Looks like Rob forgot to unlock this thread. Anyway, I'm reopening this so people can discuss Jinbei and whatever else.
heh, I see what you did there. 
Good luck, whatever happens in this thread from now on will be on your conscience.
Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)
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Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Good luck, whatever happens in this thread from now on will be on your conscience.
I'll probably pass the buck to Robby either way. I've been really busy with work and school lately, so I haven't been reading too much in the threads, but I'm assuming– because I haven't checked-- Jinbei's appearance in this chapter means he was/is being discussed in the spoiler thread and chapter thread. Figured I'd let it spill in here rather than clog the chapter thread or Fishman Island thread. If not, I'll kick things off...
So this chapter gives us some new information about some major events regarding Fishman Island / Fishmen in general; we now have the Queen's assassination. As far as arguments go, this adds another layer to the inevitable and obvious flashback, and once again it is an incident that had a direct and seemingly large impact on Jinbei. That makes him six for six. Let's take a look:
- 15 Years Ago - Fisher Tiger breakout
- 15-10 Years Ago - Jinbei becomes captain
- 15-10 Years Ago - Fisher Tiger dies
- 15-10 Years Ago - Jinbei becomes warlord
- 10 Years Ago - Rumor of Fishman Pirates split
- 10 Years Ago - Queen Otohime's assassination
I think the logical order of events would be how I listed it, but obviously there are still a few unknowns. So in no particular order, Fisher Tiger forms the crew, steps down as captain or dies, Jinbei takes his place, Jinbei becomes a warlord, some event takes place where the queen "caused an uproar", Fisher Tiger is involved in a "bloody battle" and dies from blood loss afterward, the crew splits or is disbanded by Jinbei, and Arlong forms his own crew and heads to East Blue. My initial thoughts are that Fisher Tiger died on that day 10 years ago, as Jinbei's "uproar" and Hammond's "bloody battle" seem synonymous. The problem with this is that we know the Fishman Pirates "split up" 10 years ago, which would make Jinbei becoming captain of the crew a little awkward, timing-wise. Seems more likely Jinbei split the crew and became a warlord in response to the incident. This would mean that Fisher Tiger stepped down and made Jinbei the captain, seeing as he was an "adventurer" originally and supposedly only made a pirate crew to inspire hope and pride. Hammond's "bloody battle" and Jinbei's "uproar" would split the flashback timeline up a little too much for the narrative, I think, but it could work out. Or it could be something else completely; just making guesses here and putting things into a timeline.
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Hey all you Shirahoshi for NN people otherwise known as random guys with gigantic boobs fetish.
I have a meaty arsenal for yall.Both female members of Strawhats suffered a traumatic experience of witnessing the brutal slaying of their mother as a child.
Chapter 615 reveals fate of queen Otohime.Have fun.
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I liked the barrel theory more.
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Not making any calls until we get the flashback, it could go anyway from here
I want the final member to be a girl, but if we get a guy, I hope it's Jinbe
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Hey all you Shirahoshi for NN people otherwise known as random guys with gigantic boobs fetish.
I have a meaty arsenal for yall.Both female members of Strawhats suffered a traumatic experience of witnessing the brutal slaying of their mother as a child.
Chapter 615 reveals fate of queen Otohime.Have fun.
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You… were waiting for this chance, weren't you?
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I think all the stuff that's been happening and the setting up of the characters implies very strongly that no one will join this arc.
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It's obvious the princess is joining. Sad past and Luffy's getting her hooked on the drug known as adventure.
She'll probably land the finishing blow on VDD.
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I still think that until now no real fitting new SH was introduced.
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Well Van DD just struck Hatchi.. Safe bet he's not joining.
But I will say that Hyouzou is still in it for me. He said he's as strong as Hatchi, he's only doing things for money, he hasn't done ANYTHING HORRIBLE, and he was acknowledged by Luffy. He's also got quite a history.
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Well Van DD just struck Hatchi.. Safe bet he's not joining.
But I will say that Hyouzou is still in it for me. He said he's as strong as Hatchi, he's only doing things for money, he hasn't done ANYTHING HORRIBLE, and he was acknowledged by Luffy. He's also got quite a history.
Dude, this guy is way beyong Hachi. However, it's being very very clear that he and zoro will have a fight that will steal this arc. Straw Hat crew doesn't need another swordsman, they wouldn't pay for him.
Luffy acknowledging him as strong feels more than anything as confirmation that he's worthy of a great fight with zoro, nothing more, while the other NFP will probably just rely on ES.
Simply not enough evidence aside from being cool and strong. Which has been the case for many assist characters before. -
I go along with Shirahoshi for NN.
It's not what I expected, not by a long shot, but it's pretty well hinted at by now.1. She got the important "inherited will" from her mother. (though I was hoping for Fisher Tiger)
2. Unlike Vivi she is not suitable or willing to lead her country. (so there's no split loyalty there)
3. She has been miserable and lonely for 10 years, so becoming a pirate would be a step-up, despite the adamant dangers. (just like with all the other SH's)
4. Luffy personally relieved her of her misery and showed her how to follow her dreams, forming an unbreakable bond of trust and loyalty. (just like with all the other SH's) Especially after he saves her country and revenges her mother.
5. She would fit in well with the SH's, balancing the crew as the 3rd female member and 5th cowardly member. (next to Usopp, Nami, Chopper and Brook)
He innocence would also stand in perfect contrast to Nami's selfishness and Robin's cruel confidence. And her interactions with Sanji, Brook and Chopper would be awesome.6. Like the rest of her family she might be a talented fighter (only lacking confidence) and Jinbe could have secretly taught her Fishman Karate, to help defend herself. With her size and powerful fin she could be a formidable member of the SH's. Also most fish and even Sea Kings would probably want to protect and please her. That would be quite the help for the SH's. And maybe she could get her fathers trident or some other weapon, to help her fight on land. (not sure about transportation)
7. Luffy on a whim asked her to go on an adventure with him, which is almost as good as asking to join his crew?!
It would certainly be awesome to have the legendary mermaid princess as part of the SH's.
But she still needs an important dream, requiring her to travel to the end of the Grand Line or defeating one of the strongest legends in the world, something she can only achieve by following the future Pirate King. (maybe to end discrimination between all races?) -
Yeah, I kind of have the feeling that Shirahoshi will join. She wants to see the world outside of what she's been exposed to so far, and there's set up for her past now. She's not really what I expected, but I can really see her joining the crew.
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Hey all you Shirahoshi for NN people otherwise known as random guys with gigantic boobs fetish.
I have a meaty arsenal for yall.Both female members of Strawhats suffered a traumatic experience of witnessing the brutal slaying of their mother as a child.
Chapter 615 reveals fate of queen Otohime.Have fun.
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I say she becomes the new advanced navigation animal like Surume.
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I go along with Shirahoshi for NN.
It's not what I expected, not by a long shot, but it's pretty well hinted at by now.1. She got the important "inherited will" from her mother. (though I was hoping for Fisher Tiger)
2. Unlike Vivi she is not suitable or willing to lead her country. (so there's no split loyalty there)
3. She has been miserable and lonely for 10 years, so becoming a pirate would be a step-up, despite the adamant dangers. (just like with all the other SH's)
4. Luffy personally relieved her of her misery and showed her how to follow her dreams, forming an unbreakable bond of trust and loyalty. (just like with all the other SH's) Especially after he saves her country and revenges her mother.
5. She would fit in well with the SH's, balancing the crew as the 3rd female member and 5th cowardly member. (next to Usopp, Nami, Chopper and Brook)
He innocence would also stand in perfect contrast to Nami's selfishness and Robin's cruel confidence. And her interactions with Sanji, Brook and Chopper would be awesome.6. Like the rest of her family she might be a talented fighter (only lacking confidence) and Jinbe could have secretly taught her Fishman Karate, to help defend herself. With her size and powerful fin she could be a formidable member of the SH's. Also most fish and even Sea Kings would probably want to protect and please her. That would be quite the help for the SH's. And maybe she could get her fathers trident or some other weapon, to help her fight on land. (not sure about transportation)
7. Luffy on a whim asked her to go on an adventure with him, which is almost as good as asking to join his crew?!
It would certainly be awesome to have the legendary mermaid princess as part of the SH's.
But she still needs an important dream, requiring her to travel to the end of the Grand Line or defeating one of the strongest legends in the world, something she can only achieve by following the future Pirate King. (maybe to end discrimination between all races?)Your theories are worse than the Perona will join theories.
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Well Van DD just struck Hatchi.. Safe bet he's not joining.
But I will say that Hyouzou is still in it for me. He said he's as strong as Hatchi, he's only doing things for money, he hasn't done ANYTHING HORRIBLE, and he was acknowledged by Luffy. He's also got quite a history.
LOL. He isn't that much of an important character. He said himself he's just a hired
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LOL Poor Brennen, naively opening the thread, assuming there will be talk about Jinbe joining, even going so far as to outline the reasoning for Jinbe, and it all goes to the princess. Aohige, that was truly cruel.
I will say that IMHO the fact that Jinbe seems totured while sitting there at that grave, and that he is alone, do in fact lend themselves more fully to the idea of him joining. Also one of the biggest impediments before, I believe, seemed to be that he was too strong, being a warlord and all, but now, post TS, I'm thinking that isn't as much of an issue as it was previously. The best arguemnt against him remains the "generation" argument–e.g. that Jinbe represents an earlier generation, like WB and Roger, and that it is time to pass the torch.
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With the things we've seen so far, I opinion is.
Caribou- Strawhats have had a big conflict with mermaid slavery.
Vander Decken XI- He tried to kill Hatchan, and tormented the princess for 10 years.
Hodi Jones- He hates humans, and is very violent.
Shirahoshi- She is weak, spoiled, and Luffy doesn't think too highly of her.
King Neptune- He's hospitable, but has a duty to uphold, and can't fight fully do to back pains.
Fukaboshi- He seems nice, strong, and calm, but he hasn't had interaction with Luffy yet.
Jinbei- He has a strong connection with Luffy, and is very powerful.The first three have no chance of joining at the moment.
Shirahoshi and Neptune are kind, but have problems with fighting.
The two best choices to me are Fukaboshi and Jinbei. However I'm still not convinced about these two until we see more of them.
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LMAO @ Neptune. Has that who the insane posters have been suggesting as nakama in the chap discussions while this thread was locked?
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Shirahoshi as NN. Just hilarious
It would kind of be a copy of the Kurohige pirates. One giant guy and the crew.
Tbh, I think the next member is yet to be revealed. And Caribou as the next nakama would be awkward. -
@Zik:
LMAO @ Neptune. Has that who the insane posters have been suggesting as nakama in the chap discussions while the this thread was locked?
Unfortunately I've seen this being said before. Don't know if it was on this site or not. Suprisingly I haven't heard of anyone bring up Fukaboshi before me, for I would of assumed he was one of the more logical choices. I guess people rather discuss Caribou's chances than than a powerful good willed prince.
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1. He's actually about Wolf's size.
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@Dr.:
Unfortunately I've seen this being said before. Don't know if it was on this site or not. Suprisingly I haven't heard of anyone bring up Fukaboshi before me, for I would of assumed he was one of the more logical choices. I guess people rather discuss Caribou's chances than than a powerful good willed prince.
You know, I never thought of any of the princes, but now that you mention it, in the face of the reported assasination of the Queen, and the emphasis on how she was much respected by Jinbe and others, there stands a chance (IMHO, LOL, and of course it's fanfic or extreme guesswork) that the natural succession of FI Kingdom goes through the female, not the male, making the princes redundant. Interesting idea anyway.
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Had a dream Jinbe joined. Don't remember any of the dream, just like woke up a few days ago and then in my like stupor of just having woke up realized Jinbe wasn't actually on the crew. It's weird because it was nowhere near being on my mind when i went to sleep. Really don't want Jinbe to be the new SH.
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@I:
You know, I never thought of any of the princes, but now that you mention it, in the face of the reported assasination of the Queen, and the emphasis on how she was much respected by Jinbe and others, there stands a chance (IMHO, LOL, and of course it's fanfic or extreme guesswork) that the natural succession of FI Kingdom goes through the female, not the male, making the princes redundant. Interesting idea anyway.
I agree. It's also a point that there are two other princes to fufill his position if he leaves. I just found it odd that people have made a lot of theories on people like Decken or Caribou who seem very nasty, but they disregard the fact that Fukaboshi is a nice polite guy, with good hype, and a pretty decent amount of screentime compared to Decken. He should be a more likely candidate then the villains who have been acting like scum so far. Don't know how much sense that made, but do you see where I'm coming from?
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@Dr.:
I agree. It's also a point that there are two other princes to fufill his position if he leaves. I just found it odd that people have made a lot of theories on people like Decken or Caribou who seem very nasty, but they disregard the fact that Fukaboshi is a nice polite guy, with good hype, and a pretty decent amount of screentime compared to Decken. He should be a more likely candidate then the villains who have been acting like scum so far. Don't know how much sense that made, but do you see where I'm coming from?
What would the world government do to the FI should a member of their Royalty become associated directly with the only Pirate crew to declair war on the World Government?
I don't think they would be all pleasent and understanding do you? Considering they wiped Ohana off the map for much much less of an affront.
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So far its safe to say that we have seen almost all of the key players in this arc. And I have to say none of em is really an SH material. If we do get a nakama this arc, where will it come from?
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Vander Dekken/Hodi Jones alliance : We've seen most of the important figures in Hodi's crew, and Vander's crew doesn't seem to have someone who stands out.
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Ryuuguu Palace : I was hoping we'll get a potential character here, but after the SH took over, I doubt it. Unless he/she is currently out doing something, or just went along with the princes
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Jimbe's crew : Still is a chance, his crew is not yet seen. And I'm sure that if any of his crew wants to follow Luffy, Jimbe wont mind.
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Independent characters : In Arabasta we have another faction, the rebels. But I think we've seen all the faction that would play a part here. SO the only ones left are independent people not belonging to any of those above. Aaaand, Tom's relative comes to mind.
After we see Jimbe's crew and this relative of Tom (if Franky finds them), and no other faction is introduced. Then I can safely speculate about a new nakama joining. Until then, I'm just gonna be watching this thread
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I love how everybody ignored my post lol
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What would the world government do to the FI should a member of their Royalty become associated directly with the only Pirate crew to declair war on the World Government?
I don't think they would be all pleasent and understanding do you? Considering they wiped Ohana off the map for much much less of an affront.
I don't know if the Ryuuga Royalty is part of the government. The mermaids most likely don't come up much, and the Government most likely doesn't travel down there often. If you include the fact that the Celestials are racist against Fishmen that just makes things more complicated.
I love how everybody ignored my post lol
About your post. Wadatsumi would be the ideal match for San Juan, but it'll be hard for Oda to include someone so massive having his own adventures around an island. That's not the best argument, but it's tough thinking about how it could be incorparated. From our current standpoint of the guy, all we know is he's loyal to a hooligan like Decken, and that's not something in his favor.
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@Dr.:
I don't know if the Ryuuga Royalty is part of the government. The mermaids most likely don't come up much, and the Government most likely doesn't travel down there often. If you include the fact that the Celestials are racist against Fishmen that just makes things more complicated.
Celestials are basically just things the WG babysit - and give unlimited immunity to. (At least this is the present representation)
WG - and Marines would take umbrage with a member of the FI Royal family joining the crew of the SH's. Unless the family came out and dissowned how could it not be expected that the WG would then find it a challange to their power.
FI I believe is left alone because it would be too much bother to attack them - but just like it was shown with Whitebeared the WG will fight to annihalate any threat. SH's are a big threat and FI seen siding with them by having royalty join their ranks how could it not be seen as FI choosing a side - right now they seem more nutral.
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Choppers new monster point form is probly even bigger than before because some of Choppers other forms are bigger now as well so i don't think we need a big character to join anymore and Chopper fits in the ship.
I agree with this, I think that chopper, after the 2 year time-skip, will have mastered his monster point, and can really use it efficiently now.
Also, I have a strange feeling that caribou is going to join the straw hats.
Yes, I know that he has kidnapped the mermaids and that's really frowned upon, but maybe it is all a misunderstanding, and that Caribou never thought too much of it.
Seriously, the Straw Hat crew is missing a Logia user, and he is a perfect candidate.
He also seems to be more experienced than all the other rookies, as he knew all about coating. He also suggested the bubbles around the monster trio at the start of the arc.
He was one of the first new characters introduced after the timeskip, and has lasted the longest so far.
Also, he has gotten caught up with the straw hat crew, and had spent time with them on their ship.
I think the reason why Caribou wanted to kill the straw hats was before of a misunderstanding, and I think there will be a chapter explaining the reasons behind it.
Maybe its a story related to his hatred of the Marines, or even more, the world government. Who knows.
When one of the villagers said that they thought the guy who kidnapped the mermaids was part of the straw hat crew, I think that Oda was trying to foreshadow his alliance with them in the future.I wouldnt mind seeing him on the crew, I reckon his personality so far go blend in. However, this is only my personal thoughts, you dont have to agree with me. I just want to know what you think. I just joined this forum so please dont be too harsh on me LOL!
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we don't need a logia user when almost half of the SHs are devil fruit users.
I want a martial artist and a fishman (to offset the water weakness) and that would mean fishman karate.Which, btw, the SHs haven't gotten to yet.
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i have a feeling no one will join in this arc just like the skypiea arc. so far all the characters dont seem to have that nakama vibe. oda usually forshadows or hints nakama with the exception of robin, which was a surprise. i dont think he will pull another one because hes not tite kubo.
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Martial art = art of fighting, we already have 9 of those. Too many people use Fishman Karate for one of them to join.
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@ <nico:< small="">> Martial art = art of fighting, we already have 9 of those. Too many people use Fishman Karate for one of them to join.
I mean like with no weapons or fruits, that leaves Sanji.</nico:<>
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I want someone related to Tom because that is where Franky is headed (maybe Hodi jones is related to Tom (i don't think he is Toms son however Hodis father might have been Toms brother and was killed on Fishman island by humans giving him a reason to hate humans.)
So either someone related to Tom or Jinbe in other other words a Fishman/Fishwoman without a devil fruit that uses Fishman karate to fight.
@Dr.:
I don't know if the Ryuuga Royalty is part of the government. The mermaids most likely don't come up much, and the Government most likely doesn't travel down there often. If you include the fact that the Celestials are racist against Fishmen that just makes things more complicated.
About your post. Wadatsumi would be the ideal match for San Juan, but it'll be hard for Oda to include someone so massive having his own adventures around an island. That's not the best argument, but it's tough thinking about how it could be incorparated. From our current standpoint of the guy, all we know is he's loyal to a hooligan like Decken, and that's not something in his favor.
Choppers new monster point form is probly even bigger than before because some of Choppers other forms are bigger now as well so i don't think we need a big character to join and Chopper fits in the ship and is both the smallest and biggest crew member.
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Jinbei is back. Just wait^^
BTW..: Where are the people who said he is a captain with a crew… once again he is all alone
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Caribou won't be joining at all, we don't need a logia, we're awesome without one. Fishman karate would be better fitting and we would find out more about it.
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I wonder if the thread should be renamed "Last Nakamate". I don't know, but have the sensation there's only one member left to join the crew.
Jinbei is back. Just wait^^
BTW..: Where are the people who said he is a captain with a crew… once again he is all alone
And this means what? Only rookies, please.
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I want Hodi! I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt it, though, but I want him still. It would be too easy to make a flashback where he look up to Jinbe and Arlong, where he meets Otohime without knowing who she is, they become friends then he starts to go into her ideals but then something regarding her death makes him start to hate the humans again.
And the reason why Jinbe don't want Luffy to clash against Hodi is because he knows Hodi is a good but misguided kid and still sees him as his "son" (not exactly son, but something like the Shanks/Luffy relationship).But I will be happy with Jinbe as well. Anything but Hachi (just because it would mean 3 swordsmen in the crew, otherwise I would love the idea) - and I will not lie that Hyouzou line about a possible rivalry borning in the next chapters threw this fear into me.
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Caribou won't be joining at all, we don't need a logia, we're awesome without one. Fishman karate would be better fitting and we would find out more about it.
To be honest I want Shirahoshi or none of those who appeared now, making the arc a non-nakama arc like Skypiea making another parallel to it.Logia's are lame. True pirates take damage and become stronger from it. I really want a fishman/merman because it would make the crew more diverse. There are several reasons why Shirahoshi could become a nakama:
-potential for growth
-she's been in the castle for 10 years. Would she want to go back.
-As a giant mermaid she's unique
-Who is more suited to go after drowning Df users and sea kingsalthough…
-She has no fighting skill.
-everything scares herI'm 100% sure it's not going to be Hodi or Decken, so we can put those theories to rest. One thing all SH crew member's have in common is that they are fundamentally good people. We can make the Franky and Robin (former antagonists) comparison but they would never sit by and laugh while letting someone they supposedly respected who urged diplomacy to be butchered. It doesn't matter what kind of past Hodi had, once you become bad you're bad. If Jinbei doesn't have a crew then there's a chance he will become a nakama.
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@Mr.:
-She has no fighting skill.
-everything scares herNo problem, she will be sticking to Luffy for the entire arc. The fighting skill is the most interesting part for me, it could be anything. Also, there are other important matters in addition to these issues. Her princess status is one, then there's the Mato Mato curse, etc.
Do ya think Fisher Tiger had a lot of influence in Shirahoshi given her high interest in the adventure?
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I wonder if the thread should be renamed "Last Nakamate". I don't know, but have the sensation there's only one member left to join the crew.
And this means what? Only rookies, please.
Databook green said we would be getting one from the new world so if we get one from fishman island which is not in the new world then we still have one member left to go.
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I normally have low expectations, so imagine my surprise when I overestimated this thread. The most suggested two characters since this thread was reopened this thread are Shirahoshi and Caribou? Really? I'm sorry to say that I now fear for the future of Earth.
I wonder if the thread should be renamed "Last Nakamate". I don't know, but have the sensation there's only one member left to join the crew.
Well, we should obviously base the thread title on your gut feeling, right? The number is based off of Luffy's line in chapter 1. Yes, it could be wrong, but it's also the most likely possibility, as it's the only final number we've ever been given.
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The next nakama is Urouge. The umbrella lady probably killed his whole crew, I got an evil queen (snow white) vibe from her. He's still got his smile though.
