I read once an book with a 18 year old girl marrying a 68 year old dude . My point is Oda does his own thing and he always will. I doubt any opinions of people would change that
Chapter 593: "News" Discussion
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A lot of people seem to be forgeting how Chopper said "Not again!" unless he just meant in the paper, but it seemed to be something that happened before. Luffy didn't get married before.
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@Dream:
A lot of people seem to be forgeting how Chopper said "Not again!" unless he just meant in the paper, but it seemed to be something that happened before. Luffy didn't get married before.
Unless there was a missing chapter where the crew went to Fire Island, and certain things happened.
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@Dream:
A lot of people seem to be forgeting how Chopper said "Not again!" unless he just meant in the paper, but it seemed to be something that happened before. Luffy didn't get married before.
He said What now?! Not Not again!
Seriously, this has been corrected dozens of times now…
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Unless there was a missing chapter where the crew went to Fire Island, and certain things happened.
We are about to get more flash back. :ninja:
He said What now?! Not Not again!
Seriously, this has been corrected dozens of times now…
Well, I guess I wasn't here when it was corrected. What did he say then?
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Wrong, it would be pulling a Dragon Ball.
Which btw had far less of a hint than OP in this case.We all know that Oda was influenced by Toriyama, but that does not mean he is going to do stuff like Toriyama. In my mind Oda has surpassed his role model by leaps and bounds, in the simple fact that all the characters are actually usefull.
Basically just because DB did it does not mean that OP is going to do it.
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@Dream:
Well, I guess I wasn't here when it was corrected. What did he say then?
Lit. the phrase means "What, again?" but it's an idiom that is used in common speech to mean "What now?!?"
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About kuma charging his lazer where they left off, he could have been blasting the people trying to steal the ship i mean he has been a big help to the strawhats so far.
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I read once an book with a 18 year old girl marrying a 68 year old dude . My point is Oda does his own thing and he always will. I doubt any opinions of people would change that
ODA WILL DO LITERALLY ANYTHING SILLY RATIONAL PEOPLE
-every bad poster ever
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- It says he is dragons son in todays newspaper
- He disapeared after the war but than suddenly reappeared and pulled off that big stunt…! (Btw: good to know here that A STUNT is any remarkable feat performed chiefly to attract attention:
(shockerd revolutionaries)
- Robin figures the news as amusing and laughs at the sight (Robin amused)
-What could the intentions behind this possibly be?Oh my!
-Have you seen the newspaper today SH surprised me again- unprecedented as his father (now here I would like to "warn" AP forums that unprecedented on the other hand would basically be used for something without previous instance; never before known or experienced; unexampled or unparalleled: an unprecedented event.)
(surprised Ivankov)
- Ehh!!? Luffy (shocked Sanju)
- Hatchan shakey Camie and others found out he is alright in todays newspaper and Shackey coments it looks like (most probably from the news) that Rayleigh met with Luffy.
- Vivi read the article with a strained expression.
- Stylish, nah I guess not! (or basically is it for fashion)
- Right after getting their lives saved, just what are they thinking those idiots
- they must be planing something or they must be mad
- is that what you think? SH is wounded. Do wounds disappear that easily
- Choper says why again?
So we cant really use the above to determine what luffy did. We can only use it as a confirmation or negation of the thesis.
So lets try with the most commonly used on this forum:
Thesis A Luffy marries Boa
2. it is an act that attracts attention so it can be called a stunt
3. we could believe marrying Boa amuzes Robin
4. Ivankov believes there is an intention behind the act itself. Since Ivankov does NOT know Boa helped Luffy it is hard to believe she would see any intention behind it- something unprecedented?Something that was not seen before? Marrying someone…ok perhaps because she is a Shichibukai, still...
5. Would Sanji be shoced to see Luffy marrying Boa or would he freak out? Difference? If he is shocked than it is about something serious. If he freaks out than it is something semi comic. Sanji would most probably freaked out at the sight of Luffy marrying amazon prinecess
any way I would stop comparing here as I believe THESIS A was "shaken" enough
Thesis B Luffy declares amazon Lily as his teritory
2. it can be called a stunt
3. we could see it amuzing to Robin
4. definitely there would have to be some intention behind it so hance Ivankov reaction is appropriate.- something uprecendented, never seen before? Yeah well WB has done that so not quite…
5. Sanji could be shoced by it sure
6. If Ray told Shackey he ll advise Luffy in that direction than it can be seen as a proof he met luffy
7. is it for fashion? Well that one would flow but hardly
8. Right after getting their lives saved just what are they thinking? That part would suit.
They must be planning something? Right would flow, however Crocodile says They. Since in the case of this theory it is just Luffy this presents another counter argument.
9. Why again, or even not again said by Chopper doesnt go well into this.
10. As number ten I ll give my personal opinion based on pure logic based on how OP world seems to work. Well Luffy doing that would be kind of strange. for many reasons and even if he wanted to distract the marines with it. It wouldnt work well. Marines would not need to send much of their troops to handle with the "incident"
Thesis C Luffy…
We need to figure this out (well need) I think none of the so far presented thesis holds the water like it should. Not even the Luffy attacked Boa or any other for that matter...
I have been thinking about this a lot. Still no idea
- he couldnt have gone far because of the 1 week limit so that basically means he did it most likely in Amazon Lily that would imo be safe to asume
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If Luffy married Boa, there's nothing unprecedented about that.
The key elements in that scenario are:
- People getting married
- A women of AL falling in "love" with a man
- A shichibukai betraying the WG
- High profile pirates allying with and aiding Luffy
None of that is unprecedented or all that shocking at this point. The crew or people who know Luffy might be shocked if he up and got married, but no one else would have a reason to be shocked at that development.
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maybe he made a tatoo just like ace
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Only a few more days until we know for sure (maybe).
I can really see how a character like Sadi-chan came to be out of Oda's imagination.
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Maybe Luffy just did something to mess with the WG, like mock them, or vandalized some property of theirs.
Don't see how that would help out with his situation though, lol.
Or maybe he somehow took control of the Pacifista.
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maybe he made a tatoo just like ace
or like his fatherWow! That really deserves an article on the news…
Not.
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Ok. I'm going to try and settle this as much as I possibly can. It is extremely unlikely that Luffy will be marrying Boa. Someone earlier asked me for evidence, so I'll give everything I could find.
1. While reading the paper, Crocodile comment that THEY were at it again so soon. THEY would be implying Jimbei and Luffy, seeing as how Croc had absolutely no knowledge of the connection between Boa and Luffy.
2. When Chopper was reading the paper, he said "No, not again" And since Luffy has not gotten married ever before, the marriage could not have been what tony was so suprised at.
3. It would not at all solve the problem of the SH being targeted again once they arrived on Sabody. Although it would distract the Marines somewhat, they are bound to have spies and marines stationed on Sabody to alert them when the SH arrive.
4. It would unnesicarily endanger Amazon Lily.
A. It would cause the marines to go searching there for Luffy, and given how much of a threat Luffy is now, they would most likely send an admiral (most likely Akainu)
B. Hancock would most likely lose her status as Schicibukai, and even if they didn't find Luffy there, it would probably remain a target for the marines.5. Rayleigh had obviously thought of a plan ahead of time when he told luffy the same things would happen at sabody again. Since Rayleigh at that point had no knowledge of Hancock being in love with luffy, that couldn't have been his again.
6. The point of the plan was to send a message to the rest of the SH, and how does him marrying Boa accomplish this at all?
Now I know Oda sometimes gives us suprises that make us piss in our pants, but when he does it actually helps progress the story line, while this doesnt at all. I personally would like to see them get married some day. But I don't think now is the right time at all.
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he doesn't have to get married. He has 2 women on board and who knows what happens on the boat at night?
I mean, nami and robin are definately old enough and luffy with his stretching and gears would make a formidable . . . I'd believe. nakama share everything right?Happiness Punch !!!
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Why do people keep saying that they'll send Akainu? It's much easier to send Kizaru. All they need to do is tilt a mirror in Amazon Lily's direction and he'll be there in no time flat.
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! @DancingFlamingos:
! > 1. While reading the paper, Crocodile comment that THEY were at it again so soon. THEY would be implying Jimbei and Luffy, seeing as how Croc had absolutely no knowledge of the connection between Boa and Luffy.
! Agree.
! @DancingFlamingos:
! > 2. When Chopper was reading the paper, he said "No, not again" And since Luffy has not gotten married ever before, the marriage could not have been what tony was so suprised at.
! I'll repeat it for the 100th time. It's wrong, actually Chopper meant "How come?" or "You did something again?", not saying he did the same thing again.
! @DancingFlamingos:
! > 3. It would not at all solve the problem of the SH being targeted again once they arrived on Sabody. Although it would distract the Marines somewhat, they are bound to have spies and marines stationed on Sabody to alert them when the SH arrive.
! True, and it could get worse if they know that Sunny is on SA, since Kuma is there this can get more credit. (actually, I don't know and I don't want to guess what the heck is Kuma doing there)
! @DancingFlamingos:
! > 4. It would unnesicarily endanger Amazon Lily.
A. It would cause the marines to go searching there for Luffy, and given how much of a threat Luffy is now, they would most likely send an admiral (most likely Akainu)
B. Hancock would most likely lose her status as Schicibukai, and even if they didn't find Luffy there, it would probably remain a target for the marines.
! Or C. Buster Call.
! @DancingFlamingos:
! > 5. Rayleigh had obviously thought of a plan ahead of time when he told luffy the same things would happen at sabody again. Since Rayleigh at that point had no knowledge of Hancock being in love with luffy, that couldn't have been his again.
! Agree. But we don't have any idea what Rayleigh is planning so it's like "It's not that. But I don't know what it is."
! @DancingFlamingos:
! > 6. The point of the plan was to send a message to the rest of the SH, and how does him marrying Boa accomplish this at all?
! I wonder the same.I'm not one of those who think that a marriage will happen. As said before, and now I'm on it, it's useless to guess what was the news.
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Luffy probably claimed an island to himself. either kuja or foodvalten
! > 1. It was Rayleigh's "plan" that would allow Luffy access to SA without as much of a risk to himself and his crew.
If Luffy helps some people in random island close to SA and claims it to himself he can get in and out, hide etc.
2. The world knowing about it (through the "news") is a part of the plan (we find this out from the revolutionaries + Crocodile). In other words, Rayleigh was counting on the fact that this huge "incident" would be picked up by the newspapers.
3. Chopper's reaction tells us it's something outrageous, and his words can be translated as either "why again!!?" or "what now!!?"
4. Sanji's reaction is that of surprise.
5. Robin's reaction is that of amusement.
6. A revolutionary described it as a "big incident."
7. Iva-san's reaction was that of surprise and said that Luffy's actions reminded him of Dragon's antics.
9. Croc's reaction to it was "Right after getting their lives saved…just what are these idiots thinking? They must be planning something. If not, they've gone mad."everyone's surprised
claiming countries/islands is pretty much dragons thing and it would definitely be heard and spoken of8. Vivi asked, "is it for fashion? no it can't be… it's Luffy after all"
clueless on this one :O MAYBE IT'S FASHION ISLE :O :O :O
10. Daz bones reaction: "strawboy is wounded. Do wounds disappear that easily?"
demon fox haxx!regarding the whole kuma thing:
the way I see it there are 2 options:
IT'S A BAD KUMA: :sad:
Kuma controlling all of them at the same time which leads to all of kumas being gov't controlled now
something in the lines of his mind being uploaded to a master computer and now being obsolete the gov't is using their own program :S
IT'S A GOOD KUMA:
old version of kuma untouched by the WG running around saving baby kittens and shooting icecream out his nipples and toppings out of his ass :<
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@AMS:
We all know that Oda was influenced by Toriyama, but that does not mean he is going to do stuff like Toriyama. In my mind Oda has surpassed his role model by leaps and bounds, in the simple fact that all the characters are actually usefull.
Basically just because DB did it does not mean that OP is going to do it.
Yeah, because, you know, that's absolutely not what I said.
He said IF Oda did it, it would be pulling a Bleach.
I said no, it would be pulling a Dragon Ball.Has nothing to do with whether I believe it's going to happen or not.
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Yeah, because, you know, that's absolutely not what I said.
He said IF Oda did it, it would be pulling a Bleach.
I said no, it would be pulling a Dragon Ball.Has nothing to do with whether I believe it's going to happen or not.
Aohige, have you given an opinion on what Chopper was actually saying two chapters ago? Meaning, do you think the intentions behind his words was to express more "what now?!?", I.E it was just a generic shock reaction, or rather "why again?!?", with the latter directly referencing something from the past.
You probably have and i just missed it, but if not, would you mind?
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@AMS:
We all know that Oda was influenced by Toriyama, but that does not mean he is going to do stuff like Toriyama. In my mind Oda has surpassed his role model by leaps and bounds, in the simple fact that all the characters are actually usefull.
Basically just because DB did it does not mean that OP is going to do it.
Oda had and will do a DB anyways. But only in his own way or you can say a variation of it. It may not be 100% following it, but you can relate to DB with it. Gear 2 is one of them. Gear 2 is rather similar to Super Saiyan or Kaio-ken.
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@Dan:
Aohige, have you given an opinion on what Chopper was actually saying two chapters ago? Meaning, do you think the intentions behind his words was to express more "what now?!?", I.E it was just a generic shock reaction, or rather "why again?!?", with the latter directly referencing something from the past.
You probably have and i just missed it, but if not, would you mind?
I personally think it's more likely the generic "Why in hell!?" reaction than a literal "Why again", but not fully confident.
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For some reason, whatever Luffy may have done, I imagine he did it naked… it would explain some of the character's reactions too, as odd as it may seem.
If Chopper did say "Why again?" he may be referring to when Hiruluk got naked when they first met and how Luffy too is, well, naked, and if it is a similar action, then it makes all the more sense. And if it's "Why the hell?", that's pretty obvious. :P
Robin was amused when she was crushing Franky's cojones, and, of course, he was naked then.
Sanji would obviously think "What the hell?!" if the picture has Luffy standing there in the buff.
It'd also explain Vivi's "not very stylish" comment. (Well, sort of)
And Rayleigh is just the perverted old man who would propose such a plan, so it all wraps up quite nicely. :>
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Well, I guess that would explain those blush-like lines on Vivi's nose. And why she took the article to her room.
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It's a shot of the sex tape of Luffy and Hancock's honeymoon.
Sex of the non-romantic type.
Jimbei is there too.
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@Cyan:
Joining in or supervising?
Just doing the usual fishmancore stuff.
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sometimes when the most insane crazy thing happens is when you have the least reaction
First of all its a manga and second this is Sanji we are talking about, I mean he becomes engulfed with flames when he hears Nami is in trouble, basically if Luffy married Hancock we would get a crazy reaction from Sanji much like how chopper reacted.
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What I personally think is a valid theory is that the paper has absolutely nothing to do with what Rayleigh and Luffy are planning.
I think it's a valid theory that Bon Clay has somehow escaped from Impel Down and is running around pretending he's Luffy to cause confusion within the marines.
I have some evidence but this theory probably isn't correct I'm just having fun playing around with it.
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Chopper and Sanji had a suprised reaction, while Robin just laughed. It could be that Chopper and Sanji are to stupid or ignorant to realize that its actually bon-chan, and they think its Luffy doing all the crazy antics bon-chan must be doing. Robin is smart enough to realize its clay and just laughs at the idea.
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Vivi commenting on the outfit. Bon-chan is known for having ridiculous outfits that Luffy would never wear. So she could be commenting on that.
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As for Crocodile's comments, Bon-chan could've gotten his okama pirate crew back together that he had outside of Arabasta, and had them impersonate the rest of the Strawhats, hence the THEY part. He has no knowledge of the seperation, so he could think that they are just back together. That would also account for him saying all of strawhats scars are gone, cause bon clay never had any of those scars. :ninja:
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One thing that is important to consider is that whatever is in the news is very likely WG approved. They control the newspapers and are obviously not opposed to propaganda.
I personally think it's more likely the generic "Why in hell!?" reaction than a literal "Why again", but not fully confident.
Both have pretty much equal chance, since both usage are common.I see. Thanks a tonne.
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@Dan:
One thing that is important to consider is that whatever is in the news is very likely WG approved. They control the newspapers and are obviously not opposed to propaganda.
Er, I don't know about that. From the war we saw quite a few different reporters covering the battle. Now after Sengoku turned off the camera's the reporters were still looking to find information about the battle. Buggy comes along and screws up Sengoku's plan and the media still reports what comes out. So I don't think it is completely accurate to say that the media is WG approved.
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Sure not all media is likely WG controlled, but the newpapers are. We know they have the ability to manipulate the newspapers as seen in how they "reported" Moria's death.
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@Dan:
Sure not all media is likely WG controlled, but the newpapers are. We know they have the ability to manipulate the newspapers as seen in how they "reported" Moria's death.
Eh–what we know is that they can manipulate what they tell the papers, and that the papers will print it. Technically we can't be sure how much news they can prevent from being printed if they try, although we can guess...
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@I:
Eh–what we know is that they can manipulate what they tell the papers, and that the papers will print it. Technically we can't be sure how much news they can prevent from being printed if they try, although we can guess...
Exactly, Moria's death was accepted because that was the only source given. Now if the media had witnessed the attack I doubt the WG would have been able to censor the newspaper.
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@Cyan:
Joining in or supervising?
He'll coach Luffy through it, even if it costs him his life.
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Exactly, Moria's death was accepted because that was the only source given. Now if the media had witnessed the attack I doubt the WG would have been able to censor the newspaper.
Why not? Unless it was caught on live video, what's stopping them? Look, they obviously have a willingness to use propaganda and lie as seen in cutting the video feed and how they reported Moria's death, not reporting that Luffy beat Moria on TB and etc. If they have the willingness, what's stopping them? Why can't they send a few marines over to the local grandline times office? They're definitely willing to use underhanded tactics like that, and they EASILY have the resources to do it. A staple of successful oppressive regimes like the WG is controlling the news. It'd just be stupid for them not to do it.
Also, Moria was seen alive after the battle ended for god knows how long by god knows how many people. I'm sure the report about his death was accepted only because that's exactly what the WG wanted.
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Whatever it may be I don't know how making it public would stop Kizaru from hunting Luffy and kicking his sorry ass into Enel´s kingdom.
A preemptive strike maybe?
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Probably someone already mentioned this, but in chapter 592 when its showing Zoro's flashback the translation mangastream had for the island's name is muggy island, could that be Buggy's hometown which he destroyed? I wonder how strong Shakky is being that she used to be a pirate cuz Kuma isn't human anymore, Oda gave another tease on Kuma about Dragon knowing what happened to him, Luffy must've done something crazy while wearing something Margaret made, thats the only thing that fits with the expressions given by all the strawhats and then Vivi's fashion statement. I thought tattoo but couldn't think of what about, maybe Asce (with the S crossed out or something) but it doesn't seem to fit right, and many ppls speculation seemed to come true at the end of it, Buggy's going to be a shichibukai
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Probably someone already mentioned this, but in chapter 592 when its showing Zoro's flashback the translation mangastream had for the island's name is muggy island, could that be Buggy's hometown which he destroyed?
What? No…another stupid theory to add to this thread!
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Yeah, there is no evidence to suggest that the wg runs the newspaper. But it could be true or it can be an entirely different organization or organizations like it is in America.
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Yeah, there is no evidence to suggest that the wg runs the newspaper. But it could be true or it can be an entirely different organization or organizations like it is in America.
yes, because in America the news and general media are in no way influenced by the government or politics in general…...:ninja:
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Well, I guess that would explain those blush-like lines on Vivi's nose. And why she took the article to her room.
i hope the newspaper is still readable after her session.
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I'm hyped to see the newest addition to the Shichibukai, Buggy!
lolz roflfle1094i801923
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I tried to take another look at the newspaper Robin was holding, and the only shape I could recognize is a bicycle near the bottom left corner. Is it Aokiji, or am I the only one that sees it.
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Luffy stole Aokiji's bike.
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