The "Shueisha" Thread

Enzeru

Oh god, this has got to be embarassing.

From the recent 2ch log and identity hacks, a light novel writer was identified as posting various flaming posts about various WSJ manga he dislikes - which isn't that bad since it's posted in such thread (Survival thread where people criticize or slam manga that'd doing bad in polls), but also on thread about his own works, he posted anonymously praising himself and his novels.

Time to change the pen-name I assume?

Are his name and the title of his book known as well?

Wes

Not that big of a deal, anyone trying to sell something will boast about the product.

Takaho

@Wes:

Not that big of a deal, anyone trying to sell something will boast about the product.

There's boasting and then there is posing as fans trying to stir up praise for your book.

Unrequited

@Wes:

Not that big of a deal, anyone trying to sell something will boast about the product.

Nice try light novel writer.

Nidhoeggr

Gunjou Senki sounds interesting, a shame we don't have scans.

And there are threads just for bashing all bad WSJ series? Is it similar to the Naruto and Bleach thread?

Aohige_AP

@Enzeru:

Are his name and the title of his book known as well?

Hikaru Sugii, best known for Kamisama no Memochou (God's Memopad) which was animated a few years back.

@Nidhoeggr:

And there are threads just for bashing all bad WSJ series? Is it similar to the Naruto and Bleach thread?

No, it makes Naruto and Bleach thread seem like sunshine and rainbows.

Nidhoeggr

@Aohige_AP:

No, it makes Naruto and Bleach thread seem like sunshine and rainbows.

I am really interested in that right now: What series do they usually bash (I assume Edison is among them), do they have "tiers" or special terms that appeared over time? Intercultural exchange might be useful in this case.

Enzeru

@Aohige_AP:

Hikaru Sugii, best known for Kamisama no Memochou (God's Memopad) which was animated a few years back.

Hahaha I watched that one like a week ago. That fucker should rather concentrate on releasing his next book instead of kissing his own ass online.

edit: Nid's right. Maybe we can get some useful tips for bashing from them.

Aohige_AP

@Nidhoeggr:

I am really interested in that right now: What series do they usually bash (I assume Edison is among them), do they have "tiers" or special terms that appeared over time? Intercultural exchange might be useful in this case.

Nisekoi, Soul Catchers, and Smokey BB are frequently bashed (although Nisekoi topic doesn't belong in the thread)
Mutou Black, and Cross Manage were often target as well.
Surprisingly not so much Edison, mainly because it was unanimously considered worthless to even talk about.
Then the occasional "I hate OP because it's popular" guy that's mostly ignored since the thread is about manga that's doing bad and about to be canned.

And no you don't want to mimic it, a lot of it aren't constructive criticism, just trashy shit talkin'
They also make a 180 turn around when they're wrong, thanks to being anonymous
I remember when AC and Soma started there was a lot of bashing, and they all STFU when it became obvious how successful they were. LOL

Nidhoeggr

Why Cross manage, though? I have only read the first volume, but it seems refreshing and charming.

And Nisekoi surely deserves the trashing, I hate this uninspired excuse for a series.

Monkey King

@Aohige_AP:

Nisekoi, Soul Catchers, and Smokey BB are frequently bashed (although Nisekoi topic doesn't belong in the thread)
Mutou Black, and Cross Manage were often target as well.
Surprisingly not so much Edison, mainly because it was unanimously considered worthless to even talk about.
Then the occasional "I hate OP because it's popular" guy that's mostly ignored since the thread is about manga that's doing bad and about to be canned.

And no you don't want to mimic it, a lot of it aren't constructive criticism, just trashy shit talkin'
They also make a 180 turn around when they're wrong, thanks to being anonymous
I remember when AC and Soma started there was a lot of bashing, and they all STFU when it became obvious how successful they were. LOL

Hey Aohige, I'm wondering.

When the last three or so volumes of YYH were coming out in Jump…were they sketchy disasters ala HxH? Mostly fixed for the volumes?

Cruithne

@Aohige_AP:

And no you don't want to mimic it, a lot of it aren't constructive criticism, just trashy shit talkin'

No silly image macros or anything? :[

(Well, ASCII art would be all you could do, but still.)

Aohige_AP

@Monkey:

Hey Aohige, I'm wondering.

When the last three or so volumes of YYH were coming out in Jump…were they sketchy disasters ala HxH? Mostly fixed for the volumes?

I don't remember specifically last three volumes, but it was not rare for YYH to have rough sketches on Jump.
So yes, Togashi's bad habit was already around back then.

Aohige_AP

BTW, anyone following Koe no Katachi in Shounen Magazine?
I never read the original… but when it was published as one-shot in Bessatu Magazine, it was voted number 1 in the polls by a landslide, topping Shingeki no Kyojin, Aku no Hana, and Doubutsu no Kuni, apparently. It's rather painful to read as the subject is "bullying" and interacting with disabled children.

I only started following the serialization version that started a month ago, and just read the 4th chapter (latest one).
This needs to be translated ASAP. It's painful to read, but I have a feeling everyone should read this.

Enzeru

Couldn't they just have kept it a one-shot? I feel like it has more impact that way since it was a short but strong story. Don't really see how serializing it would benefit the story itself.

Aohige_AP

Well, with the latest chapter, the story is going into highschool era - which the short never got to.
Since bullying in an elementary school and in a highschool setting is completely different beast, I figure it's going to tackle that as well.

And perhaps Ishida's redemption, as he was pretty inexcusably terrible all the way to the end.

Bigivel

@Aohige_AP:

BTW, anyone following Koe no Katachi in Shounen Magazine?
I never read the original… but when it was published as one-shot in Bessatu Magazine, it was voted number 1 in the polls by a landslide, topping Shingeki no Kyojin, Aku no Hana, and Doubutsu no Kuni, apparently. It's rather painful to read as the subject is "bullying" and interacting with disabled children.

I only started following the serialization version that started a month ago, and just read the 4th chapter (latest one).
This needs to be translated ASAP. It's painful to read, but I have a feeling everyone should read this.

The one-shot and the first chapter are already translated! I'm gonna check it soon (I have yet to read Terraformars new volume )

Enzeru

@Aohige_AP:

Well, with the latest chapter, the story is going into highschool era - which the short never got to.
Since bullying in an elementary school and in a highschool setting is completely different beast, I figure it's going to tackle that as well.

And perhaps Ishida's redemption, as he was pretty inexcusably terrible all the way to the end.

The bullying is supposed to continue in highschool? Are they trying to break the poor girl's mentality? I had hoped now that she's older the bullying would stop once and for all. Or at least that she's now more confident in herself and can face it head-on. Poor thing.

Black Leg

I remember reading the one-shot and the first chapter for Koe no Katchi awhile ago and I'm not sure if my poor heart can take it. Series about bullying in highschools always open up my tear ducts even if the stories do escalate to ridiculous levels.

Kdom

The translations are not regular yet. Maybe if it is depressing, that explains why. I've read a touching manga about the history of sign language introduction in Japan called Wagayubi no orchestra. If you can find it (French or Japanese) don't hesitate to give it a try.

DarthAsthma

@Aohige_AP:

BTW, anyone following Koe no Katachi in Shounen Magazine?
I never read the original… but when it was published as one-shot in Bessatu Magazine, it was voted number 1 in the polls by a landslide, topping Shingeki no Kyojin, Aku no Hana, and Doubutsu no Kuni, apparently. It's rather painful to read as the subject is "bullying" and interacting with disabled children.

I only started following the serialization version that started a month ago, and just read the 4th chapter (latest one).
This needs to be translated ASAP. It's painful to read, but I have a feeling everyone should read this.

I've read the one-shot a while ago and it touched me, it was very well done. That said I'm not too eager to jump into the serialization because I had a feeling that the bullying is probably going to be dragged out over several chapters since that was pretty much the core struggle of the one-shot.

I could stomach that for the one-shot since it's more contained and the ending kind of left a redemptive outlook.
But I don't think I want to see all that stuff going on for several chapters, it's really the kind of thing that upsets me a lot. It might be a bit irrational but I find that stuff way more disgusting than any kind of violence I've seen in manga.
It's probably at the same time a testament though to the work itself.

So I don't know, with bullying as a main theme I have a really short fuse before the protagonist becomes irredeemable in my eyes. At that point it gets really hard to care for the moment of regret and the drama surrounding that. At that point I wouldn't be able to enjoy the story anymore since I would always think "f*** off" about the protagonists situation.

So how bad is it?

sggupta

@Aohige_AP:

BTW, anyone following Koe no Katachi in Shounen Magazine?
I never read the original… but when it was published as one-shot in Bessatu Magazine, it was voted number 1 in the polls by a landslide, topping Shingeki no Kyojin, Aku no Hana, and Doubutsu no Kuni, apparently. It's rather painful to read as the subject is "bullying" and interacting with disabled children.

I only started following the serialization version that started a month ago, and just read the 4th chapter (latest one).
This needs to be translated ASAP. It's painful to read, but I have a feeling everyone should read this.

yeah,i read the one-shot just recently and then coincidentally it began serialising at the same time.it was very good,a bit sad and melancholic,but that's the appeal.i had thought that the entire serialisation would focus on the elementary-school story,and so thought it would be quite painful to read on a regular basis.but it's quite heartening to know that the main focus wouldn't just be the elementary-school time.although i wouldn't have minded if it was,it just wouldn't have been much good for my emotional state.
i'm also hoping that someone would pick it up.it deserves to be read by everyone.i read the raw of the second chapter,and it seemed to be good(of course i couldn't understand the dialogue.)

Cruithne

Christ that oneshot was depressing.

Kizuchan

That oneshot was great. Depressing, but still heartwarming. Gonna be following this.

Aohige_AP

Smokey BB R.I.P

It didn't suck that bad, but the latter chapters were significantly worse and worse.
The artist is good, I hope he can continue his career somewhere.

Maxy B

For real, Kawada has the potential to be one of the greater artists in jump's stable, if only he had a writer who matched him. But regardless of Komiyama's shitty writing as the series went on, I'm still super bummed out that the first WSJ baseball comic in like 7 years crashed and burned.

Aohige_AP

It could have easily been the next Soma if the writing didn't deteriorate so quickly.
In fact, in retrospect, I think the art was majority of the appeal from the start to begin with.
The lines were always awkward, never really effectively structured.
(unlike say, Kurokuroku which does a good job of boke/tsukkomi manzai speeches)

Looks like couple of new series on the horizon too, I guess to replace Smokey and Jaco.
Still nothing to fill Mutou's place, and running at 19 serialization count though.

auem

what about Soul Catchers..?..it is close to the bottom too…

Aohige_AP

Yes very.
There's a good chance it'll be at dead last next issue.

No Maam

So I realize the reasons quite well but I'm on chapter 197 of Kinnikuman and, well, it's not gripping me as much as I hoped. The fights have become better, but I'm kinda missing the pre-wrestling days of the series a bit either way.

bepo

@Aohige_AP:

BTW, anyone following Koe no Katachi in Shounen Magazine?
I never read the original… but when it was published as one-shot in Bessatu Magazine, it was voted number 1 in the polls by a landslide, topping Shingeki no Kyojin, Aku no Hana, and Doubutsu no Kuni, apparently. It's rather painful to read as the subject is "bullying" and interacting with disabled children.

I only started following the serialization version that started a month ago, and just read the 4th chapter (latest one).
This needs to be translated ASAP. It's painful to read, but I have a feeling everyone should read this.

Thank you for the tip, it is kinda painfull but also how bullieng really feels. Finaly a highschool manga with some realism

stephen

@Aohige_AP:

The lines were always awkward, never really effectively structured.
(unlike say, Kurokuroku which does a good job of boke/tsukkomi manzai speeches)

A lot of the back-and-forth quips reminded me of American-style sarcasm and movie one-liners, which don't really seem to fit very well in Japanese dialogue.
It's a shame since I liked the main character and LOVE baseball manga, but it definitely lost me after the first few chapters.

tion

i read that next issue of WSJ will be on saturday and not on Monday, is it true?

Maxy B

indeed, it's true, sometimes weekly shonen jump comes out on saturdays

Skadi

There´s still no info of which mangas get color cover next issue?

Maxy B

the new series by nishi, i think? or is that the issue after. the new series anyway

auem

Bleach (Cover & Lead Color Page)
Assassination Classroom
One Piece
PSI Kusuo Saiki (Center Color)
Toriko
Shokugeki no Soma
Kurokuroku
Naruto
Gaikokkaku Morita / Takudo!!! (One shot, Center Color, 47p)
Hime-Dol!!
Gintama
Nisekoi
World Trigger
Ginga Patrol Jaco
Kuroko no Basket
Beelzebub
Soul Catcher(S)
Haikyuu!!
Kochikame
Smoky B.B. (END)

Jump Issue #42 Information
Cover & Lead CP: Hachi by Yoshiyuki Nishi (New Series)
CP:Assassination Classroom, Gintama, Haikyuu!!

Jump Issue #43 Information
Cover & Lead CP: Koi no Cupid Yakenohara Jin by Hasegawa Tomohiro (New Series)

Big_Bad_Lith

@No:

So I realize the reasons quite well but I'm on chapter 197 of Kinnikuman and, well, it's not gripping me as much as I hoped. The fights have become better, but I'm kinda missing the pre-wrestling days of the series a bit either way.

Kinnikuman only got better and better, for me.

in this case, "better" means "even more shit-eating insane". the more it tries to be serious and have actual character developments and such, the more its absurdities shine through. The entire fight with Asura Shogun, for instance -

Making up a new scale of power levels, in this case for hardness? check
bullshit calling upon defeated enemies for power? check
making up new powers for the villain on the fly, with no sense of coherence whatsoever? check
blatant ignorance of physics (spinning makes you harder)? check
giant piledriver to deal the finishing blow? check
pieces of the enemy being forgotten, only to regenerate later? check

I swear, if Kinnikuman does get in that new J-Stars game I'm gonna flip a chojin

Aohige_AP

Kinnikuman was also the one of the pioneers of "measurable power level" and it was also one of the first one to drive home how pointless they were. (heroes with powers 1/100 of enemies can overpower them, proving how useless the Super Human Strength levels were)

EDIT: LOL Mutou Black sold much less than even Edison, which is already abysmally low. (exact figures not revealed, too low to be on oricon data)

Purple Hermit

@Aohige_AP:

EDIT: LOL Mutou Black sold much less than even Edison, which is already abysmally low. (exact figures not revealed, too low to be on oricon data)

Well when you've got a rehashed blow by blow ripoff of Kenshin without any sort of charm and no progressively cuter girls, it was only meant to be.

Maxy B

it seems realistic to sy that i may be the only person whos actually gonna buy mutou black

fana

@Aohige_AP:

EDIT: LOL Mutou Black sold much less than even Edison, which is already abysmally low. (exact figures not revealed, too low to be on oricon data)

The latest oricon data ends at September 1st. We don't have figures for the September releases (not that it will be different from your comment in Mutou's case).

Aohige_AP

@fana:

The latest oricon data ends at September 1st. We don't have figures for the September releases (not that it will be different from your comment in Mutou's case).

The daily 500 ranking data is already available at the usual shosekiranking place, but the volume data won't be available in oricon (since it will not be in the top 50). Is what I mean.

Skadi

Oh I was expecting Toriko to get a color cover for its chapter 250

fana

@Aohige_AP:

The daily 500 ranking data is already available at the usual shosekiranking place, but the volume data won't be available in oricon (since it will not be in the top 50). Is what I mean.

Ok. I didn't know that a daily ranking existed.
What about Soul Catchers and the 2nd volume of World Trigger ? Can we expect them to appear on the Oricon ranking ?

Edit : Nevermind, I found that ranking. If I get it right it goes like this for the new WSJ volumes :
1 - Naruto
2 - SnS
3 - Gintama
4 - Nisekoi
6 - Medaka Box
7 - Beelzebub
9 - Saiki
15 - World Trigger
20 - Soul Catchers
21 - Cross Manage
62 - Smoky B.B
120 - Edison

No Maam

@Big_Bad_Lith:

Kinnikuman only got better and better, for me.

in this case, "better" means "even more shit-eating insane". the more it tries to be serious and have actual character developments and such, the more its absurdities shine through. The entire fight with Asura Shogun, for instance -

Making up a new scale of power levels, in this case for hardness? check
bullshit calling upon defeated enemies for power? check
making up new powers for the villain on the fly, with no sense of coherence whatsoever? check
blatant ignorance of physics (spinning makes you harder)? check
giant piledriver to deal the finishing blow? check
pieces of the enemy being forgotten, only to regenerate later? check

I swear, if Kinnikuman does get in that new J-Stars game I'm gonna flip a chojin

There's also this brilliant display of logic.

http://www.mangareader.net/361-25203-2/kinnikuman/chapter-208.html http://www.mangapanda.com/361-25203-2/kinnikuman/chapter-208.html Because clearly having the same roughly estimated power level means you can become his body.

Obviously right ?

Maxy B

I love what Kinnikuman's like now, which is just… well, more so what it was before. Completely and utterly balls out insane with weird writing that never quite makes sense. Less so than the weird Ultimate Muscle sequel thing with all the time travel bollocks, but still pretty special.

No Maam

@Maxy:

I love what Kinnikuman's like now, which is just… well, more so what it was before. Completely and utterly balls out insane with weird writing that never quite makes sense. Less so than the weird Ultimate Muscle sequel thing with all the time travel bollocks, but still pretty special.

After having gotten past the Golden Mask arc and seeing yet another tournament set up right away, I have to say I sort of miss the "good old days" when this series could be about whatever it wanted, not just wrestling.

sniperking323

Hey Aohige, can you explain something about Kinnikuman to me? Did the manga actually end? Or is it still going on (maybe through different incarnations)? I remember seeing rankings for different manga volumes a couple of months ago that included a Volume 37 of Kinnikuman. Which confused me when I've seen different places on the net list the series as being 36 volumes long.

Aohige_AP

@sniperking323:

Hey Aohige, can you explain something about Kinnikuman to me? Did the manga actually end? Or is it still going on (maybe through different incarnations)? I remember seeing rankings for different manga volumes a couple of months ago that included a Volume 37 of Kinnikuman. Which confused me when I've seen different places on the net list the series as being 36 volumes long.

Sequel (not 2nd gen) is ongoing as web comic on Playboy's website.
http://wpb.shueisha.co.jp/2013/09/02/8000/ NSFW - it's Playboy what do you expect

Updated every week and already up to its 70th chapter