we dont know but IVA does
Most Disappointing Thing in One Piece
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shanks lost him arm to a sea king that luffy could beat with a single punch when he was a weakling. makes no sense whatsoever.
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@Chopper:
we dont know but IVA does
OH that one. Yeah, I have a feeling it will come up again later.
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shanks lost him arm to a sea king that luffy could beat with a single punch when he was a weakling. makes no sense whatsoever.
Yes it does.
Spiderman is strong enough to swing around a car with his superhuman strength and his web.
But if he jumps in at the last second to save a child from getting run over by the said car, he still could get severely injured.Same damn thing.
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Yes it does.
Spiderman is strong enough to swing around a car with his superhuman strength and his web.
But if he jumps in at the last second to save a child from getting run over by the said car, he still could get severely injured.Same damn thing.
so your saying shanks had no other option then to let his arm get chomped off as he grabbed luffy. he couldn't have attacked the sea king, sent out a haki blast (he does have the color of the conqueror), used the color of armament like rayleigh did when the giant elephant tried to crush him, anything other than losing an arm?
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Well, I'm sure he could have attacked the Sea King.
But there's no guarantee that would have prevented Luffy from getting chomped, and Shanks simply couldn't risk Luffy's life.That's the type of person he is. Risking his arm > Risking Luffy's life.
It's a split-second decision, and not like "Gee I'm gonna sit here and ponder what options I have".
I don't understand why that's so hard to swallow.A car is about to hit a little boy on the street going 80mph in 0.5 seconds, what does Spidy do?
Yeah, he's gonna web the car, or punch the car.
Right.
No.
He's gonna dive in in attempt to save the boy.
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i understand he would be willing to do that. i just dont think he HAD to. its hard to swallow cuz he's one of the strongest men in the world and he got his arm taken by a really weak sea king in the weakest sea.
and what about haki? why didn't he use it?
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Ok…. let me repeat myself just one more time.
IN A SPLIT SECOND LUFFY WAS ABOUT TO BECOME FISH LUNCH.
All those options he had may have been TOO LATE and Shanks didn't want to risk Luffy's life.
Note the "Risk Luffy's Life" part. And also the RISK LUFFY'S LIFE part, as well as the Risk Luffy's Life part.
Once again, Risk Luffy's Life.How is this so hard to grasp?
EDIT: oh lordy, for a second there it like quad-posted. Oh you, AP server.
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Like everyone's said, Pell's death (or lack thereof). Totally and completely cheapened his sacrifice to the point where, watching those episodes again, I just feel downright insulted as the viewer…
Pagaya (that is his name, right?) falls into a similar category. Another cheap fake-out "death." How the blue hell did he get blasted with a Lightningmaehamaeha directly on him, while standing under a tree, and survive unscathed?! It wasn't even explained in any way shape or form!
Whitebeard himself is a big one, too, but lord knows I've gone over that a bajillion times. I've had my fair share of fanboy rage, a-thank ya s'much.
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Kizaru. He had many opportunities to OHKO Luffy (and other characters), but he didn't. :ninja:
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@Nia:
One Piece isn't over yet, now is it?
You know, that's something I say to myself a lot, and it's true in many ways…but this also doesn't seems like something that's worth waiting months for.
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Kizaru. He had many opportunities to OHKO Luffy (and other characters), but he didn't. :ninja:
Its because he's sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
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Ok…. let me repeat myself just one more time.
IN A SPLIT SECOND LUFFY WAS ABOUT TO BECOME FISH LUNCH.
All those options he had may have been TOO LATE and Shanks didn't want to risk Luffy's life.
Note the "Risk Luffy's Life" part. And also the RISK LUFFY'S LIFE part, as well as the Risk Luffy's Life part.
Once again, Risk Luffy's Life.How is this so hard to grasp?
EDIT: oh lordy, for a second there it like quad-posted. Oh you, AP server.
jeez no need to get so worked up over it, just stating my opinion
for a normal person, you'd be right, but your talking about shanks. dude has superhuman strength speed and intelligence. he's used to making split second decisions in battle. how fast do you think mihawk swings his sword? your telling me he couldn't use color of conqueror as he's speeding over to rescue him, or just use the color of armament and stand between them, or even attack him while missing luffy, for someone of his level it shouldn't be that much of a problem. and stop comparing him to spidey. this is one piece not spiderman. no one in that comic could come close to the strength and speed of the characters in one piece. it's like saying, since spiderman couldn't save the kid, goku couldn't either.
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jeez no need to get so worked up over it, just stating my opinion
for a normal person, you'd be right, but your talking about shanks. dude has superhuman strength speed and intelligence. he's used to making split second decisions in battle. how fast do you think mihawk swings his sword? your telling me he couldn't use color of conqueror as he's speeding over to rescue him, or just use the color of armament and stand between them, or even attack him while missing luffy, for someone of his level it shouldn't be that much of a problem. and stop comparing him to spidey. this is one piece not spiderman. no one in that comic could come close to the strength and speed of the characters in one piece. it's like saying, since spiderman couldn't save the kid, goku couldn't either.
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HEADDESK
Mr Head, meet Ms DeskIt's really simple.
Option 1: Attack the Serpent - still small chance of Luffy still dying
Option 2: Use Haki on the Serpent - still small chance of Luffy still dying
Option 3: Grab Luffy - no chance of Luffy dyingHe took the opiton 3. God be damned whatever the consequence.
Because even though he is fully capable of saving Luffy by killing the serpent, it's STILL a risk he will not take.
Becuase, its' LUFFY'S LIFE. Even if the chance of failure is extremely small.
Yes, he probably could have. But if there's even a small, remote chance of not getting it done in time, Shanks would forever regret his decision for the entire rest of his life.
This is why Shanks is an awesome guy.What part of "risk" is confusing? Or should I phrase it "chance"?
I'm not gonna repeat myself again. I hope you grasp this concept.
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Sengoku.He quit before he even got started…
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Sengoku.He quit before he even got started…
you mean the fleet admiral who was in roger and whitebeard's time a vice admiral.
yeah he didn't do anything!!
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Oda goes through aches and pains to kill no characters in the current plot line, but will do deaths like Kuina falling down the stairs.
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Things that disappoint me… Haki. It no longer matters who or what the crew is faced with, we no longer have to worry about how Luffy and co will get themselves out of this mess because, at the end of the day, the Force--- I mean, Haki, will save the day.
No more 'water is Crocodile's weakness!' or 'Eneru can't hurt Luffy!' etc, etc. Basically no more thoughtful ways for Luffy to defeat his opponents.
I realise that with increasingly exotic and powerful fruits it was probably becoming harder for Oda to work around it, but haki has always felt cheap to me. It will until Oda proves me wrong by orchestrating a conflict that employs it in a way that isn't simply 'Gah! You're Haki is more powerful than my Haki!'
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jeez no need to get so worked up over it, just stating my opinion
for a normal person, you'd be right, but your talking about shanks. dude has superhuman strength speed and intelligence. he's used to making split second decisions in battle. how fast do you think mihawk swings his sword? your telling me he couldn't use color of conqueror as he's speeding over to rescue him, or just use the color of armament and stand between them, or even attack him while missing luffy, for someone of his level it shouldn't be that much of a problem. and stop comparing him to spidey. this is one piece not spiderman. no one in that comic could come close to the strength and speed of the characters in one piece. it's like saying, since spiderman couldn't save the kid, goku couldn't either.
you seems to forgot that the incident happened in the SEA. Would you expect a normal humans to get their optimal speed there? (unless shanks is a merman/fishman, now that's different story)
geez, the way some people overestimating certain character are quite disappointing as well.
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Things that disappoint me… Haki. It no longer matters who or what the crew is faced with, we no longer have to worry about how Luffy and co will get themselves out of this mess because, at the end of the day, the Force--- I mean, Haki, will save the day.
No more 'water is Crocodile's weakness!' or 'Eneru can't hurt Luffy!' etc, etc. Basically no more thoughtful ways for Luffy to defeat his opponents.
I realise that with increasingly exotic and powerful fruits it was probably becoming harder for Oda to work around it, but haki has always felt cheap to me. It will until Oda proves me wrong by orchestrating a conflict that employs it in a way that isn't simply 'Gah! You're Haki is more powerful than my Haki!'
words of truth.
16charsofem'
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Things that disappoint me… Haki. It no longer matters who or what the crew is faced with, we no longer have to worry about how Luffy and co will get themselves out of this mess because, at the end of the day, the Force--- I mean, Haki, will save the day.
No more 'water is Crocodile's weakness!' or 'Eneru can't hurt Luffy!' etc, etc. Basically no more thoughtful ways for Luffy to defeat his opponents.
I realise that with increasingly exotic and powerful fruits it was probably becoming harder for Oda to work around it, but haki has always felt cheap to me. It will until Oda proves me wrong by orchestrating a conflict that employs it in a way that isn't simply 'Gah! You're Haki is more powerful than my Haki!'
you couldnt be more wrong u cant rely on
1 quickly figuring out the weakness everytime
2 happen to have said weakness on or around you while in an unprepared fight
… u were fooling ur self if you didnt think there was gonna be some kind of equalizer... b4 haki was introduced most thought it was gonna be seastone weapons or seastone tipped shoes etc
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you mean the fleet admiral who was in roger and whitebeard's time a vice admiral.
yeah he didn't do anything!!
Implied but never shown. His shining moment to show off his mettle was when he went Buddha but he threw one punch,and showed off alittle to the blackbeard pirates.We still never knew just what his power was or the limits and capabilities it can cause.He never showed why he was any more powerful than the admirals below him,since the marine army is based on a power hierarchy scale.And now he quits,so that means he wont ever fight again and just waste of a char. who could have been the Marines version of Whitebeard.
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Implied but never shown.
just like the pirate king!!
His shining moment to show off his mettle was when he went Buddha but he threw one punch,and showed off alittle to the blackbeard pirates.
He never showed why he was any more powerful than the admirals below him,since the marine army is based on a power hierarchy scalehe's role was to direct the fight and be the last line of defense, just like whitebeard himself who only participated after getting stabbed.
We still never knew just what his power was or the limits and capabilities it can cause.
so that means he wont ever fight again and just waste of a char.again because of his statue he never showed or had to show his real strength.
And now he quits
retires!!
who could have been the Marines version of Whitebeard.
no one can be compared to whitebeard in term of strength but the pirate king.
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Many of the things that annoy me have already been said on this page alone, so I'm just going to add Oars Jr.'s character. Why was he even introduced? Oda usually doesn't bother with pointless character but this guy seemed like he walked straight out of Naruto or something.
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Many of the things that annoy me have already been said on this page alone, so I'm just going to add Oars Jr.'s character. Why was he even introduced? Oda usually doesn't bother with pointless character but this guy seemed like he walked straight out of Naruto or something.
Most of the epic arc's have epic creatures to create more epicness. May they be Ancient-Giant-Snake-Gods or Frankie-Family-Giant-Bulls or Super-Giant-Legendary-Zombie many arcs contain this factor - I think Oda enjoys them visually. It's to create epicness. Oz jr was just that factor in Marineford (my guess).
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@Chopper:
you couldnt be more wrong u cant rely on
1 quickly figuring out the weakness everytime
2 happen to have said weakness on or around you while in an unprepared fight
… u were fooling ur self if you didnt think there was gonna be some kind of equalizer... b4 haki was introduced most thought it was gonna be seastone weapons or seastone tipped shoes etc
Luffy never "quickly figured out" how to defeat his opponents. His strength is that he can get the living shit kicked out of him but through sheer force of will comes back again, and again, and in that test of endurance he usually stumbles upon a weakness.
I guess I was a fool. But it was far more interesting before.
Having said that, I'll take it all back if Oda can maintain my interest in the battle scene. I just don't wanna see endless invisible haki use.
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Well, it has been proved that Haki doesn't guarantee you anything. Jinbei has haki. He tried to punch Akainu. Akainu dodged him like nothing. And then, made a hole through Jinbei's stomach with his punch. End of the fight.
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Also I doubt there will be much 'endless invisable haki use.' Just as the Amazon Lily warriors used their haki to increase the ability of their arrows and Hancock used hers to attach Smoker Luffy will likely use his (for the most part) to increase the ability in his physical attacks. Not that there won't be some silly invisible stuff.
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Well, it has been proved that Haki doesn't guarantee you anything. Jinbei has haki. He tried to punch Akainu. Akainu dodged him like nothing. And then, made a hole through Jinbei's stomach with his punch. End of the fight.
Making it meaningless, essentially. It either makes the fight a non-event or cancels out when fighting an opponent with equally powerful haki.
But hey, gomu gomu no haki <insert technique="" here="">should spice up fights for the next 300 chapters, amiright?
I'm over-simplifying things to emphasise my case, obviously. I don't think it will be straight up that simple. At least, I hope not.</insert>
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Things that disappoint me… Haki. It no longer matters who or what the crew is faced with, we no longer have to worry about how Luffy and co will get themselves out of this mess because, at the end of the day, the Force--- I mean, Haki, will save the day.
No more 'water is Crocodile's weakness!' or 'Eneru can't hurt Luffy!' etc, etc. Basically no more thoughtful ways for Luffy to defeat his opponents.
I realise that with increasingly exotic and powerful fruits it was probably becoming harder for Oda to work around it, but haki has always felt cheap to me. It will until Oda proves me wrong by orchestrating a conflict that employs it in a way that isn't simply 'Gah! You're Haki is more powerful than my Haki!'
So basically what you're saying is that it would be awesome if Enel was invincible unless someone was wearing a full rubber suit.
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You guys are aware that without haki, Luffy doesn't stand a chance against Akainu or Kizaru, right?
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I was disapointed that Luffy's flasback was shown AFTER Ace had died. If it had been shown before it would have made Ace's death so much better for me.
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Things that disappoint me… Haki. It no longer matters who or what the crew is faced with, we no longer have to worry about how Luffy and co will get themselves out of this mess because, at the end of the day, the Force--- I mean, Haki, will save the day.
No more 'water is Crocodile's weakness!' or 'Eneru can't hurt Luffy!' etc, etc. Basically no more thoughtful ways for Luffy to defeat his opponents.
I realise that with increasingly exotic and powerful fruits it was probably becoming harder for Oda to work around it, but haki has always felt cheap to me. It will until Oda proves me wrong by orchestrating a conflict that employs it in a way that isn't simply 'Gah! You're Haki is more powerful than my Haki!'
awww you're right. I always felt that there was something wrong with haki but I couldn't put it into words. I liked the fact that every DF has a weakness to discover. I would love to see Kizaru defeated with a hand mirror :D But… it will be okay if only Luffy will have king's haki. He has to be able to defeat anyone to achieve his dream and some logias will always be out of his league if he only uses his DF and instincts. The rest of the crew can still fight the old-fashioned way.
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There's no way to defeat Akainu without Haki. And defeating Kizaru with mirrors? Kinda far fetched, IMHO.
And then again, I'd like to see what Haki can do to an age shifting hability, or someone who cuts your body parts and starts messing with them. Or a voodoo malefice.
Haki will help big time, but it won't be what wins battles for Luffy, in the end, he will need to rely on his strength to defeat the monsters that are in the OP world.
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Things that disappoint me… Haki. It no longer matters who or what the crew is faced with, we no longer have to worry about how Luffy and co will get themselves out of this mess because, at the end of the day, the Force--- I mean, Haki, will save the day.
No more 'water is Crocodile's weakness!' or 'Eneru can't hurt Luffy!' etc, etc. Basically no more thoughtful ways for Luffy to defeat his opponents.
I realise that with increasingly exotic and powerful fruits it was probably becoming harder for Oda to work around it, but haki has always felt cheap to me. It will until Oda proves me wrong by orchestrating a conflict that employs it in a way that isn't simply 'Gah! You're Haki is more powerful than my Haki!'
Yeah now it will just take actual skill to overcome each others strength.
That didn't happen the entire war so why would that happen now? Haki just makes a fight with a Logia an actual fight where the Logia has to fight their best instead of relying on God Mode. Like Aokiji dodging WB's Bisento. More glass cannon villains or spending entire chapters devoted to figuring out a Logia's weakness before the fight becomes fair is boring. Criticism's pulled directly from your ass.
Inevitable Haki using Smoker&Luffy won't be a boring fight at all. Luffy using a vacuum or fan to force him solid would be far more lame. Now it will be like it happened in the anime only Smoker won't be able to just push towards Luffy unhindered.
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we had to wait 4 weeks for a chapter
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Like Aokiji dodging WB's Bisento.
Did he dodged it? I had the impression, that WB directly hit Aokiji.
Furthermore Marco and Vista later explicitly sliced Akainu with haki. And he didnt care.
Like I see it, Haki will help you only very remotly against decent logia users. And the New World isnt exactly a place for rookies, who havent heard of haki before.And when was haki used in the war to even create some sort of supremacy? Apart from ko'ing two executioners? So, when even the two greatest powers in the OP world couldnt use haki as anything more than some gadget, how do you reckon the future fights will degenerate to quasi-pure haki fighting.
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Option 2: Use Haki on the Serpent - still small chance of Luffy still dyingThis is where I disagree. To me, use King's Haki on it would be a "no chance of Luffy dying".
But it was a great scene, so I don't care.
EDIT: Of course, there is always the chance that Shanks hadn't mastered Haki by that time, though.
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What was the secret of Crocodile about again?
Does anyone else think that Crocodile used to be a lady or something and got genderbendered by Iva?
His face being turned away from us when he was a rookie in chapter 0 is suspicious after all….lol
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He was really ugly until Iva gave him beauty hormones. Then he went and got slashed in the face and cried for 10 days straight.
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It's really simple.
Option 1: Attack the Serpent - still small chance of Luffy still dying
Option 2: Use Haki on the Serpent - still small chance of Luffy still dying
Option 3: Grab Luffy - no chance of Luffy dyingLuffy still had a chance of dying with Shanks if the serpent chomped all of Shanks.
I'm thinking that at that point in time (in OP), Shanks didn't have enough power and skill in his Haki to make a perfect save. He first had to detect where Luffy and the bandit are, then go there, then knock away the serpent. He couldn't get there in time to knock away the serpent. In fact he got there exactly as the serpent closed his jaws. Options 1 and 2 take a noticeable amount of time, thus are completely moot.
It's not disappointing at all, since it became a wonderfully dramatic scene. If Shanks was perfectly fine, Luffy would just end up annoying Shanks for another chapter, as now would Luffy believe everything would come out fine as he was.
Ace's death is another shock to Luffy, as Luffy believed in his own strength from perfect victory after perfect victory in his adventures, then he faces a loss worse than that of Sabaody.
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Rereading Enies Lobby and I am kind of disappointed that the elephant zoan was given to a sword.
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The biggest disappointment for me:
It would have to be that Luffy hasn't taken Hancock to the Bone Zone yet. He's entitled to some of that booty am i right? (him being a pirate and all) Chapter 598 should of begun with Luffy getting out of bed while patting her bum saying "I'm gonna be the king just you wait and see".
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HEADDESK
Mr Head, meet Ms DeskIt's really simple.
Option 1: Attack the Serpent - still small chance of Luffy still dying
Option 2: Use Haki on the Serpent - still small chance of Luffy still dying
Option 3: Grab Luffy - no chance of Luffy dyingHe took the opiton 3. God be damned whatever the consequence.
Because even though he is fully capable of saving Luffy by killing the serpent, it's STILL a risk he will not take.
Becuase, its' LUFFY'S LIFE. Even if the chance of failure is extremely small.
Yes, he probably could have. But if there's even a small, remote chance of not getting it done in time, Shanks would forever regret his decision for the entire rest of his life.
This is why Shanks is an awesome guy.What part of "risk" is confusing? Or should I phrase it "chance"?
I'm not gonna repeat myself again. I hope you grasp this concept.
Oda is not the unreasonable one here.wow you really need to calm down man. guess you just spend too much time on the forums.
how the hell is using haki still a small chance but running all the way over and grabbing him is a sure thing? that makes no sense. i guess he can move faster than haki…through water too. and again why not haki as he's moving. or the armament haki to prevent his damn arm from being bitten off. he shouldn't have lost him arm, plain and simple.
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Wasn't Luffy drowning too? So Shanks uses haki as Luffy sinks into the ocean.
Good thing Shanks didn't lose his arm.
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EDIT: Of course, there is always the chance that Shanks hadn't mastered Haki by that time, though.
he used the color of conqueror after he grabbed luffy
Wasn't Luffy drowning too? So Shanks uses haki as Luffy sinks into the ocean.
Good thing Shanks didn't lose his arm.
so shanks couldn't speed over after he used the haki? if he got there in a split second to save him, i dont think luffy would drown before he got over there after taking out the sea king
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wow you really need to calm down man. guess you just spend too much time on the forums.
You just violated the first rule of internet, son.
By insinuating someone to get a (real) life while arguing on the internet, everything you ever said loses its meaning, and you automatically lose any argument on the table.how the hell is using haki still a small chance but running all the way over and grabbing him is a sure thing? that makes no sense. i guess he can move faster than haki…through water too. and again why not haki as he's moving. or the armament haki to prevent his damn arm from being bitten off. he shouldn't have lost him arm, plain and simple.
Using haoushoku on already lunging monster about to chomp on Luffy doesn't stop it in its motion. It's not like they fall unconscious by hitting a wall of ki.
Haki was obviously a greater risk (at least, in Shanks' mind) and was not an option. Period.
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Franky's baldness is the most disappointing. (Hopefully his hair grows out and that it's linked to the type of beverage he drinks for fuel).
I also don't like how Ussop has been stated to always remain to be one of the weakest in the SH crew, I honestly see so much potential in him. But from what we've seen, his style is unique and maybe, just maybe Oda will change his mind and we will have ourselves a strong usopp.
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wow you really need to calm down man. guess you just spend too much time on the forums.
how the hell is using haki still a small chance but running all the way over and grabbing him is a sure thing? that makes no sense. i guess he can move faster than haki…through water too. and again why not haki as he's moving. or the armament haki to prevent his damn arm from being bitten off. he shouldn't have lost him arm, plain and simple.
What's plain and simple is that you're a pigheaded dumbass who thinks you're idiot assumptions are the better guess then something plausibly and contextually possible.
HMM YEAH MAYBE, BUT LET ME BE UPSET OVER MY ASS BACKWARDS INTERPRETATION INSTEAD :happy:
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Uhm, Jerk Disease, are you sure Boa joined the crew?