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I always have this feeling that Zoro's childhood friend (that girl) was murdered…

How the hell does someone who fights day after day with real swords just fall off...the stairs...and...die...

Maybe later on Zoro will meet up with the killer and through that battle he'll complete his Tri Elements Sword.

Possible Suspect:

The girls dad xD...I just don't like the look on that girl's dad on the last page he was in... reminds of me the look of a dad that killed (well not killed, but did something else horrible) to his own daughter (Fullmetel Alchemist - forgot episode)

Either my theory was right or I dranked too many bottle of coke... <_<

That sounds more like Naruto than onepiece..

I'm almost sure it isn't Kuina's dad…... If she was murdered....... He doesn't really have a reasonI think and he seems to kind..... O_O But We don't know about Oda.

joekido the Second

Are you saying that in the anime, Kunia was murdered while in the manga she died by falling down the stairs and broke her neck.

Ivotas

I think that there wasnÂ´t just coke in your bottle Chromax. :lol:

Originally posted by joekido the Second@Jul 16 2005, 11:35 AM
Are you saying that in the anime, Kunia was murdered while in the manga she died by falling down the stairs and broke her neck.
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The way how I see it, I think that Chromax just isnÂ´t bying that her death was a accident and thinks that it is a lie made up by her murderer.

Jonio

Originally posted by Ivotas+Jul 16 2005, 05:35 AM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jul 16 2005, 05:35 AM)I think that there wasnÂ´t just coke in your bottle Chromax. :lol:

Buccaneer

Possible, but I can accept her just dying like that. It's not like her death was as uneventful as it sounds. It showed frailty and limits and all that.

Jonio

Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jul 16 2005, 10:28 AM
Possible, but I can accept her just dying like that. It's not like her death was as uneventful as it sounds. It showed frailty and limits and all that.
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That's true too. Accidents do happen. I guess it was more tragic for her anyway? She didn't even get to die as a swordswoman.

da_pingunator

interesting point u have there, but i think u shouldnt lose the focus that because of "kuina's death" it made zoro become more inspired to become the best swordsman in the world. if u c zoro's expression after he see's her death, he is sad as well as even more determined to become the best swordsman in the wolrd for himself and kuina; so good that his reputation could b heard in heaven where she is

Kiden4911

ok this is gonna sound far fetched and dun even ask me to prove it but i have a feelin tashigi IS zoros frend…maybe fallin down stairs affected memory or something...it just seems too coincidental for tashigi to be around the same age that the girl should be and zoros frend dies from fallin down...not from getting killed or something...anyways its just a theory and one i cant even prove yet so dun ask y i think that

bevin

While I was just as shocked as anyone when I found out not only that Kuina died but how she died, the idea of her having been murdered (let alone by her own father) just really doesn't seem to fit with the message of One Piece or the tone of the series. If that had been the case, it would have been addressed and whoever had done it would have gotten their butt soundly kicked by someone (probably Luffy). To me, it seems like it was what they said; a tragic, pointless, senseless accident that truly and permanently set Zoro on his present path in life. True, it's a path he most likely would have been on anyway, but now he's on it with less of a sense of selfishness and a much stronger sense of purpose.

And yes, I believe that Kuina is 100% dead and Tashigi is her own person.

PS– If this isn't in reference specifically to the manga, it needs to be in the General section. Is there a reason you wanted it in the manga section?

--Bevin

da_pingunator

Originally posted by Kiden4911@Jul 17 2005, 06:37 PM
ok this is gonna sound far fetched and dun even ask me to prove it but i have a feelin tashigi IS zoros frend…maybe fallin down stairs affected memory or something...it just seems too coincidental for tashigi to be around the same age that the girl should be and zoros frend dies from fallin down...not from getting killed or something...anyways its just a theory and one i cant even prove yet so dun ask y i think that
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u r very far fetched indeed as this doesnt make sense… the point of tashigi being zoros friend? zero... zoro is a pirate and tashigi is a marine, as long as they stay this tashigi will always try and capture zoro. she is someone that simply just looks like kuina and someone that can use a sword. and as bevin says, killing in one piece just doesnt fit the picture, especially on those main characters (well not exactly main but specific)

Zephos

I still think Kuina might actually be Tashigi.

luffy316

I actually considered her father being the murderer too. I can't recall if it happened in the manga as well, but Kuina did have a bit of an argument with her father when she learned she wouldn't be the heir to his dojo. She swore she'd practice harder and defeat all challengers even if she was a girl, proceeding to train ten times as hard. And while her dad is a pretty calm-looking fellah and always smiling… but appearences are almost always deceiving.

Besides, while Zoro is crying his eyes out and demanding that Kuina stop "faking" to avoid her duel, old papa doesn't even blink. He DOES, however, seem pretty pleased when Zoro asks to carry her sword (as he probably thinks Zoro will become his heir, which i can't remember whether or not is true). I think that she complicated things too much for her father and he took care of her discreetly so he could legitimately claim antoher heir without her interfering. Her death seemed too simple and too off-screen for my liking, and the teacher just seems shady to me (reminds me a bit of Kuro when he was undercover, just with a softer voice).

Zephos

Most of what you just talked about was from the anime, sorry.
Its filler scenes.

Ivotas

Originally posted by Zephos@Jul 17 2005, 07:06 PM
I still think Kuina might actually be Tashigi.
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And she doesnÂ´t her friend Roronoa Zoro who is carrying her katana Wadou Ijimonji in LogueTown? :blink:

- NeX -

i only think that tashigi is the kuina sys

da_pingunator

i think the only reason y oda made tashigi look so similar to kuina (swordsman, looks etc) was to show her reason in y she was so determined to capture zoro. zoro doesnt want to fight her because of her resemblence to kuina and tashigi wants to capture zoro because he wont fight her as a swordsman. from my opinion i think oda made this resemblence was becausse he wanted to show zoro's weakenss too. if u notice thruout the whole of one piece (up to now), zoro will never try to run but will more try to face it. i could b wrong but this is just my opinion… :mellow:

Don Krieg

I think what that guys means is that someone pushed Kuina down the stairs. That's how she would have been murdered.

- NeX -

Originally posted by da_pingunator@Jul 18 2005, 02:31 AM
i think the only reason y oda made tashigi look so similar to kuina (swordsman, looks etc) was to show her reason in y she was so determined to capture zoro. zoro doesnt want to fight her because of her resemblence to kuina and tashigi wants to capture zoro because he wont fight her as a swordsman. from my opinion i think oda made this resemblence was becausse he wanted to show zoro's weakenss too. if u notice thruout the whole of one piece (up to now), zoro will never try to run but will more try to face it. i could b wrong but this is just my opinion… :mellow:
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great! so u think that tashigi is the only weakness of zoro?

da_pingunator

i'm not saying its his only weakness but so far, it seems that this is his only weakness. let us recall when he fought her. he beat her easily but didnt cut/slice her. she says "why didnt u cut me?" and he tells his story about kuina. she doesnt care and gets angry and wants to beat zoro even more. from here we know that zoro can easily beat her but as evry time he sees her, he runs away… y? because he feels the awkwardness of fighting his clone friend kuina...

- NeX -

Originally posted by da_pingunator@Jul 18 2005, 08:40 AM
i'm not saying its his only weakness but so far, it seems that this is his only weakness. let us recall when he fought her. he beat her easily but didnt cut/slice her. she says "why didnt u cut me?" and he tells his story about kuina. she doesnt care and gets angry and wants to beat zoro even more. from here we know that zoro can easily beat her but as evry time he sees her, he runs away… y? because he feels the awkwardness of fighting his clone friend kuina...
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and why if he always wanted to fight kuina for beat her now he won't fight for beat tashigi?

Ivotas

Originally posted by - NeX -@Jul 18 2005, 12:07 PM
and why if he always wanted to fight kuina for beat her now he won't fight for beat tashigi?
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IsnÂ´t that self explainatory? He wanted to beat Kuina while he was a kid. She died back then. He grew up with the pain of losing a precious person.

Tashigi is not Kuina. He never felt the desire to overcome Tashigi as it was the case with Kuina.

Tashigi reminds Zoro of a long lost friend. She REMINDS him of her, she ISNÂ´T her. So why should he feel the same fighting determination towards her that he felt towards Kuina while she was ALIVE?