Chapter 582: "Luffy and Ace" Discussion Thread
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the chapter was awesome, even we dont saw what now happened with the fight Dofla/Moria–-
Anyway. Luffys reaction is simply heart breaking...such a sensitive Chapter...Jimbei had as well tears in his eyes...i believe Aces death is not that easy for Jimbei too...
Somehow i think more then ever that jimbei will join, just a feeling, (okay fantard fantasies i know...-__-)
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Ace was mortally wounded by Akainu in the back while trying to protect Luffy from one of Akainu's magma fists, so it wasn't like Ace and Akainu fought a competitive battle, Akainu was always stronger than Ace was.
Also, Luffy defeating Blackbeard would be a much stronger example of Luffy surpassing Ace.
I believe Luffy could be the person to defeat Akainu, but I am not convinced that fight will ever happen.
Akainu will certainly want to chase after Luffy though. Not only did he let Dragon's son get away and he wants to finish the job, Robin is in Luffy's crew. If he can kill Robin, then he can finish the job that the World Government did on Ohara 20 years ago. Remember the reason he killed the civilians was because of the possibility of an archaeloogist surviving.
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Good Chapter, seems like the crew is so close to meeting up with Luffy. That color spread is awesome!
Question: Has Oda outside of a color walk colored any of the actual story pages?
Luffy ultra pissed was pretty sad, I teared up a bit, but no crying today. Right when the flashback happens my agent calls and tells me I booked a Playstation add, yahoo! Then all the heart warming garp and Luffy stuff happens. Very emotional roller coaster for me!
So excited to find out that Dadan was a criminal! She must have been pretty powerful to have blossomed people like Luffy and Ace. Criminal or not I bet it was more in the light of Luffy, rather than say a Kreig.
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Wow, such weird face there http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/582-128/16
Is it me or it looks a bit funny? -
Luffy's awake already? That was fast… I'd say a good chapter, Oda could have prolonged Luffy's comatose, but he didn't, and finally.. The main's character childhood past (well, after chapter 1, that is). I like how Oda depicts Luffy's grief, he could have made Luffy cry or mope or emo or stuff, but again, he didn't. Damn the guy is good at writing his characters.
Anyway, I also hope that the flashbacks won't last for too long (3-4 chapters is good enough), then we'll see Luffy finally accept Ace's death(assuming that Luffy is currently in Anger/Grief and Oda skipped Denial and Bargaining), and then out with AL and in the SH crew again. Finally.
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He's in luck.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/lord_darkstorm/bepomeetsamate.jpg
panda woman lol , awesome find
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I like how Oda depicts Luffy's grief, he could have made Luffy cry or mope or emo or stuff, but again, he didn't. Damn the guy is good at writing his characters.
Damn, that's some strong onions there, then.
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Is Beppo an user zoan fruit???
But… if he is a man... why does he want a female beaaaar!!?
Bestialityyy!!!!
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Ace was mortally wounded by Akainu in the back while trying to protect Luffy from one of Akainu's magma fists, so it wasn't like Ace and Akainu fought a competitive battle, Akainu was always stronger than Ace was.
Also, Luffy defeating Blackbeard would be a much stronger example of Luffy surpassing Ace.
I believe Luffy could be the person to defeat Akainu, but I am not convinced that fight will ever happen.
Wanna bet it won't happen? Do you think Akainu is just gonna let Luffy go free on the sea when he finds out he is alive? The man is a psychopath. He will hunt Luffy down like Smoker has…plus...It would be so epically sweet if Luffy beats that bastard with a jet haki gattling/storm etc...
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Luffy is really taking Ace's death hard. He woke up and he isn't complaining about being hungry.
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Is Beppo an user zoan fruit???
But… if he is a man... why does he want a female beaaaar!!?
Bestialityyy!!!!
Maybe….Law somehow transplanted Bepo's brain into that bears body...with his DF power because his original body wasn't capable of being saved....
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Luffy is really taking Ace's death hard. He woke up and he isn't complaining about being hungry.
I wouldn't go so far, looked like he was eyeing up Jinbei to me.
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Amazing chapter. And it does seem like Jinbei will stay with Luffy, but I don't think to join. He will be a mentor for him and help him out.
But I'm pretty excited to learn more about Lufy and Ace in their younger days. It'll be great! Another thing I'm interested in though, is how long Law will stay with Luffy. Well, obviously until he's better but it's already been 2 weeks. He's truly a good guy. Then there's Hancock who still has her Shichibukai status. Wonder what Smoker and Sentoumaru told the World Gov't…surely they can't let the destruction of several Pacifistas go unanswered....but they have enough problems, it seems.
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Damn, that's some strong onions there, then.
LOL. I guess I should've written it "cry and mope"
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So Luffy and Ace were rivals to start off with. Pretty interesting.
Also hats off to Bepo… slowly becoming an iconic figure.
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Well I don't think the flashback will be that long. I think we will ger many other flashbacks of Luffy in the future. Like about his mom, Dragon and so on.
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Akainu will certainly want to chase after Luffy though. Not only did he let Dragon's son get away and he wants to finish the job, Robin is in Luffy's crew. If he can kill Robin, then he can finish the job that the World Government did on Ohara 20 years ago. Remember the reason he killed the civilians was because of the possibility of an archaeloogist surviving.
Wanna bet it won't happen? Do you think Akainu is just gonna let Luffy go free on the sea when he finds out he is alive? The man is a psychopath. He will hunt Luffy down like Smoker has…plus...It would be so epically sweet if Luffy beats that bastard with a jet haki gattling/storm etc...
Luffy is probably among a long list of people on Akainu's Hit List.
All i'm saying is that I am not totally convinced that Luffy will be the person that defeats Akainu. I really could see Dragon, Coby, Teach or someone else doing it.
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I'm glad Oda depicted Luffy crying like that. Sadness isn't pretty, it's a very ugly feeling. He implemented this well.
And we get to see the fabled Dadan! She hasn't done anything but she already kicks ass!Man, I hate waiting two weeks.
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There are only so many parents that could spawn Lola. Dadan seems like she could be one of them. Also, I have the hunch that she could potentially end up being "Big Mom".
Though, it probably doesn't match up as she would go from Mountain bandit to Yonkou in a very short time.
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I feel so bad for Luffy :sad: It was to be expected that he would react this way when he woke up, but seriously, I just can't help it. This is some serious trauma he's going to have to get over, and we all know somebody's gotta give him some kind of pep talk in the meantime.
You know what though? This whole time, Garp has been saying he left Luffy and Ace with a 'friend' to train them. BULLSHIT! He freaking blackmailed them, and I think it's hilarious too . Well, now we can expect a Luffy/Ace backstory and something tells me that those two didn't get along at first (I think it was the loogie on Luffy's cheek, curtesy of Ace). Looks interesting. -
One of the saddest chapters in One Piece. Oda is not gonna let the Ace situation rest without us crying rivers!
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Hmmm…that chapter was not what I expected, I guess Oda is slowing the story down some, it was the first 20 page chapter in a while I think
Still introduction of Dandan was cool, and Bepo of course was epic but I am feeling a couple weeks of flashbacks
Luffys reaction to Aces death was very over the top but I think it works because this is Luffys first real loss in his life and it will be intresting to see where he goes from here mentaly. I doubt he can be as fun loving and cheerful as before but I dont want him to lose all of his personality, we dont need a Saskue in this series...
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There are only so many parents that could spawn Lola. Dadan seems like she could be one of them. Also, I have the hunch that she could potentially end up being "Big Mom".
If she was that strong then Garp wouldn't be able to intimidate her.
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Well I don't think the flashback will be that long. I think we will ger many other flashbacks of Luffy in the future. Like about his mom, Dragon and so on.
Now thats an interesting idea, Luffy's current flashback only talks about his relationship with Ace. And the rest could be spread along with the story. Though, I don't think we'll have a flashback with his mom or Dragon, Luffy was surprised to know that he even had a dad when Garp told him, so i don't think he has ever seen Dragon. And seeing that the youngest Luffy we have seen is at age 7, and he isn't living with his mother. I won't be surprised if he have never seen his mother as well
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Bepo has to be either a talking bear, a human who ate a zoan fruit, or a person dressed as a bear, which doesn't seem likely. HE can't have eaten the human fruit, because chopper did already–and there's supposed to be only one at a time, right?
Personally I want him to turn out to be a talking bear the most, because that would just be right. Am I right?
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Jimbei once again thinking about his promise to Ace about watching over Luffy. Hancock still love sick in the same chapter. I wonder what Oda is trying to foreshadow?
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Now thats an interesting idea, Luffy's current flashback only talks about his relationship with Ace. And the rest could be spread along with the story. Though, I don't think we'll have a flashback with his mom or Dragon, Luffy was surprised to know that he even had a dad when Garp told him, so i don't think he has ever seen Dragon. And seeing that the youngest Luffy we have seen is at age 7, and he isn't living with his mother. I won't be surprised if he have never seen his mother as well
Exactly what I mean^^
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It was a good chapter, I loved Luffy's reaction, Dadan and guess what….. in the last 2 chapters Jimbei was developed a bit.
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We have a talking starfish so it's obvious Bepo is a talking virgin bear.
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It seems like Shanks and Garp were the only people who looked down on Luffy eating a Devil fruit. They way Garp talks to Luffy in this chapter about eating the Gum Gum fruit almost makes it appear as if he never wanted him to eat one. I wonder if there is anything behind that? Maybe it's just a "your too young" kind of thing.
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Luffy's biological mother has to be a bounty hunter now. He's the grandson of a marine, the son of a revolutionary, the foster son of a mountain bandit, the adoptive younder brother of a pirate, and he's a pirate himself. So far he has no relatives that are bounty hunters.
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Hahahaha, Luffy the cry baby!
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Great chapter!
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Waaaaaaaaaaaait. Were those "2 weeks have passed" the time skip? Damn, trolled by Oda.
What is all this time skip stuff that's infected people's posts as of late? Did I miss a memo or something?
It seems like Shanks and Garp were the only people who looked down on Luffy eating a Devil fruit. They way Garp talks to Luffy in this chapter about eating the Gum Gum fruit almost makes it appear as if he never wanted him to eat one. I wonder if there is anything behind that? Maybe it's just a "your too young" kind of thing.
Garp's not a DF user (presumably, I mean it's always possible but doesn't seem likely at this point) and regularly beats them up, he could see it as a crutch.
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Croc will take the WB pirates captain position….Oda hasnt shown them in purpose.....
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What is all this time skip stuff that's infected people's posts as of late? Did I miss a memo or something?
I remember someone mentioning an interview where Oda said he loved the time skip in Dragon Ball and wanted to do something similar, but I thought that was an April Fool's joke?
Also, Oda's being pretty brilliant with this whole flashback thing, I think. We were already devastated once by his death, now we'll actually get to know him better and at the end of the flashback have the painful revelation that, well, he's dead! It's essentially the power of two death scenes for the price of one character. Nice job.
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What is all this time skip stuff that's infected people's posts as of late? Did I miss a memo or something?
Oda did say Strong World was Luffy's last adventure as a 17 year old, but that could mean a multitude of things.
Then Greg's April fools joke about a color walk interview. Don't no body have no solid proof of no time skip.
I just noticed Ace is introduced just after he killed some kind of buffulo or something.
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Oda did say Strong World was Luffy's last adventure as a 17 year old, but that could mean a multitude of things.
Then Greg's April fools joke about a color walk interview. Don't no body have no solid proof of no time skip.
I just noticed Ace is introduced just after he killed some kind of buffulo or something.
And he only used a stick to kill it :blink:
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What is all this time skip stuff that's infected people's posts as of late? Did I miss a memo or something?
Kind of.
There were some interesting words of Oda in the air some time ago, so the idea caught up.Basically, look you can see it all here.
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And he only used a stick to kill it :blink:
I think its a pipe actually, thats brutal.
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Dadan… not what anyone was expecting, I think.
Luffy's suffering is palpable. Excellent job following up on that Oda, but it was to be expected. Emotional stuff tends to be his strong point. But given all his crying and hititng things and not believing and suffering here on page, (and it took me a bit to realize he was trying to hit something hard enough to wake up and make the bad dream go away...) I expect him to tough past it pretty quickly after the flashback and live on, more determined than before. When Jimbei tells him things, or Ace's (and Whitebeard's) last wishes perhaps. Knowing that he's carrying the dreams of Ace, Whitebeard, and Roger now will probably help him out.
Hancock's reactions continue to amuse me. She's really just such a lovesick schoolgirl, it's cute.
Law is pulling ahead as "really interesting" supernova who'll no doubt interact with the crew a lot in the future. Bepo is fun as well. Hes gonna end up doing great in the tourney.
And I guess officially... Luffy didn't meet Ace till AFTER Shanks left. Makes me wonder all the more what Shank's interest in Ace was. Was he aware he was Roger's son? Had stories gotten back to him of Luffy having a brother? Did they just meet on the sea somewhere along the way before Ace joined WB?
And Ace left 3 years before Luffy did, so that gives them... 7 years to grow up together? Thats plenty of time for brotherly bond.
QUESTION. Is there any sort of japanese pun to be made out of luffy's shirt being a 56? Or it it just random shirt decoration?
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It is obvious that Luffy vs Akainu will happen. I bet if this happens, everyone will be excited to see Luffy kicking his lava ass. Luffy has to be stronger than admiral level if he wishes to become PK.
Zoro must have an obvious grudge on Kizaru for almost killing him as well.
Luffy will Haki the shit out of Akainu. You thought Lucci was beaten up pretty bad. . .oh man.
And Zoro will no doubt defeat Kizaru, especially if he can continue to bypass the whole "haki" thing and simply be powerful enough to cut something like LIGHT. HOLY EFFING HELL.
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I think Oda's way of portraying Luffy's feelings is very strong and emotional. The scene with Luffy looking at his hands and remembering Ace's blood… brilliant. It's like something straight out of Evangelion. It amazes me that Oda actually utilizes these kinds of themes in what is normally such a feel-good series.
As for Dadan being a girl, didn't see that one coming. I like how she looks kind of like Dola in Laputa though. :P
Why must there be a break next week!!!!!? :(
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No! I cried again! poor Luffy :( Looks like a long flashback yay!
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more and more Jimbei will join the crew
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QUESTION. Is there any sort of japanese pun to be made out of luffy's shirt being a 56? Or it it just random shirt decoration?
go = 5, muttsu = 6 (it's a different way of saying "6"), 56 = gomu