Chapter 594: "Message" Discussion

Get_It_Memorized

Earlier in the thread, there was some discussion about whether the World Government would listen to Sengoku's recommendation and appoint Aokiji as the next ~~top model~~ fleet admiral, or whether they would choose Akainu instead.

I believe that they'll go with Aokiji, if only for a while. As the story progresses, though, I can see the already-corrupt government and Marines growing steadily more corrupt, power-hungry, and desperate. Aokiji will somehow lose his position (either by dying or defecting from the Marines) and Akainu will take things over after that.

I'd like to see some of the Marines uncover the corruption of the World Government and form a group of renegades. In this group I can see Aokiji, Smoker, Tashigi, Hina, Jango, Fullbody, Coby, and Helmeppo, all of whom are, on several occasions, shown to be less than dedicated to Akainu's brand of justice.

Bree

this chapter was good. i'm so glad that coby has haki, his character was already one of my favorites before, now it's just like omgwat. he's really going to become big in the marines one of these days!

also, i think it's time to change my MSN icon to franky's fucked up face, lol.

whoever thought the big news would be luffy and hancock getting married should just feel bad, that idea was horrible to begin with. i love it when OP fans argue passionately about whether or not something's going to happen when they should just shut up and wait for a week. >_>

Kishido

@Bree:

this chapter was good. i'm so glad that coby has haki, his character was already one of my favorites before, now it's just like omgwat. he's really going to become big in the marines one of these days!

also, i think it's time to change my MSN icon to franky's fucked up face, lol.

whoever thought the big news would be luffy and hancock getting married should just feel bad, that idea was horrible to begin with. i love it when OP fans argue passionately about whether or not something's going to happen when they should just shut up and wait for a week. >_>

Yeah and with this chapter my hoped for Sanji and Zoro learning haki are raised

Sabo

@Bree:

this chapter was good. i'm so glad that coby has haki, his character was already one of my favorites before, now it's just like omgwat. he's really going to become big in the marines one of these days!

also, i think it's time to change my MSN icon to franky's fucked up face, lol.

I loved his reaction to haki

Also I already did that Franky MSN thing! Mwahaha!!!

Bree

@KiShiDo:

Yeah and with this chapter my hoped for Sanji and Zoro learning haki are raised

lol, maybe if sanji gets haki he'll be able to finally lose his virginity.

Locks

Don't know if this has been brought up at all. But what if the reporters and what not who were on the scene and took pictures of luffy got a good view of the tattoo and wrote what it said in the paper? That way the tattoo could be a valid message.Since they could -read- it in the article.

Snowflake

Some people mentioned Enel and the Lightning Island, which I found weird. The reason I thought of Enel was the Capone sequence. The moon is pretty small (and has engines!) was my first thought. It could very well be a weird island though and I'm starting to think that way.

I'm not sure I buy that tattoo theory. Why take the chance on something that might very well not be reported? Hell, we can't even see the whole tattoo properly.

One_Phantom_Star_Hero

Off topic but;In my opinion this chapter was really interesting and exciting, it feels like One Piece will be turning into something bigger and better in the coming chapters.

Anyway, it seems the tattoo was most likely the message, even though we can't see it from a clear-enough angle. I say in the next chapter Oda will reveal what the tattoo really means.

EDIT: Oh man! I forgot about that sixteen bells thing! How gullible of me! XD

But seriously, now that I think about it, either the sixteen rings and the tattoo are connected somehow, or Luffy did it as a tribute to Ace and Sabo. Most likely the latter.

grimmjow05

the tatoo doesn't mean squat IMHO. how many times in the chapter was the tatoo even mentioned? cus the message is a full circle and 16 bells, even the dark king said so himself, the whole thing relies on Luffy's weird actions. we didn't hear him say anything bout "Boy, i sure hope they see that tatoo", just sayin.

Bucephalus

read the chapter in a hurry yesterday at my uncle's shitty computer

gonna give it a slower, more focused read later on today

pretty glad that my theory that boa would get married to luffy was wrong. thank god

Vauny

I wonder if perhaps the inclusion of the other supanovas getting into fights represents that there will be a brief period where the story will shift focus onto their crews… Thus essentially creating a short "time skip" for the SH in which to get stronger.

Of course I don't mean a solid time skip a la Naruto, what I mean is more, maybe 3 or 4 months (in OP time) will pass while we read about Kid and Uroge and etc, during this time the SH are training, I say this because I can't see either a full time skip or a training montage fitting in with one piece's story style.

Blackluffy

I Hope Garp and Sengoku are Revolutionaries.That would probally be The Biggest Plot Twist in One Piece history.

AGOG

I believe that Kong never even gets a fight scene…

Green Monkey

@Vauny:

I wonder if perhaps the inclusion of the other supanovas getting into fights represents that there will be a brief period where the story will shift focus onto their crews… Thus essentially creating a short "time skip" for the SH in which to get stronger.

Of course I don't mean a solid time skip a la Naruto, what I mean is more, maybe 3 or 4 months (in OP time) will pass while we read about Kid and Uroge and etc, during this time the SH are training, I say this because I can't see either a full time skip or a training montage fitting in with one piece's story style.

Highly doubt it. The focus of the manga has never switched off the SH's for more than a chapter or so and I don't see why it would happen now. It would also be pretty annoying…if there is a time skip i just want time to be skipped. I dont want to have to read a month of supernova BS.

Also, about the dark absolute justice thing. It seems inconceivable in the real world since it is taken to such an extreme in this manga, but it does exist and is not totally useless and saying it doesn't make sense is ridiculous. Absolute justice can mean many things, and absolute justice wouldn't mean Akainu would have to kill Coby, he could just as easily walk around him since in all likelyhood he is 100x faster than the speed coby can even conceive. Killing innocents when it is not needed is no way in hell absolute justice. Absolute Justice is getting the job done no matter what, it doesn't mean purposely killing innocents when there are ways around doing that while still completing the job.

Renegadesoul

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Bucephalus

@Blackluffy:

I Hope Garp and Sengoku are Revolutionaries.That would probally be The Biggest Plot Twist in One Piece history.

lol

lol
lololololololololol

dumbest theory of the year

Sea

@Blackluffy:

I Hope Garp and Sengoku are Revolutionaries.That would probally be The Biggest Plot Twist in One Piece history.

No that would be the biggest fail-feast in One Piece history.

Blackluffy

Garp and Sengoku being Revolutionaries make since cause Dragon was calling all his Revolutionaries from across The World and Garp and Sengoku happens to quit around the same time.I hope its true cause then Garp can finally get his hands around Akainu.

venom demon

u can somewhat make out an sa2y on luffys tattoo so i think it has two meanings the S and A mean sabo and ace but also mean shabaody at
then the 2 and the y stand for two years meaning shabaody at 2 years and thats the message the crew got but i could be 100% wrong just my theory

Sea

@Blackluffy:

Garp and Sengoku being Revolutionaries make since cause Dragon was calling all his Revolutionaries from across The World and Garp and Sengoku happens to quit around the same time.I hope its true cause then Garp can finally get his hands around Akainu.

There is a huge difference between "They are revolutionaries" and "They will become revolutionaries".
Whatever, unlikely.

rensquared

@Sammsy:

a tiemline seems dumb though

what if brook needs a month at best to get back? what if zoro can't get off island, ect.

luffy has no way of knowing how long they need to return. a PLACE would make more sense for a message.

Is it possible that the meaning of the 16 bell rings is that they will meet in Saboady Archipelago area 16?

And that is where Kuma will take sunny?

Zik

@Blackluffy:

I Hope Garp and Sengoku are Revolutionaries.That would probally be The Biggest Plot Twist in One Piece history.

@Blackluffy:

Garp and Sengoku being Revolutionaries make since cause Dragon was calling all his Revolutionaries from across The World and Garp and Sengoku happens to quit around the same time.I hope its true cause then Garp can finally get his hands around Akainu.

Wow. Why are ppl still pushing for Garp to be a traitor? And now Sengoku? That wouldn't be a good plot twist it'd just be one that'd ruin their characters.
@Bucephalus:

lol

lol
lololololololololol

dumbest theory of the year

Lets not pretend like you didn't theorize "Luffy announced he'd marry Hancock in the news" last week.

Pink-Ranger

The emphasis is on the 16 rings, not the round trip or praying for his brother, it's unusual for him to even plan such a ritual. It's pretty much pointless to guess on what 16 bells could mean and the countless ways the numbers can be arranged/manipulated.

All we know is the crew won't return any time soon and that what luffy is asking them of is to ignore their feelings somehow (the need to see him?).

The tat looks like the one ace has, wouldn't make any sense for luffy to have it though.

.Robin

@venom:

u can somewhat make out an sa2y on luffys tattoo so i think it has two meanings the S and A mean sabo and ace but also mean shabaody at
then the 2 and the y stand for two years meaning shabaody at 2 years and thats the message the crew got but i could be 100% wrong just my theory

I thought something similar…

Maybe, 16 bell ring + tattoo = At the beginning of the Next year at Sunny
About the year 'cause of what Killer & Nami said, but i'm not sure about Robin.

Jannekeman

@Blackluffy:

Garp and Sengoku being Revolutionaries make since cause Dragon was calling all his Revolutionaries from across The World and Garp and Sengoku happens to quit around the same time.I hope its true cause then Garp can finally get his hands around Akainu.

I have a feeling that CP9 will become revolutionaries, but I doubt Garp and Sengoku would. That would be a tad bit overkill.

Mr. Habaneroo

Why do people insist on the tattoo being the message? It would just be impractical as all hell if it were. It's more than likely to be the bells and the bells only. And besides, it wo…...

@Blackluffy:

I Hope Garp and Sengoku are Revolutionaries.That would probally be The Biggest Plot Twist in One Piece history.

What am I reading?

Zik

@Mr.:

What am I reading?

Kubo Tite's version of One Piece.

Corson D. Burley

@Zik:

Kubo Tite's version of One Piece.

That almost made me choke. Nice.

Bucephalus

@Zik:

Lets not pretend like you didn't theorize "Luffy announced he'd marry Hancock in the news" last week.

'cept that I backed my theory up with potential evidence
as opposed to GARP AND SENGOKU ARE REVOLUTIONARIES ALL ALONG which would go against every action they've taken in this entire series; that's fucking garbage

and i still believe there's a chance Hancock will propose to Luffy, along with a possible marriage

Zik

@Bucephalus:

'cept that I backed my theory up with potential evidence
as opposed to GARP AND SENGOKU ARE REVOLUTIONARIES ALL ALONG which would go against every action they've taken in this entire series; that's fucking garbage

and i still believe there's a chance Hancock will propose to Luffy, along with a possible marriage

There is no evidence of Hancock and Luffy getting married and it being public for the world to see.

It's unfortunate what possibilities you're currently concerned with.

Bucephalus

@Zik:

There is no evidence of Hancock and Luffy getting married and it being public for the world to see.

I'm still not ignoring the bottom part of this page: http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/71384529/5
and Hancock's infatuation is inevitably going to lead up to some sort of crescendo

and it being public doesn't really matter at all

Mr. Habaneroo

@Bucephalus:

I'm still not ignoring the bottom part of this page: http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/71384529/5
and Hancock's infatuation is inevitably going to lead up to some sort of crescendo

and it being public doesn't really matter at all

Except the theory was that the big news would be them getting married.

WhiteEagle

Quoting myself on the tattoo/armband message chapter:
OH MY GOD GUYS I THINK I GOT IT
We're such IDIOTS!!
He said "3 days" til they meet back, right?
NO, 2 YEARS

It's 3D crossed out, 2Y below!

Bucephalus

@Mr.:

Except the theory was that the big news would be them getting married.

okay?

and i admitted a few posts ago that I'm glad that that wasn't what the news was

all i'm claiming now is that Hancock will, at the very least, propose to Luffy
i'm not trying to say UHH MAYBE ODA WAS WRONG NO THE NEWS IS THAT HANCOCK DID GET MARRIED TO LUFFY ITS ALL A LIE

the news doesn't have anything to do with what I'm talking about now

toiim

Oh yeah. This chapter was really good. I like The mobster's fruit, but don't like his character, and sorta want him to die.

Zik

@Bucephalus:

I'm still not ignoring the bottom part of this page: http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/71384529/5
and Hancock's infatuation is inevitably going to lead up to some sort of crescendo

and it being public doesn't really matter at all

That's irrelevant to what could've been in the paper. None of that makes your theory not dumb. Nor is it evidence for what could've been in the paper after we knew Ray had some plan in store for Luffy to do.

If you don't think it being public matters it's a good thing the chapters themselves shot down your dumb theory.

Bucephalus

@Zik:

That's irrelevant to what could've been in the paper. None of that makes your theory not dumb. Nor is it evidence for what could've been in the paper after we knew Ray had some plan in store for Luffy to do.

If you don't think it being public matters it's a good thing the chapters themselves shot down your dumb theory.

go read my previous posts if you actually want some of my evidence

all I'm saying now (nothing to do with any news whatsoever, mind you), is that Hancock will propose and possibly promise to marry Luffy sometime in the future

i'm not even talking about the news in the slightest right now, so i have no idea why you keep bumbling around, bringing it up with every new post as if it actually has anything to do with what I'm talking about

Mr. Habaneroo

@Bucephalus:

okay?

and i admitted a few posts ago that I'm glad that that wasn't what the news was

all i'm claiming now is that Hancock will, at the very least, propose to Luffy
i'm not trying to say UHH MAYBE ODA WAS WRONG NO THE NEWS IS THAT HANCOCK DID GET MARRIED TO LUFFY ITS ALL A LIE

the news doesn't have anything to do with what I'm talking about now

I see. I thought you were still talking about the theory about the news being them getting married.

Locks

One piece is all about dreams. And if this guy Dreams of Boa and Luffy hooking up or something let him dream! The dream will be shattered only if it doesn't happen once one piece ends!

Bucephalus

@Locks:

One piece is all about dreams. And if this guy Dreams of Boa and Luffy hooking up or something let him dream! The dream will be shattered only if it doesn't happen once one piece ends!

i don't know whether to ridicule this post or praise it

i think i'll go with the latter

your awkward and robotic way of writing reminds me of HEATXZ (was that his name?), who I just loved to hate

Zik

@Bucephalus:

go read my previous posts if you actually want some of my evidence

all I'm saying now (nothing to do with any news whatsoever, mind you), is that Hancock will propose and possibly promise to marry Luffy sometime in the future

i'm not even talking about the news in the slightest right now, so i have no idea why you keep bumbling around, bringing it up with every new post as if it actually has anything to do with what I'm talking about

Didn't you just post your "evidence"? The theory was dumb then and it's dumb now.

Well I'm not really focusing on this new theory you happen to be suggesting. I just find it hypocritical for a person to make a dumb theory and then call someone else's dumb theory the dumbest ever. I'm sure that person could provide "evidence" of Garp wanting to attack Akainu and Sengoku's response to them covering up the ID breakout as them becoming traitors and it seems just as dumb to me.

Bucephalus

anyyyyywaaaaaayyyyyy

I imagine that the next chapter will give us a glimpse of what the rest of the Supernovas are doing currently

I'm really digging all of their characters right now, and I'm so glad that they'll most likely be in it until the very end

based off Bonney's actions during the war, I bet BB's tracking down her, so maybe we'll see her confront him next chapter

Kidd's becoming a regular badass motherfucker. Being the first character to crucify some bitches makes him that much more awesome.

Killer's still without a doubt my least favorite SN, but I still dig his design and character

Basil Hawkins is still awesome, and he just pushed up like three places on the SN ranking list for killing that gigantic maggot, Brownbeard

Urouge and Capone (anyone who believes Capone actually kicked the bucket is a moron) seem to be out on some cool adventures. Both of those islands looked cool as hell, and I really hope that the Strawhat's will venture there in the future. Perhaps Urouge and Capone will be stuck on their respective islands and the Strawhats will give them some help? Sort of unlikely, but by the end of the series, Luffy needs to have met and formed some form of relationship between all of the Supernovas. Only ones he's really done that with so far are Law and Kidd.

@Zik:

Didn't you just post your "evidence"? The theory was dumb then and it's dumb now.

If you're truly jonesing for my lackluster, yet slightly more detailed evidence, go root around in the last chapter thread

stuff

cool

henry

i don't think anyone can get anything from the writing on his arm at that angle, as someone pointed out earlier - first two letters looks like they have a big cross, but you only see half of it, yet it looks almost like a complete S. beeing such a big event there just might be more pictures we haven't seen.
i do believe the message got something to do with all of it, circling with the marine ship, ringing the bells and the 'tattoo' (though i think it's an armband, darn.. why does it have to be in black and white..). what to make of all of it i don't know.. seen many theorys that seem sorta plausible, had some of my own which hasn't really been brought up completely, but i think as of now i'm leaning to luffy telling them to lay low until the new year starts. mainly because they already know where to go (albeit him sending a clear message probably would be easier to follow then some vivre card), and what killer said about the last/new year. though then they would need to know about marine traditions, but i don't think it would be too farfetched that they do.. zoro might need some help though i find it more reliable than let's meet in 16 days/weeks/months since it's to unclear. ah well, have to give it some more thoughts though i've been reading this thread for hours now so better get some sleep.

ah, one last thing.. noone has really said much about kuma, but those who has seems to think he's still trustable? that's not at all the feeling i got from last chapter, and there was no answer in this. feeling kinda uneasy about it, but i don't think it's something shakky can't handle. it's not like something would happen to the ship.

WhiteEagle

Now that I've cracked the code on that armband
That was fun!
Oda was playing a game with us readers. He should do that more often. It's fun because it was actually possible to figure out, unlike a lot of his stuff
Good job Oda!

Bucephalus

@WhiteEagle:

Now that I've cracked the code on that armband
That was fun!
Oda was playing a game with us readers. He should do that more often. It's fun because it was actually possible to figure out, unlike a lot of his stuff
Good job Oda!

that 3D2Y thing has about as much credibility as my belief last week that the news was Hancock and Luffy's marriage

Zik

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henry

@Bucephalus:

that 3D2Y thing has about as much credibility as my belief last week that the news was Hancock and Luffy's marriage

actually that wouldn't be totally crazy, except for the letters beeing in roman.
one could combine it with the circling around marineford+ringing 8+8 meaning new year+1. nothing i support though, mainly cuz i don't want such a big time skip.