What position does he hold in the Red Hair Pirates?
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I don't think they ever mentioned it…but I would think a second mate.
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I'm pretty sure Ben Beckman is the second mate.
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I think Beckman is First mate.
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Jul 23 2005, 05:00 PM
I'm pretty sure Ben Beckman is the second mate.
Maybe he's the chef. :)
[snapback]94958[/snapback]I know Beckman is 1st mate. But now that you mention he could be the chef
seeing as how he's always eating. :unsure:
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Oh, my bad, I was just getting the termanology wrong. I was thinking first mate and second mate as the same thing for some reason. XD
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Everyone knows that I'm his first nakama. -__-
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My theories about the three major Red Hair Pirates' posistions other than Shanks and Ben Beckman (because we know what they are already) go like this:
Lucky Roux - Chef (He always has the meat with him, overall looks like he fits the position)
Yasopp - Gunner (Kind of obvious)
Rockstar - Helmsman (Looks like he has the strength to be a Helmsman.. I'm kind of guessing moreso on this one than the others)So yeah, probably chef. But you never know, Oda could surprise us with anything.
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It would make sense if he is the chef. And rockstar being the helmsman is not a
:D bad idea exept that the red hairs have have moved on sea for so long.
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I think Rockstar's just a rank-and-file soldier, albeit one with a bounty higher than Zoro's. He could be a Helmsman, though. Maybe their old one got killed in battle or something.
Lucky Roo is probably either a Chef or a Second Mate; maybe both.
Yasopp is their head Sharpshooter, likely…
Ben Beckman: First Mate, which is obvious.
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Rockstar is a curious one, you gotta wonder what he did to get a 90 million bounty, and why the Red Hair pirates would ask him to join. Maybe he's a musician. Or just likes energy drinks. XD
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Actually if you went by name alone Rockstar being a musician makes a lot more sense.
Man, I hope we see more of the Red Hair Pirates soon.. can't wait until they start to play a larger role.
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I think
Shanks-Captian
Ben Beckman-Gunman
Lucky Roux-Chef
Yassop-Sniper
Rockstar-MessangerThat's how I see it
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Shanks:Captian
Ben Beckman: 1st Mate
Lucky Roo:Chef
Yassop:Sniper
Rockstar:Musistion or helmsman or messenger? :D
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I don't think a crew really needs a gunner and a sniper.. do they?
And this is just a question about the hierarchy of pirates.. do First Mates generally hold other positions besides being First Mate? For example, could they be a helmsman/chef/gunner and First Mate?
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Originally posted by Lune Racht@Jul 23 2005, 07:13 PM
**I don't think a crew really needs a gunner and a sniper.. do they?And this is just a question about the hierarchy of pirates.. do First Mates generally hold other positions besides being First Mate? For example, could they be a helmsman/chef/gunner and First Mate?
[snapback]95073[/snapback]**You can. Zoro is first mate and swordsman :D
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Oh, that's right. Maybe Beckman has a role besides First Mate, too, then. In that case maybe they do have a sniper and gunner (Yasopp and Beckman.) Or he could just be the badass and not have to do anything else because he's awesome.
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I've always gone by the assumption that Zoro is first mate, because people always say that, but where was it actually said that Zoro is the first mate? Funny, Nami usually acts more like a first mate should. :lol:
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Well, he is the first guy Luffy recruited..
Thus he is the first mate. I don't think the postion is more complicated than that.. at least not to my knowledge.
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I think it's because he was the first one to join Luffy's gang.
I think Rockstar is just some low ranking bum on Shanks' crew.
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It was my understanding that first mate was about rank and responsibility, not about who joined first.
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Back near jolly old england when they're really were pirates running amuck the
first person in a crew would be considered first mate because in england mate
means friend. Thats why i always thought he was first mate since he was first to
join the crew. :D
And Rockstar is not a bum :P
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I always thought Lucky Roux was the navigator.
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Hmm, it could be. I'm not big on pirate hierarchy so I can't really tell you for sure who's right. :blink: Usually the first guy to join, I'm assuming, would be someone strong and responsible enough to help get the pirate crew started.. so we could both be right.
Edit: This was in response to Cosmic's post.. I really should start quoting people and stop assuming I'll post before everyone else. :huh:
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Originally posted by taboo@Jul 23 2005, 07:30 PM
I always thought Lucky Roux was the navigator.
[snapback]95094[/snapback]Nah, Luffy's crew is the only one i know where the caption does not navigate. :D
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Jul 23 2005, 07:28 PM
It was my understanding that first mate was about rank and responsibility, not about who joined first.
[snapback]95092[/snapback]That makes sense since all the 1st mates we've seen so far are either close to or
rivaling the power of their capton. :D
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I'm curious. Where was it mentioned that Ben Beckman is the first mate?
Oda might go wacky and surprise us all by saying that Lucky Roux is the first mate. :D
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I tried finding a definition of what a first mate is, but I didn't get a solid one. Basically it boils down to the person second in command on the ship. Think it this way, if the captain is for some reason is unable to command, the authority will go to the first mate.Since the hierarchy of the Mugiwara Pirates is a bit blotchy (I guess the correct adjective is actually non-existent, except for the common knowledge that Luffy is the captain), then there's actually no real first mate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Mate
If Luffy's incapacitated, who do you think the command will go to?
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I guess in the end it should be Zoro, based on the way he's handled certain situation. Like in the situation of you-know-what, when he told Luffy not to waiver with his decision. He understands what it is to be a captain. So even though Zoro isn't the most pro-active guy, I think in terms with his understanding and relationship with Luffy, he's the best 1st mate. Even though Nami does call the shots a lot of the time. Sometimes I think the crew would really fall apart without her. :)
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I'v been thinking about it and it makes sense that Zoro is the first mate.Nami gets
to tell them what to to under certain situations because she is the navigator, like
when going up the knock-up stream.But in a serious situation when liffy is'nt
around Zoro usually takes command, like before luffy's first fight with
crocodile. :D
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I'm curious. Where was it mentioned that Ben Beckman is the first mate?
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I think his name might be intended to be "Lucky Lou," but I dunno. I don't have any of those fancy One Piece Red/Blue books.
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Ah, good call, taboo. :)
As for the name, the American manga spells it Lucky Roux, but then, I don't necessarily trust the spelling of names in the American manga. ;)
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oi oi your all forgetting that they have a perfectly good replacment captain :P
CAPTAIN USOPP :D
nah but seriously i belive that nami is the one on the SH crew who would take command if luffy should be un-able to command,
Zoro just doesnt have what it takes to be a captain and bark orders at people hes more of a follower who does what is ordered to him, -
Of course, the SHADOW CAPTAIN. He's not the captain, but he looks like a captain. That's why they all call him captain. :lol:
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Ah, good call, taboo.
Thank you. :) It's the only volume of One Piece I have so I know it pretty well. :3
Huh! I didn't know Lucky Roux was the American spelling of his name! I learned his name from someone online. They also said it was Lucky Rouge? :/ Peh, I'll just call him Lucky from now on. x3
Of course, the SHADOW CAPTAIN. He's not the captain, but he looks like a captain. That's why they all call him captain.
sore ga otoko no hanamichi!
sore ga ikiru michi
hito wa kage no captain to yobu…
Captain Usopp!
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Hehe, I love Usopp No Hanamichi. I was thinking partly of that but the rest of the quote came from Skypiea, I think he was talking to Pagaya when he was going through his tools.
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Originally posted by wolfwood@Jul 25 2005, 11:04 PM
**oi oi your all forgetting that they have a perfectly good replacment captain :PCAPTAIN USOPP :D
nah but seriously i belive that nami is the one on the SH crew who would take command if luffy should be un-able to command,
Zoro just doesnt have what it takes to be a captain and bark orders at people hes more of a follower who does what is ordered to him,
[snapback]96653[/snapback]**Actuallt zoro has taken command is serious situations when luffy is absent :D
 
