http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=21067
Congratulation brennen.exe
Even before Jinbei was Shown in the Manga you predicted his Joining with Great Evidence and Reasoning.
truely,quite outstanding analysis
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=21067
Congratulation brennen.exe
Even before Jinbei was Shown in the Manga you predicted his Joining with Great Evidence and Reasoning.
truely,quite outstanding analysis
That's very big of you to say. Now that that's settled, I-
That's big of you to say that's big of me, haha.
last 11 pages before we get the great 1000 page still have a week before we Jinbe could possibly join
how strong is the possiblity that Jinbe will refuse the invitation first then later under the effect of some unknown plot or scenario,he eventually accept the offer?
when will the past history relevant to that lightning-shaped scar to be narrated and in which way that narration will reinforce Jinbe's "Joining Isuue" if he indeed is Oda's choice?
0,0 % cuz all the intense feelings of this chapter would be gone.
it was one of the most touching things in the manga and probably after Nami and Robi. Seriously Oda did it on prupose like with the "nothing" of Hody to let let the people discuss it for one more week… And next chapter we will get a simple and most easy answer... "YES"
Probably followed by a 'history of Jinbei' mini-arc
We know his history
So Luffy finally popped the question. The narrator dialog boxes made the scene more touching. Kudos to the Jinbe crowd, specially those advocating him pre-TS.
! WINNING! In your case, WON!
Woo, congrats to Urouge and the others. I remember arguing against Jinbei years ago, but he pulled through after all and I'm fine with it now, I suppose. He was always 10 times better than the other "potential" candidates, anyway!
Now to speculate who the very last crew member will be, joy. @_@ Sort of hope there aren't any more.
I have a feeling that we'll know (or Oda will let us know) if Jimbe is the last or not. Luffy could say sumtin like, "My crew is finally complete".
In any case, the more interesting question for now is "Will there be another nakama?"
No reason for Luffy to say that, makes no sense if he sees something interesting he will ask him/her/it to join.
It might stop after we get a 10th chapter but Luffy will never just say that, atleast to me it makes no sense.
It's just too great!! jinbei is going to be part of that legendary crew.History in the making.
Just 10 pages to go guys and only 1 week
No reason for Luffy to say that, makes no sense if he sees something interesting he will ask him/her/it to join.
It might stop after we get a 10th chapter but Luffy will never just say that, atleast to me it makes no sense.
Well, perhaps it doesn't make sense because the way I wrote it. Oda would've write it in a much more Luffy-ish manner. I can see the standard welcoming party on board the Sunny, and Luffy smiling saying something like "Now we have 10 guys, time to take on the New World". (again this might not sound Luffy-ish, feel free to come up with sumtin more Luffy-ish urself)
Anyway, my point wasn't abt Luffy actually saying that. My point was that Oda will let us know whether the crew is complete or not. Either by a chapter title (The Last), or by having Luffy or someone else saying it
Saying that is not Luffy-ish at all or anything else, like I said he would still not pass an oportunity to have an interesting person in the crew even if he has 10 crewmembers already, that probably is not happening and at some point we will know definetly that it won't happen but not by Luffy saying it.
Like you said if that is not your point well yeah, I also think the crewmembers will still be classified as numbers, we won't have a the last chapter but a 9th and 10th chapter maybe(we don't have one for Robin and Chopper yet).
I don't think Oda will just tells us like that that none else is going to join, he will make us understand it with the story not a chapter title imo.
since the start of this thread(or not really the start) but since I read who will be the last 2 members, I thaught wait was that 10 members thing luffy said serious. But then I made up my mind and have always thought that he will have more than 10 members. Atleast I hope so I mean Whitebeard and Shanks have many more than 10 crewmates. I supose Blackbeard only got 11 but when the strawhats will meet them he will have more
Awesome~! Jimbei is joining! He really fits in well with the crew in my opinion.
Saying that is not Luffy-ish at all or anything else, like I said he would still not pass an oportunity to have an interesting person in the crew even if he has 10 crewmembers already, that probably is not happening and at some point we will know definetly that it won't happen but not by Luffy saying it.
Like you said if that is not your point well yeah, I also think the crewmembers will still be classified as numbers, we won't have a the last chapter but a 9th and 10th chapter maybe(we don't have one for Robin and Chopper yet).
I don't think Oda will just tells us like that that none else is going to join, he will make us understand it with the story not a chapter title imo.
Well then, I guess our main issue is whether Oda is going to explicitly state "The Last Nakama" or not. Not much can be argued about that, its basically just a blind bet.
But yeah, even if its stated clearly, I guess Luffy will still be going around and asking weird creatures to join
since the start of this thread(or not really the start) but since I read who will be the last 2 members, I thaught wait was that 10 members thing luffy said serious. But then I made up my mind and have always thought that he will have more than 10 members. Atleast I hope so I mean Whitebeard and Shanks have many more than 10 crewmates. I supose Blackbeard only got 11 but when the strawhats will meet them he will have more
The diference is the SHs are the main characters and need development, if Luffy had like 30 members in the crew it would be an exageration and none would get developed, I think it will be just 10 but if we see one or two more I would be fine, unless Oda eventually says in an interview or like I said above reinforces the idea that it will stop at 10 in the actualy story.
Well then, I guess our main issue is whether Oda is going to explicitly state "The Last Nakama" or not. Not much can be argued about that, its basically just a blind bet.
But yeah, even if its stated clearly, I guess Luffy will still be going around and asking weird creatures to join
XD we all remember Gaimon and the Zombies haha.
I still have hope that they eventually get an actual pet like that, Luffy just says I like this X animal I'm going to take it, obviously that would be a pet not a crewmate anyway(come back Carue :( ).
The diference is the SHs are the main characters and need development, if Luffy had like 30 members in the crew it would be an exageration and none would get developed, I think it will be just 10 but if we see one or two more I would be fine, unless Oda eventually says in an interview or like I said above reinforces the idea that it will stop at 10 in the actualy story.
Ofcourse i don't want to have 100+members in the SH but like 12-13 would be nice, though I can admit that too many will be messy
My bet goes at Luffy having 10 crewmates, for a total of 11 SH's. There's a chance one is left to join.
How strong is the possibility that Jinbe will refuse the invitation first then later under the effect of some unknown plot or scenario, he eventually accept the offer?
I think there's a strong possibility that Jinbe will initially decline Luffy's offer, as everyone except Usopp and Robin have– Zoro, Nami, Sanji, Chopper, Franky, and Brook all did. Interestingly enough, both Usopp and Robin invited themselves. The initial declination would of course allow a lead-in to…
When will the past history relevant to that lightning-shaped scar to be narrated and in which way that narration will reinforce Jinbe's "Joining Isuue" if he indeed is Oda's choice?
…a more recent flashback about Jinbe's past, likely revolving around his own dream or ambition, and including how he gained his scar. I still wonder if Whitebeard will play a role in that, as the entire Fishman Island flashback skipped over how and when Jinbe came to respect Whitebeard so much. It can be assumed it was there the whole time, but he seemed really bitter in the first portion, and hated humans in the middle.
0.0 % cuz all the intense feelings of this chapter would be gone.
No way, it would be classic Oda to start off a new chapter by ruining the emotional build-up from last chapter. It would also fit Jinbe's personality perfect: "I'm honored, Luffy, but I cannot… I must stay here where I'm needed, to help my people." Or some similar honorable nonsense.
I think there's a strong possibility that Jinbe will initially decline Luffy's offer, as everyone except Usopp and Robin have– Zoro, Nami, Sanji, Chopper, Franky, and Brook all did. Interestingly enough, both Usopp and Robin invited themselves. The initial declination would of course allow a lead-in to…
...a more recent flashback about Jinbe's past, likely revolving around his own dream or ambition, and including how he gained his scar. I still wonder if Whitebeard will play a role in that, as the entire Fishman Island flashback skipped over how and when Jinbe came to respect Whitebeard so much. It can be assumed it was there the whole time, but he seemed really bitter in the first portion, and hated humans in the middle.
No way, it would be classic Oda to start off a new chapter by ruining the emotional build-up from last chapter. It would also fit Jinbe's personality perfect: "I'm honored, Luffy, but I cannot... I must stay here where I'm needed, to help my people." Or some similar honorable nonsense.
Well that is not what I meant. Even if he declines or some shit there is no way Oda won't let him join after this chapter and everything before.
I can see him saying now I have to take car and than Neptun an Co will tell him to go like wiht the Franky Family, Sanji and so on
No way, it would be classic Oda to start off a new chapter by ruining the emotional build-up from last chapter. It would also fit Jinbe's personality perfect: "I'm honored, Luffy, but I cannot… I must stay here where I'm needed, to help my people." Or some similar honorable nonsense.
I'm actually talking about him not joining after the chapter, I also think he will say no for some reason, I like to see Luffy making people be his crewmate, that is always fun, so I'm actually looking forward to that.
Now if for some reason he didn't join, to me the scene would be ruined in a sense, its still a beatifull scene but ruins the chapter to me.
I still want to see a mini flashback talking about the scar.
I can see him saying "now I have to take care…" and than Neptun and Co. will tell him to go, like with the Franky Family, Sanji, and so on.
Exactly. It's not about the literal act of declining, it's about the reason they initially decline. For Zoro, he believed Luffy would get in the way of his ambitions; for Nami, she hated pirates and had her village to worry over; for Sanji, it was his debt to Zeff; for Chopper, it was his fear/hate of humans; for Franky, it was his 'Family' and pseudo sense of responsibility; for Brook, his shadow and promise to Laboon. Luffy has always provided a way out for this– if not always directly-- and it became a non-issue at the end of the arc, most of the time leading in to the given member's "dream".
So Jinbe declines, that leads in to backstory, then back to present we have Luffy refuse and the counter-arguments pushing him to join.
Is Fishman Island part of the New World? Because didn't Oda say someone will join in the NW?
And I just realized, if Jinbe joins, that means Kuma and Bonney can't join! NOOOOO!
Also, I don't want Jinbe to join like the others if he does join. If he's going to join, I hope he just says something along the lines of 'yes, it would be my honor'.
I'm actually talking about him not joining after the chapter, I also think he will say no for some reason, I like to see Luffy making people be his crewmate, that is always fun, so I'm actually looking forward to that.
Definitely. Luffy is very selfish, and each member needs to experience his stubborn refusal to let them live their own life first hand.
Well then, I guess our main issue is whether Oda is going to explicitly state "The Last Nakama" or not. Not much can be argued about that, its basically just a blind bet.
About this, I think with Jinbe's "The Ninth" chapter, we might have Luffy say something along the lines of, "My crew is almost complete. Just one more!!" or something like that. If not, I'm expecting Oda to make it clear when the crew is complete, if not by chapter title– "The Last Member" or "A complete 10" or "The Final One" or something-- then by dialog in the chapter. "My crew is finally complete!" I guess I just expect Oda to add some sort of finality, as a large portion of the story to this point has been about finding crew members to travel with them. If the crew is complete, Oda wouldn't want us always holding out for another potential member, getting too attached to characters we think might join. I'm sure he is aware of how big the whole "who will join next??" search is among the fanbase.
I think there's a strong possibility that Jinbe will initially decline Luffy's offer, as everyone except Usopp and Robin have– Zoro, Nami, Sanji, Chopper, Franky, and Brook all did. Interestingly enough, both Usopp and Robin invited themselves.
Only Robin. Luffy and Zoro essentially forced Usopp into the crew. Hence his made-on-the-spot dream.
But, I agree with Jinbe initially declining. It doesn't suit his character otherwise.
I'm gonna say Jinbe declines next week. We'll get a flashback for him(probably short) and he'll join. Maybe he'll have a soul-searching walk to the dojo.
what's next chapter called? maybe hint to the answer?? @Mdmartin: yeah seems likely in some way
what's next chapter called? maybe hint to the answer?? @Mdmartin: yeah seems likely in some way
We dont know till the spoiler comes out.
Do you think we already know the next nakama or he/she/it will be a new character?
@Razzle:
Cool. Now we just wait to see if Jimbe accepts :)
Personally, I don't mind Jimbe. I like him. If he joins that would be cool, but I'm ok if he does not either. Guess we will see next chapter.
As in any situation.. don't count your chickens before they hatch ;) we still got another chapter
There's a reason that people are treating his joining as a foregone conclusion right now, and some people probably have a feel for it even if they can't put their finger on it. Simply put, Luffy's invitation comes from a ton of buildup, and is the cliffhanger of the entire chapter. When Luffy asks people to join who don't, it's always out of the blue and resolved immediately afterwards.
It's been said but Jinbe could absolutely decline at first and still wind up joining. There's a lot of precedence for it.
You're a doll, Jet, but yeah, I do have to give credit where it's due; brennen and Urogue were advocating him well before he even entered the story, and I only really started seeing it once they got out of Impel Down.
I actually didn't catch up to the story until level 5 of Impel Down, so I can't take quite that much credit. Bren was certainly driving the empty bandwagon back then, but I didn't get on it until about a week or two after I caught up to the weekly chapters. I was immediately fairly convinced that either Jinbe or Hancock would join, and it took me that week or two to convince myself that Hancock had very little chance. In the end, I simply laid the groundwork for several of the arguments for Jinbe during Impel Down and Marineford, and I guess those days haven't been forgotten around here. :wub:
I have a feeling that we'll know (or Oda will let us know) if Jimbe is the last or not. Luffy could say sumtin like, "My crew is finally complete".
I'm a bit torn about this because while it does seem to fit Oda's style, it's not really necessary from a writing standpoint. Leaving the suspense hanging around from arc to arc seems like it'd only raise interest to me.
Only Robin. Luffy and Zoro essentially forced Usopp into the crew. Hence his made-on-the-spot dream.
But, I agree with Jinbe initially declining. It doesn't suit his character otherwise.
No, Usopp did invite himself at first, but he also invited himself to be the captain at the same time. And he was thus rejected.
Exactly. It's not about the literal act of declining, it's about the reason they initially decline. For Zoro, he believed Luffy would get in the way of his ambitions; for Nami, she hated pirates and had her village to worry over; for Sanji, it was his debt to Zeff; for Chopper, it was his fear/hate of humans; for Franky, it was his 'Family' and pseudo sense of responsibility; for Brook, his shadow and promise to Laboon. Luffy has always provided a way out for this– if not always directly-- and it became a non-issue at the end of the arc, most of the time leading in to the given member's "dream".
So Jinbe declines, that leads in to backstory, then back to present we have Luffy refuse and the counter-arguments pushing him to join.
So we agree :happy:
What would be really a troll from Oda… He did this week a cliffhanger on purpose to let the doubters discuss... next chapter Jinbei will say "no" at the end or some sort of a cliffhanger and the doubters will still discuss... And in 2 weeks... Jinbei: "Fuck it! Set the sails Captain"
Maybe Jinbe says no and Luffy in anger destroys Fishman Island.
Only Robin. Luffy and Zoro essentially forced Usopp into the crew.
Yeah, I linked the page where he invites himself in the post you quoted. There was another comment about it in another chapter later, too. We all know that Usopp wasn't going to leave by himself. Zoro was like, "stop acting like an idiot and get over here."
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v03/c023/19.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v05/c040/15.html
I love how all the Jinbe haters are like maybe Jinbe says no. Haha
Like how Zorro said no, Nami said No, sanji said No, Chopper said No, Franky said No. Clearly Luffy respects it when people respectfully decline. Jinbes joining you guys lost get over it. =DDDDDDDDDDD
I can't for the life of me understand why so many people dislike Jinbe either. He is by far the most loyal and respectful character in the entire series. He was willing to sacrifice his own life for Luffy only 5 or 6 hours after meeting him. What other SH would've done that in such a short timeframe after meeting him? Exactly. He's a fairly lonely character that always puts others before himself. No, he's not as weird as Franky or as funny as Brook, but he doesn't have to be since they're already a part of the crew. Just be open-minded about the whole thing and stop trying to picture whatever character you thought would be a good addition to the crew and just trust in Oda.
Has anybody been actually saying he won't join now? I'm on board with him saying no, but then joining, like many other crew members. But has anyone actually been saying he won't join?
I can't for the life of me understand why so many people dislike Jinbe either. He is by far the most loyal and respectful character in the entire series. He was willing to sacrifice his own life for Luffy only 5 or 6 hours after meeting him. What other SH would've done that in such a short timeframe after meeting him? Exactly. He's a fairly lonely character that always puts others before himself. No, he's not as weird as Franky or as funny as Brook, but he doesn't have to be since they're already a part of the crew. Just be open-minded about the whole thing and stop trying to picture whatever character you thought would be a good addition to the crew and just trust in Oda.
I think the problem is that Jinbe lacks strong flaws and quirks. His personality also won't create any kind of tension, rivalry or conflict within the crew, and friendly conflict is good for interactions (think how Sanji and Zoro are rivals, or how Nami uses Sanji for her purposes or dislikes Brook's advances, or how Chopper, Luffy and Usopp usually do immature stuff). Jinbe seems like the type who will just stand in the background and comment a few things while the others are having fun and butting heads.
I think the problem is that Jinbe lacks strong flaws and quirks. His personality also won't create any kind of tension, rivalry or conflict within the crew, and friendly conflict is good for interactions (think how Sanji and Zoro are rivals, or how Nami uses Sanji for her purposes or dislikes Brook's advances, or how Chopper, Luffy and Usopp usually do immature stuff). Jinbe seems like the type who will just stand in the background and comment a few things while the others are having fun and butting heads.
I understand where people are coming from when they say things like this, but if he is to join (and I'm 99.999% sure he will), he'll get his quirks and have his flaws (i.e. him placing so much emphasis on his "strategies," Robin apparently finding him attractive, which I'm sure Sanji will love, his arguments/fights with Luffy, etc.). Adding a chracter to the crew is a big deal and Oda obviously knows this, so he'll integrate well with them. A year from now, I doubt anyone will be complaining about his addition. I guess my main point should've been, just give him time. He's a great character. I didn't like Usopp, Franky or Brook when they first joined, but they grew on me and now I couldn't picture the SHs without them. He'll do the same.
@Undercover:
Jinbes joining you guys lost get over it. =DDDDDDDDDDD
We all lost, son. Don't be too proud of this nakamalogical nightmare you've created.
To be fair, Robin hadn't really displayed "flaws or quirks" before joining either. She went from cold-blooded assassin to a straight-man who provides the always necessary sardonic black humor. In the end, what it comes down to (for me) is the fact that Oda is too good a writer (at least when it comes to his beloved characters) to throw in a completely boring character that doesn't add anything to the mix. It's hard to imagine that he hasn't already thought of this exact complaint.
Talking about quirks, both Zoro and Robin didn't really have the quirks they have now when they joined, at least not as exaggerated, so don't lose hope for Jimbe.
Edit:Booooo CCC beat me to it.
I understand where people are coming from when they say things like this, but if he is to join (and I'm 99.999% sure he will), he'll get his quirks and have his flaws (i.e. him placing so much emphasis on his "strategies," Robin apparently finding him attractive, which I'm sure Sanji will love, his arguments/fights with Luffy, etc.). Adding a chracter to the crew is a big deal and Oda obviously knows this, so he'll integrate well with them. A year from now, I doubt anyone will be complaining about his addition. I guess my main point should've been, just give him time. He's a great character. I didn't like Usopp, Franky or Brook when they first joined, but they grew on me and now I couldn't picture the SHs without them. He'll do the same.
I'm obviously expecting Oda to do good things out of this, but it's kind of disappointing that Jinbe is around for over two years and a hundred chapters and he still feels somewhat bland. (Also, I'm kind of disappointed in Fishman Island arc overall, thought there were a few awesome moments and themes in it, so it may also be influencing my opinions.)
Jinbe is the first crewmate that I don't like as his joining draws near. I was a big fan of Usopp since the start (loved the "normal scared guy trying to be a strong warrior" angle); Robin was a nice plot twist ("where is Oda going with this? I'm intrigued!"); I though Brook's cool (thought I was more a fan of him being a former knight from a kingdom, an aspect of him that Oda has not explored yet); I was a Paulie supporter but Franky won me over a long time before he joined (because he was crazy awesome). With Jinbe… not so much.
I just hope that the next few chapters will finally change my opinion.
EDIT: To CCC and Iceborg: Zoro was the first to join, so it wasn't perceived as a problem at that time. Actually, in the first volumes, all quirks were downplayed a bit. It only became really clear what role (personality-wise) each one of them would have once Sanji joined and we got the "five man group" (Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Nami and Usopp).
As for Robin, like I said above, she as a mystery at first, and not hinted as joining at all. But it was one chapter after she invited herself into the crew and she was already bribing her way into being a Strawhat.
Jinbe is a different case because he has been around for a looooong time (120 chapters ago). We readers already have a lot of experience with him.
I think the problem is that Jinbe lacks strong flaws and quirks. His personality also won't create any kind of tension, rivalry or conflict within the crew, and friendly conflict is good for interactions (think how Sanji and Zoro are rivals, or how Nami uses Sanji for her purposes or dislikes Brook's advances, or how Chopper, Luffy and Usopp usually do immature stuff). Jinbe seems like the type who will just stand in the background and comment a few things while the others are having fun and butting heads.
Robin would like to say hello.
Robin would like to say hello.
Do we need more than one?
And even Robin had her moments. One chapter after she joined (and the first chapter in which we clearly saw her true self), and she was bribing Nami, helping Luffy impersonate Chopper and scarying Usopp.
I really don't care if he joins next chapter or we'll need to wait 10 chapters.
All I can say is that the transfusion sequence was great and the "Hey Jinbe, join my crew!" line was gold. I see Jinbe rainbows everywhere.
Man, the fanboy inside me is haywire right now. Help me please.
What's so good about flaws and quirks?
There's a reason why I like Robin more than Chopper, Brook and Franky.
Robin does have flaws and quirk, just in her own way.