Let's break the mold on this one.
Let's break the mold on this one and have you actually address my last post rather than avoid it.
Let's break the mold on this one.
Let's break the mold on this one and have you actually address my last post rather than avoid it.
I think it's pretty bold for you to make statements like that when we don't even know his relationship with the crew.
Yeah they followed his orders however, that doesn't tell us much of anything. Hell Robin turned her back on Croc and eventually turned her back on the SHp. You however, seem to make exceptions for characters that you like and have no regards for a character that you dislike because they don't fit your idea image of what a SHP should be. Let's break the mold on this one.
We know that one of the people he watched die was his brother. We've never seen the crew do anything wrong to him. What we have seen is that they got killed by Surume trying to save him. They also call him brother and follow his every order. Don't even drag Robin into this.
Who gives a fuck what he does to some fodder ?
It's not about the loss of a character you dumbass. It's about his complete ruthlessness. God, are you seriously that stupid?
I don't understand how many times I need to answer the same question. If my answer isn't good enough for you then IDK. However, I don't see him burying and body with out his crew. I don't recall him saying he was going to bury them when they got to FI. I think people are way tooo butt sore about him burying some fodder. Who gives a fuck what he does to some fodder ?
Let's say I'm stupid and I haven't seen any answer to my question, how do you reconcile his behavior with the strawhats attitude towards life?
I don't need to here about how he didn't actually bury people alive, nor that burying people alive isn't all that bad compared to other stuff we have seen in the manga, nor that he never planned on burying the strawhats alive.
I want to here how you reconcile his behavior with the strawhats attitude towards life?
Ah your saying that you don't actually see how the strawhat's view of life and Caribou's are in conflict, in that case we simply will not ever be able to see eye to eye or convince the other that they are wrong. therefore any further argument is completely pointless.
I don't understand how many times I need to answer the same question. If my answer isn't good enough for you then IDK. However, I don't see him burying and body with out his crew. I don't recall him saying he was going to bury them when they got to FI. I think people are way tooo butt sore about him burying some fodder. Who gives a fuck what he does to some fodder ?
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-604/page005.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-606/page005.html
He wants to take off the heads of the Straw Hats and display them as trophies. How in hell do you not find that to describe a psycho?
And no, neither his brother nor his crew are telling him to think that or say that.
Holy shit. We are seriously having a discussion over whether caribou will join or not, this is quite a blemish on the human intelligence.
Kraken isn't going to die, that would be the worst thing to happen, if Luffy wasn't able to protect him, that would be quite ridiculous. Also after that smiling kraken panel I expect it to be marketed quite a bit, marketing would probably be hindered if he ended up dying.
Who says his attitude needs to be reconcile ? Ruthless ? Okay that's a problem ? I really don't recall you guys saying OMG luffy is ruthless how he's running throw EL. Those poor marines. Whatever though. Whether or not he shows emotions remains to be see it took Robin a while before she opened. Who's to say Cariboo needs to open up ? It can't be a sunshines and giggles can it?
I'm not even going to answer these. I find it impossible to believe that you don't already know the answer to all these arguments you posted. To be honest, I'd be shocked if you even took yourself seriously. But I don't completely hate your posts. Seeing AlmostLegendary believe something is the number 1 indicator that it is completely retarded.
Caribou could have used the bubbles as a diving suit like the 3 Strawhats and saved his brother at least, because the Kraken was focusing his attacks on the ship. Don't know the elasticity of the bubble but he could have turned into his logia form and got a hold of his crew by molding himself around them, whilst in the bubble. He didn't do jack. Give this Caribou joining thing a rest, he isn't going to
Van Der Dekken For Nakama 2011!
I'll take you up on that. If he doesn't join I'll apologize. If he does then it's on you.
Save your apologies. You'll just go on to make more dumb theories. You should really be learning why you're wrong.
People are arguing about someone's personal opinion? It is clear that you lot don't have a chance of convincing AL to look at the big picture, his determination to push this through is only getting stronger with each counter post you people dish out.
That's pretty fucking convient I don't remember luffy pulling any punches for Croc or Enel.
Huh? I'm not saying One Piece shall not have malice, I'm saying a member of Strawhats can't. Neither Croc or Enel are Strawhats.
And Luffy did not punch them out of malice.
I have a feeling that we're not going to get any actual former captains to join as nakama.
(Brook doesn't count since he was only acting captain)
Of course this is only a feeling but yeah.
Usopp…was a former captain.
Not… really...
Holy shit. We are seriously having a discussion over whether caribou will join or not, this is quite a blemish on the human intelligence.
Kraken isn't going to die, that would be the worst thing to happen, if Luffy wasn't able to protect him, that would be quite ridiculous. Also after that smiling kraken panel I expect it to be marketed quite a bit, marketing would probably be hindered if he ended up dying.
I understand your pain. I completely understand your pain. But this AL is just a hopeless case.
You guys are such fucking hypocrites it's really funny. No1 complains and calls Buggy's a psychopath nor do they say anthing about the marines and their public execution nor do they complain about Kid and him crucifying someone yettttttttttt the instead cariboo wants to do it he's a raving psychotic lunatic as mother fucker….it must be nice to live in what world where whatever reasoning you using like that is justified.
Um that's because no one is suggesting that they join the crew…
Also no one is complaining that Caribou is Psycho, I think most of us see that as one of his best features, we just also see it as making him inviable as a possible crewmate.
Aaaag I just need to learn to stop responding to you, it doesn't do anyone any good.
"Must... resist... the urge to... be drawn into his insanity!"
Who has had no problem with people being killed executed murder yet the very idea of someone like Cariboo joining is simply unthinkable ??
Lol! rite! now the SH are cold blooded killers who murder and execute their enemies with a killer intent.
I'm not wrong mangz.
Yeah you are.
The theory is fine
No it's not. It's not even a theory just baseless speculation. Anything you've said could be applied to any other random new character getting attention. i.e. Surume.
it's not my fault
Yes it is.
I'm talking to a bunch of hypocritical motherfuckers. Who has had no problem with people being killed executed murder yet the very idea of someone like Cariboo joining is simply unthinkable ??
Completely unrelated things you illogically group together to make it seem like others are being hypocritical.
Because what the SHP don't kill ? yeah whatever. keep on spinning your agenda.
More bullshit that supports a non-argument that isn't even the issue with why Caribou has zero chances of joining.
I really like the idea of the next SH crewmember being a young, top fighter in the school of fisherman karate on fishman island. any consentment?
p.s: caribou will never join, so give it up.
^I agree. It's partly why I'm not feeling it with Jinbe, our last three nakamas have been older so it'd be nice to have someone around Luffy's age this time.
I really like the idea of the next SH crewmember being a young, top fighter in the school of fisherman karate on fishman island. any consentment?
p.s: caribou will never join, so give it up.
First, is consentment even a word? Second, I completely agree! Fishman karate FTW! Young, female, goofy/wacky, with a huge chip on her shoulder, and flat chested (lots of fun interactions between her and Nami).
I really like the idea of the next SH crewmember being a young, top fighter in the school of fisherman karate on fishman island. any consentment?
p.s: caribou will never join, so give it up.
Fishman-karate Mermaid expert FTW!!!
First is consentment even a word?
Lol, yes it is.
Gosh, why can't people learn that the only sentient character with a plausible argument at this point in the manga is Jinbe. It does not matter if you like him or not, I happen to dislike sanji and chopper, that is not a reason for him not joining the crew.
I would however, be perfectly fine with someone new joining the crew, though seeing as people are wanting a nakamate prior to the new world(which we likely won't see for several years if the crew goes to MJ) Jinbe is the only person strong enough to keep up with the new crew. Theres a reason Jinbe was chosen as a shichibukai, he was the strongest and most feared representitive of FI the WG could find, I doubt we will find anyone just as good unless someone really strong happens to be a slave up in MJ.
So know you're suggesting him to go out into the bubble swim and rescue his whole crew which seems to consist of about 20 people. Is this before or after he kills the crew ?
Enlighten me on what I was suggesting before. I wrote before he didn't do shit. Read my post I first state his brother at least. His whole crew was drowning doesn't matter whether he had bloody killed the Strawhats, well someone like caribou would be having an internal monologue about whether to rescue his crew or not. :getlost: What I wrote was only something that could have been a possibility for him.
Fishman-karate Mermaid expert FTW!!!
This is what I'm hoping for, a dugong preferably.
I really like the idea of the next SH crewmember being a young, top fighter in the school of fisherman karate on fishman island. any consentment?
p.s: caribou will never join, so give it up.
Consentment is not a word.
There is no fisherman karate.
Other than that, good.
Gosh, why can't people learn that the only sentient character with a plausible argument at this point in the manga is Jinbe. It does not matter if you like him or not, I happen to dislike sanji and chopper, that is not a reason for him not joining the crew.
Meh, Jimbe is too serious, sensible, and weird quirk free to be part of the crew. Unless you consider his seeming suicidal tendencies as a quirk.
Meh, Jimbe is too serious, sensible, and weird quirk free to be part of the crew. Unless you consider his seeming suicidal tendencies as a quirk.
well of course, and most characters did not show their quirks till after joining, and by most I mean all but Nami and brook and a little bit of franky.
well of course, and most characters did not show their quirks till after joining, and by most I mean all but Nami and brook and a little bit of franky.
Is your sig a line from his interview? Dude is in fucking denial.
well of course, and most characters did not show their quirks till after joining, and by most I mean all but Nami and brook and a little bit of franky.
you forgot about Chopper, and Sanji, and Ussop, that just leaves Robin and Zoro, and we didn't get nearly as much time to get to know them before they joined as we did with jimbe.
Franky wears a speedo and goes extra hard on his poses. Doesn't get much quirkier.
Can't really put Jinbe in the same boat as Zoro who got his quirks after he joined since we've known Jinbe for like 2 years (in real time) and him having no kind of gimmick or reoccurring gag unless your taking the die for _______ that's really mocking his character seriously. It's something at this point in Oda's way of telling the story and introducing characters something he would do much earlier imo.
Gosh, why can't people learn that the only sentient character with a plausible argument at this point in the manga is Jinbe. It does not matter if you like him or not, I happen to dislike sanji and chopper, that is not a reason for him not joining the crew.
I would however, be perfectly fine with someone new joining the crew, though seeing as people are wanting a nakamate prior to the new world(which we likely won't see for several years if the crew goes to MJ) Jinbe is the only person strong enough to keep up with the new crew. Theres a reason Jinbe was chosen as a shichibukai, he was the strongest and most feared representitive of FI the WG could find, I doubt we will find anyone just as good unless someone really strong happens to be a slave up in MJ.
see but the problem with jimbei is that, when compared to the rest of the crew, him joing would make no logical sense. He is without an appropiate background story, without a "dream", an accomplished fighter and former pirate captain, and a former freakin shichibukai. adding him would completely disrupt the balance of the crew, and i really cant imagine him fitting in with the rest of the group. Back to my fishman karate suggestion, it would be cool if they added younger fishman with a character design similar to jimbei's and skinnier. i just love jimbei's design
I would however, be perfectly fine with someone new joining the crew, though seeing as people are wanting a nakamate prior to the new world(which we likely won't see for several years if the crew goes to MJ) Jinbe is the only person strong enough to keep up with the new crew. Theres a reason Jinbe was chosen as a shichibukai, he was the strongest and most feared representitive of FI the WG could find, I doubt we will find anyone just as good unless someone really strong happens to be a slave up in MJ.
Definitely true … pre-time skip. Jinbe is only getting older and it is not unlikely younger fishmen are getting stronger and may eventually replace him, or may even have done so already.
We won't really know how Jinbe stacks up now until the SH get to fishman island, so I guess we'll be sure sometime around 2012.
Theres a reason Jinbe was chosen as a shichibukai, he was the strongest and most feared representitive of FI the WG could find…
I don't think that's really the case. I don't doubt Jinbe is an extremely strong fishman and he might just be the strongest, but I think that part of the reason the WG offered him shichibukai status was because he was Fisher Tiger's successor to the Sunny Pirates, who was fiercely anti-WG and anti-Tenryuubito and the SPs were probably feeding anti-WG sentiment among fishmen since they were looked up to. The offer of shichibukai status also probably had to do with bringing some kind of truce so that those feelings would calm down in FI. Jinbe himself said that by becoming shichibukai he hoped the WG would do more to stop fishman slavery, but realizing in ID that the WG didn't do shit when WB did was where he decided to throw that away.
That's my take on it, anyway.
Fishman-karate Mermaid expert FTW!!!
I highly doubt it. We've had a lot more plot regarding fishfolk than merfolk and as far as we know, all the SPs were fishmen and I'm 90% sure the NN will have some sort of connection with them, if not a former member.
@Sea:
There is no fisherman karate.
You don't know that.
Just wait till we get to fisherman island and meet the 3rd dan anglers.
@Zik:
Franky wears a speedo and goes extra hard on his poses. Doesn't get much quirkier.
Can't really put Jinbe in the same boat as Zoro who got his quirks after he joined since we've known Jinbe for like 2 years (in real time) and him having no kind of gimmick or reoccurring gag unless your taking the die for _______ that's really mocking his character seriously. It's something at this point in Oda's way of telling the story and introducing characters something he would do much earlier imo.
you are right how dare jinbe be different from the rest of the crew
how dare nami and robin not be male like luffy
how dare the rest of the crew not have the same fighting style as luffy
how dare other members of the crew not have the same hair color or dress like luffy.
how dare the other members of the crew not have a devil fruit like luffys or have have a devil fruit at all
they are all not the same what i refered to was not a gag but it shows they are not all the same each member is different and you said yourself that jinbe is not the same as them
Must resist… AlmostLegendary...
see but the problem with jimbei is that, when compared to the rest of the crew, him joing would make no logical sense. He is without an appropiate background story, without a "dream", an accomplished fighter and former pirate captain, and a former freakin shichibukai. adding him would completely disrupt the balance of the crew, and i really cant imagine him fitting in with the rest of the group.
The background stories and dreams come in the arcs where those characters are the focus. The war was not the time for it. Fishman Island IS the time for it, so it's reasonable to assume those things would surface there. In fact, the entire theory relies on it.
As for the accomplished fighter, former captain, and former warlord… so what? It's not as if any of those things would make him "not fit in."
First is consentment even a word?
Lol, yes it is.
Why would you do this to yourself? Shouldn't you at least do a google search before you attempt such a confirmation?
The background stories and dreams come in the arcs where those characters are the focus. The war was not the time for it. Fishman Island IS the time for it, so it's reasonable to assume those things would surface there. In fact, the entire theory relies on it.
As for the accomplished fighter, former captain, and former warlord… so what? It's not as if any of those things would make him "not fit in."
To be fair even still we did get a bit of a background on the character, even if it wasn't spoken out loud or it wasn't the main focus of the arc.
But Oda's left more then enough unknown for him to be able to go whichever way he wants with Jinbe.
Yeah, I'm just saying Jinbe has been slowly shown to us a little at a time, personally, it strengthens his chances rather then hinder them. I was just reminding Urouge that we even got a little on him during the war.
Yeah, it's true that he gave us a couple little teasers. Anyway, I think we can agree that the bulk of it is yet to come.
Well I think mostly everybody would agree that Jinbe will be getting a backstory in the FI arc and more revealed about his character and so on - and will actively help the SH's during the arc.
The issue is after the FI arc
@Urouge:
As for the accomplished fighter, former captain, and former warlord… so what?
Sorry, but that does matter
Edit: Okay i'll post my take on it i rather than simply saying 'no'. Kinda long-ish though
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While this talk about Jinbe joining the SH's was fine and all during the marineford arc, 3 important events involving the warlords have happened since then.
Moriah's process to become an ally of the SH's has already begun with the betrayal of the WG and losing his status. It would be very surprising if he came back into the story as a villain again, otherwise that betrayal would be kinda pointless.
While the enemy of my enemy is my friend can be used for this - I'd say Moriah is too focussed on capturing Luffy's shadow to work with him other then in a Crocodile fashion. There is nothing to say Croc and Luffy are best chums they worked together and both had opposite goals - sure Croc did help but it was pretty evident that he did so to hurt the Marines as much as to assist WB or Luffy.
I highly doubt it. We've had a lot more plot regarding fishfolk than merfolk and as far as we know, all the SPs were fishmen and I'm 90% sure the NN will have some sort of connection with them, if not a former member.
shaddap!!! ure not oda! oda can make evrydin' possible! :sad:
*cries
you are right how dare jinbe be different from the rest of the crew
how dare nami and robin not be male like luffy
how dare the rest of the crew not have the same fighting style as luffy
how dare other members of the crew not have the same hair color or dress like luffy.
how dare the other members of the crew not have a devil fruit like luffys or have have a devil fruit at allthey are all not the same what i refered to was not a gag but it shows they are not all the same each member is different and you said yourself that jinbe is not the same as them
Wow…that was so...AlmostLegendary...
Why would you do this to yourself? Shouldn't you at least do a google search before you attempt such a confirmation?
My apologies for such a display of ignorance. The correct word was consent. And yes I followed your suggestion and googled it to be sure.
Sorry, but that does matter
Edit: Okay i'll post my take on it i rather than simply saying 'no'. Kinda long-ish though
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While this talk about Jinbe joining the SH's was fine and all during the marineford arc, 3 important events involving the warlords have happened since then.
- Moria gets betrayed by the WG(the bad guys) and loses his warlord status and flees.
- Mihawk agrees to train Zoro for 2 years
- Kuma is revealed to of helped the SH's all along and protected thier ship during the time-skip.
The alignment of the warlords is now:
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Allies of SH's- Hancock, Kuma, Crocodile and Jinbe
Mihawk is perhaps more of a 'friendly party' rather than an actual ally. Same thing basically -at this stage he is'nt against the SH's.
Moriah's process to become an ally of the SH's has already begun with the betrayal of the WG and losing his status. It would be very surprising if he came back into the story as a villain again, otherwise that betrayal would be kinda pointless.
Doflamingo is still a villain in the story as of now. But the SH's have not properly confronted him yet. [/hide]
We have gotten some hints of the backstorys of Croc, Kuma and Moriah as well as Jinbe. I don't expect a detailed backstory for Mihawk anyway. Again doflamingo has none- due to seeing very little of him I suppose(unless this new age stuff is a hint/forshadowing)
So with those 3 events it's becoming clearer that the all the 7 warlords will most likely eventually become allies of the SH's and all have some kind of a backstory and extra characterisation. It seems that is the route Oda chose to take with this group of characters rather than leaving them as villains for the whole story.
Boa Hancock happened to be the first warlord to have her sad backstory and character revealed and such became the first warlord to openly ally with the SH's.(Kuma technically was but we were'nt sure at the time) Some people mistook this character development as reasons for her to become a main character in the story.
Now Jinbe happens to be the second warlord that is going to have his backstory revealed and receive extra characterisation. And people are likely to be making a similar mistake again, thinking that it is forshadowing for him to become a main character.
That is why it matters that he was a warlord. All the warlords will be receiving this treatment and he is not an exception. That is all there is to his development[/hide]
Your theory is plausible, and I even agree with most of it. However, it's not much of a counterargument. You say the warlords will all be allies in the end, which is opinionated in the first place (even though I agree with it), but then you randomly make this leap that joining the crew is somehow in violation of this concept. I see no reason for such an assumption. You're not seriously making the argument that all the warlords will have equal roles, are you? We've been led to believe that Mihawk and Jinbe were likely to be standouts amongst the warlords since East Blue. To what degree was (and still is) uncertain.
Also, your post seems like more of a "I have a theory and it disagrees with yours" rather than a "your theory is wrong and here is proof". Which is fine, but those little misconceptions can cause a lot of headache in this thread.
My apologies for such a display of ignorance. The correct word was consent. And yes I followed your suggestion and googled it to be sure.
You guys (and I don't mean to pick on you specifically) are always so nice and formal with me, even after I call you out. It's almost uncomfortable.
You guys (and I don't mean to pick on you specifically) are always so nice and formal with me, even after I call you out. It's almost uncomfortable.
Most probably fear of the mighty Banhammer