Problem with Shirahoshi is that since she was locked up for 10 years, it'd be stupid for her to be good in a fight. Which would make her nothing more than a burden in the New World. New World basically requires strong, experienced fighters, especially on a crew as small as the Strawhats. Having a weak member may have worked back in east blue, but it won't work anymore
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Shirahoshi's whole decade of imprisonment was enough reason for me to believe she'll become the next crewmember, and her excitement towards adventure combined with a tragic past featuring the death of her beloved mother just increased her chances.
Bu then the fact that she cries constantly, can not fight and can not even walk on land completely obliterates those chances. Shirahoshi can not do anything, she needs Luffy to guard her just so that she can leave her room. Yes, you can argue that Vander Decken won't be threatening her after this arc, but she doesn't even have confidence in herself. Even Usopp, Nami and Chopper were all confident enough to fight their situation.
She is the quintessential damsel in distress.
I'll go even farther and say she inherited this high interest in adventure from Fisher Tiger "the adventurer".
Would you mind providing a base for this? I'm pretty sure that her interest in adventuring stems from the fact that she has been locked up in her room for the past 10 years.
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@RobbyBevard:
So who is going to carry her around whenever they have to go on land?
She won't get legs for several years yet.
Do we know her age?
@Robo:
Bu then the fact that she cries constantly, can not fight and can not even walk on land completely obliterates those chances. Shirahoshi can not do anything, she needs Luffy to guard ehr just so that she can leave her room. Yes, you can argue that Vander Decken won't be threatening her after this arc, but she doesn't even have confidence in herself. Even Usopp, Nami and Chopper were all confident enough to fight their situation.
That's why Luffy is here, to help Shirahoshi gain the confidence to stand firm and fight for her beloved ones. And again, we don't know about her age.
Look, this arc has just started and we don't know what will be happening from here onwards. Our thoughts could or not could change with each chapter, so let's just leave the issue here, kai?
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I guess I won't convice you and you won't convince me, so let's leave things here.
Shirahoshi's whole decade of imprisonment was enough reason for me to believe she'll become the next crewmember, and her excitement towards adventure combined with a tragic past featuring the death of her beloved mother just increased her chances.
I'll go even farther and say she inherited all this high interest in adventure from Fisher Tiger "the adventurer". Yeah, you don't have such interest by mere chance.
These are my thoughts and I'll be sticking to them as long as the developments taking place give me enough reasons, just like you have your reasons to believe Jinbei will join. Thanks for listening.
In my opinion there are some things you should do when deciding who's eligible for Nakama.
-Only go up to the current chapter. If someone has to come up with bullshit predictions to fill the holes in your theory, then there theory has zero weight. For example, if I wanted Decken to join "Vander Decken will team up with Luffy to save Shirahoshi from Hodi". Regardless of if your theory comes true or not, we have seen nothing to suggest that it will happen, and you'll just be making a baseless post with no reasoning. However something like "Van Auger will fight Usopp" is a prediction, but has tons of points base to support it.
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So, pretty much the only argument for Shirahoshi is ''She wants adventure!''
Yeah, that's not weak at all. If everyone who wanted adventure in the world joined the Strawhats then the World Government would be no more.Seriously though, the size argument was stupid when it was said about Jinbei, but it actually makes sense when talking about Shira. She's too big.
She can't even fight, what's she got to do with the future pirate king? What role would she even fill on the ship?
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I honestly think we haven't even seen the next nakama yet. Everyone presented so far just wouldn't fit. Jinbe won't join, Boa won't join, Perona won't join, Shirahoshi won't join, Hachi won't join. Neither Hodi or VDD will join either. They'll probably get someone towards the end of this arc or the next one, bland guess I know but it's the best I got haha.
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To be honest, i don't want to get another crew member for maybe a year or two. Brook just joined the crew, then they got separated. Let him get some development before throwing in another crew member taking up Brook's spotlight.
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That's why Luffy is here, to help Shirahoshi gain the confidence to stand firm and fight for her beloved ones.
Her situation is pretty much the same as the Conis and Camie situation.
1. She's being oppressed.
2. She has no fighting skills.
3. She's decided to just deal with it.
4. She becomes friends with Luffy.(this is where we've gotten with Shirahoshi).
5. The situation intensifies and her trouble increases.
6. Luffy defeats the person oppressing her.And even if the story does veer off from Oda's formula, that doesn't change the fact that she can't fight.
And again, we don't know about her age.
Fine, there is no indication that she can walk. She doesn't look over 30 and she hasn't been shown to split her legs.
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I guess I won't convice you and you won't convince me, so let's leave things here.
Shirahoshi's whole decade of imprisonment was enough reason for me to believe she'll become the next crewmember, and her excitement towards adventure combined with a tragic past featuring the death of her beloved mother just increased her chances.
Being imprisoned for a whole decade makes someone a good crewmate. right. Boy, why was I hating on you before?? I must have been crazy…
Also, being sad about her mom's death? Awesome, so that means Jimbei, King Neptune, the Princes....fuck, alot of new crewmates...
I'll go even farther and say she inherited all this high interest in adventure from Fisher Tiger "the adventurer". Yeah, you don't have such interest by mere chance.
Yeah you get it by being couped up for practically all your life you gigantic moron.
See, it's this sort of unbelievable leap in logic and ignoring of important details that characterizes all the thousands of corpses we're standing on in this topic. Look down kid, you're looking in a mirror. Uselss witless fools have been dying confused screaming deaths as long as this thread line has been around, you can stop now or you can join them. Which is it.These are my thoughts and I'll be sticking to them as long as the developments taking place give me enough reasons, just like you have your reasons to believe Jinbei will join. Thanks for listening.
Translation: YOU CANT TELL ME NO LOGIC I STAND BY MY TURDS
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@RobbyBevard:
Because they really needed an archeologist and musician, right? Ship role is entirely secondary to how Luffy feels about the person. Franky is the only time they were actively seeking a particular position. Navigator, cook, and doctor were all things they needed, but Luffy recruited the person first, then they happened to have those talents. Usopp certainley wasn't hired to be a gunner.
Stop trolling Robby, musicians are the human resource department of pirate ships, they raise moral and make workers/mates feel happier while they work unfathomable hours and endless sailing days; they are an essential part of any successful
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Then Vander Decken IX is a goddamned pedo…? God my oh...
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Then Vander Decken IX is a goddamned pedo…? God my oh...
Or the princess was 15 or so when she started receiving the letters.
You don't always have to put people down when you post.
Your right, only the stupid people.
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I don't think being imprisoned for a whole decade makes someone a good crew mate. However, it isn't a stretch to say that she'd be a good crew mate because she likes to go on adventures and have been unable to do so.
What's wrong with someone from FI being inspired by tiger fisher? if that's a stretch leap or the imagination then I won't argue with you.
You don't always have to put people down when you post.
Shut up AlmostLegendary.
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Think about this from this perspective then people.
King Neptune has protected his only Princess for 10 years - should that burden be lifted do you think any parent would then say "oh hey wow you should travel into the most dangerous part of the dangerous sea"
Granted she may be capable of dragging Sunny to the surface but that would be the extent of her travels. If all she is to the crew is a glorafied boat prepolsion don't you think it would get a little shallow? Anytime the battle starts she slips under the sea and waits it out - or splashes water at people.
I think that everyone will be thankful they got their princess back - the one joining the crew is someone who is free enough to join - and the only daughter of royalty is probably not the most free person out there.
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Shirahoshi won't join.
I would bet my account on this.
If anyone wants to counter my bet, go right ahead.
I'm looking at you, Nekketsu.
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I had no doubts about Franky after seeing his past, but if only I payed more attention to Luffy's drawing… Yep, Oda hinted about Franky joining from the very beggining, but Luffy is that bad at drawing
So we need someone who looks like this:http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071102085019/onepiece/images/5/52/Fishman_Speculation.PNG
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@RobbyBevard:
When Thriller Bark arc began, many already knew Brook would join after his first appearance, so why not?
Thats because Luffy asked him to join with his first appearance, and he said yes. Of course people could tell that immediately. But until he got the Laboon connection, there was reason to doubt, as he was TOO easy a joining candidate.
Honestly Robby, I hate to inform you that you're looking at the world through rose covered glasses. If we were back in the Thriller Bark portion of the story, half of this thread would be pushing for either Perona or Moriah, and the saddest part is that you know I'm right.
But the main one is because Jinbei is the captain of a pirate crew already and was part of the 8 from Impel Down. Oh, and even though I don't know if Luffy is now equally strong or stronger than him, he's way stronger than Zoro without any doubt, and this… just no.
Also I think Oda made something very smart. Due to the fact he isn't allowed to enter the island anymore, Jinbei can't do anything with the likes of Hodi and Vander Decken, because if he could, the collapse of the kingdom complot would end in the blink of an eye.
Shirahoshi's whole decade of imprisonment was enough reason for me to believe she'll become the next crewmember, and her excitement towards adventure combined with a tragic past featuring the death of her beloved mother just increased her chances.
I'll go even farther and say she inherited all this high interest in adventure from Fisher Tiger "the adventurer". Yeah, you don't have such interest by mere chance.
You're trolling, right? Jinbe can't join because of strength levels, and Shirahoshi is fine? Please tell me this is all an act, and you don't seriously believe this lunacy.
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Honestly Robby, I hate to inform you that you're looking at the world through rose covered glasses. If we were back in the Thriller Bark portion of the story, half of this thread would be pushing for either Perona or Moriah, and the saddest part is that you know I'm right.
Haha what? I wasn't around then, why would people think Moria? Not like, a logical reason, I want to know the faulty reason anyone would believe that. He has a tragic past and lost his crew in the NW?
Perona is at least a cool character design with a neat power, but crew member material she was not.
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Haha what? I wasn't around then, why would people think Moria? Not like, a logical reason, I want to know the faulty reason anyone would believe that. He has a tragic past and lost his crew in the NW?
Perona is at least a cool character design with a neat power, but crew member material she was not.
Do you read this thread? Every person with a title box gets toseed out here and it seems the worse they are the more steam the theory gets, especially villains. Both Caribou and Vander Decken have been suggested on multiple occasions.
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@Robo:
Do you read this thread? Every person with a title box gets toseed out here and it seems the worse they are the more steam the theory gets, especially villains. Both Caribou and Vander Decken have been suggested on multiple occasions.
I'm just looking for what half-witted idea even mildly fueled the idea of Moria. I've seen how dumb the suggestions are.
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I'm just looking for what half-witted idea even mildly fueled the idea of Moria. I've seen how dumb the suggestions are.
The same people who would suggest Caribou and Vander Decken.
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Haha what? I wasn't around then, why would people think Moria? Not like, a logical reason, I want to know the faulty reason anyone would believe that. He has a tragic past and lost his crew in the NW?
I don't know, sure. I can't imagine why it matters or even why you care, but if you really do you can go back and read any of the threads. There are a lot more stupid ideas hidden in them than I could ever come up with.
Anyway, stay on topic of who you think could actually join and keep the dumb predictions in their proper place.
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Anyway, stay on topic of who you think could actually join and keep the dumb predictions in their proper place.
Is that so? What's the point in suggesting someone without giving reasons?
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I'm just looking for what half-witted idea even mildly fueled the idea of Moria. I've seen how dumb the suggestions are.
Honestly I think it was to poke and prod the more vocal members of the forums - or in other words trolls. I know the whole trolling thing is banded about a lot lately and it seems that trolling is being converted into a mass cover for anyone acting like a doofus.
But the fact is when people suddenly turned up that month and created an account pushing for X character to join - ignoring the logical comments and just repeating anything that could fire people up was commonplace not that long ago.
AGOG was pushing for Perona - then all of a sudden there was this account called TiT or similar. Now some of the best debates happened and occasionally it got exceedingly ammusing BUT that is when people with heart were doing it.
The recent ones Van Decken - Hodi and Caribou aren't even substantial enough for anyone with any legitamacy to push for the crew - it's boiling down to "gut" feelings - which I am guilty of as well there is somethings I believe will happen because of a gut feeling and I have voiced it and had to defend them. But right now gut feeling for anyone other then Jinbei is pretty much just going to upset the mods who may or may not find a way to infur that sadness back on it's cause.
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Is that so? What's the point in suggesting someone without giving reasons?
Well, yeah. If there are no reasons, then I could shout out that Makino's baby will be the next SH.
Guys like Van DD have multiple reasons why they won't be joining, and guys like Hyouzou at least have some arguments in their favor.
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Is that so? What's the point in suggesting someone without giving reasons?
There isn't one. That's nothing close to what I said…
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Geez, look what you made me do, even though Sandman warned me to not argue with anyone.
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Geez, look what you made me do, even though Sandman warned me to not argue with anyone.
What, look like led paint chip eating rube? No, you did that to yourself.
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Geez, look what you made me do, even though Sandman warned me to not argue with anyone.
I gave Sandman some benefit of the doubt and a chance to defend himself against an actual argument, but you Nekketsu?
I just have to assume you're trolling the thread at this point. You can't seriously believe the stuff you're saying. Watch it from the sidelines from here on out.
Though apparently you two hang out since you're name dropping, so, you and Sandman are probably a good match for each other.
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@RobbyBevard:
So was Usopp, Franky, and Brook
They hardly count.
Usopp's crew weren't real pirates, they were make believe ones.
Franky Family weren't pirates at all. Franky joined when he became a wanted criminal, so he was essentially forced to leave.
Brook's crew were already long dead, and he was only acting captain.That being said, since Oda planned to have Zoro and Brook originally be part of Buggy's crew, so it seems he doesn't have anything against someone abandoning one crew for the other.
At the same time loyalty to your crew seems to have been made a strong theme in OP and leaving your crew for another one seemed to have been portrayed negatively at the Davy Back fight.Kind of hard to see where Oda is going with that. I personally don't think anybody that belongs already to their own pirate crew is going to join the SHs -especially a captain - but I wouldn't be totally surprised if it happened, and it's hard to tell whether Jinbe still has his crew at this point or not.
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But DOES Jimbei have a crew anymore? He's on his own, and the neo-fishman pirates are all kind of assholes, and we know Arlong split from him ten years ago when he became a shichibukai. When he went to jail, he went alone. He's got no ties to Hachi so… who IS in his crew, exactly? No one we've seen, met, or heard referenced yet. Jimbei doesn't talk about anyone he misses there was no one waiting outside (or inside) Impel Down to aid him, no one that shared his belief that Whitebeard must be saved, no one that went to war with him, no one in town to pass his message to Luffy (it had to be the princes instead) no one with him now on the outskirts of town.
I have to assume he's a former captain only, at this point. Anyone that was in his crew, seems to have long since split ways with him.
This could easily change next week if we're introduced to a whole group of people with him at the gravesite (in which case, heaps of new nakama fodder ahoy) , but I haven't seen any evidence of him really having a crew currently. In fact, the opposite, he's always been seen alone, always been referenced as just "Jimbei" and not by "The Sun Pirates" or whatnot.
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The only thing we know is that he and the other sunny pirates left the island, kinda implied that they were together.
Like I said, it'd difficult to tell at this point, but I'm sure it'll be clarified pretty soon.
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DId they say an entire group was exiled with him? And was still with him? Guess I need to check that.
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I don't think it was said they got exiled, just that they Jinbe took them and left I think.
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The two most likely outcome of Shirahoshi are:
1. Hancock ver.2: Another princess candidate for the future Pirate King's harem
2. Vivi ver.2: Another honorary Straw Hat, who may not join them in their voyages, but regarded a nakama forever.Or both.
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There's Caimie's statement on that to go by from chapter 609:
"…the former members of the Fishman Pirates weren't able to stay on this island any longer. / They all left, together with Boss Jimbei."
I'd assume that these are the members that were being referred to when chapter 546 called him, in no uncertain terms, "Captain of the Fishman Pirates". However, Caimie does say that they're "former" members, which gives the impression that he no longer holds that title. So did he step down when he lost his Shichibukai title, perhaps, upon returning to Fishman Island and realizing that they had to leave it, and his former crew went with him out of respect? But Jimbei does seem to be alone now. So either his former crew are in the Sea Forest with him, or they've gone separate ways now? Either way, it does seem as if Jimbei is not officially the captain any more.
edit: looks like I was a bit slow, though feel free to comment on my analysis of the situation anyway.
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"…the former members of the Fishman Pirates weren't able to stay on this island any longer. / They all left, together with Boss Jimbei."
We'd need to look at the translation closer, but I initially took this panel as her just lumping them all into a group. IE: All the former members had to leave, including Jinbei. It doesn't have to mean they left together, just that they all had to leave.
I'd assume that these are the members that were being referred to when chapter 546 called him, in no uncertain terms, "Captain of the Fishman Pirates".
Just repeating myself, but I've always gone with what has been said about the Sunny Pirates / Fishman Pirates from the three instances their split has been referenced. Yosaku's mention of the Warlord conditions, Nami's flashback mentioning "the rumors are true" about the crew splitting up, and Nyon's statement about how the Sunny Pirates are split up. Add Camie's "former Fishman Pirates" and all the stuff Robby mentioned about them never being around or mentioned and we have loads of evidence the crew is and has been disbanded, while the only arguments to the contrary are an intro box and chapter title.
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IE: All the former members had to leave, including Jinbei. It doesn't have to mean they left together, just that they all had to leave.
Ah, you're probably right about that. It makes more sense now that I look at it with that in mind.
Anyway, I'd agree with you on the other thing as well, but that chapter title does make me a bit uncertain still. Now, I do realize that "Former captain of the Fishman Pirates, Shichibukai Jimbei" doesn't have the same ring to it, and maybe the Marine fodder just called him captain because that's what he's commonly known as, but… it still makes me wonder if there couldn't have been a group loyal to Jimbei of which he remained captain after becoming a Shichibukai, while the rest went with Arlong. I mean, I doubt that Arlong actually had all of the former Sunny pirates with him in East Blue, and the way Caimie spoke it gives the impression that they were staying at Fishman Island even after Jimbei became a Shichibukai, but had to leave when Jimbei lost his title because FI can't "officially" harbor them, like Alabasta. Otherwise I dunno what the "had" to leave could've been about.
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Yeah, I agree, we'll just have to wait and see. [Forgot to add this in…] While him being referred to as captain is strange if the crew no longer exists or isn't active, that in and of itself might be why he isn't referred to as the 'ex-captain' or 'former captain', as he never stepped down and nobody ever replaced him. In addition to this, I know there have been a few instances where people were referred to by their previous titles despite that affiliation no longer really existing. I know I've named a few in the past, but I forget who off the top of my head. I know Kizaru called Drake "Rear Admiral Drake" twice, and only in the second time did he correct himself by following up with an "oops, FORMER…"
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Well they are calling him boss Jinbe not captain Jinbe so it does not mean he is the Captain still and remember he stopped being the Captain so that he could become a warlord.
Someone else probly became the Captain sure he might have rejoined the crew just not as the Captain.
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Well they are calling him boss Jinbe not captain Jinbe so it does not mean he is the Captain still and remember he stopped being the Captain so that he could become a warlord.
Someone else probly became the Captain sure he might have rejoined the crew just not as the Captain.
Well, his title is "Yakuza/knight of the Sea", so the "Boss" thing may be a reference to him leading some kind of fishman mafia-like organization.
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Jinbe's theme is yakuza. There's no question about it.
Not only is his "Kaikyou" from Ninkyo, a Yakuza honor theme, the "boss" title he is called by is actually "Oyabun", a honorary parenthood title for yakuza.
Those who share sake with the yakuza boss refers him as "father" or "pops", making him a "oyabun", a honorary parent.Basically a Japanese yakuza version of a mafia's "Godfather".
I damn explained the yakuza reference when Jinbe's chapter title came out years ago, yet some translators simply fail to get the note.
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He does have a sort of Vito Corleone vibe.
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