Coby's potential

BartArt

He will become an admiral. That's the spirit of One Piece.
You think he won't? Why?

No, I think he will. You're right it's the spirit of one piece and totally foreshadowed by Oda.

What I meant was that I don't think Coby necessarily has to be able to hold off Luffy like we were talking about in the first 2 pages.

Maybe they meet up a couple of times in the New World and Luffy beats him quite easily but each time Coby is a little closer.

Than in the end of the series, Coby is the main attention in the inevitable change in the WG/marines, as an Admiral.

I just meant that, maybe, they will never fight seriously.

But I could also see that happening, Coby will be damn strong after his speculated training with Garp and Sengoku. I just wanted to throw in another speculation : D.

grunk

He can't really hold off Luffy on his own. But if he gets a powerful DF, it's a different story and it's almost a lock at this point. If Akainu didn't have his magma, Luffy could probably put up a decent fight with him at this point.. he'd still lose but Coby is going to get a massive power boost from a fruit sooner than later, most likely.

Mikan

For the record, I have Colby as a Captain by the end of the story. Maybe a commodore. But clearly in command of a ship with his crew. Helmeppo will be his second in command.

Between the conversation with Luffy at Water 7 and Garp training him in haki, he'll definitely be an admiral at the end.

I just meant that, maybe, they will never fight seriously.

I agree with this. It would be interesting to see them meet a couple more times (to gauge how strong Coby's getting), but I really think Coby's going to help bring down the WG in the end. That way he can be an admiral at the end, after the WG has been deposed; he can be the marine hero of a new era.

opie

now that the marines know coby can use haki and has a great potential, i wonder if they'll give him a devil fruit to make him a worthy marine warrior.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

Garp is also a worthy marine officier without DF.
I think that he will get a DF later in the story but i doubt that every guy who can use Haki in the marine will directly get an offer for a DF.
Also would be kind of weird when the marines have so many DFs in store and just give them away when such a rare incident like Coby getting his Haki appears.

Gokuyuske

In the first volume, Coby says he wants to join the navy and capture Alvida. I'm willing to bet that he does capture Alvida right after or during the timeskip. Buggy is moving on to bigger and better things, and Oda will need to show that Coby has made progress.

Gerri

Idk. As much as I like Coby to capture Alvida, I do feel like revenge would set the wrong tone and complicate things as there are too many fought conflicts/battles in OP where winner and loser are still alive. Also, I don't see why Oda needs to prove that Coby has made progress - besides doubting that capturing Alvida is that much of a feat - since he has given him an enormous amount of attention, for a non strawhat that is.

Coby has made the most drastic overall development (character, appearance, power) in the story that I can think of. It wouldnt really matter if he simply appeared again at a later point in the story where he has a significant impact as it is just a logical conclusion of what has been build around him. Beating a C-class pirate like Alvida doesnt add any more credibility to this scenario.

southwick

to be fair if they were to meet they probably would'nt recognise who each other are until someone mentions it anyway

coby would just be an up and comin marine and alvida one of buggy's crewmates

SabZ

I think it's quite clear that the gov't will remain in charge at the end of OP. Either Aokiji or Smoker will run things. Without the gov't, the OP world wouldn't have any set laws, so it'd collapse.

Anyway… Coby and Luffy will develop and Garp/ Roger relationship. A friendly rivalry.

*Meh*

I'm not sure how well Coby's going to adjust to hearing voices in his head. His first experience with it seemed to creep him out. I wonder if that's part of what drove Enel off the deep end. For that matter, Sandersonia seemed rather cold-blooded, too. Does specializing in Observation make people emotionally cold? Or were those cases where other variables were more likely to introduce psychopathology?

DevilBatDive

theory that during time-skip, coby gets control of a ship, i have a bad memory so i don't know the correct marines ranking for that (Captain?) or one lower than Commodore, which is what Smoker became. He is going around on his ship and finds a DF and eats it for justice.

DF fruit is a) some sort of Glue Glue fruit. like the i am rubber you are glue thing or whatever. b) Whatever is supereffective against rubber [like Luffy's Rubber v. God Enel's Lightning but in reverse] but in reverse. c) some other sort of DF that isn't super tricky or gimmicky like soap or shadow [no offense] nor super powerful logia style but just makes him a more physically strong fighter while not compromising his appearance as that would appear like he sacrificed his body/humanity for power which isn't noble.

pwnobi

@_Meh_:

I'm not sure how well Coby's going to adjust to hearing voices in his head. His first experience with it seemed to creep him out. I wonder if that's part of what drove Enel off the deep end. For that matter, Sandersonia seemed rather cold-blooded, too. Does specializing in Observation make people emotionally cold? Or were those cases where other variables were more likely to introduce psychopathology?

Although I don't agree with your thesis, I think it's ironic that the pattern continues if you think Mihawk has Detect Drive(Which I've seen quite a few people do).

baby-boo

@Rori:

I actually think Coby and Smoker are like Garp split tho

Smoker - doesn't want to be promoted, cornered Luffy few times
Coby - considers Luffy as an enemy and friend, he has no devil fruit power

but this two lacks Garp's main trait easygoing.

I thought Smoker didn't want to get promoted because it was really him who defeated Croc, or was there another time? I think he would accept a promotion for something he really has done, or just in general. I don't remember what they wanted to promote him to, but he was a Commodore the next time we saw him.

baby-boo

@brennen.exe:

I know it's cliche and a little corny, but ever since Ace died I've been hoping Coby would find the Mera Mera Fruit. It would follow the trend of Admirals having a logia, would give him a necessary power boost, and would give us and Luffy peace of mind that somebody worthwhile inherited Ace's powers. Another logia or fruit power could work as well*, but I like the idea of Coby eventually surpassing Akainu while using the same abilities Akainu mocked Ace for.

And all the admirals are rather tall, so Coby better become taller or else it will look unbalanced if he stands next to Akainu and Kizaru, if those two are still there.
But fire would make Akainu and Coby too similar. If they replace Akainu with the White Hunter, then it would fit more.

Gerri

I like the idea of the reappearing mera mera fruit and coby would be a valid candidate for eating it.

All that has to happen is that akainu gets defeated before coby takes his place which I think is likely.

Lamuerte

Luffy-Zoro
Smoker-Tashigi
Coby-Helmeppo

Luffy has a DF, Zoro hasn't.
Smoker has a DF, Tashigi hasn't.
Coby will have a DF, Helmeppo won't.

But that's just my piece of cake.

Cymelion

@Lamuerte:

Luffy-Zoro
Smoker-Tashigi
Coby-Helmeppo

Luffy has a DF, Zoro hasn't.
Smoker has a DF, Tashigi hasn't.
Coby will have a DF, Helmeppo won't.

But that's just my piece of cake.

Good point - but to be honest I think that Helmeppo will get the DF and Coby will have the Haki.
I honestly do not know what DF power they would give but fairly sure it would be a Logia if either one did.

grunk

Another possibility is that Smoker will be the new "Garp" and Coby the new "Sengoku". Garp is going to the most dangerous Marine base in the world, so he could build alot of infamy and strength over the next 2 years. Smoker was shown thought that the war continuing was bullshit like Coby did, so they even end up as friends as they think alike.
Sengoku quit to train the next generation, and if anyone is going to receive the brunt of his training it's Coby.. plus he's probably already popular with the common folk for the bravery he showed in the war.. so his journey could be him being a charismatic, empathetic and intelligent leader. Garp's path to change the marines from the inside failed, so if Coby is going to do it- or eventually be in charge of a less repressive marines- he needs to go a different route.

Kingudora

In 2 years I think that Coby has raised some ranks (not admiral level, still lower than Garp), have gotten some fame as "Garp's excellent student" and captured some pirates at lower-Supernova level (less than 100 million beri), but not acting on his own and Garp always with him as a supervisor, so Coby's fame isn't based on his feats or skills but Garp's legendary status and excellence (Poor Helmeppo doesn't get any attention). However, I think Coby has learned all forms of rokushiki (learned, not mastered) and learned the basics of Haki (focusing on Color Of Observation and Armaments). He has no devil fruit (I actually think it fits his character, becoming an admiral that can personally save his devil fruit-comrades instead of reverse, making him an interesting mirror to Luffy).

Also, Coby's doubt of the marines will in the end only make him more determined to become Fleet Admiral.

Or maybe Oda takes dark path and turn Coby into a disillusioned, psychotic and power addictive mini-Akainu still set to become Fleet Admiral, caused by all the voices in his head and traumatic experiences (hmm.. sounds more like a mini-Sasuke… :ninja: woah, did I really write that?). The most interesting aspect of this situaton though is that Coby would be Garp's only pupil who becomes "a great marine" (rank-wise) but oppose Garp's all other ideals (unlike Luffy or Ace, they kept his ideals, but became pirates instead. Poor Helmeppo doesn't get any attention again).
I really hope Oda DOES NOT choose this path! It wouldn't make any sense (+ too much Sasuke-ism...)

paranoik0s

@Kingudora:

He has no devil fruit (I actually think it fits his character, becoming an admiral that can personally save his devil fruit-comrades instead of reverse, making him an interesting mirror to Luffy).

its not the reason why ppl choose or not to eat a DF
the reason why coby might not eat one is due to Garp's advice
(he could have been an admiral even without a DF)

paranoik0s

@Cymelion:

but to be honest I think that Helmeppo will get the DF

helmeppo with a DF is a yellow cow with an ultra violent M4

*Meh*

There's something I'm not entirely clear on: is Garp a member of Ao Kiji's fleet? He's said on at least one occasion that he owes a great deal to Garp. Additionally, he went in person with Garp to Water 7 when Sengoku ordered the capture and/or execution of the Straw Hat Pirates. Since the direct superior to a Vice Admiral would be an Admiral, I could see Ao Kiji using the excuse of personally overseeing Garp to accompany him. In such a case, a subordinate from one command (such as Coby) could be issued orders of transfer to another command (such as Smoker's, since the commodore is also a part of the same fleet.), but otherwise I just can't see any military rationale for someone like Coby to be stationed in the New World with Smoker.

Gerri

I'm not even sure that each of the admirals have their own fleet. To me it seems more like they can take charge of any fleet depending on their availability and/or distance from the situation where they are needed.

blue-san

@Lamuerte:

Luffy-Zoro
Smoker-Tashigi
Coby-Helmeppo

Luffy has a DF, Zoro hasn't.
Smoker has a DF, Tashigi hasn't.
Coby will have a DF, Helmeppo won't.

But that's just my piece of cake.

If Helmpeo will be able to fight on "pair" with Zoro I'll be seriously like this –-> :getlost::sick:

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@_Meh_:

There's something I'm not entirely clear on: is Garp a member of Ao Kiji's fleet? He's said on at least one occasion that he owes a great deal to Garp. Additionally, he went in person with Garp to Water 7 when Sengoku ordered the capture and/or execution of the Straw Hat Pirates. Since the direct superior to a Vice Admiral would be an Admiral, I could see Ao Kiji using the excuse of personally overseeing Garp to accompany him. In such a case, a subordinate from one command (such as Coby) could be issued orders of transfer to another command (such as Smoker's, since the commodore is also a part of the same fleet.), but otherwise I just can't see any military rationale for someone like Coby to be stationed in the New World with Smoker.

Aokiji owes Garp something because it was Garp he learned under (look at chapter 0 again)
Also i guess an admiral can freely command every marineship\soldier who is around.
Also an admiral is allowed to go freely around(just like Aokiji was at Longringlongland just for fun) so it could be that he also in Water7 wasn`t on a mission.
He just wanted to look after Robin (out of his working hours^^)

paranoik0s

@Don:

out of his working hours^^

Admiral-ing needs some rest m8

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

serious business^^

Aka D. Ryuu

as someone stated at hte begingof the thread i believe coby will well known for beeting up a great pirate.. whe dont know what enemys he has faced or even so if he ever faced an enemy.. but i believe like many others that after the TS Coby will have to have beaten a big fish so that he can be realy comperable with luffy… right know i believe he is still a soldier in the making.. not a leader. unlike luffy.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

Coby showed potantial of a leader right here
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-579/page011.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-579/page013.html

Gerri

Agreed, he just doesnt have the power yet to live that out…

Superbear 22

I can see him getting a devil fruit, within the two year skip. Yeah, yeah I know some will say that "Man he's needs to develop his Haki in that time, and it will be too much if he got a devil fruit." to me this is a ridiculous argument because he went from being complete garbage to knowing Soru and basic fighting techniques in like what, a month's time!

Kater

Regarding Coby one day becoming an admiral, I see Coby turning into a Garp sort of characters. Coby's original goal is to be at the top of the marines so he can promote justice onto the world, my point is I believe Coby will rise above the image of just being an admiral.

Garp, as we have seen obviously is one of the more important vice admirals, and if we can take Chapter 0 as cannon, he did not want to be an admiral. I think the point that was trying to be made is, he did not care about his position and did not want to sit on the top hierarchy of the government, he simply wanted to truly promote justice in the world and not be a puppet. Since Coby is a good character and since he is Garp's disciple I do not ever think he will become an Admiral, but most likely a Vice-Admiral. And I also think that him and Luffy will one day have their obvious face-off. Though I think by then Coby will have a few assistants.

Redspear

i hope coby gets a plant logia.

Bucephalus

I think Coby will get a Pterodactyl fruit; Oda's been hinting at it since day one. Ever since Oda introduced Coby to Luffy, he's made very subtle, but at the same time noticeable under the supervision of a keen eye, hints that Coby will fight Garp and ultimately eat the Pterodactyl fruit.

blue-san

@Don:

Coby showed potantial of a leader right here
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-579/page011.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-579/page013.html

Agreed although for me that is just another helpless whining. Me and Akainu would get along there

Redspear

@Bucephalus:

I think Coby will get a Pterodactyl fruit; Oda's been hinting at it since day one. Ever since Oda introduced Coby to Luffy, he's made very subtle, but at the same time noticeable under the supervision of a keen eye, hints that Coby will fight Garp and ultimately eat the Pterodactyl fruit.

umm…..what now?

madmanricky

i think if coby gets a fruit think it will be during the timeskip or shortly after since he needs to learn how to control the power before he could before it will be a strength

HikaruYami

@Redspear:

umm…..what now?

I wholeheartedly second this.

Rubber Fist Luffy

@Superbear:

I can see him getting a devil fruit, within the two year skip. Yeah, yeah I know some will say that "Man he's needs to develop his Haki in that time, and it will be too much if he got a devil fruit." to me this is a ridiculous argument because he went from being complete garbage to knowing Soru and basic fighting techniques in like what, a month's time!

I totally agree here, and I really hope he does eat a DF, it'll only make things more interesting.

Pipio

Coby really needs a good DF!

Potential DF types for coby

Mystical zoan types:
Dragon (color Green)
Sphinx (color Pink)
Griffin (Color White)
other zoans types:
any herbivore creature

Logia:
Ashes (Color grey) - doesn't conduct heat and could blind/suffocate/turn people to stone
Terra form/Moss logia - With enough water around him he could form islands easily and immobilize any pirate by covering them in moss.
Glass logia - Could be highly dangerous to luffy even when he punches him
Any metal(steel,copper,platinum,gold) logia

Paramecia types:
Sonar fruit - mixed with his sensing haki would give him incredible range.
Passion fruit (lol) - ability to inspire compassion in anyone to force them to give up or get pounded.
Stone fruit - Admiral stone wall Coby (nice ring to it right? lol)
Tsunami/tidal wave fruit - can make tidal waves from his fists and any weapon he holds

I'm really hoping for the Terra form/Moss logia that would be sick!

Pipio

hell for fun, give coby the super man fruit or eye lasers no mi XD

Aka D. Ryuu

@Don:

Coby showed potantial of a leader right here
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-579/page011.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-579/page013.html

well i dont think that his pose at that time was one of a leader. i dont think any strong willed leaders woulod faint infront of the sight of Akainu or by Shanks.
i just think that coby has to realy dicisive and strongwilled so that he can climp to the marines top, unlike luffy who in this short term in the seas as a pirate made a great name by acomplishing things.coby is stil unknown to the marines and pirates for his streangth.

AtomicFruit

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-581/page005.html

Was Bonney after Law ?

Aka D. Ryuu

@AtomicFruit:

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-581/page005.html

Was Bonney after Law ?

probably Black Beard thats whys he was caught from him.
but i think this is atread about Coby right?

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@Aka:

well i dont think that his pose at that time was one of a leader. i dont think any strong willed leaders woulod faint infront of the sight of Akainu or by Shanks.
i just think that coby has to realy dicisive and strongwilled so that he can climp to the marines top, unlike luffy who in this short term in the seas as a pirate made a great name by acomplishing things.coby is stil unknown to the marines and pirates for his streangth.

Standing there in front of everyone as a nobody and screaming that those he works for are wrong, definitely shows that he is willing to fight for his believes.
Being here brave enough stand up as the only one, even when most of those guys around there thought the same…impressive and definitely a hint that he could later lead the marines.
It wasn`t about him being not strong enough..it was about his bravery to speak open what he feeled and that is something a leader should be able to^^

thefreezer

i think that coby after the 2 years will have a cp9 level mastery of Rokushiki and with at least have the basic knowlegde of all three haki not necessarily a fighting knowledge but still a basic knowledge. i also think that he will be a changing force for the goverment and will side with dragon if the world slips into a civil war which i think it will. he and smoker will continue to be the main rivals for luffy

Thatguy23--

OMG!! I figured it out… obviously Coby already has haki but now he is gonna get super strength while training with garp. see a similarity? (Coby=Sakura)
Pink Hair
Weak to begin with
Super strength training with grandpa instead of granny lol
ALSO that inner will sakura has... lololol

AlmostLegendary

I think Coby's potential is off the charts. He has the fastest development out of any character we've seen so far. Haki has awaken in him and he's started learning the techniques of the cp9. That + Mantra = sex moves , Coby will be admiral after the time skip hopefully.

DevilBatDive

I see Garp being aware of Coby's greater mind than Luffy who is pretty dumb. And spends the two years teaching him in 100% theoretical techniques, the opposite of Luffy who was given great power and left to figure it all out and get combat experience. Thus after 2 years, Coby will know a lot but can be seen setting off with Helmeppo at his side and his crew/fleet to take out some pirates

Pipio

Do you think coby will have learned all 3 types of haki when hes reintroduced?