Coby's potential

[blue-san]

I dont often create threads, but this simply doesnt give me peace in my head.

I ll explain:

We know how the story goes, so I ll just make a quick rerun here.
Luffy sets out to sea, when he is 17 years old. He soon meets a boy named Coby, who becomes his friend but they part their ways since Coby is determined to become a marine and Luffy a pirate.
Coby later on is seen training with Garp and we even seem him meeting Luffy on two more ocasions in both he fights Luffy, or at least tries to.
On first we see him using the Rokushiki techinque to be more exact Soru (previously seen to be used by CP9 - it basically allows you to be extremly fast)
Luffy beats him with ease.
On second ocasion Coby is seen in the war where he stands up to Luffy yet again and he just pwns him yet again with ease, not to mention we also see him being K.O.-ed by Kings Haki. However Coby did learn something new in between as we learn after the war he has the "Mantra" Ability or as we learnt in the last chapter of OP the so called COLOR of OBSERVATION.
So I guess he ll be training it with the help of Garp.
Meanwhile Luffy has became physically stronger, learnt gear 2 and 3 and now is learning to use all three kinds of Haki.

Now as we know Coby has a goal to become a Marine Admiral. Luffy also said, he better does if he wants to stop him. So my question would be. Do you think Coby will ever become strong enough to face Luffy, to hold him off, to be on equal footing with him and so on?

Also will add my opinion.

Since there will be a 2 year break in OP both characters will have the time to improve their skills and strength, I believe Coby will become stronger and one day (doubt that in 2 years) will become a Marine Admiral. But I dont think and I dont even wana see him ever being able to even touch Luffy.
We all read Mangas we all know how it works for the most of the time. The main characters have the best potential to grow in strength in story and they also learn the fastest. So seeing how Luffy is already years ahead of Coby in strength I dont see him ever catch up and will be very disapointed if it happens.
For all I care Coby can at the end of manga reach his dreams and becomes an Admiral, I wouldnt want it to happen sooner. Firstly because I dislike Coby and secondly cause it would be somewhat unrealistic for me. If Coby becomes an Admiral than he is one of the 3 main fighting powers of the Marines and it is kind of expected from them to be able to stand against the strongest pirates (including future Luffy) as I explained it would feel cheap to me if suddenly one day Coby is able to fight Luffy and endanger him with his strength

So thats that.

[Rubber Fist Luffy]

I believe its a little obvious that Coby will become a strong marine and actually be able to face Luffy.

[Sea]

Title: Coby vs Luffy
I believe it's a little obvious that versus threads like this aren't allowed.
There is a Marine thread.

[Cahum]

I don't think he'll ever be as strong as Luffy. I see Smoker as more of a Garp-role to Luffy's Roger-role.

But yeah, Sea is right.

[blue-san]

1. About this thread existence, if a Mod feels it should be merged deleted closed or whatever he ll do so. Sea is a regular member of this forum who is here to read, watch share ideas and so on. Never understood people who wanted to act like mods and telling people their thread should be in some other place of the forum and so on. It just "ruins" the thread in case that person is wrong.

So I believe Sea should post his ideas and opinions if he has them regarding the topic or else just stay out of the topic.

As for Marines thread Haki thread and so on. I just figured they are too general for this. Like I said it is not mine not even yours job to tell people which thread is to be or not. We have mods for a reason, but coming here and telling me where I should put this thread makes you just look bossy and acting highly.

So mr. Vietnamese for future reference if you need to tell me something you have PMs

Anyways this topic has been spammed too much anyway it can get removed

[iPenguin]

@Cahum:

I see Smoker as more of a Garp-role to Luffy's Roger-role.

Agreed, especially after Luffy specifically recalled him as an opponent to use Ambition on.

Coby is going to improve a lot for sure, but I think his real major improvement and role will be in the epilogue.

[Sea]

I am generally not interested in spending my time discussing or wondering "Will this comic book character be stronger than that comic book character?", "Can this fictional kid ever win against his fictional rival somehow?". However I will state my opinion.

Among the Marines, there are two characters that show their resolve to rival Luffy, Coby and Smoker. But so far Coby is the only character whose mental and physical growth Oda has shown us. We witness every step of him in his way to maturity and ultimate power. Thus I believe, Coby is built up carefully and deliberately, for a purpose, that is to be an antagonist (not villain) that can face Luffy at some point in the story.

Shanks's Haki activated Coby's Haki. He has luck. More than Luffy, who has to train from the beginning. This reminded me of of HxH when Gon and Killua's nen are activated unnaturally. So I don't think it would be unrealistic if Coby can catch up with Luffy somehow. With what we have seen so far, his case is quite special. There are many unnatural ways to power-up. Furthermore it is believed that Luffy himself can get strong faster than normal people, so can Coby.
In Roger's time, there were Garp, and Sengoku. I don't see why Smoker should be the only rival to Luffy in the Marines.
I also believe that Coby later will work under Dragon's government, after the WG is overthrown.

On a side note, I don't like being referred by my ethnic origin. It doesn't reflect who I am, nor does it indicate my nature and my characteristic. I am first a member here, and just happen to be Vietnamese. I am me, that's all, so I wouldn't like my individuality to be featured by the generality of any ethnic group. Being Vietnamese has nothing to do with me stating my belief in the importance of this thread, which wasn't bossy or acting highly. I just said "I believe". I assume you bear no ill-will and don't take offense, but I think some will, if you call them Mr. Black or Mr. African, etc.

[jaypooner]

In the end, I think Luffy will give himself up like Roger and it'll be Coby who will take him in.

[Zkaiser]

You guys thought Lucci was tough? Coby is gonna make him looks like grade school algebra while he whoops up on Luffy.

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

Coby as the second main protagonist which way is to be a marine instead of piracey will definitely someday his goal (nahh such a chara who was once weak never achieves his goals in a shonen^^) and i also think he will be able to face Luffy.
But they will most likely never have a fight to the bitter end..and even if they will handle it like Garp and Roger orso, where they had many hard fights but in the end Luffy never got catched by him(even when Smoker will also be fitting for that)

[Sea]

@Don:

Coby as the second main protagonist

Protagonist? Are you sure?

But they will most likely never have a fight to the bitter end..and even if they will handle it like Garp and Roger orso, where they had many hard fights but in the end Luffy never got catched by him(even when Smoker will also be fitting for that)

This.
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BTW, if this thread is allowed I will make threads about "Shillew or Mihawk will be Zoro's final opponent?", "Will Taishigi ever stand against Zoro as equal?", "Will Sanji at the end defeat Borsalino?". Just saying.:))

[Sick_Fool]

Interesting thread.

@jaypooner:

In the end, I think Luffy will give himself up like Roger and it'll be Coby who will take him in.

Why the hell would he give himself in when all this time all Luffy wanted is to be the freest person on the seas? :blink:

Anyway, in terms of Haki, Coby will definitely learn the three types (he's training under Garp after all), but he'll only master Observation Haki since this was the type that he has shown and was given emphasis in the war; just like Luffy also learning all types but mastering King's Haki only.

After timeskip, Coby will partially be a master of the six forms of Rokushiki. Or maybe he'll already master the art itself.

[Rubber Fist Luffy]

@Sick_Fool:

Interesting thread.

Why the hell would he give himself in when all this time all Luffy wanted is to be the freest person on the seas? :blink:

Anyway, in terms of Haki, Coby will definitely learn the three types (he's training under Garp after all), but he'll only master Observation Haki since this was the type that he has shown and was given emphasis in the war; just like Luffy also learning all types but mastering King's Haki only.

After timeskip, Coby will partially be a master of the six forms of Rokushiki. Or maybe he'll already master the art itself.

Maybe for the same reason Roger turned himself in? Lets be honest, Luffy's fighting style isn't really good for him.
But I think it'd be too… dull if he did the same as roger.

Also, I hope Coby eats a DF, because if all he masters is Haki and Rokushiki, then that's nothing new, and luffy has faced both of those before.

[Mugiwara_no_Ice]

After time skip Coby will have a new haircut, dye his hair in a marine blue and be called

AO KIJI.

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@Sea:

Protagonist? Are you sure?

Sure i am.
He`s someone like Luffy, who wants to reach the top but instead of reaching his freedom with piracy he uses they way of becoming a marine.
He was the first chara who Luffy met and just like Luffy he got more and more powerful and also is reaching for the top.
They just started from a differnet strenght level and are going the two different ways of achieving their goal.

[Sea]

@Don:

He`s someone like Luffy, who wants to reach the top but instead of reaching his freedom with piracy he uses they way of becoming a marine.
He was the first chara who Luffy met and just like Luffy he got more and more powerful and also is reaching for the top.
They just started from a differnet strenght level and are going the two different ways of achieving their goal.

That doesn't mean he is the protagonist. He will only be the protagonist if he always helps Luffy to fight against the same foes, which he doesn't.
Coby will represent or create obstacles that the protagonist(Luffy) must overcome. That is what makes him an antagonist. Antagonists are not necessarily bad, just against the protagonists at some point. Very different from villain. L, for example, is an antagonist. Or Sasaki Kojirō in Vagabond.
Coby can also be a Deuteragonist

[Mugiwara_no_Ice]

@Sea:

BTW, if this thread is allowed I will make threads about "Shillew or Mihawk will be Zoro's final opponent?", "Will Taishigi ever stand against Zoro as equal?", "Will Sanji at the end defeat Borsalino?". Just saying.:))

Apparently you got the green light Sea.

[Robby]

Coby will be a worthy opponent in the future and was one of the best reasons to have a timeskip.

And while a couple interesting things have been said, versus threads aren't allowed.

Thread over.

Unless…

I retitle it.

[bepo]

@Rubber:

Maybe for the same reason Roger turned himself in? Lets be honest, Luffy's fighting style isn't really good for him.
But I think it'd be too… dull if he did the same as roger.

Also, I hope Coby eats a DF, because if all he masters is Haki and Rokushiki, then that's nothing new, and luffy has faced both of those before.

coby is going to eat the fire logia, aikanu becomes fleet admiral and coby the new red dog, that would be awesome:getlost:

[blue-san]

In reality I would very much like to see Coby always falling behind luffy slowly rising through the ranks but never to have the ability to have huge impact on the story.

I just don't want Oda to take the regular shounen manga path with this one, especially for a character like Coby.

[IceBorg]

People always forget Helmeppo.

[Sea]

@Mugiwara_no_Ice:

Apparently you got the green light Sea.

Somehow. But not really. Maybe "Shillew's potential", "Taishigi's potential".
@blue-san:

I just don't want Oda to take the regular shounen manga path with this one, especially for a character like Coby.

So it is based on your personal liking?
It's not a shonen path. It's storytelling path. Oda doesn't spend pages and pages demonstrating a character's development carefully just to have him being a side character with no worthy impact. I believe.

[SubZero]

I don't see Coby being anywhere near luffy's level as of yet, however near the end of the story, perhaps even the epilogue, I see Coby in charge of the marines

[paranoik0s]

i agree with blue that it would be strange coby to catch up with luffy's strength

and as an opponent of luffy i dont find him terrifying just because he doesnt have the potential to fight against him

i expect coby to be a rear admiral after the time skip

vice admiral is too high for him IMO

[Sea]

Who said that Coby will catch up with Luffy right after the timeskip?

i dont find him terrifying

He will be.

[blue-san]

no one. Not even paranoik0s said it…

We are thinking along the lines. He never catches up to Luffy but still he is becoming stronger and by the end of the manga becomes what he has wished for, for so long.

That is story development. It's just Oda decision where to take him and how much will he obstruct Luffy's path towards the Pirate King.
He can become the torn in his sides or he can just become stronger we see him fighting other important Pirates and he never reaches Luffy.

That for me would be the best way to go with it.

[Sea]

At the end he will be an admiral and be able to hold off Luffy, as an admiral supposed to be.
Otherwise, it will be against the general spirit of One Piece. All the screen time Oda spends for Coby's development will be for nothing but showing how a man try hard yet can't accomplish his dream of becoming Admiral. Too pessimistic for a positive children comic book.
I don't see that happen.

[Robby]

Garp is raising Coby to be the Marine he always wanted Luffy and Ace to be.

Especially after Ace's death, I think Garp would be extra serious about passing down his ideals and strengths, particularly with a good hearted kid like Coby who is Luffy's friend, despite their opposite stances.

Coby will be a monster.

[IceBorg]

Pink admiral he will be.

[paranoik0s]

after teh time skip and after coby gains strength
i believe that he will participate in a battle against a supernova(i would like him to be Kid)

that time he ll be in near death situation and Luffy will come for assistance

that way luffy will gain the marine's respect (not the WG) and will make coby restate his opinion about justice

[Sea]

@paranoik0s:

after teh time skip and after coby gains strength
i believe that he will participate in a battle against a supernova(i would like him to be Kid)

that time he ll be in near death situation and Luffy will come for assistance

that way luffy will gain the marine's respect (not the WG) and will make coby restate his opinion about justice

Since the beginning Coby has never doubted that Luffy the Pirate is a good man.

[paranoik0s]

@Sea:

Since the beginning, Coby has never doubted that Luffy the Pirate is a good man.

yes but after the war he seemed questioned about what was happening what was right or wrong

he is a man of peace and he may understand that the marine way of peace is not the appropriate one

i think oda created coby for that reason,as the dedicated marine who will restate his opinion about justice

[Sea]

@paranoik0s:

yes but after the war he seemed questioned about what was happening what was right or wrong

he is a man of peace and he may understand that the marine way of peace is not the appropriate one

i think oda created coby for that reason,as the dedicated marine who will restate his opinion about justice

Then it's not Luffy who makes him restate, but the Marines itself. The situation you theorized doesn't indicate anything bad about Marines. He will restate, maybe, but not because of that.
As I said, he will work under Dragon after the WG is overthrown, as an admiral.

[paranoik0s]

@Sea:

The situation you theorized doesn't indicate anything bad about Marines.

i stated it as the fact that could make him change and that would also fit in the storyline.i dont believe that if coby were to change that it would happen without the role of luffy in it.
after a chain of events (the chain has already started with the war) coby would be led to his restating

the idea of joining Dragon sounds good to me as well but i wouldnt like a passionate marine to join those who destroyed them.

and we still dont know teh true aims of the revolutionaries

i hope oda doesnt think of it like current state in Cuba

[Sea]

@paranoik0s:

i stated it as the fact that could make him change and that would also fit in the storyline.i dont believe that if coby were to change that it would happen without the role of luffy in it.
after a chain of events (the chain has already started with the war) coby would be led to his restating

the idea of joining Dragon sounds good to me as well but i wouldnt like a passionate marine to join those who destroyed them.

and we still dont know teh true aims of the revolutionaries

i hope oda doesnt think of it like current state in Cuba

A Marine soldier's job, in Coby's mind, is to fight against villains of the sea, which Pirates are. Not protect a corrupted government. He devoted his life to justice, not the government. I don't see how he will refuse to continue to fight against pirates under the name of the new government. No matter how the era changes, no matter who in charge, the mission of a Naval soldier always stays the same.

i hope oda doesnt think of it like current state in Cuba

Oda is not a communist. He may be an emotionally driven war child from Timor, he might be responsible for Watsuki's death, but not a communist.

[Kaze]

@Sea:

A Marine soldier's job, in Coby's mind, is to fight against villains of the sea, which Pirates are. Not protect a corrupted government. He devoted his life to justice, not the government. I don't see how he will refuse to continue to fight against pirates under the name of the new government. No matter how the era changes, no matter who in charge, the mission of a Naval soldier always stays the same.

Oda is not a communist. He may be an emotionally driven war child from Timor, he might be responsible for Watsuki's death, but not a communist.

Ehum,
So seeing that the title of the thread has been changed does that mean you're not going to make " Sanji's potential" or "Zoro's potential" threads? like you claimed on page 1? :]

@IceBorg:

People always forget Helmeppo.

No one forgets about our first villain in the series.

He's just a comic relief for now.

[BartArt]

Oda could also give Coby a big role without him being able to necessarily hold off Luffy. It seems pretty obvious that at some point the WG/Marines will change, so Oda could make Coby a key player in that, and that would justify the time he spent on developing him as a character.

[Sea]

@BartArt:

Oda could also give Coby a big role without him being able to necessarily hold off Luffy. It seems pretty obvious that at some point the WG/Marines will change, so Oda could make Coby a key player in that, and that would justify the time he spent on developing him as a character.

He will become an admiral. That's the spirit of One Piece.
You think he won't? Why?

[Sick_Fool]

@Rubber:

Maybe for the same reason Roger turned himself in? Lets be honest, Luffy's fighting style isn't really good for him.
But I think it'd be too… dull if he did the same as roger.

Also, I hope Coby eats a DF, because if all he masters is Haki and Rokushiki, then that's nothing new, and luffy has faced both of those before.

While I agree that Gear Second poses huge danger to Luffy's well-being, I really don't want him ending up the same fate as Roger who was on the verge of death because of an incurable disease. If he ends up that way, however, we still have Chopper. Remember his dream?

Coby with a DF? Don't want. It'd be so much better if he didn't have any.

@IceBorg:

People always forget Helmeppo.

Helmeppo is Coby's partner-in-crime. He'll be a badass.

@robbybedfart:

Garp is raising Coby to be the Marine he always wanted Luffy and Ace to be.

Especially after Ace's death, I think Garp would be extra serious about passing down his ideals and strengths, particularly with a good hearted kid like Coby who is Luffy's friend, despite their opposite stances.

Coby will be a monster.

A grandmaster of Rokushiki. Make it happen, Oda.

[Rori]

I actually think Coby and Smoker are like Garp split tho

Smoker - doesn't want to be promoted, cornered Luffy few times
Coby - considers Luffy as an enemy and friend, he has no devil fruit power

but this two lacks Garp's main trait easygoing.

[brennen.exe]

@blue-san:

I dont often create threads, but this simply doesnt give me peace in my head.

I think this thread would be better put in the Marines thread since we generally don't allow character threads. Exceptions can be made, however, so if the thread keeps up activity then I don't see the harm. If not, we can always merge it later.

@blue-san:

Now as we know Coby has a goal to become a Marine Admiral. Luffy also said, he better does if he wants to stop him. So my question would be. Do you think Coby will ever become strong enough to face Luffy, to hold him off, to be on equal footing with him and so on?

I know it's cliche and a little corny, but ever since Ace died I've been hoping Coby would find the Mera Mera Fruit. It would follow the trend of Admirals having a logia, would give him a necessary power boost, and would give us and Luffy peace of mind that somebody worthwhile inherited Ace's powers. Another logia or fruit power could work as well*, but I like the idea of Coby eventually surpassing Akainu while using the same abilities Akainu mocked Ace for.

As for post-skip, I'm hoping for Vice Admiral Coby and Rear Admiral Helmeppo. Maybe one rank lower for each.

[Rori]

Vice Admiral Coby sounds good, and poor Helmeppo always one step behind.

[grunk]

He'll be an admiral, get a mastodon zoan and be called "Pinkuzu. (pink elephant) "

!

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@Sea:

That doesn't mean he is the protagonist. He will only be the protagonist if he always helps Luffy to fight against the same foes, which he doesn't.
Coby will represent or create obstacles that the protagonist(Luffy) must overcome. That is what makes him an antagonist. Antagonists are not necessarily bad, just against the protagonists at some point. Very different from villain. L, for example, is an antagonist. Or Sasaki Kojirō in Vagabond.
Coby can also be a Deuteragonist

Yeah not good choice of words on my side :happy:
Maybe i should say it that way..
He is the one who could also be followed over the series just that than the manga would follow the dream of a guy in the marines and not as a pirate.
He isn`t rly THAT important in the story but he is like a Anti-Luffy who actually share the same interest\goals (achieving their freedom) but use differnt ways to achieve them(those who are possible in the world of OP).

@brennen.exe:

I know it's cliche and a little corny, but ever since Ace died I've been hoping Coby would find the Mera Mera Fruit. It would follow the trend of Admirals having a logia, would give him a necessary power boost, and would give us and Luffy peace of mind that somebody worthwhile inherited Ace's powers. Another logia or fruit power could work as well*, but I like the idea of Coby eventually surpassing Akainu while using the same abilities Akainu mocked Ace for.

I rly like the point that Coby could get a DF power to power up and to close a bit the gap to Luffy.
But than the fire-DF as the one he gets?^^
Hope that wont happen. Getting a Logia fruit would be maybe fitting for a future admiral but that much of a power boost would definitely be to much for Coby in my eyes. Giving him a Paramecia fruit like Luffy and Coby using that fruit to its full limit would be more fitting.

[Selph]

Actually, I thought Coby and Helmeppo would always become part of the crew one day. Derp.
However it would require that they would realise how rotten the WG is. A better solution for me would be that they would take over once WG has been beaten.

Even Gold Roger got to the end and couldn't do anything (Rayleigh said so)

I think they would make a good spot at the last two positions remaining (Helmsman, Cabinboy) or something like that. They're rokushiki users after all.

Please don't shoot me

[blue-san]

Interesting, to read. I on the other hand dont wish for him to get the Fire Logia. I would reather he is like Garp, a guy without a DF, but it is practically set in stone as well (imo) he ll get the Fire Logia like brennen said he would.

We could see Garp getting it since Ace was his "grand-son" and him deciding on who should have it. And Coby getting it as a great potential for Marines and one of rare who doesnt have a DF yet.

Would reather for instance see Anyone of SHs getting it

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@blue-san:

I would reather he is like Garp, a guy without a DF, but it is practically set in stone as well (imo) he ll get the Fire Logia like brennen said he would.
We could see Garp getting it since Ace was his "grand-son" and him deciding on who should have it. And Coby getting it as a great potential for Marines and one of rare who doesnt have a DF yet.

Did i miss something..where exactly does Garp get the fire-DF?
As far as we havent met Vegapunk we dont know exactly how DFs develop again after their former user died.
And with that we cant be sure that Garp can even get it easily to decide whos gonna get it next^^
So your speculation would imply that out of the dead body the new DF grows, but even than Ace`s grave is open for everybody..:ninja:

[Captain Morgantown]

I like the idea of the parallels of Smoker and Garp to Luffy and Roger, but in regards to Coby, there's been another parallel floating around in my head(though I'm not sure ifcthis has been discussed before or not).

I like the idea of Coby being a parallel to Sengoku. I could definitely see Sengoku being Roger's "Coby", especially after seeing his respect to Shanks at the end of the war.

[Mikan]

It's been clear that Coby's going to be an admiral by the end since Water 7. I predict he'll be a commodore (give or take one position either up or down) post timeskip - a mid-level position. A big progression, but nothing that puts him too far ahead.

I like the idea of the parallels of Smoker and Garp to Luffy and Roger, but in regards to Coby, there's been another parallel floating around in my head(though I'm not sure ifcthis has been discussed before or not).

I like the idea of Coby being a parallel to Sengoku. I could definitely see Sengoku being Roger's "Coby", especially after seeing his respect to Shanks at the end of the war.

I think it's the opposite - Smoker is more similar to Sengoku. Smoker has the same sort of distant respect for Luffy. Garp and Roger were more like friends - Roger trusted his child with him.

Garp is training Coby while Roger's first mate trains Luffy (and both are learning the same thing at the same time.) It would be boring if Luffy's life was just an exact parallel of Roger's, so it doesn't fit perfectly, but it looks like that is the resemblence Oda's going for.

[Ryuksgelus]

@Rori:

Vice Admiral Coby sounds good, and poor Helmeppo always one step behind.

I really doubt Coby will be above Commodore after the timeskip. Vice Admiral is out of the question. Vice Admirals should be near the top even in the New World. Only strong infamous captains like Squado, Declaven Bro., Thunderlord, Doma, etc. being able to contend with them.

Luffy even with a power-up will still be a Rookie entering the New World. No way Coby will be way ahead of Luffy status wise post Timeskip. We'll become a VA near the EOtS when Luffy is fully acknowledged as one of the closest to OP.