Well, he kinda did point out that it was sarcasm in his edit. xD;
Oooohh, I see it. Aaaaall the way at the bottom there…I need to get my eyes checked out.
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Oda in revolutionary manga creators according to some Japanese poll
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It could become the most popular Manga ever
It would still not be revolutionary
The problem with labelling One Piece revolutionary is that One Piece doesn't bring anything new to the table, it borrows aspects from other Mangas and creates a great story, but there's no single aspect in it that hasn't been done before.
At least, I think soI believe, if Oda keeps doing what he's doing, once One Piece ends, it could be noted as being revolutionary. But we won't know until we reach that point.
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One Piece is great. And it may do certain things better than it's predecessors and become the most popular thing ever. It may well be the pinnacle of all that Shonen can be. But in all honestly, it doesn't really deserve a place on the "revolutionary" list, popularity aside.
It will always be the child of Dragonball.
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One Piece is revolutionary only if reconstructions are revolutionary.
@GaaraofTheDesert:16 chars .
i see no hirohito araki
why do i see no hirohito araki
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@Cyan:
One Piece is revolutionary only if reconstructions are revolutionary.
i see no hirohito araki
why do i see no hirohito araki
cause you didn't look hard enough… :ninja:
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@JERK:
Aw, what a cute post.
Why thank you blush blush
I was using reverse psychology, you n00bs
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Why thank you blush blush
I was using reverse psychology, you n00bs
Reverse psychology in that you weren't thinking at all.
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Dragonball was revolutionary, Lone Wolf and Cub was revolutionary, Akira was revolutionary, Gundam 0079 was revolutionary, practically everything Tezuka did was revolutionary.
One Piece is not revolutionary
No Nausicaa in your mentioning? I hear from you lot that its the greatest manga ever made.
Anyway, I sorta think personally think Go Nagai needs to be their as well. But I'm not sure….he did do Devil man which was surprisingly shonen but it didn't really spark an era of Shonen like dragon ball did.
Though he did innovate the Mecha Genre with Maginzer Z
I wonder if it would be interesting if I did a debate topic on Dragonball on whether it had a overall negative or good influence on modern shounen.... -
@No:
It already surprassed Dragonball in sales
Worldwide, no. It's far, far from it. But that's not the point here.
Learn your shonen history pre and post-Dragonball and you gotta understand very easily why it is revolutionary.
If there's someone whose presence in this list is entirely unquestionable, they're Tezuka and Toriyama. -
OP has a transexual kick ass character.
Op has a huge amazing universe, with a world map, different races, great mythology which other shonen mangas cant even imagine. -
Why all of them were revolutionary? Yes, I'm asking sincerely, I don't remember most of their works. I think that I read that Tezuka was the one to set the "style" of drawing used by many manga.
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OP has a transexual kick ass character.
Op has a huge amazing universe, with a world map, different races, great mythology which other shonen mangas cant even imagine.This isn't revolutionary.
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Once again, stuff like kick ass transsexuals:
- Aren't original
- Wouldn't be revolutionary even if they were original
To be revolutionary, you have to do something new story-wise
Bobobobobobobo has a lot of weird shit you won't see in any other mangas, doesn't mean its revolutionary -
I hear a lot from a certain someone that Nausicaa is the best thing ever made.
I'll check out to see.
Is it really revolutionary? I have no doubt that the manga is better then the animated film. I heard its way more complicated in themes and the power of detail is extreme.
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The manga completely destroys the film.
I don't like the film at all, granted I watched it after I read the manga, but it was a simplistic distorted starved version of the first quarter of the manga.I don't really know if it's revolutionary though.
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It's great that One Piece is up there, but it's not revolutionary.
I haven't read the manga for Nausicaa, though. Is it worth the read?
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None of the Big 3 are revolutionary.
OP is good, but it's not revolutionary for reasons already mentioned.
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The manga completely destroys the film.
I don't like the film at all, granted I watched it after I read the manga, but it was a simplistic distorted starved version of the first quarter of the manga.I don't really know if it's revolutionary though.
A good friend of mine said its revolutionary in the sense of how its executes its themes with such literature like maturity, its mind-blowing.
Is it shonen or Seinen? I heard that its actually the level of maturity on maybe one of the worlds greatest novels.
Also to the folks unfamiliar with Nagai here I suggest you read Devilman.
I think its one of Go Nagai's most ambitious work.
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It's very mature, very literary.
The only other manga I've read that comes close is Lone Wolf and Cub.
It's kind of above the labels of Shonen or Seinen, but it would definitely fall into the latter if you had to pick. It's very bloody went it wants to be, and it depicts war very realistically.
It's violence is more effecting then the over the top death metal stuff that you get in Berserk. It's very serious about it, and it all has purpose, that's what makes it genuine literature to me. It really speaks to your mind and the real world. It's not there to purely entertain and doesn't really waste time with things like fan service or pointless action scenes.
None of this is really apparent until after the stuff with Nausicaa saving the baby Ohmu, up until then it feels like typical Miyazaki, but after that? When Nausicaa goes with Kushana to the Dorok Kingdom? Man. Things take off from there.
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This list is a nice on first glace, but the fact that I, as a not really hardcore fan, know each of these Mangakas main works, shows that it only scratches on the surface. The really revolutionary works are often not the popular or even remotely successful ones.
One Piece is not a revolution from what was there before. It's an evolution. Oda writes the better Shounen, but he doesn't rewrite the genre. I cannot see a turn to the better in recently started manga that I could attribute on Odas revolutionary and positive influence on the industry.
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One Piece is an epic shonen story. There is no other epic shonen story.
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One Piece is an epic shonen story. There is no other epic shonen story.
I know you're really dumb, but are you really this dumb?
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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Those last few books of Lone Wolf still gives me goosebumps whenever I read em, despite how repugnant the values of some of the characters may be.
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Even Lone Wolf grovels at Nausicaa's feet.
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@JERK:
I know you're really dumb, but are you really this dumb?
Do you even know what does the word "epic" mean ? Dumbass.
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Do you even know what does the word "epic" mean ? Dumbass.
He's not saying One Piece ISN'T epic, she's just saying you're dumb if you think One Piece is the only epic shonen.
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isn't OP a revolutionary manga as a whole? I mean, there is nothing like it, especially in diversity and plot-wise.
maybe some people think OP isn't revolutionary, but it's certainly at least 5 times better than the top 3 on the list.
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isn't OP a revolutionary manga as a whole? I mean, there is nothing like it, especially in diversity and plot-wise.
maybe some people think OP isn't revolutionary, but it's certainly at least 5 times better than the top 3 in the list.
There are things like it, diversity in what? Plot wise OP is very typical.
Being better then other things has nothing to do with being revolutionary.
Have you even read Dragonball? Do you seriously think OP is 5 times better?
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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Jerk desase…Zephos..Troll man
or how the fuck am I supposed to call you ?...
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One Piece is Dragonball's child, but is admittingly nothing like it.
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@JERK:
There are things like it, diversity in what? Plot wise OP is very typical.
Being better then other things has nothing to do with being revolutionary.
Have you even read Dragonball? Do you seriously think OP is 5 times better?
huh!! OP's plot is very typical? you're kidding right?
diversity in what?? in everything.
and yes OP is at least 5 times better than DB, seriously, DB is certainly revolutionary, but if I want to write about its flaws, I wouldn't stop.
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One Piece is Dragonball's child, but is admittingly nothing like it.
Adventure, combat, humor, lovably brainless lead…
huh!! OP's plot is very typical? your kidding right?
It's absolutely typical. This isn't a crime, don't act like I've slighted it.
Oda is telling a typical shonen story. A typical adventure fantasy story.
A typical hero's journey story.diversity in what?? in everything.
Like?
and yes OP is at least 5 times better than DB, seriously, DB is certainly revolutionary, but if I want to write about its flaws, I wouldn't stop.
That's nonsense. Dragonball up until book 28 is some of the most perfectly executed action adventure ever. The flaws you could name would all be completely beside the point.
Dragonball and OP are directly in the same ballpark.
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@JERK:
There are things like it, diversity in what? Plot wise OP is very typical.
Being better then other things has nothing to do with being revolutionary.
Have you even read Dragonball? Do you seriously think OP is 5 times better?
Ok this surpasses everything you have posted so far..
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What Oda is doing in One Piece is basically perfecting the Shonen archetype. There's nothing revolutionary about One Piece (yet).
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It's absolutely typical. This isn't a crime, don't act like I've slighted it.
Oda is telling a typical shonen story. A typical adventure fantasy story.
A typical hero's journey story.so, all of those are typical? explain how, please do, I want to laugh a little.
Overhead the Bakhahtross hangs motionless upon the air -
Unbreakable
Tell me something that is Revolutionary in One Piece, something that has never been done before, that is innovative, that is beyond what we usually see in Shonen manga
I dare you
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so, all of those are typical? explain how, please do, I want to laugh a little.
How are they not? I mean you're really in the question here.
OP's arc plots are pretty typical shonen, the underlying quest is typical hero's journey. You must be completely unread on fiction to be laughing at this. -
Unbreakable
Tell me something that is Revolutionary in One Piece, something that has never been done before, that is innovative, that is beyond what we usually see in Shonen manga
I dare you
Edit: GaaraoftheDesert, you're a pretty cool guy, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about hereI already said it can be considered revolutionary as a whole.
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Guys, Revolutionary mangas doesn't mean insane shit we never read before
Otherwise, Gantz and Bobobobobo would be the most revolutionary mangas ever, because you never seen a guy with hair nose powers and a guy escalating a mountain of Women bodiesRevolutionary means new stuff when it comes to the patterns of storytelling, One Piece is a formulaic story that works, but it doesn't bring anything new to the table
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Some people tend to confuse revolutionary with inspiring.
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@JERK:
How are they not? I mean you're really in the question here.
OP's arc plots are pretty typical shonen, the underlying quest is typical hero's journey. You must be completely unread on fiction to be laughing at this.it's typical in the basic ideas only. And OP's plot also has the secrets of the WG and the Void Century…etc
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The "basic ideas" are what matter, Unbreakable
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How can the secrets of the WG and the Void Century be revolutionary when even in real life governments hide secrets from the general public?
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One Piece may not be revolutionary in influence, yet…but it is revolutionarily good... it is inspired by Dragon Ball, but to say they are in the same ball park in terms of narrative execution, pot crack insane....
The basic story is typical, but the quests sure as hell ain't...to say everything is typical is simply false...I suppose it depends on the lense you use...even Lone Wolf and Cub could be considered typical samurai pulp, although of undeniably high quality (pretty drawn out though, many of the stories blend)
SGRaaize: What OP does beyond any shounen, or many non shounen, is is continually throw up creative takes on rather cliched situations…this is something exceptionally hard to do...Its also more consistant than pretty much any shounen that has existed.
Personally, one of the reasons I don't think we have many OP clones is because, there aren't many Mangaka's as talented as Oda...some items that are put forward as revolutionary, are also one trick ponies...OP certainly ain't a one trick pony
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Op has a huge amazing universe, with a world map, different races, great mythology, which other shonen mangas cant even imagine. It combines fighting, emotions, and gags in a really amazing way.
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Op has a huge amazing universe, with a world map, different races, great mythology, which other shonen mangas cant even imagine. It combines fighting, emotions, and gags in a really amazing way.
That's good, but it ain't original
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it's typical in the basic ideas only. And OP's plot also has the secrets of the WG and the Void Century…etc
Corrupt governments and horrible mind bending truths have done before even in Japanese comic books.
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Op has a huge amazing universe, with a world map, different races, great mythology, which other shonen mangas cant even imagine. It combines fighting, emotions, and gags in a really amazing way.
I haven't read enough manga to give examples, but I know for sure that these figures do not make a revolutionary manga ENTIRELY. This has been done else where.
EDIT: Also, people need to start giving examples.
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rev·o·lu·tion·ar·y [rev-uh-loo-shuh-ner-ee] Show IPA adjective, noun, plural -ar·ies.
–adjective
1.
of, pertaining to, characterized by, or of the nature of a revolution, or a sudden, complete, or marked change: a revolutionary junta.
2.
radically new or innovative; outside or beyond established procedure, principles, etc.: a revolutionary discovery.OP tells a shonen story, and it tells it VERY well. But it is entirely the child of Dragonball. If Dragonball never existed, and OP premiered exactly as it is? (25 years ago…) Then yeah, it'd be revolutionary. But Oda's an admitted Toriyama fanboy and his story shares a ton of characteristics with Toriyama's.
Its NOT insulting the series to say its not revolutionary. Its damn near perfect shonen, and its incredibly successful and high quality... but its been done before. Quality and execution aren't the same as innovation.
