@No:
Wait, Ichigo has a catch phrase ?
Well, it looks like (but, I can't read becasue it is too small ).
@No:
Wait, Ichigo has a catch phrase ?
Well, it looks like (but, I can't read becasue it is too small ).
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what do those characters saying..?
Their dreams.
The message is, "Speaking out your dreams is strength"
By actually expressing your dream out loud, you strengthen it and the determination to make it happen.
That sort of thing.
Their dreams.
The message is, "Speaking out your dreams is strength"
By actually expressing your dream out loud, you strengthen it and the determination to make it happen.That sort of thing.
Well, their dreams are kind of like their catchy phrases as well.
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Also, speaking of dreams, does anyone know what Ichigo dream is?
Like Luffy wants to become pirate king and Naruto wants to become Hokake; but, I believe Ichigo hasn't really say what he wants to become.
@Kaizou:
Well, their dreams are kind of like their catchy phrases as well.
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Also, speaking of dreams, does anyone know what Ichigo dream is?
Like Luffy wants to become pirate king and Naruto wants to become Hokake; but, I believe Ichigo hasn't really say what he wants to become.
Wasn't Ichogos dream to be strong enough to protect his friends? I'm not sure, I have dropped Bleach long time ago.
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@Kaizou:
I believe Ichigo hasn't really say what he wants to become.
Isn't it obvious? A real character!
Their dreams.
The message is, "Speaking out your dreams is strength"
By actually expressing your dream out loud, you strengthen it and the determination to make it happen.That sort of thing.
Alright.
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Ichigo has dreams ?
Wasn't Ichogos dream to be strong enough to protect his friends? I'm not sure, I have dropped Bleach long time ago.
Was it? When I look at Bleach, it is mostly about just situational goal.
What I mean is that, for example, when Luffy solved the conflict from the arc (like Alabasta, Water Seven, etc., etc.), he can still move toward his main goal (become pirate king). For Ichigo, whenever the arc is finished (like Espada arc), he really has nothing to do until some sort of new enemies are introduced.
So, I wonder what Ichigo wants to become at the end. Just become strong enough to protect his friend? That kind of sounds like similar with Bellamy (just become strong).
I just love how energetic and unique the characters in HQ are drawn, whereas Souma to me looks like the "generic anime style," if that's even a thing, and I've never understood its appeal even though it's very popular.
I agree with you totally. Tosh art is sure nice but I wouldn't say it is very personal. I'm not sure I would recognize his other works if I didn't he drew them. Souma is more interesting for me thanks to his writer.
I agree with you totally. Tosh art is sure nice but I wouldn't say it is very personal. I'm not sure I would recognize his other works if I didn't he drew them. Souma is more interesting for me thanks to his writer.
I don't get that part. What do you mean?
I agree with you totally. Tosh art is sure nice but I wouldn't say it is very personal. I'm not sure I would recognize his other works if I didn't he drew them. Souma is more interesting for me thanks to his writer.
It is Souma's story that attract me more and i think it the same with most of the people who read it….
Considering that Luffy is talking about a king, and "ore wa naru tsu", and Naruto's has "fire" in it, they are stating their new year resolutions?
It is Souma's story that attract me more and i think it the same with most of the people who read it….
I think the beginning, the naked girls attracted people; but, they now care for Souma's story.
Considering that Luffy is talking about a king, and "ore wa naru tsu", and Naruto's has "fire" in it, they are stating their new year resolutions?
I think it's a panel from the manga, not a new phrase. At least Luffy's is, which is the only one I can read (he says his "I'm gonna be the pirate king" / "Kaizoku ou ni, ore wa naru").
I think it's a panel from the manga, not a new phrase. At least Luffy's is, which is the only one I can read (he says his "I'm gonna be the pirate king" / "Kaizoku ou ni, ore wa naru").
All of them are from the actual panels; none of them are actually redrawn by the authors.
@Kaizou:
I don't get that part. What do you mean?
Sorry i forgot a word. If I don't know by advance he is drawing, I wouldn't recognize him because he hasn't a distinctive art.
Sorry i forgot a word. If I don't know by advance he is drawing, I wouldn't recognize him because he hasn't a distinctive art.
Well, I do agree that Saeki doesn't really have distinctive art, but he has the artwork which many manga/anime fans like, able to draw pretty girls:wub:.
I just love how energetic and unique the characters in HQ are drawn, whereas Souma to me looks like the "generic anime style," if that's even a thing, and I've never understood its appeal even though it's very popular.
well, like Kaizou just mentioned, it's the naked girls and fanservice. and it's exactly as u're saying "soma looks like the generic anime style". i've always had that in mind, but couldn't find the right word for it. and ya, that's probably exactly the reason; fanservice + anime style of drawing = almost like a high-budgeted fanservice anime in comics-form or something. i'm not dissing here, and i dunno anything about soma (i don't read fanservice), but imo, fans would give stories a chance, even if the story is not that good, just cause they initially got hooked from the pervy stuff. again, i dunno soma's story, so sorry if i'm mistaken… it's just my experience with series overall (what's in my mind: fairy tail).
High Kyuu!! is almost definitely what I'd call the most artistically strong title in Jump at present at least since KAITO wrapped up Cross Manage. It's scratchy style and willingness to stretch and bend anatomy in the name of the team's bird motif is stunning. It's also super-expressive and junk, so that's nice too. Scans never really do it justice for me.
But then there are few titles in Jump where I'd say the art was lacking at the moment. Most are fit for their genre, at the very least.
It is Souma's story that attract me more and i think it the same with most of the people who read it….
Just like how the story of Fairytail attracts people …........
Just like how the story of Fairytail attracts people …........
FT often has more fan service and less story…same thing can't be said about Souma...though it is early days to predict what would happen in future,but i find the Souma's writer quite balanced....
Considering that Luffy is talking about a king, and "ore wa naru tsu", and Naruto's has "fire" in it, they are stating their new year resolutions?
But I thought Giorno became a GANG*STAR back in the 90s.
@Cyan:
But I thought Giorno became a GANG*STAR back in the 90s.
I think Maxterderxter is possibly wrong. I agree with Aohige that the article is about their dreams.
Yeah, I just took a stab to the dark, Aohige actualy knows.
Luffy: Kaizokuou ni ore wa naru!!
Naruto: Ore ga narite- no wa hokage da!!
Toriko: Get into a COMBO with me, and let's make the most awesome FULL COURSE together!
Kuroko: Now we're gonna WIN!!
can't read the rest
well, like Kaizou just mentioned, it's the naked girls and fanservice. and it's exactly as u're saying "soma looks like the generic anime style". i've always had that in mind, but couldn't find the right word for it. and ya, that's probably exactly the reason; fanservice + anime style of drawing = almost like a high-budgeted fanservice anime in comics-form or something. i'm not dissing here, and i dunno anything about soma (i don't read fanservice), but imo, fans would give stories a chance, even if the story is not that good, just cause they initially got hooked from the pervy stuff. again, i dunno soma's story, so sorry if i'm mistaken… it's just my experience with series overall (what's in my mind: fairy tail).
I think you have false predjudice against Souma. If you read it for fanservice you can only end disappointed. Last chapter quite proved that. Well pervy boys had that special chapter.
well, like Kaizou just mentioned, it's the naked girls and fanservice. and it's exactly as u're saying "soma looks like the generic anime style". i've always had that in mind, but couldn't find the right word for it. and ya, that's probably exactly the reason; fanservice + anime style of drawing = almost like a high-budgeted fanservice anime in comics-form or something. i'm not dissing here, and i dunno anything about soma (i don't read fanservice), but imo, fans would give stories a chance, even if the story is not that good, just cause they initially got hooked from the pervy stuff. again, i dunno soma's story, so sorry if i'm mistaken… it's just my experience with series overall (what's in my mind: fairy tail).
Except you know, Souma is one of the most truly-shounen-manga-writing in all of Jump right now.
But sure, carry on your bias without actually reading it.
I have a question. Should I upload the Jump SQ. information in here or prefer to make Jump SQ. thread?
@Kaizou:
Was it? When I look at Bleach, it is mostly about just situational goal.
What I mean is that, for example, when Luffy solved the conflict from the arc (like Alabasta, Water Seven, etc., etc.), he can still move toward his main goal (become pirate king). For Ichigo, whenever the arc is finished (like Espada arc), he really has nothing to do until some sort of new enemies are introduced.
So, I wonder what Ichigo wants to become at the end. Just become strong enough to protect his friend? That kind of sounds like similar with Bellamy (just become strong).
Bellamy's goal is to join Doflamingo's crew.
Luffy: Kaizokuou ni ore wa naru!!
Naruto: Ore ga narite- no wa hokage da!!
Toriko: Get into a COMBO with me, and let's make the most awesome FULL COURSE together!
Kuroko: Now we're gonna WIN!!can't read the rest
No !
This may be the only chance for us to find out Ichigo's actual personal goals !
@No:
No !
This may be the only chance for us to find out Ichigo's actual personal goals !
Didn't Kubo attempt to a dress this at the beginning of the substitute shinigami arc and then never bring it up again?
Except you know, Souma is one of the most truly-shounen-manga-writing in all of Jump right now.
But sure, carry on your bias without actually reading it.
i'm not being biased here. i just think (think) even if it has a very awesome story, it 'probably' wouldn't have continued long if not for the initial fanservice hook, cause many awesome stories r being thrown outta jump, and some other stuff (sorry naruto fans) is still ongoing.
I think you are wrong because a story which mostly relied on fanservice like Pajama didn't last. I personally don't like this kind of story and loved Souma from the get go and that is why it is successful. It's not restricted to a niche audience. I really think you should read it before saying anything more because you have a wrong opinion on what Souma really is. Not that I blame you, I think a lot of readers did the same and that tentacule scene from chapter 1 probably didn't help for those who had prejudice idea on the title when it was just a joke (good one in my opinion).
i'm not being biased here. i just think (think) even if it has a very awesome story, it 'probably' wouldn't have continued long if not for the initial fanservice hook, cause many awesome stories r being thrown outta jump, and some other stuff (sorry naruto fans) is still ongoing.
You really do a disservice to the manga and to Jump by thinking like that without actually having read the thing, you know?
Nothing gets the axe without a very good reason for that, and I think you can safely say that not a single exceptionally good manga has been cancelled in a long, long time. Every cancelled work has had something about them that people have not liked very much relative to how much they like the other WSJ publications, which has eventually led to their downfall.
I'm not sure if you know, but the WSJ lineup is entirely based on the results of the weekly popularity questionnaires submitted by the readership. Once you place in the bottom five for many weeks in a row, you're out. It's not good for Shueisha's business to keep badly grossing manga there any longer. And the thing is that all the series get to run for at least ten weeks (i.e. ten chapters) before they can be discontinued because the ratings only kick in after the eighth week, so every single new manga gets some time to awe the readers. If they fail to do that for whatever reason, they're out. Mere fanservice is never enough to save an uninteresting series – the jump readers aren't exactly stupid -- and only genuinely uninteresting things get the axe.
Souma's rankings, then? Stable top five from the very first week of ratings. That's not something fanservice alone achieves in a magazine that has long-lasting, extremely popular titles like One Piece, Naruto, Gintama, Toriko, now AssClass, and a whole bunch of others. It's quality is so visible and so stellar that people have been able to tell from pretty much chapter five onwards that they are in for something special. It would never have been canned, ever. Besides, even as far as fanservice goes, Soma is the one series in Jump that handles it the most appropriately.
i'm not being biased here. i just think (think) even if it has a very awesome story, it 'probably' wouldn't have continued long if not for the initial fanservice hook, cause many awesome stories r being thrown outta jump, and some other stuff (sorry naruto fans) is still ongoing.
Then you might want to reconsider your definition of a bias.
You are, criticizing a work without actually reading it, sorely based on general preconceived impression and presumption.
Since you declare you don't read the series, the critique is not founded on actual content.
There cannot be a better example of a bias, son.
The part you are passing judgement without knowledge of the content is the prejudiced part.
The part where you are disfavoring the work based on prejudiced information is the bias.
English.
And I make biased opinions all the time, especially when I give hard time to my best friend for favoring moe-content, without me taking any time to learn about the works he cherish, but I am fully self-aware of it.
@kdom: pajama's art wasn't good like soma's though. well, ya, i'll be honest here and say i tried a few chapters….... it's not just that scene only. anyway, ya, fanservice and i don't get well :)
@Toraish:
disservice? nah... It's just that i hate fanservice. even if the story is so awesome.
ya, i know about the ratings, of course. and that's exactly what i mean here; when a series starts off, the first few chapters can never give u any idea about an awesome story, so it ranking that high from the beginning means people got hooked on the fanservice.
well, handling fanservice appropriately means fans who like the not-in-your-face fanservice will get hooked.
@Aohige:
lolz. ok, whatever. i'm not even thaat good with english.
so ya, i think u're right. for me, anything with much pervy stuff is unreadable, and especially cause it gets that popular that i start questioning if there r many pervs around, cause i don't look at the story :)
ya... sorry for being biased :)
@Toraish:
disservice? nah… It's just that i hate fanservice. even if the story is so awesome.
ya, i know about the ratings, of course. and that's exactly what i mean here; when a series starts off, the first few chapters can never give u any idea about an awesome story, so it ranking that high from the beginning means people got hooked on the fanservice.
well, handling fanservice appropriately means fans who like the not-in-your-face fanservice will get hooked.
You know, this is exactly the point that I was trying to make there. Souma was so clearly good and thought-out within the first five chapters that the reason people got attracted to it and gave it a stupendous amount of votes in the questionnaires has nothing at all to do with fanservice.
As a reader, you can't tell whether the entire plot is going to be good on the basis of just a few chapters, but you can tell whether the characters are going to have depth, whether the premise is interesting, whether the style of humor the series has resonates with you, whether the art is good, etc. And Souma had all of those aspects checked right from the get-go. The fanservice wasn't the thing that got people into it, it was the sensation of reading something good.
@Toraish:
You know, this is exactly the point that I was trying to make there. Souma was so clearly good and thought-out within the first five chapters that the reason people got attracted to it and gave it a stupendous amount of votes in the questionnaires has nothing at all to do with fanservice.
As a reader, you can't tell whether the entire plot is going to be good on the basis of just a few chapters, but you can tell whether the characters are going to have depth, whether the premise is interesting, whether the style of humor the series has resonates with you, whether the art is good, etc. And Souma had all of those aspects checked right from the get-go. The fanservice wasn't the thing that got people into it, it was the sensation of reading something good.
the first five, maybe, but not the first 1 or 2. and maybe that's ur opinion, but until it's proven the japanese voters think the same way (from the first chapter!), my biased opinion still makes me feel it's the drawn-well pervy stuff :) sorry.
Let's not exagerate things either. Souma characters aren't that deep.
Compared to those of other WSJ series? What Souma have you been reading?
Souma himself, Tadokoro, and even Erina all give a whooping to most characters in Bleach, Naruto, Toriko, Gintama, AssClass, Nisekoi, and many other shonen works that I've read on the depth department.
Now, unlike most people here, I can't really argue my opinions or back them up with knowledge on literary techniques or what not.
So I can't say whether or not Souma characters are deep.
But as an ordinary reader, I can say that they are enjoyable to follow, and that when I read Souma for the first time, I knew from the first chapter that Souma would be a great character to follow and read about.
And the fanservice, while distracting at times, isn't enough to detract from the overall enjoyableness of the manga. In fact, at some points, it's kinda smart and funny.
I have to also say that Shokugeki No Souma is one of those manga that I just can't wait to read when a new chapter is out. Its got a good story, I love the characters, the theme which is food just appeals to me and most importantly in my opinion, is the art. I really love the art and knowing that the artist used to make hentai kicks the whole fanservice thing up a notch(which is also good).
Let's not exagerate things either. Souma characters aren't that deep.
I probably know what you mean but the way you phrased it rubs me the wrong way especially in the context of jump and to some extent manga in general.
It's cause that's kind of the standard phrase you hear from some teen who's definition of "deep" begins and ends with "psychological torment".
You ain't a person of much essence when you haven't survived cancer, went through being a child soldier and stood up to oppressive racism!!!
Urgh…
I'll just leave that I think Soma has really well realized characters that are fun and feel like people and has engaging character progression at least the ones that had the pleasure to receive the necessary screen time. One also should keep in mind that "deep" characters are not suited for every kind of story sometimes the story demands a point to be driven home that can only be done by a cardboard cutout.
Also lol to anyone that thinks Soma is only about titillation seriously hasn't read it.
Great humour, relatable characters a strong gimmick that could have been tired out after 10 chapters still finds ways to be entertaining after ~50.
Clear character motivation, enjoyable character growth and good food(seriously who hates good food?).
There's plenty of reasons to like it, if anything if you're in for Soma for the pervs I feel you're not getting that much out of it.
Wasn't the guy drawing stuff that would serve that purpose better before?
@Toraish:
Compared to those of other WSJ series? What Souma have you been reading?
Souma himself, Tadokoro, and even Erina all give a whooping to most characters in Bleach, Naruto, Toriko, Gintama, AssClass, Nisekoi, and many other shonen works that I've read on the depth department.
that's just a personal opinion too. and plus, if we go but what u're saying, still, this couldn't have been felt from the first chapter or so to get it that high up.
I have to also say that Shokugeki No Souma is one of those manga that I just can't wait to read when a new chapter is out. Its got a good story, I love the characters, the theme which is food just appeals to me and most importantly in my opinion, is the art. I really love the art and knowing that the artist used to make hentai kicks the whole fanservice thing up a notch(which is also good).
lolz. i know to some people pervy stuff doesn't matter, but that sentence is exactly what i've been saying since the start… and that's the majority of opinions i see on forums, manga scanlation sites, etc... and that's a big part of where my bias came from, i guess. i know this is just fans in the west, but still, fanservice love isn't restricted to areas.
Deep characters in souma, will just spoil the manga. Period. The characters are ok as they are and changing them will just ruin the whole story. There some manga that don't mix well with deep characters and Souma is one of them.
the first five, maybe, but not the first 1 or 2. and maybe that's ur opinion, but until it's proven the japanese voters think the same way (from the first chapter!), my biased opinion still makes me feel it's the drawn-well pervy stuff :) sorry.
Hmmmmm, it sounds like that you think Souma is ecchi-crazy series like To Love-Ru.
I suggest maybe you should try actually read the series rather than making the biased opinion with just impression.
that's just a personal opinion too. and plus, if we go but what u're saying, still, this couldn't have been felt from the first chapter or so to get it that high up.
Do you want me to back it up, perhaps? This is not a mere personal opinion, this is an easily discussable fact. All you have to do is take the characters you want to compare, count the written moments of character introspection and the overall examination of the emotions of a human being that in a written work happens through the characters, count the linked moments of character development that further affects the storyline, and analyze their effects.
As someone who has read both Souma and all of those series I mentioned there, I can safely say that there is a lot more of that in Souma than there is in any other manga that I mentioned there, and it has been there from the very first chapters.
@Kaizou:
Hmmmmm, it sounds like that you think Souma is ecchi-crazy series like To Love-Ru.
I suggest maybe you should try actually read the series rather than making the biased opinion with just impression.
no no. i know to-love ru is like 80% through what hentai is.
i dunno, but tell me, is it like fairy tail's level of fanservice? cause if it is, then it's really hard for me to just read and ignore the pervy parts. the thing i hate the most about mangas is wasted potential. if something has a great story, but has all those fanservice stuff thrown in, for me, personally, it becomes a real shame.
no no. i know to-love ru is like 80% through what hentai is.
i dunno, but tell me, is it like fairy tail's level of fanservice? cause if it is, then it's really hard for me to just read and ignore the pervy parts. the thing i hate the most about mangas is wasted potential. if something has a great story, but has all those fanservice stuff thrown in, for me, personally, it becomes a real shame.
From your personal view, is fanservice about the girls appear with naked or the girls get aroused with wearing the cloth?
@Toraish:
Do you want me to back it up, perhaps? This is not a mere personal opinion, this is an easily discussable fact. All you have to do is take the characters you want to compare, count the written moments of character introspection and the overall examination of the emotions of a human being that in a written work happens through the characters, count the linked moments of character development that further affects the storyline, and analyze their effects.
As someone who has read both Souma and all of those series I mentioned there, I can safely say that there is a lot more of that in Souma than there is in any other manga that I mentioned there, and it has been there from the very first chapters.
introspection, emotions, linked developments, etc… ... ... sorry bro, but for me, all those can never ever be felt from the first chapter. and also, and that's my biggest concern, not everyone thinks that way. we aren't in an english literature exam where u have to analyze the depth of the character using introspection and human being emotions. i'm in the normal-thinking group, bro… and i can take "loving the character cause he's enjoyable to watch as it goes on, and that he's cool and stuff". but this is not something to be discussed, imo.
@Kaizou:
From your personal view, is fanservice about the girls appear with naked or the girls get aroused with wearing the cloth?
lolz. both. but if it's just a scene or 2, i can just ignore them and skip through, but if it's continuous (fairy tail), then it's really hard to skip.
no no. i know to-love ru is like 80% through what hentai is.
i dunno, but tell me, is it like fairy tail's level of fanservice? cause if it is, then it's really hard for me to just read and ignore the pervy parts. the thing i hate the most about mangas is wasted potential. if something has a great story, but has all those fanservice stuff thrown in, for me, personally, it becomes a real shame.
It's not just thrown in. It's not there to drag anything down. There's nothing wasted it actually adds to the series.
It's not like in Kenichi where you can't help but roll your eyes with how obtrusive some of the stuff is.
The "fanservice" as you call it is a staple visual gag of the series. It adds to the humor and general tone of the series.
It's very much how all the gratuitous sex scenes in game of thrones aren't just there to give out boners. It's there to establish tone.
What those shots accomplish in Soma is give the food they're tasting easy to understand visual feedback/impact, it's humorous and rather creative at times.
It's a really good gimmick and I'm one of the people that got a bit bored of the overuse of just erotic tastegasm shots(around chapter 20 or something I think).
He's been trying to mix it up since.
Someone should line up all the tastegasm shots of the series and people should vote how titillating those actually are on a scale of 1-10.
Results might surprise. Magical cabbage "girls" should be pretty fun.