Mihawk VS Devil Fruits

[Hiken_No_Esu]

Mihawk is arguably one of the strongest characters in the series. His swordsmanship is said to be the greatest in the OP world.

However being the strongest swordsman doesn't mean, that he's able to hurt Logia type devil fruit users, and therefor is weaker then any of them. But lately, every strong character during the Marine Ford arc. has been seen using either one of the only two ways of countering Logias without having to use their elements natural weakness : Seastone weapons (Vista/ Benn perhaps) or Haki (Marco, Jozu, Dolflamingo and others).

SO I CAME ACROSS AN INTERESTING FACT :
If you attack a DF user with Seastone, or using Haki, then the DF's power should be canceled where the hit was placed (like Garp punching Luffy, bypassing his rubber body or Smoker damaging Luffy with his Jutte).

However, Mihawk attacked Buggy's split body, and Jozu's Diamond body (albeit at a range), but wasn't able to hurt them at all. The given explanation, would be : "that they're immune to bladed weapons".
From www.onepiece.wikia.com : While Juracule Mihawk is indeed extremely powerful, because of the versatility of Devil Fruit powers, there are those who cannot be damaged at all by his attacks, such as Diamond Jozu and Buggy.

BUT IF : Mihawk is a Haki user, or his Sword is made of Seastone, shouldn't he then be able to hurt them, like if he hurt a Logia with Haki? (Like Silvers Rayleigh hurting Kizaru, or Shanks blocking Akainu's attack on Coby).
IS MIHAWK EVEN CAPABLE OF HURTING LOGIAS? Is the world's strongest swordsman, SHIT compared to an Admiral or any other Logia?

Take a look at this picture :

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/File:Crocmihawk.jpg

Yes, here we see Mihawk clashing with Crocodile. His sword, hits Crocodile's HOOK, which is made of Gold in his natural form, but can be turned into sand. Crocodile isn't showing any signs of using his DF ability on the picture, but if he was, then IT would prove, that Mihawk can damage Logias in some way.

I just posted this, because this might be a giant future plothole in my opinion, and if I'm right. So enlighten me, or simply debate this tread!

[Jejune]

Well I don't want to discuss haki, but I would think the sword and hook clashed because Croc was aiming to block the attack to protect Mr 1- getting in the way then letting the attack phase through would've been pointless.

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

i dont think that mihawk uses everytime haki in his attacks. means that jozu was sure hit by one of his attacks but this attack was aimed at WB where he hadnt to use haki to hurt him with such a slash.
also hitting Buggy was more intented to hit luffy..so again no use for haki in his attack.

i think mihawk is sure able to hit logias seeing that rayleigh and shanks also using swords and are able to go against logia users.
so i dont doubt that mihawk is able to use haki to go against logias, he just dont use it all the time against everyone..
haki sure uses a lot of your power or else it would be a power without any flaws at all.

[Hiken_No_Esu]

2> We are mainly discussing Haki here. But you're right, dodging would be stupid. And then we don't really have a proof, that Mihawk can use Haki. When I posted the link, I searched on www.onemanga.com for the Mihawk vs. Crocodile duel, in order to find more information, however I didn't find it, and wanted to get into the debate as fast as possible.

3> Well an interesting opinion already. But I don't get why he wouldn't use Haki as a method of doing more severe damage on Luffy's rubber and WB's immense bodies. But

Rayleigh and Shanks using Haki, doesn't have anything to do with Mihawk, as both are former members of the Roger Pirates, and have traveled the entire Grand Line. Being the strongest swordsman, and therefore stronger then Rayleigh and Shanks in Swordsmanship doesn't mean that Mihawk can use Haki.
I couldn't agree more, Haki using a lot of power, is an OP world fact, however why wouldn't "Thw World's Strongest Swordsman", use a bit of his (eventual) Haki on a direct hit on "the Worlds Strongest Man"?

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@Hiken_No_Esu:

3> Well an interesting opinion already. But I don't get why he wouldn't use Haki as a method of doing more severe damage on Luffy's rubber and WB's immense bodies.

you can call me Don orso instead of…3

mihawk dont has to use in that situation haki cause luffy is out of rubber which could be cut easy without the extra haki to the sword. also WB even when he had a rly strong DF just is flash..so easy to cut for mihawk(seeing even squardo was able to pierce WBs body)

but i have to agree that normally he should use his haki here against WB..but well its a manga and to present as jozu without being cut at his first move in the WAR! mihawk didnt used it:happy:
but using here haki to attack those two charas would be unnecessary cause he dont have to overcome a logia to be able to cut them. and as we said its most likely rly exhausting to use your haki on every attack you make.

Rayleigh and Shanks using Haki, doesn't have anything to do with Mihawk, as both are former members of the Roger Pirates, and have traveled the entire Grand Line. Being the strongest swordsman, and therefore stronger then Rayleigh and Shanks in Swordsmanship doesn't mean that Mihawk can use Haki.

it dont has anything to do with being on rogers pirate crew..buggy also cant use haki. i think that oda will sure give mihawk the ability of haki..seeing that hes the strongest swordman without a DF he sure uses haki to go against opponents who arent affected by swords. also he should have travelled the world more than enough to have learned haki. i know we cant be sure about that but in my opinion i dont see a way the strongest swordsman isnt able to use haki^^

[Hiken_No_Esu]

If you watched his duel with Zoro, you'd see, that a low-medium power blow from Mihawk was enough to break both Zoro's katanas and give him a fatal blow. However, the blow wasn't able to cut him in half, and this was in the early stages of the series.
So imagine the "worlds strongest man", do you think that he with a full power slash would be able to cut WB in half? In the most sword duels, that occur in the series, Zoro gets cut from top to toe (literally) but never enough to loose a limb, or being cut in two.
Finally, weather or not Oda will give Mihawk the ability or not is completely out of question, what we're discussing here, is weather Mihawk has had Haki in any of the previous chapters, or if he simply isn't able to use it.

[sanji499]

@Hiken_No_Esu:

If you watched his duel with Zoro, you'd see, that a low-medium power blow from Mihawk was enough to break both Zoro's katanas and give him a fatal blow. However, the blow wasn't able to cut him in half, and this was in the early stages of the series.
So imagine the "worlds strongest man", do you think that he with a full power slash would be able to cut WB in half? In the most sword duels, that occur in the series, Zoro gets cut from top to toe (literally) but never enough to loose a limb, or being cut in two.
Finally, weather or not Oda will give Mihawk the ability or not is completely out of question, what we're discussing here, is weather Mihawk has had Haki in any of the previous chapters, or if he simply isn't able to use it.

Well, we know Vista can use Haki. I would not doubt a second that Mihawk has an incredible one as well (he is the strongest swordman)

When Luffy unleashed the King Haki, he seemed to know perfectly what it was.

Besides, Wb and Shanks discussion was a hint of the future events.

I think Mihawk will be the second final boss of One Piece.

[Darkstorm]

You saw Mihawk attacking two people whom he wouldn't have needed to use it against, so there's no way of knowing whether Mihawk can use ambition, it's been left fairly open.

I would suspect so, but Oda may never show him fighting someone who he would have to use it against anyway, unless we start going down the mantra prediction side of things.

Also don't use that silly giant text.

[Airflow]

It all depends on whether you interpret the strongest swordsmans as "The strongest one who wields a sword" or as "The one who's most perfected their swordfighting skills". Cause there's a massive difference.

[JERK DISEASE]

BUT IF:
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[skeletonbrook]

mabey his haki anly works if he hits directly not slashing the air mabey he actualy has to touch them with the sword for haki to work and with luffy he was probaly holding back and not using haki either because he didnt want to kill him or he felt no need to use it and why waste energy and the only reason he didnt cut zoro in half was because he held back he could have easily killed him oh and vista has haki

[Doz]

i think Croc used his hook because he wanted to block mihawk's attack, not because he'd be threatened by it.

[Monox D. I-Fly]

Or maybe Mihawk gets that title because he can't use haki? In other words, he is the "real strong swordsman" without haki or devil fruit compared to Shanks or Rayleigh who add haki to their sword so their both sword abilities aren't pure, CMIIW.

[dan2026]

Why would Mihawk even need his sword to beat Buggy?
He could probably win with his fists.
In the manga he 'beat' him by bouncing back one of his Muggy balls.
Just because he's a 'swordsman' doesn't mean he has to always use his sword.