At the end there, do you think Mirajane was referring to Laxus or Natsu?
Fairy Taint Discussion II
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I think she was referring to Gildarts.
Anyway, as for how Mirajane "died" and Lisanna didn't, it looks like the bomb
originated from the timer, which was further up front, and not the tree roots. http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/58243627/8
So when Mirajane hugged Lisanna tightly, her back took the brunt of the explosion, and its been proven on mythbusters that the person-on-top-of-grenade thing reduces the damage to others lol.
Either way, as cheesy and unexplainable as it is, the outcome was certainly better than Mirajane beating Azuma at the last second or whatever else that was to be expected from Mashima. -
I think she was referring to Gildarts.
Anyway, as for how Mirajane "died" and Lisanna didn't, it looks like the bomb
originated from the timer, which was further up front, and not the tree roots. http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/58243627/8
So when Mirajane hugged Lisanna tightly, her back took the brunt of the explosion, and its been proven on mythbusters that the person-on-top-of-grenade thing reduces the damage to others lol.
Either way, as cheesy and unexplainable as it is, the outcome was certainly better than Mirajane beating Azuma at the last second or whatever else that was to be expected from Mashima.That doesn't work when both people's torsos are facing the bomb. By hugging the bomb she is literally hugging the bomb closer to Lisanna.
It doesn't make sense.
I'm not trying to get it to make sense, mind you,; it just doesn't.
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Another thing that bothers me about the whole bomb business (seriously don´t call it that if it isn´t one -.-) why didn´t Lisanna use her Animal soul to escape the rooting? There was no mention of it restricting magic usage and i doubt the roots would instantly tighten if she would have transformed into a bird or an insect or basically anything smaller or more slender than herself.
Transforming into a fish can´t be the exten of her abilities otherwise she should have stayed dead. Last thing that was needed was a constant damsel in distress
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Another thing that bothers me about the whole bomb business (seriously don´t call it that if it isn´t one -.-) why didn´t Lisanna use her Animal soul to escape the rooting? There was no mention of it restricting magic usage and i doubt the roots would instantly tighten if she would have transformed into a bird or an insect or basically anything smaller or more slender than herself.
Transforming into a fish can´t be the exten of her abilities otherwise she should have stayed dead. Last thing that was needed was a constant damsel in distress
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don't say such things
you'll just make it worse
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If Mashima was reading that.
Mashima: Ooops, forgot about that, next time…next time I'll remember.
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Overall it was kind of a good chapter if you overlook the Natsu BS talk once again. Looks like
SasukeZeref has finally awakened to choke a few bitches. I hope he won't disappoint considering the hype he got. The Mirajane fight started off as good although it's obvious Mashima doesn't really know how to use Lisanna so he just turns her into the load. Also I would have liked to see more of her powers.By the way about the foreshadowed death are there already predictions who the person lying on the ground is? I'd like to vote for Makarov but somehow I think this is too obvious and Mashima will go with someone else. Emo boy would have been a good bet too because he seems to have a death wish but then again Cana crying doesn't make any sense in that context. Actually Cana might be the key to this scene since her involvement was kind of random. Who is she even best aquainted with in the guild except from Lucy?
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The mysterious person she wants to be an S class for ?
Oh one more thing , I hope Ultear does not end up like that what was it , Rena chick from Rave. The OS member who fell for Musica.
Don't get me wrong , as a romance, especialy a more or less tragic one, it was something Hiro has failed to replicate in Fairy Tail, but what I mean is I don't want her being with the bad guy's have some sort of deeply moral explanation.
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Ull having romantic feelings for Zerif? That's the last thing that crossed my mind. We don't need another ErzaxGerald.
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In the Anime, Gerard explains that her name means "Ur's Tears", and she got extremely angry when Meredy called her Ul, which is pronounced the same as Ur in Japanese. She's already got mother issues, it seems. Her father has never been revealed, though it would be hilarious if it was Zeref.
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Ull having romantic feelings for Zerif? That's the last thing that crossed my mind. We don't need another ErzaxGerald.
Not necessarily.
What I meant was if someone did something bad to her papa and she joined up with GH for…..justice.
It realy didn't work with Rena too much.
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The mysterious person she wants to be an S class for ?
Gosh I really should update on my FT knowledge I can't believe I missed that. Well maybe that Zeref guy is really the one who will die and it makes sense because he's somehow connected to Natsu already and by some stretch could be connected to Cana too. But then again I'm just guessing into the blue but it would be interesting if it turned out right though and Natsu actually kills someone for once. That would fit his expression in the vision better as well he looks kind of more shocked than sad. Then again I'm never right with that stuff so we are probably safe.
Ultear's fascination with Zeref always irked me a bit. She shouldn't even know since he's been long dead. Also how she turned out like that even though her mother was a righteous mage is still a mystery. Maybe she experienced the same as Gerard and he manipulated her into becoming like that.
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We know shit about her mother?
Oh God she is Rena traced into Fairy Tail.
Great.
Don't get me wrong, I liked it in Rave, but I believe Hiro has since realy lost the youthfull, experimenting personality that actualy made him do stuff in Rave and not suck the nakama keychain every two chapters.
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I really doubt Zeref is going to be the dead one since he was shown in that same vision, looking like he was giving what I assume to be one of those ''this is what you get for being weak, blah blah I'm channeling Hannibal Lector'' speeches. Plus it would be kind of anticlimactic if the hyped ultimate-evil-creator-of-magic-itself Zeref was taken out in the very same arc he was introduced in.
Despite the recent missteps, I have to admit that if Mashima is trying to leave us guessing as to which side will ultimately ''win'' at the end of the arc, he's doing a good job of it.
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Ah I see what you mean. I'm not sure if the case would be a bad thing for Ul. She kinda always struck me as a minion for her own personal gain or connections with Zerif. The reveal of why could either make or break her… Though with Hiro's writting, I assume it would break her XP.
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I really doubt Zeref is going to be the dead one since he was shown in that same vision, looking like he was giving what I assume to be one of those ''this is what you get for being weak, blah blah I'm channeling Hannibal Lector'' speeches. Plus it would be kind of anticlimactic if the hyped ultimate-evil-creator-of-magic-itself Zeref was taken out in the very same arc he was introduced in.
The thing is we don't even know if that guy is the real Zeref. If he's just serving as temporal vessel he could be pretty much everyone. Also Zeref was never really associated with that Death magic before. If anything he was exactly the opposite since he created incredibly powerful creatures like Deliora. It just seems kind of iffy. Don't get me wrong I would be happy if this is the real Zeref who kicks Fairy Tails asses and kills someone, like I said this is just guessing without any proof whatsoever.
I admit though it's a good point that Zeref is in the vision as well and I'm curious to how it will play out in the end. I just hope the person who dies will really stay dead in the end.
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idk, every time i see someone mention zeref around ultear or she mentions him she starts blushing and sounding like she just popped a big boner
but maybe that's just me
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Shes been a zelot for Zeref since she was a little kid or I guess Hades raised her like that. She was the one who brainwashed Gerard when she was a little kid right.
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I'm sorry but I refuse to believe that Mirajane is dead. For one of the more standout characters in Fairy Tail, it would be too rushed and anticlimactic. For all we know, she'll either be back in a couple of chapters or by the end of the arc.
And let's face it, if Pell can survive a bomb blast head on, there's no reason why anybody else in Shonen comics can't.
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Makarov is still alive.
Gerard is immortal.
You have nothing to fear.
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Natsu will become s class and Mirajane will die and Laxus will come back and take her s class spot filling the s class ranks and Lisanna will get stronger so she can protect her friends/family and Zeref Urtear and then hades uses the keys to unlock his power or memories and Lucy gets another key maybe Gildartz will rescue the remaining fairytale members there.
If the guild leader dies then Gildartz will become new master also opening up a spot for another s class but then mirajane wont die i don't think if that happens.
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If Mirajane dies they will only need to search for 7 orange balls and wish her back to life. It always goes that way.
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If Mirajane dies they will only need to search for 7 orange balls and wish her back to life. It always goes that way.
They don't really need Mirajane if they can just wish for Natsu's immortality. Or Lucy's panties
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Zancrow is okay enough to make faces. He's fine.
"Yeah, your super power-up that completely exhausted you? I, uh, kindasorta didn't really feel that."
Then he'd just start playing kick-the-Natsu. It's kinda like kick the can, only dumber.
I'm pretty sure I hate Lisanna. Has she done anything at all since being "revived"? I mean, at all? So far it would seem she exists only to drag other people down. Juvia might've been able to beat Erza if her partner's abilities extended beyond "turn into a fish."
After Oracion Seis and Edoras, I was so proud of this arc, up until the past couple of chapters.
Who do you think her sister meant when she said she believed there was someone on the island who could defeat that opponent?
I think she meant Lisanna. I have a problem with this though because if it turns out to be true it's bullshit that her sister had to do all that crap in the first place, so I better be wrong and Grey better show up or some shit.
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Well Elfman will probably defeat the guy taking revenge for his sister. That would be kind of sweet Elfman has kickass powers but was handled poorly until this arc.
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Eh, I'd put my money on her referring to Natsu, since that's not these things usually end up, though someone else would be a pleasant surprise. I just can't see it being Lisanna unless she flies into a Gohan-esque rage and rips Azuma's head off, and Elfman unfortunately reminds me too much of Chad (they even have the same seiyuu!) to really have faith in him.
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I really doubt Zeref is going to be the dead one since he was shown in that same vision, looking like he was giving what I assume to be one of those ''this is what you get for being weak, blah blah I'm channeling Hannibal Lector'' speeches. Plus it would be kind of anticlimactic if the hyped ultimate-evil-creator-of-magic-itself Zeref was taken out in the very same arc he was introduced in.
Despite the recent missteps, I have to admit that if Mashima is trying to leave us guessing as to which side will ultimately ''win'' at the end of the arc, he's doing a good job of it.
I think it's likely that Grimoire Heart underestimated the power of Zeref, even in his 'sleep' state.
For instance, Zeref instantly charred black Luffy's scarf which was imbued with a protection enchantment from the great Red Dragon Igneel, which we can assume to be a super powerful entity when we look at what happened to Gildartz from his mere encounter with a different dragon. And for instance, Zeref appears to have the ability to "take life" instantly, rather than messing around with 'fire' and 'earth' or any of the standard elements. Even subconsciously he is so powerful that he can 'remove life' in an area of effect spell (extremely overpowered).
My prediction is that neither Fairy Tale or Grimmoire Heart will 'win'. My belief is that Zeref will win and Grimmoire Heart will go home packing without what they came for, and Fairy Tale won't be able to do anything about Zeref either.
Zeref stated outright that the only person that could defeat him is Natsu, and he was deeply saddened when Natsu attacked him and it wasn't able to harm him at all.
To me this means that Grimmoire Heart very obviously cannot force Zeref into anything he doesn't already want to do, and his reaction to Ultear implies that he is non friendly to Grimmoire Heart.
That said, we'll see what happens when/if Hades approaches Zeref.
Also, does anyone else find it interesting that Natsu, who was bound by the age seal when Luxus was trying to take over Fairy Tale forcefully, and which was never explained other than that Gajeel was also bound by the seal, is directly recognized by Zeref and stated as the only person who can defeat him?
Zeref, who's presumably been sleeping for quite a while recognizing Natsu by name is very interesting to me considering that previous arc.
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Eh, I'd put my money on her referring to Natsu, since that's not these things usually end up, though someone else would be a pleasant surprise. I just can't see it being Lisanna unless she flies into a Gohan-esque rage and rips Azuma's head off, and Elfman unfortunately reminds me too much of Chad (they even have the same seiyuu!) to really have faith in him.
So far doesn't it seem like the whole family has demon form though? It would be consistent because Elfman and his older sister have demon forms, so it would almost be weird if Lisanna didn't, so ya I kinda do think she is going to go super saiyan now that her sister is non responsive as a direct result of taking an impact for her.
That or like you said Natsu/Grey or someone like that is going to show and go apeshit for her.
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Eh, I'd put my money on her referring to Natsu, since that's not these things usually end up, though someone else would be a pleasant surprise. I just can't see it being Lisanna unless she flies into a Gohan-esque rage and rips Azuma's head off, and Elfman unfortunately reminds me too much of Chad (they even have the same seiyuu!) to really have faith in him.
I really hope you're not right because that would be incredibly cheesy. Natsu rises again and saves the day? Besides why would she bet her hopes on Natsu if Erza's still on the island. She's an S-class after all.
Really Elfman and Chad have the same seiyuu? Well since you hear Chad's voice only every 100 episodes it's easy to forget. It's not hard to forget about Elfman either it's the first arc were he is properly involved. Yet he's one of the more developed characters in FT with the Lisanna backstory and his fear of losing control again (and letting go of that fear to save his sister). It would be great if someone like him could be in the spotlight for once not the other usual 5.
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So Elfman is mexican.
It all suddenly makes sense :ninja:
and it explains Lisanna's ass.
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I really hope you're not right because that would be incredibly cheesy. Natsu rises again and saves the day? Besides why would she bet her hopes on Natsu if Erza's still on the island. She's an S-class after all.
Really Elfman and Chad have the same seiyuu? Well since you hear Chad's voice only every 100 episodes it's easy to forget. It's not hard to forget about Elfman either it's the first arc were he is properly involved. Yet he's one of the more developed characters in FT with the Lisanna backstory and his fear of losing control again (and letting go of that fear to save his sister). It would be great if someone like him could be in the spotlight for once not the other usual 5.
Reading your posts I agree with you, and especially since Elfman did just manage to defeat his sister (albeit not in a match of power but by distracting her, lol), it would be fitting for him to come rescue both of his sisters right now.
I take back my prediction of Lisanna going super saiyan, I hope you are right and Elfman comes and lays the smack down.
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Natsu will become s class and Mirajane will die and Laxus will come back and take her s class spot filling the s class ranks and Lisanna will get stronger so she can protect her friends/family and Zeref Urtear and then hades uses the keys to unlock his power or memories and Lucy gets another key maybe Gildartz will rescue the remaining fairytale members there.
If the guild leader dies then Gildartz will become new master also opening up a spot for another s class but then mirajane wont die i don't think if that happens.
There aren't such "spots" or anything… Natsu can become an S-class mage without any of the actual ones dying or retiring/becoming the guild master.
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Natsu should have been an S-Class Mage a thousand times over by now.
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Prety much.
But of course he has to stay the underdog so he can take the same three people with him every time.
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That's just Natsu theme, the up and coming hero. I personally would finally like to see(as stated many times over by many people on this forum) that his improvements would actually so over time
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Natsu should have been an S-Class Mage a thousand times over by now.
What's more S-Class that defeating Jellal, or Zero or that crazy King in his giant mech?Because none of those victories were accomplished using his own power (Jellal and Zero required outside power-ups, and Gazille and Wendy were helping him against Faust), whereas the S-class mages are that strong without help.
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Not realy.
Points to Erza.
And no, manhandling your friends and striking scary poses before fodder does not outweight when you never actualy fight or beat the main bad.
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I like to think that everytime Natsu gets stronger everyone else also gets stronger, so he won't ever be a S class Mage.
Same thing happens in Pokemon with Ash.
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I like to think that everytime Natsu gets stronger everyone else also gets stronger, so he won't ever be a S class Mage.
Same thing happens in Pokemon with Ash.
I realy hope Natsu dosen't fall into the same scheme Ash has been suffering from for all eternity
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Not realy.
Points to Erza.
And no, manhandling your friends and striking scary poses before fodder does not outweight when you never actualy fight or beat the main bad.
The only main villains that she's fought at this point were Jose (Erza was already hit by the Jupiter Cannon, a building-destroying beam, minutes before) and Gerard (she was fighting fairly evenly with him before he tricked and paralyzed her by playing to her emotional side). In regards to Zero, it doesn't seem like any of the main cast would have been able to beat him without outside assistance - he was keeping up with Natsu's powered-up state, whereas Gerard was getting bounced around like a pinball by that same power-up. Meanwhile, Faust is a feeble old man outside of his dragon mech - on his own, I doubt that he'd be considered a threat.
There are reasons for why she hasn't beaten the arc bosses - you're ignoring them because you dislike her since she beat up a character that you like, which doesn't really effect how they're participating in this ongoing arc anyways since the exam has broken down and now they're just fighting individual opponents.
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No, I don't ignore them, it is common knowledge these reasons are basicly forced onto the story and contrived solely so the last fight in an arc goes to Natsu.
And it's not that I particularly like Lisanna. It's jut that after not letting Juvia do shit for several arcs, and Lisanna being brought back from the dead, they were eliminated in the first round , in what even the master deemed an unecessarily uncompromising way, by Erza.
I just find it grating that she would do that. Were it Gray and Loki I wouldn't have batted a bloody eyelid.
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He's the main character.
It's the same reason why Luffy, Ichigo, etc. will always beat the big bad. They could also lose (then win later) to the big bad, or just run away.
But never will another character BEAT the big-bad. Just not how shonen works.
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@No:
And it's not that I particularly like Lisanna. It's jut that after not letting Juvia do shit for several arcs, and Lisanna being brought back from the dead, they were eliminated in the first round , in what even the master deemed an unecessarily uncompromising way, by Erza.
Poor Juvia. You are still my favorite.
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@No:
No, I don't ignore them, it is common knowledge these reasons are basicly forced onto the story and contrived solely so the last fight in an arc goes to Natsu.
And it's not that I particularly like Lisanna. It's jut that after not letting Juvia do shit for several arcs, and Lisanna being brought back from the dead, they were eliminated in the first round , in what even the master deemed an unecessarily uncompromising way, by Erza.
I just find it grating that she would do that. Were it Gray and Loki I wouldn't have batted a bloody eyelid.
So you're pissed off about Erza doing her job? I'd rather have them fail the exam than advancing because of a free pity ticket. If anything you have to consider that S-class is about highly dangerous missions which could very well end lethal you cannot just go and say ''lawl you pass because I liek you'' and then wonder when said person lies dead on your doorstep two weeks later. <_<
Just my two cents. To be honest Erza isn't by any means my favorite character and I like Luvia more but I'm not going to be butthurt about it because it's still likely that nobody will become S-class at the end of this arc anyway.
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He's the main character.
It's the same reason why Luffy, Ichigo, etc. will always beat the big bad. They could also lose (then win later) to the big bad, or just run away.
But never will another character BEAT the big-bad. Just not how shonen works.
Who is the narrator?
edit: Is the narrator of the story Lucy? This is a question not an assertion.
Also, I think it's extremely likely that by the end of this arc Natsu will be an S-class mage. Others have said this is unlikely and I'd like to know why. Gildartz who is often called the strongest mage in the guild has already essentially given Natsu his seal of approval, Natsu just defeated a super powerful enemy who his guild master pleaded with him to run from, then told Makarov that it was time to fight and defend Fairy Tale. I would argue that Natsu already passed the S-class exam by this point in the story as far as Makarov is concerned and that it simply has not been stated outright yet.
I also think Grey and Lucy will make S-class in this arc, and that Lucy will defeat the goat stellar spirit.
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Yea, the narrator/POV is definitely Lucy. But the hero is Natsu.
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Lissana was good until she came back from the dead.
What's wrong with Natsu having emotional support? It ruins it bringing them back, dammit!
Imagine if Simon suddenly had Kamina pop up out of nowhere when he finally started leading the team.
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Lissana was good until she came back from the dead.
What's wrong with Natsu having emotional support? It ruins it bringing them back, dammit!
Imagine if Simon suddenly had Kamina pop up out of nowhere when he finally started leading the team.
Well,
! He did come back briefly in the dream world and they hung out together for a while until Simon finally realized it was a dream created by the Anti-Spirals.
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He's the main character.
It's the same reason why Luffy, Ichigo, etc. will always beat the big bad. They could also lose (then win later) to the big bad, or just run away.
But never will another character BEAT the big-bad. Just not how shonen works.
Problem is neither of them have someone who is suposedly wastly superior in strength in their main group and yet who stil stay behind.
And please don't make me refer to Bleach outside the Bleach thread.
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Just finished the latest episode.
It still seems random to me how Klodoa was introduced with no explanation and then taken out just as fast.
No we are just left with Zero the giant ham, who is chewing his way through the scenery so fast there soon wont be much left.