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By current 'logic-related reasoning', I don't see anyone in particular who stands out as a person who could join. If anyone is joining, it's more likely to be Jinbei than anyone else, I think. He actually does have a bond with the crew, or at least Luffy. Out of the fishman introduced in this arc, there would be some backstory needed to add anyone in. I don't see Caribou joining, I don't see Shirahoshi joining, I don't see Dekken joining. Hodi doesn't have enough development for me to say yet.
If anyone joins, I think it would be a returning character. Jinbei, being the most likely. That said, bringing into question characters who haven't been around in ages, I would say Gin or Vivi could join, if they were to reappear. Bon Clay, would be possible, were he to reappear. Everyone else seems like an ally or just characters that will never be seen again, and two of those are mindless speculation.
Jinbei or Bon Clay are the only ones I see having a chance, and Jinbei's the only one who's actually been around.
If anyone's joining this arc, it's probably Jinbei.
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It seems to be that the Pirates of the Sun are indeed split up. Maybe some of the higher ups are still with Jinbe but as of now, it seems Jinbe is on his own, the rest either retired, or went on to form the several other fractions such as Arlongs crew, Macro's small gang and such.
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After reading through this thread I'm kinda psyched now for Jinbe as the next crew member. Great reasons all around. I wonder what might become his motive for entering the crew under Luffy, though. Maybe Luffy will super-inspire him after the events of FI Arc are over.
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After reading through this thread I'm kinda psyched now for Jinbe as the next crew member. Great reasons all around. I wonder what might become his motive for entering the crew under Luffy, though. Maybe Luffy will super-inspire him after the events of FI Arc are over.
I think New World experience could be a good reason. Especially if the SHs can't find a New World version of a Compass or Log Pose.
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After reading through this thread I'm kinda psyched now for Jinbe as the next crew member. Great reasons all around. I wonder what might become his motive for entering the crew under Luffy, though. Maybe Luffy will super-inspire him after the events of FI Arc are over.
More likely it will be along the lines of honoring Ace, but also Whitebeards decision to put his faith in Luffy. If Jinbei joined it would not be him serving under Luffy - in fact not many on his crew serve him - it is represented them respecting him enough to do what he says without question when he is serious. All other times they're just a bunch of friends on an adventure - Usopp, Sanji and Nami will smack and push Luffy around - Zoro treats him like a child.
So Jinbei could easily fit in there - also if he was to join in the humour I would imagine his humour and jokes would be more adult/mature in nature nothing out of place but the sort of dual layer jokes that are funny as a kid and REALLY funny as an adult. -
I think it was made clear Jinbe is very much a captain in a sense that he doesn't really like to listen to what other people say but would rather make his own decisions based from his own perceptions. We saw this with how he refused to help Luffy just because Ace asked him to, and how he refused to listen to Whitebeard during the war.
Even if he doesn't have his own crew any more, he is still captain in the way he behaves around others.
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Well spoken. 16 Characters.
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I honestly don't get why everyone is so disgusted and riled up against Shirahoshi.:wassat:
I'm not a fan of crying women with huge breasts either, but that doesn't have to be all there is to her.And why is everyone so convinced of her being weak? There is really nothing to prove that yet. Cowardice is not the same as weakness, as we all should know. It's impossible to avoid Decken's surprise attacks indefinitely. Even Whitebeard got stabbed by surprise.
I mean, if she proves to be as useless as Vivi, Conis, Caimie,… , then of course there is no way for her to join. Usopp and Nami started from scratch too, but times are much tougher now.
But I think it could go either way at this point.
Whether she is just a stupid damsel in distress or will fight to the death herself all torn-up, using some awesome unseen skills, we'll just have to wait and see.Anyway I think it would be good to have a powerful mermaid in the story to represent her kind and crush that pathetic racist image of weak prey and slaves. Preferably someone involved in the final destruction of Mariejois.
I'm sure Oda would have no problem deepening her character and fitting her into the crew, if he wanted to.
For example the Sunny is much much bigger than everyone thinks. And mermaids don't have to be disabled on land. Caimie just had to hide her fin on Sabaody. Shira could move like the Gorgon Sisters or use any kind of device/pet to carry her, like a weapon with Zoan DF. The possibilities are endless.
Oda can easily make it work.Again we'll just have to be patient and see.
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^We've yet to see any Mermaids capable of fighting. I doubt that the first one will be the coward, crybaby Princess who was locked up in the tower for a decade. If she was being trained to fight, like her brothers, I'd expect her to be a little bit more tougher. But she's isn't.
Do you really think she has any kind of interesting fighting style? Or is she just going to slap her opponents with her fin?
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We've yet to see any Mermaids capable of fighting.
That's my point. Why shouldn't there be a powerful mermaid? And who could be a better representative than the princess?
Or is she just going to slap her opponents with her fin?
Why not? That's one way to go. Like Sanji only using his legs. She could jump higher than Brook and use her fin like Jinbe uses his fists.
There are so many other possibilities I can't even imagine. Like a trident with mythical Dragon Zoan, or using "Water Magic" and calling for fish like Jinbe.In the end it's up to Oda.
It's just a possibility.I think it's pretty obvious that she's weak considering Jinbei separated her from her brothers when he talked about their progress
Yes, he didn't name her as a formidable warrior, she didn't avoid the flying axe, and she didn't leave the island with Jinbe. But none of that is really conclusive.
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There is absolutely nothing to suggest that she can fight and everything to suggest that she can't.
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That's my point. Why shouldn't there be a powerful mermaid? And who could be a better representative than the princess?
The Princes. Why the hell would someone locked up in a tower for 10 years with no fighting experience be strong? She doesn't dodge the attacks either, they don't get to her because they hit the walls or the guards block the attack
Why not? That's one way to go. Like Sanji only using his legs. She could jump higher than Brook and use her fin like Jinbe uses his fists.
There are so many other possibilities I can't even imagine. Like a trident with mythical Dragon Zoan, or using "Water Magic" and calling for fish like Jinbe.In the end it's up to Oda.
It's just a possibility.Yes, he didn't name her as a formidable warrior, she didn't avoid the flying axe, and she didn't leave the island with Jinbe. But none of that is really conclusive.
So basically, you're saying that even though we have a lot of evidence against it and you only have a few extremely unlikely scenarios, she still has a chance. And How can she jump without legs? Or move at any considerable speed on land without them?
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I honestly don't get why everyone is so disgusted and riled up against Shirahoshi.:wassat:
Of course you dont'.
I'm not a fan of crying women with huge breasts either, but that doesn't have to be all there is to her.
Oh great! More pre-emptive theorization!
And why is everyone so convinced of her being weak? There is really nothing to prove that yet.
Yes truly the smart assumption is that she has spent her decade growing up in a tower honing her martial arts skills.
This isn't stupid in the slightest.Cowardice is not the same as weakness, as we all should know. It's impossible to avoid Decken's surprise attacks indefinitely. Even Whitebeard got stabbed by surprise.
Unless you live in a tower precisely so that shit hits the wall and in fact it's the entire reason you have been kept inside and it's a central part of your charWHY DONT YOU SHIT THEORIZERS EVER READ THIS THING YOU ATTEMPT TO THEORIZE OVER, ITS CALLED ONE PIECE VKUGBIUK <j&ogyvu*tn#ug#&iufg<br>> But I think it could go either way at this point.
In spite of the fact that it's massively sensibly weighted all in one direction. Very smart.
Whether she is just a stupid damsel in distress or will fight to the death herself all torn-up, using some awesome unseen skills, we'll just have to wait and see.
What the hell part of this doesn't immediatly make you think "Oda won't do that ever this isn't Bleach."
Anyway I think it would be good to have a powerful mermaid in the story to represent her kind and crush that pathetic racist image of weak prey and slaves. Preferably someone involved in the final destruction of Mariejois.
OH GOD he's off in fan-fiction land, someone get a hose.
I'm sure Oda would have no problem deepening her character and fitting her into the crew, if he wanted to.
no no no no no no no no no that is not how this thing fucking works, oda doesn't sit around and randomly decide to work characters into the crew.
For example the Sunny is much much bigger than everyone thinks. And mermaids don't have to be disabled on land. Caimie just had to hide her fin on Sabaody.
Yeah, Camie, so she could be carted around like an invalid to do important things like ride merry go rounds.
Jesus christ why do you people not use your heads, it's baffling.
Shira could move like the Gorgon Sisters or use any kind of device/pet to carry her, like a weapon with Zoan DF. The possibilities are endless.
Oda can easily make it work.Oda can easily overcome all this annoying bullshit to write in a character in no way characterized to join at all.
Do you have any idea about why you're fighting so much friction to make this argument? Have you thought maybe when you feel friction you should stop arguing?Again we'll just have to be patient and see.
No we don't.</j&ogyvu*tn#ug#&iufg<br>
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If you take what Shirahoshi's shown so far, without any random speculation, Here's what we have.
-She's a giant mermaid princess
-Locked up 10 years
-Luffy's been throwing tons of insults at her
-She's a crybaby
-Wants to go to her mom's grave
-Luffy has to act like a bodyguardAnything past that is random speculation. Nothing in that list makes her Nakama material.
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@Dr.:
If you take what Shirahoshi's shown so far, without any random speculation, Here's what we have.
-She's a giant mermaid princess
-Locked up 10 years
-Luffy's been throwing tons of insults at her
-She's a crybaby
-Wants to go to her mom's grave
-Luffy has to act like a bodyguardAnything past that is random speculation. Nothing in that list makes her Nakama material.
Sadly, you forgot a key element that some posters look for alone in her being a woman and large-chested.
Remember when Bonney was captured by Akainu, how a good number of theories would say the SH's would rescue her and she'd join? If it was a male Supernova, you could count people thinking the same theory on one hand.
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She'd actually be an incredibly annoying stupid character in any other manga. But the way Luffy's interacting with her makes her funny and fresh instead of groan inducing and cliche.
Princess: EEEEE IM A BIG BOOBED INNOCENT CUTIE WHO SO SCARED"
Luffy: Yo, you're a wierdo, what the fucks the deal with you. whatever, wanna come outside and stop being annoying? Cool.
Luffy owns.
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I honestly don't get why everyone is so disgusted and riled up against Shirahoshi.:wassat:
I'm not a fan of crying women with huge breasts either, but that doesn't have to be all there is to her.And why is everyone so convinced of her being weak? There is really nothing to prove that yet. Cowardice is not the same as weakness, as we all should know. It's impossible to avoid Decken's surprise attacks indefinitely. Even Whitebeard got stabbed by surprise.
I mean, if she proves to be as useless as Vivi, Conis, Caimie,… , then of course there is no way for her to join. Usopp and Nami started from scratch too, but times are much tougher now.
But I think it could go either way at this point.
Whether she is just a stupid damsel in distress or will fight to the death herself all torn-up, using some awesome unseen skills, we'll just have to wait and see.Anyway I think it would be good to have a powerful mermaid in the story to represent her kind and crush that pathetic racist image of weak prey and slaves. Preferably someone involved in the final destruction of Mariejois.
I'm sure Oda would have no problem deepening her character and fitting her into the crew, if he wanted to.
For example the Sunny is much much bigger than everyone thinks. And mermaids don't have to be disabled on land. Caimie just had to hide her fin on Sabaody. Shira could move like the Gorgon Sisters or use any kind of device/pet to carry her, like a weapon with Zoan DF. The possibilities are endless.
Oda can easily make it work.Again we'll just have to be patient and see.
Your strong sense of logic is such, that I'm strongly compelled to report to the CIA that you may be a terrorist and that you should be killed. I mean, there's nothing to prove that you are not a terrorist.
Does that sound stupid to you? I hope so, because your whole argument is based on that.
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JERK DISEASE are you serious? Or are you just trolling me?
Oda could have created her to make her part of the crew, to give their mission more meaning, to balance and expand the story, and for many other reasons. Her cowardice and innocence could be part of her "charm", when she overcomes it, just like with Chopper and the others. Sanji, Chopper, Usopp and Nami can be pretty annoying too and nobody cares. The story about her mother would deepen her character and make her look more sympathetic to some. Those are not assumptions, but reasonable possibilities. Just like her brothers wanting her to learn self-defense. What's stupid about that?I don't see that massive evidence against her joining. Just minor details, just like with Franky.
There was more friction with Franky joining and people fighting it till the end.
@JERK:Luffy: Yo, you're a wierdo, what the fucks the deal with you. whatever, wanna come outside and stop being annoying? Cool.
There is an awesome picture. Just brilliant. That could actually work.@Just Gabe
I'm against the strong assumption, that she is weak, without compelling evidence to support that.
But if you want evidence to support that she might be strong?
What about her size and powerful fin, making her the fastest creature in the ocean?
What about beeing blood related to 4 very powerful fighters?
What about beeing in constant danger and taught by some very powerful people indebted to her?That's not enough for NN, but much better than Vivi,Conis,…
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JERK DISEASE are you serious? Or are you just trolling me?
Ypu've been here since 2005 and you're this naive? Wow.
Oda could have created her to make her part of the crew, to give their mission more meaning, to balance and expand the story, and for many other reasons.
Funny how only some of those are congruent with her character and one is not!
Her cowardice and innocence could be part of her "charm",
What is this and what does it have to do with anything.
when she overcomes it, just like with Chopper and the others.
Then she'll…..no seriously. What about it.
Sanji, Chopper, Usopp and Nami can be pretty annoying too and nobody cares.
A lot of people care.
The story about her mother would deepen her character and make her look more sympathetic to some.
That's great. Now what does this have to do with her being crew material.
Those are not assumptions, but reasonable possibilities.
They're dumb assumptions when you run them over to being reasons she'll join the crew.
I don't see that massive evidence against her joining. Just minor details, just like with Franky.
Oh god…
There was more friction with Franky joining and people fighting it till the end.
Those people were gigantic morons.
Franky had no friction at all once he was revealed to be a three dimensional characters while chilling with Usopp. He was a perfectly acceptable crewmate in every way. There is an awesome picture. Just brilliant. That could actually work.THAT IS WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING YOU DINGUS.
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I'm against the strong assumption, that she is weak, without compelling evidence to support that.
But if you want evidence to support that she might be strong?
What about her size and powerful fin, making her the fastest creature in the ocean?
What about beeing blood related to 4 very powerful fighters?
What about beeing in constant danger and taught by some very powerful people indebted to her?That's not enough for NN, but much better than Vivi,Conis,…
Great great. And tell me pseudo-genius, how is she supposed to fight on land where ALL the fightning has taken place since the beginning of the series? she has no legs.
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How the hell is someone here for six years with only 253 posts.
Well, olorin, #254 won't be in this thread. Try actually reading the series.
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The anger of people in this thread always amazes me
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Ok, so this is my first actual post here on the site, although I have been hovering around for a long time now.
As my Username might imply, I really think that Hyouzou Is going to be the next nakama. There are a few reasons on why I think so, some more realistic then others.
1. I think that he is the swordsman that Hachi referred too in the Arlong Arc. I feel that if Oda had at least an idea of that character back then, then his character is going to be important. Much like Brook was thought of far before he was introduced.
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2. He is a mercenary who does not hold the beliefs of the Fishman Pirates, which would make a change of sides not unbelievable.
3. This a more abstract idea of the reason why, but for me it holds some merit. If you see this picture of some of the rough sketches of the Straw Hats that Oda released in the Green Book. You can see that Choppers original idea was to be a swordsman, and if you look even closer, you can see that he holds a tooth pic in his mouth (Same as Hyouzou). His overall expression is calm and uncaring, much like Hyouzou's. Also if you look all the way to the left there is a random small duck fishman looking character. That makes me think that Chopper took his place and maybe Hyouzou's character design took the old Choppers place. Just a thought.
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Isn't there enough swordsmen in the crew?
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We don't need a Zoro wannabe, Zoro's incredible and awesome as he is, Hyozou is strong but doesn't fit in the crew.
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I dont see that as an argument against having him. Its either guns, swords, or fists in One Piece. Its how unique of a fighting style that makes a character interesting. If Hyouzou has an interesting enough fighting style, I dont think it would be a huge problem.
P.S: On a random note, I think that Hyouzou uses a bokken which could lead to a really awesome and crazy fighting style.
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I agree with what you said and that's exactly why he's a good rival to Zoro but not nakama material.
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Hyouzou's cool, but I can't see him joining. He only does things for money. The Strawhat's are all about friendship and adventure.
P.S: On a random note, I think that Hyouzou uses a bokken which could lead to a really awesome and crazy fighting style.
looks up what a Bokken is A wooden sword used for training?
So… his fighting style would involve giving people splinters? Even Usopp could light his wooden sword on fire, and beat him...
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yeah, a merc with no morals would be such a brilliant addition to the crew. I can just imagine the wacky scenarios when Luffy's bleeding to death and really needs help against a strong enemy but lovable Hyouzou's too busy demanding more money!
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I thought about the whole doing things for money thing, but then again isnt that how Nami joined at first? I mean it is all a very rough idea for now until we know more. I mean Nami stole the Luffy's first ship. Franky was ok with his family brutally beating Usopp, and Robin was a former villain, I see no reason why Hyouzou is any worse then those three. In fact he has done much less then Franky or Robin. All I am saying, is that I think he has more potential then people think.
I didnt know any other word for it, but I meant a wooden sword of some sort. Maybe is has some special properties or something. Its just as I look at all the images with him and his sword, it seems to look "bulkier" then most, and I can never see the sheath part of it. But that is pure speculation.
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The fact is, he seems to like sake just like Zoro, swordsman like Zoro, he seems to be the same kind of guy like Zoro who likes to chill and relax, not so much the funny kind, not talking much and everything. That makes him a good rival but we won't have crewmates so equal one to another.
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Stay classy New Nakamate thread.
Sodoma for Nakama!
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I mean I am not here to make this a back and fourth so I will just post this last thing. I think we have seen that Zoro likes to drink, but he is not a drunk. I think a drunkard on the crew would be a funny and different. Other than that I actually dont find them too similar.
But I do see your point. I think with time we will find out more, and see how different he is then. The biggest thing I went off of was the picture Oda drew which is not very good proof
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Your theory is nothing but fanfiction at this point, take it else where.
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"They're gonna make a former boss character their partner (Nakama) and head to the New World."
former boss = former shichibukai
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"They're gonna make a former boss character their partner (Nakama) and head to the New World."
former boss = former shichibukai
I keep hearing the reference, can someone tell me where Oda said that?
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Ok, so this is my first actual post here on the site, although I have been hovering around for a long time now.
As my Username might imply, I really think that Hyouzou Is going to be the next nakama. There are a few reasons on why I think so, some more realistic then others.
1. I think that he is the swordsman that Hachi referred too in the Arlong Arc. I feel that if Oda had at least an idea of that character back then, then his character is going to be important. Much like Brook was thought of far before he was introduced.
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2. He is a mercenary who does not hold the beliefs of the Fishman Pirates, which would make a change of sides not unbelievable.
3. This a more abstract idea of the reason why, but for me it holds some merit. If you see this picture of some of the rough sketches of the Straw Hats that Oda released in the Green Book. You can see that Choppers original idea was to be a swordsman, and if you look even closer, you can see that he holds a tooth pic in his mouth (Same as Hyouzou). His overall expression is calm and uncaring, much like Hyouzou's. Also if you look all the way to the left there is a random small duck fishman looking character. That makes me think that Chopper took his place and maybe Hyouzou's character desing took the old Choppers place. Just a thought.
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! http://img94.imageshack.us/i/secretfiles.jpg/I like the reasoning, but for now I think Hyouzo might just switch sides and become an ally, since being a mercenary who helps the sides with the money is hardly nakama material. In Nami's case her interest in money is not that deep and it was mostly for her friend's (at cocoyashi) sake.
NN or not, he's the one fishman that I'm excited the most to see how he develops thru the arc; his indifference to Arlong's/Hodi's ideals is that noticable that he may be part of some interesting plot twist.
"They're gonna make a former boss character their partner (Nakama) and head to the New World."
former boss = former shichibukai
It is widely and well known that "boss character" is "major villian from an arc". Crocodile so far has been the only one to fit that description. And Oda's statements are so vague that I interpret it as "having a former boss becoming their ally" AND THEN (a couple of arcs later) "head to the NW".
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The "Boss" Statement just makes me think of Jinbei cause everyone keeps calling him. "Boss Jinbei."
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But Jinbei isn't a former boss. The two things do not connect. Aohige already explained why Jinbe is called "Boss" anyway and it doesn't even relate to him being a former shichibukai.
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"They're gonna make a former boss character their partner (Nakama) and head to the New World."
former boss = former shichibukai
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Ok, so this is my first actual post here on the site, although I have been hovering around for a long time now.
Learning nothing.
1. I think that he is the swordsman that Hachi referred too in the Arlong Arc. I feel that if Oda had at least an idea of that character back then, then his character is going to be important. Much like Brook was thought of far before he was introduced.
hyuck hyuck well clearly he'll be on the crew then!!
2. He is a mercenary who does not hold the beliefs of the Fishman Pirates, which would make a change of sides not unbelievable.
This has nothing to do with anything, if anything it shows he has no conviction and is just a whore for whoever can pay him. Wow! What a Strawhat!
3. This a more abstract idea of the reason why,
Wait, you mean those were the "solid" reasons?
but for me it holds some merit. If you see this picture of some of the rough sketches of the Straw Hats that Oda released in the Green Book. You can see that Choppers original idea was to be a swordsman, and if you look even closer, you can see that he holds a tooth pic in his mouth (Same as Hyouzou). His overall expression is calm and uncaring, much like Hyouzou's. Also if you look all the way to the left there is a random small duck fishman looking character. That makes me think that Chopper took his place and maybe Hyouzou's character design took the old Choppers place. Just a thought.
NNNRNRNRRHHNRRHHHHHGGG
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@Zik:
But Jinbei isn't a former boss. The two things do not connect. Aohige already explained why Jinbe is called "Boss" anyway and it doesn't even relate to him being a former shichibukai.
But can't they? It seems like something Oda would do to try and throw people off, red hering if you will.
You are quite possibly right though, but it's just an observation I've made. I'm still holding out for a female.
I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.
You won this week Fairy Tail.
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Chopper was at one point going to have stripes. So obviously the striped fishman is joining the crew.
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@RobbyBevard:
Chopper was at one point going to have stripes. So obviously the striped fishman is joining the crew.
ZebraZoidberg has an awesome design worthy of the Strawhats!
Awesome Stripped Fishman for NAKAMA!
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@RobbyBevard:
Chopper was at one point going to have stripes. So obviously the striped fishman is joining the crew.
I like the way you think.
There was a guy with plants that was going to be part of Luffy's group. Naturally, this Usopp guy is going to join the crew. Bet it.
