Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)

olorin

@cooldud
I know the idea frightens you, scares me too.
I also couldn't imagine Luffy rampaging at Marine HQ, I just knew it had to happen on the way somehow, even long before we reached Enies Lobby.

Defeat and utter destruction are very different things. The SHs already defeated the WG at Enies Lobby, and rampaging at Mariejois is just the natural next bigger step. They don't have to beat the admirals, just to escape them after the ruckus is enough. This defeat is still nowhere near the level of the Whitebeard War, and we are headed for something much much bigger in the end, with only 400 chapters or so left, to visit 10 more locations or so and rap everything up. (I don't want anything rushed at all, but that's Oda's plan)

Also they don't have to fight alone, just like with Marine HQ. This is the perfect time for Dragon to start making his move. I mean Dragon and the Gorousei need some character and story development just like everyone else, and can't just show up out of nowhere at the very end.

IMO reaching Raftel is not gonna be the beginning of the downfall of the WG, but the miraculous end, with the destruction of the ancient weapons and everyone fulfilling their dreams, and for example Chopper becoming the miracle cure, that symbolically heals the entire world, just like Hiluluk did with Drum.

semil

@guess:

of all the locations intoduced thus far, mariejois is second in importance only to raftel. the strawhats may avoid going there now, but there will be no avoiding it as the story progresses.

So its just impossible that the Revolutionaries might get there first? Everywhere important has to be taken down by Luffy, and nobody else gets to do anything?

What Luffy does that far in the future is just speculation, very very distant speculation at that. I'll agree that we'll hear more about Mariejois, but I don't agree that it necessarily follows that anything that happens there will have to be related to Luffy.

Maki707

@semil:

Everywhere important has to be taken down by Luffy, and nobody else gets to do anything?
but I don't agree that it necessarily follows that anything that happens there will have to be related to Luffy.

Short answer is yes and yes it does.
Sure the Sh's will get help but it is thier story and thier story alone. Not anyone else's.

RPGJay

@guess:

of all the locations intoduced thus far, mariejois is second in importance only to raftel. the strawhats may avoid going there now, but there will be no avoiding it as the story progresses.

What are you talking about?

Name one reason why the Straw Hats would go to Mariejois. Especially considering they're planning to go to Fishman Island, which is thousands of meters below Mariejois.

Maki707

^
He did say they will not go now but will go later in the story.
Who knows what the reason will be? At this point it does'nt matter. It's the same as when Impel Down was mentioned in the Ennies Lobby arc. We knew that at some point they would go there but we did'nt know how and why. Same with Elpabh for example.

RPGJay

@Maki707:

^
He did say they will not go now but will go later in the story.
Who knows what the reason will be? At this point it does'nt matter. It's the same as when Impel Down was mentioned in the Ennies Lobby arc. We knew that at some point they would go there but we did'nt know how and why. Same with Elpabh for example.

But that's just it. There is no reason to go to Mariejois.

You could at least assume someone from the crew would go to Impel Down because it wasn't that far away. And it wasn't backtracking too far to go to Impel Down for Luffy.

There is literally no rhyme or reason to go to Mariejois. It would be going completely backwards for the crew right now for no reason.

At least Impel Down had foreshadowing about what is was about. We're told nothing about Mariejois other than it's where the head people at the WG live.

Unless Oda makes a very convincing reason why Mariejois is one of the places the SH need to go to, it is stupid to think they ever would.

JERK DISEASE

Final battles against the WG.

Dan Dangerously

WG and some ancient weapons too probably.

Reyairia

If Fisher Tiger, a single man, was able to make a ruckus at Mariejois without being immediately killed or dethroning the World Government, I don't see how Luffy couldn't.

ltNicoRobin3

But he WAS killed. How does Luffy plan to get there anyway? Unless the Sunny can fly, he'll have to pull a Fisher Tiger, of which, he would need a helluva lot of motivation to do. IE rescue a nakama. There's absolutely no reason for him to go otherwise, save fighting the WG which we all know will be one of the last fights, if not THE last fight.

Reyairia

Fisher Tiger was never killed, he survived that ordeal and formed the Sunny Pirates. I think it was implied he died of age by Hancock but I don't remember.
Luffy would rescue anybody who he considers his friend, even if its not his nakama. If anything, Oda loves arcs that revolve or at least have rescuing of a character in some way or another. (Caimie in Saobody, Nami in TB, Robin in Water7, Nami again in Skypia, etc, etc)

I'm not saying this will happen, but it could be a possibility since I'm sure Fisher Tiger and Fishmen/Merfolk slavery will be brought up again in Fishman Island.

iPenguin

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-521/page017.html
It was simply never stated how he died but I don't think it implies death by old age either.

semil

@iPenguin:

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-521/page017.html
It was simply never stated how he died but I don't think it implies death by old age either.

The page after that mentions that he's dead, btw.

I don't think it would have been old age eigher, its a bit much to believe Fisher Tiger was strong enough to do all he did but still old enough to die from old age within at least a decade.

Reyairia

@semil:

The page after that mentions that he's dead, btw.

I don't think it would have been old age eigher, its a bit much to believe Fisher Tiger was strong enough to do all he did but still old enough to die from old age within at least a decade.

Yeah, I guess it must have been a bad translation I read, because I also found that weird.

guess who

@RPGJay:

But that's just it. There is no reason to go to Mariejois.

You could at least assume someone from the crew would go to Impel Down because it wasn't that far away. And it wasn't backtracking too far to go to Impel Down for Luffy.

There is literally no rhyme or reason to go to Mariejois. It would be going completely backwards for the crew right now for no reason.

At least Impel Down had foreshadowing about what is was about. We're told nothing about Mariejois other than it's where the head people at the WG live.

Unless Oda makes a very convincing reason why Mariejois is one of the places the SH need to go to, it is stupid to think they ever would.

when impel down was introduced there was no reason to go there either. but oda made a reason. he introduced and developed the location because it was a place he would eventually send luffy to. i feel that mariejois will be similar. they arent going there yet, but circumstances will occur that will send the strawhats there. What will the reason be? hell if i know, but the gorousei will continue to pull strings, people will continue being enslaved, and the nobles will keep being cruel, and the world government will continue being corrupt. It just hasnt become a personal vendetta for the strawhats yet, but when it does they will go without hesitation.

semil

@guess:

when impel down was introduced there was no reason to go there either. but oda made a reason. he introduced and developed the location because it was a place he would eventually send luffy to. i feel that mariejois will be similar. they arent going there yet, but circumstances will occur that will send the strawhats there. What will the reason be? hell if i know, but the gorousei will continue to pull strings, people will continue being enslaved, and the nobles will keep being cruel, and the world government will continue being corrupt. It just hasnt become a personal vendetta for the strawhats yet, but when it does they will go without hesitation.

I love how people can just KNOW the future.

All we can go on is with what we know now. Right now the SH have no reason to go to Mariejois, therefore they likely won't. Can this change in the future? Of course, everything can change. But saying that they WILL go there without any proof or particularly well thought out reasoning is just clinging to a pet theory.

kagehisa

Isn't it about time we merged this with the "Dumb Predictions" thread? -.-

RPGJay

@guess:

when impel down was introduced there was no reason to go there either. but oda made a reason. he introduced and developed the location because it was a place he would eventually send luffy to. i feel that mariejois will be similar. they arent going there yet, but circumstances will occur that will send the strawhats there. What will the reason be? hell if i know, but the gorousei will continue to pull strings, people will continue being enslaved, and the nobles will keep being cruel, and the world government will continue being corrupt. It just hasnt become a personal vendetta for the strawhats yet, but when it does they will go without hesitation.

Semil essentially stole my response to this. :happy:

But as said, Oda can change the chances of going to Mariejois. It's just right now it's not anything close to a priority.

@kagehisa:

Isn't it about time we merged this with the "Dumb Predictions" thread? -.-

Just because this thread is like the gathering of dumbfucks doesn't mean it should be merged with that thread.

People have made great theories in this thread. It's just for every good theory or speculation suggested in this thread there 60 inane theories about why Bonney must be a crewmember.

loledinmypants

This thread is like 15% good speculation, 87.3% idiotic fanboying "theory" and/or responses and ridicule of said theories. And yes, that's 102.3%.

Halfpast9

Perona won't join because that would just be awful to have to listen to her laugh tracks whenever the crew was having fun. Most sane people would rather scrape the inside of their skulls with a coat hanger that being subjected to that.

The only way Jinbie joins is if Kubo takes over. Then we'll see Jinbie sporting some red hair and a killer rack. Followed by endless random panels of him yelling Luffy-kun….

You don't just hype a place like FI and not have awesome character designs for a new member there. We'll see a new member joining them once we get to that point. Otherwise there's always the entire New World for them to find some suitable people.

RPGJay

Where in the hell did you come from?

Oh, and FYI we already fathomed Perona's chances of joining (aka zero).

Halfpast9

My mother's womb via my father's sperm. You?

Mr. Sandman

I'll tell you definitively who the next nakamate will be. It's…

gunshot

....What was that?

Anyways, It's a fishman named...
gunshot

...I'm dead this time.
@loledinmypants:

This thread is like 15% good speculation, 87.3% idiotic fanboying "theory" and/or responses and ridicule of said theories. And yes, that's 102.3%.

102.3% is the new 100%.

Brizan

I do not know if this is applicable but I was thinking that the last two would have to be based on a color not already used in Oda's specific colors. E.g Luffy is red, Franky is light blue. Really the only major colors not taken are Brown and grey though I suppose they could be a more obscure color like lime green or maroon. I just think that this is something to think about, it is also something that would prevent the three in the poll from joining. Perona would be pink or white and black while jinbei would be light blue, ect. I am just pointing this out.

semil

@Brizan:

I do not know if this is applicable but I was thinking that the last two would have to be based on a color not already used in Oda's specific colors. E.g Luffy is red, Franky is light blue. Really the only major colors not taken are Brown and grey though I suppose they could be a more obscure color like lime green or maroon. I just think that this is something to think about, it is also something that would prevent the three in the poll from joining. Perona would be pink or white and black while jinbei would be light blue, ect. I am just pointing this out.

Its Sabo, because he chose to go live in the Grey Terminal.

WarshipArc

@semil:

Its Sabo, because he chose to go live in the Grey Terminal.

Actually the cover to volume 60 has him garbed in blue.

Robo Gorilla

It's also generally regarded by people who know what there talking about as irrelevant (no offense). It is seen as something that really doesn't influence Oda's writing process.

loledinmypants

@Robo:

It's also generally regarded by people who know what there talking about as irrelevant (no offense). It is seen as something that really doesn't influence Oda's writing process.

Exactly, most of those "X SH is the color Y", "X SH is Y animal", "X SH is the Y of the SH 'family'" are all things Oda can come up with and supply after the writing. There's no evidence he plans anything off of them.

brennen.exe

@Brizan:

Franky is light blue. I just think that this is something to think about, it is also something that would prevent the three in the poll from joining.

@Crossword:

Oda can cheat just like he did with Franky, designating him as light-blue, since Sanji was already plain blue.

Soz.

Halfmetal-lich

I love how my caring for this thread plummeted to zero the moment Hancock was out.

Deicide

@Halfmetal-lich:

I love how my caring for this thread plummeted to zero the moment Hancock was out.

Yep, me too.

Thought I think that the biggest reason is that there's no real candidates right now, and people are just speculating about characters that don't exist yet.

Mr. Sandman

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OneManCollectiblez

i miss her already xD. but maybe she is in the bag :ninja:.

afterall he protects it too good and it would not make sence especially since sanji is back.:ninja:

man can dream right!!!

Deicide

@OneManCollectiblez:

i miss her already xD. but maybe she is in the bag :ninja:.

afterall he protects it too good and it would not make sence especially since sanji is back.:ninja:

man can dream right!!!

heh, you can dream, but chapter 599 shot down any chance of her being in the bag.

I think she has a chance of appearing again once we get back into the Celestial Dragon storyline (started but never finished).

WarshipArc

One more chapter and we should be able to officially cross out Perona as well.
Than we might as well hold a wake cause this thread is dead.

GetsugaZoro

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Dan Dangerously

Well, in the hopes of fostering some "fresh" discussion until a new candidate appears.

Considering the overall amazingness of a yonkou crew i feel the next person to join is going to have to be strong. Or have a high-end ceiling more specifically. Monster trio level. I'm not sure a fishman/mermaid fits that role. To me their strength and power set seems to be too closely tied with water to be a general purpose badass. So i'm leaning towards no one joining during the fishman island arc.

Of course, that's only if just one more person joins, and who knows about that. We could get a mermaid or something, which would be cool, and then a New World logia or ancient Zoan.

Which is another thing. I really hope a logia or ancient/mythical zoan DF user joins. I think it would be a waste to have such cool and unique powers in the story but not have them directly linked to the crew.

JERK DISEASE

What was with the sudden gay pretend UGH IF I HEAR THE WORD PERONA IM GONNA HAVE A HEART ATTACK.

Like one or two mods said something and a million scared morons jumped on a band wagon.

GetsugaZoro

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Polygon

Assuming the monster trio has surpassed Jimbei now, I can definitely see him joining.

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Zkaiser

If the Strawhats have three members above Warlord level then they are a fucking world power. I mean Vista and Jaws were both cornered by Warlords on the verge of losing had their fights actually mattered. Stop underrating the power of a Warlord. Just because two lost against Luffy in the most favorable plotarmored fashion and one is "a girl" people just seem to think that being on a Warlord's level is child's play.

Polygon

@Zkaiser:

If the Strawhats have three members above Warlord level then they are a fucking world power. I mean Vista and Jaws were both cornered by Warlords on the verge of losing had their fights actually mattered. Stop underrating the power of a Warlord. Just because two lost against Luffy in the most favorable plotarmored fashion and one is "a girl" people just seem to think that being on a Warlord's level is child's play.

The Schichbukai so far have shown to vary greatly in strength. Moria was so weak he wasn't even worthy of being a Schichbukai anymore, whereas Mihawk is apparently stronger than the likes of Rayleigh. Schichbukai level covers an enormous range, so mentioning it is pointless. Moria even said that there are plenty of pirates out there capable of being Schichbukai. Anyway, Jimbei is absolute fodder to any top-tier so it's nor far-fatched to think the monster trio has surpassed him.

Dan Dangerously

@Zkaiser:

If the Strawhats have three members above Warlord level then they are a fucking world power. I mean Vista and Jaws were both cornered by Warlords on the verge of losing had their fights actually mattered. Stop underrating the power of a Warlord. Just because two lost against Luffy in the most favorable plotarmored fashion and one is "a girl" people just seem to think that being on a Warlord's level is child's play.

There is no such thing as Warlord/shichibukai level. Luffy Zoro and Sanji have all been "warlord" level for hundreds of chapters already. It's like with VA's. Vast gulfs between the top and bottom. This differs from Admirals and yonkou who are all within reasonable distance of one another.

@Polygon:

whereas Mihawk is apparently stronger than the likes of Rayleigh.

Assuming Rayleigh is strictly a swordsman, which i doubt. He seems much more likely to supplement his overall style with the a sword much like WB did with his Bisento or Lucky Roo and Beckmen likely do with their guns.

Zkaiser

Luffy, Zoro or Sanji as Warlords would be an absolute joke.@Polygon:

Anyway, Jimbei is absolute fodder to any top-tier so it's nor far-fatched to think the monster trio has surpassed him.

Citation Needed

Dan Dangerously

@Zkaiser:

Luffy, Zoro or Sanji as Warlords would be an absolute joke.

Yeah, only because there's no such thing. Those three have all been superior to at least Crocodile for a long time, but vastly inferior to someone like Mihawk. Both being shichibukai and both being on completely different levels. IE, there's no such thing as "shichibukai level".

EDIT: whoops, misread you first time over. You get the point though i'm sure. If those three are jokes as shichibukai, then so is Croc. At least from a strength point of view.