One other good sign from Otakon: You know how Funimation likes to do the whole "Buy X amount of stuff from us get Y for free"? They had One Piece puzzles if you spend $100 or more, and apparently there were different ones for each day (I got the one for Sunday - I was lukewarm to Friday's, had Saturday's already, and was like "MUST HAVE" for Sunday).
Funimation dvd discussion II ( UPDATED 8/4/12, FIRST POST FOR F.A.Q)
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This rumor, if true, would have no bearing on licensing season 4 and/or movies.
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After reading this interview I can't help but think this long negotiation process is just Toei wanting to go in a different direction with their english dubs. They apparently want to own them outright instead of dealing with licensees.
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all the link shows is an interview about how toei is handling there classic anime
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I know but then I came across this bit of news about that new Digimon series.
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well thats digimon and do you really think people would buy one piece from 206 onwards with different va's plus it would most likely get rid of some fans because certain people arent voicing the characters they like
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After reading this interview I can't help but think this long negotiation process is just Toei wanting to go in a different direction with their english dubs. They apparently want to own them outright instead of dealing with licensees.
Oh yeah, I was going to post that. It does sort of scare, espicially because I'd hate to be stuck with dub-only and/or compilation films. >_<
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A question. Hipotetically speaking of course, lets assume that there is a re-naming to ONE PIECE for the time-skip, would that allow Funimation to buy the new series and begin dubbing the new episodes? Kinda like instead of buying the Dragon Ball episodes I buy the Dragon Ball Z episodes and dub them.
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Look, that's Digimon and PreCure. Those two shows reboot themselves once a year or whenever they feel like they can make more money off of the series. One Piece, at least to me, is different. It would be harder to sub-contract to another dubbing studio now, which they would have to do if they intend to own the dub themselves since that's not FUNimation's bag (baby). One Piece's dub has already changed hands once, and fans would not be so forgiving about it changing hands again. I think Toei knows this is a suicide move for the series in the states. Besides, I think they can afford to let it slide if they're able to keep Sailor Moon to themselves like I think they're trying to do.
I present exhibit B in terms of FUNimation keeping the One Piece dub:
https://www.facebook.com/FUNimation/posts/10150267474798481This may be fake, but you believed me when I said FUNi wanted more during Anime Boston.
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Toei Animation has already done their own dubs in the past before, look at "Bobobo". That doesn't mean they're thinking of doing the same with "One Piece" all the sudden.
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A question. Hipotetically speaking of course, lets assume that there is a re-naming to ONE PIECE for the time-skip, would that allow Funimation to buy the new series and begin dubbing the new episodes? Kinda like instead of buying the Dragon Ball episodes I buy the Dragon Ball Z episodes and dub them.
Yeah it could happen, but like I said before Toei would probably charge FUNimation twice as much ince it's a brand new series. And I don't think they would give us the new series if the first one isn't that popular.
And to be honest, the 2nd half of One Piece is exactly the same as the first except for the fact that they're older and have stronger attacks and tecniques and the what have you. It's not a giant leap like Dragon Ball Z or Naruto Shippuden.
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"One Piece" is doing fine as far we know, it's just not "Dragonball" big or "Naruto" big. It's at least doing good enough that the simulcast is continuing and that FUNimation wants to put out more DVDs and dub more.
Also I don't see why FUNimation would license a new series when the first one hasn't even been finished getting dubbed. Sure they did that with "Dragonball" but that wasn't their original plan.
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"One Piece" is doing fine as far we know, it's just not "Dragonball" big or "Naruto" big. It's at least doing good enough that the simulcast is continuing and that FUNimation wants to put out more DVDs and dub more.
Also I don't see why FUNimation would license a new series when the first one hasn't even been finished getting dubbed. Sure they did that with "Dragonball" but that wasn't their original plan.
I'm wondering if he means the simulcast. One would think splitting the series in two would make the first part easier to license for a dub, but force interested parties into relicense the simulcast, which might take a little while considering how long it took to get the Toriko simulcast off the ground. God, that's one thing I hope doesn't get licensed to that Winckler production company. They don't seem like the kind of group that pays much respect to the source material.
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IF they do split One Piece into a new series then I would think that Funi would have to reacquire the rights to the simulcast since it is a 'different' series. This may mean that Funi would also need to acquire the series all together since it could be a package deal even though it be a decade before Funi gets around to dubbing it. If this is the case then Funi may already know if the 'New World' arc will kick off the 'new' series and been offer the simulcast rights to it in order to keep things like clockwork for Funi's simulcast of the series. That last part is a big assumption but possible.
Either that or Toei finds kindness in their heart and allows Funi to continue simulcasting the series as if there is no problem.
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Maybe Toei is planning this new series, and working out a deal for the rights to Season 4 and the rights to simulcast/dub the new series when it come along (a package deal, as someone said earlier) and that's what's taking negotiations so long.
On the topic of Toei Dubbing their own shows: I honestly think that if Toei did want to dub One Piece, they would have considered it when 4kids first lost the license. And I'm sure they did consider it, but they obviously decided against it.
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If they do branch off to a new series, I don't expect it to be dubbed until the first is done or until the new series has a good season or two under it's belt.
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Yeah it could happen, but like I said before Toei would probably charge FUNimation twice as much ince it's a brand new series. And I don't think they would give us the new series if the first one isn't that popular.
And to be honest, the 2nd half of One Piece is exactly the same as the first except for the fact that they're older and have stronger attacks and tecniques and the what have you. It's not a giant leap like Dragon Ball Z or Naruto Shippuden.
how can you say the second half of the series is just like the first when we have hardly even gotten started on it!?.We don't know what exciting twists and turns oda may be planning !
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That may be true, down the line, but so far the overall feel of part 2 isn't that different. But who knows, the story might get a little different.
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i have a feeling that funimation has been aware of toeis plans for the new series the whole time,and could be waiting until all 520 episodes have been finished before they can aquire the rights to dub the rest of the first saga
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Not a bad theory.
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that would make sense seeing as that would make it easier on them in the future so they dont do what they did with the g8 arc get all the episodes except the last one
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@gum:
i have a feeling that funimation has been aware of toeis plans for the new series the whole time,and could be waiting until all 520 episodes have been finished before they can aquire the rights to dub the rest of the first saga
You know, that actually makes sense.
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OK, there's a lot being said here that doesn't make much sense.
First as far as the renaming goes. I'm not sure that this is going to happen. How this rumor got started, I'll never know. Someone mentioned something somewhere about a toy line for the post timeskip having a subtitle to the main "One Piece". The thing about this is that toy lines often have subtitles to them to differentiate them from different editions, or series of toys, so I wouldn't read too much into that.
But the thing to remember is post-timeskip is NOT a different manga or anime. It is simply squeezing time between two points in one story, which is frequently done in stories of all media (books, TV shows, etc). While I can't say anything about the other examples given, such as Naruto, I can say that having seen all the Dragonballs that it was a different situation. The story in Dragonball wasn't nearly as complex and serialized as it is in One Piece. The end of Dragonball could have been it and been ended right there; it was a clean break. One can easily start Dragonball Z without having seen or read Dragonball and not feel lost as far as the story goes and vice versa.
Not so with One Piece. There is far too much that has been built at this point to be able to "break" it down the middle a la Dragonball, especially if there is filler chronicling the crew's time during that two years, which given that from what has been said, is pretty damn likely if the post-timeskip doesn't start until eps 515-520 because such filler would only serve to further connect the pre and post timeskip portions of the story, making such a clean division just that much more difficult.
This also isn't taking into consideration that the name of the manga, upon which the anime is based, still has the name, "One Piece".
No, I'm sorry, but this sounds more and more to me like unfounded runaway rumor.
I also fail to see how giving the post-timeskip a different title would make it more difficult to get the rights to continue dubbing 206+, or have an effect on negotiations for season 4. Never mind the fact that we really have no idea when negotiations got started, so it really is a bit premature to say negotiations are taking a long time. And let's not forget about the earthquake, or FUNimations sale from Navarre. Both of these could, and indeed likely would, have had an effect depending on when negotiations got started. It could have delayed their start, or interrupted the negotiations. Along with this (and I do apologize for my bluntness) comes the rather ridiculous notion that, if a new name is true, that Toei is waiting to finish the first half before licensing out the remaining could ONLY make sense if FUNimation was intending to license from 206 to 515-520.
Yeah, not too likely.
And if the simulcast does have something to do with the delay because it's part of a package deal, well, you really didn't think that FUNimation got a license for unlimited simulcasts, did you? In other words, it would have had to run out sometime, new title or no new title.
And the idea of someone else getting the dub really needs to be killed right here and now. It's not going to happen. Period. It's either FUNimation or no one. No company is going to pick up a series that has already had two other companies dub it and then lose the license. One Piece would be considered at that point a first degree risk. And if for whatever reason this was going to happen, FUNimation wouldn't currently be in negotiations for season 4.
Finally, Samwize, where are you getting the idea that One Piece isn't popular, or isn't doing well? All the evidence suggests just the contrary. One Piece is an expensive license, and if One Piece was a financial loss or a break even, they wouldn't be pursuing it, especially not for the large swath of episodes that make up the season 4 arc (100+, as I understand it). I'm not even sure they'd go after it if profits were simply tepid. And when you place One Piece's sales in the context of that it doesn't have a broadcast going on, unlike Dragonball or Naruto, well, then comparatively it can be argued that it does even better than those two.
Recap:
I believe a new title to be rumor gone amok, nothing more.
Even if true, it really shouldn't have any bearing on current One Piece licensing, except the simulcast, which is a different license from the dub anyway.
The current negotiation's length is nearly impossible to truly judge, given that we have no idea when they got started with it in the first place.
Another company dubbing One Piece just isn't going to happen.
One Piece does, in fact, do well.
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Great post, sadly I am sure alot of people won't read it due to the length. But you a lot of valid points that users here need to understand.
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i think one piece will get a time skip series both op and naruto have alot of episodes plus if you think about it have a time skip series could get more people into one piece if it ever gets shown on tv
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This also isn't taking into consideration that the name of the manga, upon which the anime is based, still has the name, "One Piece".
"Dragon Ball Z" is a name used only by the anime. The entire manga is titled "Dragonball".
"Naruto Shippuden" is a name used only by the anime. The entire manga is titled "Naruto".
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Folks, a subtitle and a new episode count aren't going to magically fix One Piece, a continuity-heavy series, in the west. Beginning a new series with the adaption of chapter #598 is only going to confuse the Hell out of people even more.
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Great post, sadly I am sure alot of people won't read it due to the length. But you a lot of valid points that users here need to understand.
Yeah, people tend to celebrate birthdays while making their way through one of my posts…I just can't seem to help being long winded.
@Badass:
"Dragon Ball Z" is a name used only by the anime. The entire manga is titled "Dragonball".
"Naruto Shippuden" is a name used only by the anime. The entire manga is titled "Naruto".
Of this I was unaware…in any case, As I said before, I've not seen Naruto, so I can't comment on it, but the break between Dragonball and Dragonball Z is a clean enough one that a person can watch one without watching the other and not be lost or confused with the story. This doesn't seem to be the case with One Piece. Can anyone verify for me whether this is the case with Naruto? Is there a clean break in there?
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Yeah, people tend to celebrate birthdays while making their way through one of my posts…I just can't seem to help being long winded.
Of this I was unaware...in any case, As I said before, I've not seen Naruto, so I can't comment on it, but the break between Dragonball and Dragonball Z is a clean enough one that a person can watch one without watching the other and not be lost or confused with the story. This doesn't seem to be the case with One Piece. Can anyone verify for me whether this is the case with Naruto? Is there a clean break in there?
No. You would need to watch/read both parts. It did get a lot crappier with the second part though.
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I think Elan_Morin brings up quite a few good points. Where I really stand by the poster is when they say we're theorizing a lot over a non-confirmed rumor, which is ridiculous. Especially given how the person who perpetiuated this rumor is still fairly new to these parts and newbies tend to say things that are a little…off. But I do want to support the idea that there may be a new series because Japan seems to like giving new aspects of series different titles, timeksip or not (Sailormoon, Digimon, Dragonball, Ranma, Naruto, Saiyuki, Pokemon all shoot to mind). But the thing is, if there was a new "series" planned, especially a show and manga that is, like, Top 5 material in Japan then why hasn't there been ANY promotion for it? Usually we hear about this stuff within 6 months to a year, but we haven't heard a peep from Toei and our more reliable sources haven't given us any information.
Now if there was a possibility of a new license I do agree that what previous posters said is true. In today's information highway age every little thing's rights and contracts are constantly being renegotiated. Where things would have slide in the 80's and 90's everybody wants a piece of the pie and it is very plausible for Toei to be asking for a new contract for this new series for fututre DVD releases and simulcasts.
In the end I think both sides of the spectrum are saying some solid things!
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If Toei branches off to a new series than that means it will be all the harder for FUNimation to license since it's a brand new series, and the first series still hasn't sold that well, so Toei wouldn't give us a whole new series if the first isn't doing that hot.
At least Naruto and Dragon Ball do good here. Otherwise we never would have gotten Shippuden or the other DB series.
watch, when funimation release all of season 4(CP9 Saga) & eventually air on tv the sales/views will sky rocket!
watched the water 7/enies lobby like 3 times(subbed), since it was my fav arc's & i reckon you all agree aswell…
funimation stated when they had licensed the series(2007 i think) they said they were interested in one piece from the start, i reckon if funimation dubbed it from the start it would be as popular as dragonball & one piece's reputation wouldn't have lost(4kids dub), they would also be up to to 400eps(i reckon)..
@gum:
i have a feeling that funimation has been aware of toeis plans for the new series the whole time,and could be waiting until all 520 episodes have been finished before they can aquire the rights to dub the rest of the first saga
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I believe a new title to be rumor gone amok, nothing more.
It could go either way for me, it won't really effect me much if they do or don't change the titles.
But the manga doesn't have anything to do with it. Dragon Ball stayed Dragon Ball, and Naruto stayed Naruto. And, as far a we know, One Piece could stay One Piece.Even if true, it really shouldn't have any bearing on current One Piece licensing, except the simulcast, which is a different license from the dub anyway.
This is true. If what I posted is the basis of this, I said it would be even harder for FUNimation to license the "new series". But of course that wouldn't do anything here, since Season 4 is in real negotiations and "New World" is a myth as of right now.
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so we have the toei dubbing which is not going to happen, then we have the new series rumor which i would put at 50/50 of happening or not. we could find out if the new series rumor is true in what 7 to 12 episodes since that is when the current arc ends so if episode 516 or 521 still carries the just one piece title the new series aint happening but they could still announce something before the arc ends. so basically it is a wait and see situation and like some said earlier funi could be waiting to get episodes 206 to 515 or 520.
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so we have the toei dubbing which is not going to happen, then we have the new series rumor which i would put at 50/50 of happening or not. we could find out if the new series rumor is true in what 7 to 12 episodes since that is when the current arc ends so if episode 516 or 521 still carries the just one piece title the new series aint happening but they could still announce something before the arc ends. so basically it is a wait and see situation and like some said earlier funi could be waiting to get episodes 206 to 515 or 520.
Well, in regards to Toei dubbing its own content, while I don't worry about One Piece falling into that guy's hands (according to rumors, Toei and FUNimation are 'working out the details'), I worry about Sailor Moon and Toriko. William Winckler just seems to drip in smug; he obviously wrote his own IMDb biography (using the alias of his ex-wife no doubt), he drapes himself in his father's successes (even though those successes were a large number of uncredited background characters), and he casts himself in either the lead or major roles in a large number of his anime projects. In short, I don't like this guy and I don't want him anywhere near my anime.
As for the new series rumor, that actually seems somewhat plausible. That we'll probably have to wait for a future volume of Weekly Shonen Jump to know for sure. Naruto Shippuden was announced not long before it began (about two months) and if One Piece is set to end at episode 520, we're still within that window.
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@Gentleman:
Well, in regards to Toei dubbing its own content, while I don't worry about One Piece falling into that guy's hands (according to rumors, Toei and FUNimation are 'working out the details'), I worry about Sailor Moon and Toriko. William Winckler just seems to drip in smug; he obviously wrote his own IMDb biography (using the alias of his ex-wife no doubt), he drapes himself in his father's successes (even though those successes were a large number of uncredited background characters), and he casts himself in either the lead or major roles in a large number of his anime projects. In short, I don't like this guy and I don't want him anywhere near my anime.
I'm not sure that this is as much of a concern as you might think, after all with Sailor Moon, it's a big enough deal that it's going to be handled with extreme care. Toei might try on their own, but I doubt it. As I understand it, they tried getting into the North American market on their own that resulted in a bad end. That kind of experience makes you weary to try again particularly with something along the lines of Sailor Moon, because it's basically an all-in gamble. It will either end up going extremely well, or extremely bad and with the state of the economy right now, I would say that the risks outweigh the possible gains, at least at this time (but of course, I'm only an outside who has no access to internal company memos….even if I could read Japanese).
Now, I would say that something along the lines of Toriko is a candidate for testing the waters, but with FUNimation already simulcasting it, it only sounds logical that they either have, or are intending to get, or are in negotiations for it. From what I understand, they typically don't get things they don't intend to dub, though I could be wrong about this.
Speaking of which...anyone know why the crossover episode still isn't available? I mean, they currently stream both series...or have I just missed it somewhere?
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I serious doubt that Toei will take it upon themselves to dub One Piece if a new series is made. I mean when was the last time we heard anything about Toei Animation in the US? To tell the truth I totally forgot about them until you guys mention the idea of them possibly dubbing One Piece post skip. I could be wrong but the last time I heard Toei Animation US news is them getting a Twitter account and that is about it.
Toei doesn't seem like they are into the dubbing business anymore in my opinion. If they have dubbed anything recently then I don't remember it.
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Toei Animation is not dubbing "One Piece" themselves, c'mon, people, that William Welckner thing was a completely different deal.
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i messaged sophie from the funimation forum(she works at funimation) & this is wat i got…
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08/04/2011 - 9:05amok i see if your not allowed to answer any questions about acquistions then can you answer questions that are not related to it?????
talking about the japanese version of one piece…
will one piece end at episode 515-520 & make a contuination season(one piece new world)?
for example: dragbonball/dragonballz... naruto/naruto shippuden...Sophie
08/05/2011 - 2:16amYes, I can answer other questions, but I actually don't know the answer to that one, unfortunately. It's up to Toei, Shueisha, and Eiichiro Oda to make more One Piece anime. We usually find out news when you guys do.
We'll keep streaming the episodes as they air in Japan though.
~Sophiedunno, if that answers our question lol..
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Well yea, why would Funimation know about that? They haven't got Season 4 as far as we know at the moment, don't think they're the first person to be notified on this stuff. I don't really see how much of a difference it would make if it ends at the timeskip and another series starts concerning the dub.
More likely we're really bored with the lack of news at this point
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Just something weird that I noticed… FUNimation has deleted their news post that talks about the One Piece survey.
Most likely it's because the survey has been closed for a while now, but who knows.
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Yea, the survey is gone. Has been for a while. Don't worry guys, I have a feeling we'll get some good news sooner rather than later.
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Of this I was unaware…in any case, As I said before, I've not seen Naruto, so I can't comment on it, but the break between Dragonball and Dragonball Z is a clean enough one that a person can watch one without watching the other and not be lost or confused with the story. This doesn't seem to be the case with One Piece. Can anyone verify for me whether this is the case with Naruto? Is there a clean break in there?
The break in Naruto series coincides with the series first large time skip(3 years). The break between DB and DBZ accompanied both a time skip and a focus shift in the series.
It would make sense if One Piece's first large time skip also resulted in a new series title.
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The break in Naruto series coincides with the series first large time skip(3 years). The break between DB and DBZ accompanied both a time skip and a focus shift in the series.
It would make sense if One Piece's first large time skip also resulted in a new series title.
I feel like it could go either way with One Piece.
! On the one hand yes there was a huge time skip . . . but the focus of the series didn't really change. It's still about Luffy trying to become the pirate king and the crazy adventures he goes on with his friends. The world stage has changed, yes, but honestly? Fishman Island (thus far) doesn't feel very different from any of the pre-war arcs. You have cruel villains, tragic backstory, possible new crewmember or at least someone we can have new crewmember buzz about, Straw Hat hijinks, and a pending showdown. The Straw Hats are a little older and they look a little different, but otherwise? It's a return to the kind of stuff they did before Shabondy. Granted that could all change but so far it's a return to that adventure feel.
That being said, even if the tone and focus didn't have a major shift or diversion doesn't change that Toei or Oda or whoever makes these kinds of decisions won't want to have a new brand attached to the series anyways.
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I just go my One Piece Collection 1, 2 days ago.. Brilliant Quality, It has dual audio which is good… Everything i would have wanted so in the respect i'm happy.. However I would have liked to have seen more from the extras.. we only get one commentary.... I would have liked have seen more. such as a commentary per disc, interviews with both english and japanese cast ( if possible) , behind the scenes, how they storyboard episodes etc..
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Personally, I'd be happy just to get the original clean opening with the blue logo again; they stopped after the second, missed the third, and will really be missed once we get to elaborate uses of the title like in op 7.
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I not that big of a believer in a new title happening. The main thing I think about is this: Who holds the most power in this decision? Oda. This is his story and his series. The chain of approval stops with him. He already has to approve every filler episode and other various One Piece things, and a decision like this is of course one that has a huge impact on a series.
I just can't see Oda going with a title change. To me, doing something like that just doesn't seem like the type of thing Oda would do. I see One Piece as an epic story. Splitting up the series would kind of take away from that IMO. While splitting up a series might be common for other series, remember that One Piece has always been very unique, and it's because of this uniqueness that a title change doesn't seem to fit the puzzle. Why be predictable like any other series? Why not go for greatness and keep it one whole series? (or "in one piece" lol XD sorry for the bad pun, but I couldn't help it.) The main thing is that I don't think changing the title would be good. It just doesn't feel right.
Plus, when you talk about One Piece with friends and family that know nothing about the series, what would be cooler to say: "Yeah, One Piece is so kickass that the entire series is X number of episodes long!" or "Well, the first part of the story is about 520 episodes long, but then they decided to make a new series for the second part." Think about it.
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I not that big of a believer in a new title happening. The main thing I think about is this: Who holds the most power in this decision? Oda. This is his story and his series. The chain of approval stops with him. He already has to approve every filler episode and other various One Piece things, and a decision like this is of course one that has a huge impact on a series.
I just can't see Oda going with a title change. To me, doing something like that just doesn't seem like the type of thing Oda would do. I see One Piece as an epic story. Splitting up the series would kind of take away from that IMO. While splitting up a series might be common for other series, remember that One Piece has always been very unique, and it's because of this uniqueness that a title change doesn't seem to fit the puzzle. Why be predictable like any other series? Why not go for greatness and keep it one whole series? (or "in one piece" lol XD sorry for the bad pun, but I couldn't help it.) The main thing is that I don't think changing the title would be good. It just doesn't feel right.
Plus, when you talk about One Piece with friends and family that know nothing about the series, what would be cooler to say: "Yeah, One Piece is so kickass that the entire series is X number of episodes long!" or "Well, the first part of the story is about 520 episodes long, but then they decided to make a new series for the second part." Think about it.
Like other posters have said, Dragon Ball and Naruto have both kept the same titles in the manga. Obviously the manga One Piece will always be titled "One Piece". The thing is, Toei may want to change the name of the anime, and if they really want to, I don't see Oda having much of a problem with it. Toriyama said he wanted the anime to stay titled Dragon Ball and didn't think it was necessary to add anything to the name of the anime, but Toei felt it was so he came up with DBZ.
I don't think One Piece should change it's name, but it is possible Toei may feel the need to.
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I haven't been on here in a while. Did we learn any news about Season 4 getting dubbed of One Piece yet? Also what is this about the series of One Piece ending? Is it really ending!? That would suck!
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Please, Lil Kis. For the love of god, stop. Don't you think you'd notice if season 4 news came out?
