the sensitivity of the situation, but they opened up a shitstorm for the media.

                                                            Bingo, that's the other reason why it's dumb, because they'll just buy it off base. Duh

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                                                              They changed the Talibans to Opposing Forces..

                                                              I can't believe EA really acted like this under pressure.. Disappointing.

                                                              Anyway, Jack Thompson is at it again

                                                              http://www.neoseeker.com/news/15034-jack-thompson-looking-to-ban-medal-of-honor/

                                                              Former Florida attorney Jack Thompson tries to get back into the spotlight again by lobbying to prevent the upcoming Medal of Honor from being sold. He has petitioned U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to call attention to the matter.

                                                              In a letter faxed to Gates, Thompson voices his complaint by stating the game is a training simulator to kill troops, putting down military members involved with the design of the game, and allowing EA to let minors pre-order the M-rated game:

                                                              "With all respect for everything else on your plate, but as someone who has represented the surviving family members of such video game-caused massacres, I personally urge you, as Secretary of Defense, to do what is necessary, proper, and legal to stop the release of Medal of Honor on October 12 on the basis that it poses a demonstrable danger to our troops by providing a training tool for those who wish to kill them."

                                                              "I would also strongly suggest that the Defense Department find out who these Special Ops people are who have acted so foolishly in this regard."

                                                              "Finally, I believe the full weight of the federal government should come down upon Electronic Arts and the video game industry's Entertainment Software Association for their allowing, presently and fraudulently, despite promises to Congress, the widespread pre-sale of this adult game to minors throughout the country and around the world."

                                                              **During an e-mail exchange, Thompson also had some choice words to say regarding the recent Taliban name change in MoH's multiplayer mode:

                                                              "I win again, as usual. Any gamers who don’t think so and who don’t appreciate what I do to protect our culture can go to Hell. … Any gamers that don’t know how to get to Hell on an expedited basis, let me know, and I’ll send along the cheat code to get there more quickly.**"

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                                                                So….is he saying he's winning when he doesn't even know if the game won't be sold. Not to mention all of the other things that makes him sound like an as*hole. He's also starting to sound a bit insane too saying he's protecting people while threatening to help send people to hell...I'm starting to wonder if he just wants publicity at this point?

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                                                                  Dear Jack Thompson:

                                                                  How about YOU go to Hell.

                                                                  The man doesn't even know most of the stuff he's talking about when it comes to video games, anyways.

                                                                  "I win again, as usual"

                                                                  Riiiiiiiight😆

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                                                                    Has he ever won much of anything before involving video games? I'm pretty sure he won a couple of cases, but I'm pretty sure I heard most accusations he throws around usually prove groundless. I've definitely never heard of him stopping a game from getting released before.

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                                                                      I read him up on Wiki, and according to what I've read, he's been a reeeeaaal dick, worse than some gamers, even (which I find hilarious).

                                                                      Apparently, he sees Grand Theft Auto IV as "the gravest assault upon children in this country since polio."

                                                                      He's tried to blame video games for the Virginia Tech shootings, saying, "this is not rocket science. When a kid who has never killed anyone in his life goes on a rampage and looks like the Terminator, he's a video gamer."
                                                                      That's a stupid conclusion.:getlost:

                                                                      Aaaand even when people are trying to be nice to him…

                                                                      In 2006, two Michigan gamers began a project dubbed "Flowers for Jack", soliciting donations to deliver a massive floral arrangement to Thompson’s office. The flowers were delivered in February along with a letter aimed at opening a dialogue between Thompson and the video gaming community. Thompson rejected this overture and forwarded the flowers to some of his industry foes, with such comments as "Discard them along with the decency you discarded long ago. I really don't care. Grind them up and smoke them if you like."

                                                                      I'm getting a kick out of reading him on Wiki. A lot of his quotes/actions are facepalm worthy. 😆

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                                                                        I knew a German exchange student. Anything Nazi related is striped from their existing culture and school curriculum. When they talk about Hitler they only talk about his economic/industrial revolution. Which is a short segment at that. They never bring up the Holocaust.

                                                                        Sorry for bringing this up again, but I would like to say that this is completly wrong and the exchange student obviously was either misunderstood or clueless as hell.

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                                                                          One thing I'll never understand is why soldiers would even want to play these games. Why in the world would someone who's been in actual combat want to play something that would remind them of actual horrifying events they may have seen and experienced?

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                                                                            One thing I'll never understand is why soldiers would even want to play these games. Why in the world would someone who's been in actual combat want to play something that would remind them of actual horrifying events they may have seen and experienced?

                                                                            I guess they're fun. :happy:

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                                                                              But Military Shooter #104© isn't fun 👅 .

                                                                              How old is JT again? I want to know how long until the gaming community is rid of his douchbaggyness.

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                                                                                MoH is boring as fuck. It's shit. It's like a horrible combination of COD and BF.. only Battlefield is actually good.

                                                                                Don't expect the full game to be any better

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                                                                                  How old is JT again? I want to know how long until the gaming community is rid of his douchbaggyness.

                                                                                  He's as closest as he'll be to "gone".

                                                                                  The fact that he's been permanently disbarred as a lawyer pretty much shreds up every ounce of credibility he [could've] had, so he's basically a walking Internet troll at this point.

                                                                                  And yeah, I haven't been hearing good things about MoH as far as the actual game is concerned (Though I don't think theres really been a remarkable game in the franchise after Frontline).

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                                                                                    "Hey look! It's Jack Thompson! And he's doin' stuff!"

                                                                                    No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                                      Man, why can't someone just go shoot the guy. He'll never win!

                                                                                      Currently writing a book

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                                                                                        Man, why can't someone just go shoot the guy. He'll never win!

                                                                                        It'd be a waste.

                                                                                        Gotta conserve some bullets, y'know. These are rough economical times, ay-ay!

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                                                                                          Man, why can't someone just go shoot the guy. He'll never win!

                                                                                          Because that's possibly the dumbest thing someone can do?

                                                                                          He lost his job forever. He cannot be a lawyer anymore. He's nothing more than the equivalent of a crackpot old coot, sitting on his porch and yelling at everyone that passes by. He's best left ignored. Shooting him just because he can't keep his mouth shut, especially when he has no power to do anything, would only end up making him look right about gamers.

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                                                                                            Not that it matters, he's rich as fuck
                                                                                            He's literally a Internet Troll having fun, and I kinda respect that

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                                                                                              Why are people still talking about this?

                                                                                              It's just Jack Thompson. It's not like it's anyone you have to worry about.

                                                                                              Don't bait the trolls…unless it becomes really entertaining to do.

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                                                                                                @RPGJay:

                                                                                                Why are people still talking about this?

                                                                                                It's just Jack Thompson. It's not like it's anyone you have to worry about.

                                                                                                Don't bait the trolls…unless it becomes really entertaining to do.

                                                                                                I tend to get entertainment out of it lately while I used to talk about how people should never do it.

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                                                                                                  They changed the Talibans to Opposing Forces..

                                                                                                  I can't believe EA really acted like this under pressure.. Disappointing.

                                                                                                  More funny is the fact that the game is still banned for sale on Military bases even after the change.

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