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      I suggest that you should read the whole thread from page 5 to grasp fully what's going on.
      Pretty outdated but quite necessary information:

      ! > A legislative proposal that aims to amend the current child pornography law was submitted on the 24th of February this year and being reviewed by the Tokyo’s committee. According to sources, it might not be long before the committee starts to vote on the proposed law, and the voted results could become law by this October.

      In the proposed amendments, depiction of non-existent youth (yes, that means 2D characters) aged below 18 will face restrictions and in addition to that, internet usage for Japanese minors will be restricted through usage of filtering software in both internet cafes as well as mobile phones.

      It is mentioned that the proposal will be presented to the Tokyo Metropolitan Assembly’s General Affairs Committee on the 18th of March, and voting by the committee will be on the 19th of March. If all goes well, the entire assembly will be voting on the proposal on the 30th of March. If the proposed law is passed by the assembly, the loli ban will probably go into full effect as soon as the 1st of October.
      ! While the way these things are phrased seems intended to target mostly pedophilia, apparently the wording is much broader, with potentially much larger ramifications.
      ! The first post on the subject from this thread is below. This is biased scare tactic fan speculation. Slightly legitimate, but stated in a wild, hard to follow or believe fashion. This is pretty much said in the worst way possible to get a reaction, without getting any real facts across. (this is why the first couple pages of the thread are crazy, sarcastic and skeptical)
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      ! > This is a law intended to ban all sexual behaviors of fictional characters who LOOK below 18. Don't tell me how they're going to judge but if this is true, not only it will be the end of yaoi (as not only are the shota pron in danger but the whole genre of school yaoi will DIE) and imagine just what size that will be. In addition, Naruto, Reborn, Code Geass, and basically 99% of manga will perish with this law because characters who are fighting there are definitely below 18. The tricky thing about this law is that they're not really advertising the law, it's not on the news and nobody except a very small proportion of people even know about it.

      If they pass that shit piece of law (which is likely at this moment because many people, even Japanese, don't know about the law so they don't even have a chance to oppose to the law), it'll be DOOMSDAY really for me.
      ! –-
      http://www.asahi.com/national/update/0315/TKY201003150446.html
      ! Search google if you want more informations. Google translation will help as well.
      I didn't think the part about fighting is accurate.
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      From Japanator (trustworthy)
      ! > "Any character that regardless of actual age has an appearance of being under 18, and has a possibility of causing youths to lust for or possibility of bringing this fantasy to real life, will have to be censored"
      ! I don't exactly care abour Naruto or Bleach, but Kenichi, Berserk … Many shounen has fanservices from under 18 years old characters.
      Oda let Luffy pass the age of 17 anyway. Nami is 18 from the beginning.[/hide]
      ! legitimate concerns from Aohige
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      I hate to inform you this, but you're wrong.
      ! This IS a huge deal, and there ARE major (and I mean MAJOR like Fujiko Fujio A and Go Nagai, living legends) protesting.
      ! This isn't a "anti pedo law" like you described.
      It can even ban something like Berserk, because it has a depiction of the protagonist's trauma by being raped at the young age.
      There's a reason why manga artists are up in arms…. no, it's not a misunderstanding at all, and it's a very dangerous law that could annihilate portion of the entire manga industry. And I'm not talking about adult manga, I'm talking about seinen, shounen, and shoujo markets.[/hide]
      ! Mangaka who oppose the law: http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1596572&postcount=55
      [hide]I'm too lazy and unpassionate about the deal to start a new thread, robby.
      ! Anyways, manga artist ARE taking action against the deal.
      And we're not talking about some obsecure adult manga aritsts… we're talking about living legends.
      ! Fujiko Fujio A - legendary partner of late Fujiko F. Fujio, and author of many classic masterpieces
      Nagai Go - Devil Man, Cutey Honey, Mazinger series, and countless classic masterpieces
      Saitoh Takao - Golgo 13
      Adachi Mitsuru - Touch, Miyuki, H2
      Takahashi Rumiko - Urusei Yatsura, Maison Ikkoku, Ranma, Inuyasha
      Aoyama Goushou - Detective Conan (Case Closed), YAIBA
      Motomiya Hiroshi - Otoko ippiki Gaki-daisho, Salaryman Kintaro
      Chiba Tetsuya - Ashita no Joe
      Kunitomo Yasuyuki - 10 billion yen man, JUNK BOY
      Hirokane Kenshi - Shima Kousaku series
      Kawaguchi Kaiji - Zipang, The Silent Service
      Fujisawa Tooru - GTO
      Itagaki Keisuke - Baki series
      Hagio Moto - The Lost heart for Toma, The Clan of Poes
      Akamatsu Ken - Love Hina, Negima
      Watashiya Kaoru - Kodomo no Jikan
      Imagawa Yasuhiro - Director of Giant Robo OVA, G Gundam, and the recent Shin Mazinger Z
      Yasuhiko Yoshikazu - Character designer for the original Mobile Suits Gundam, Z Gundam, F91, Combattler V, Zambot, and many other classic anime
      ! I mean, damn, what an impressive list.
      First of all, you can't find a legend bigger than Fujiko Fujio in the manga industry that's still alive today.
      And many others on the list are no less of a star, including Nagai Go, and Rumiko Takahashi.
      ! Jump artists aren't listed on there, but the author of Inukami did draw protest about the bill as a content of his manga with his characters voicing logical reasons why this is a terrible idea, and published in last week's Jump.
      ! And the law isn't a simple anti-pedophilia law.
      The bill, which they are trying to pass in Tokyo prefecture, prohibits any depiction of sexually suggestive or activities of minors, regardless of context or the expilicity of the content. Unless the content is sold as adult-only.
      ! For example, something like Berserk can be banned in Tokyo, simply because the protagonist's traumatic past of being raped is depicted. Or the scenes with Princess Charlotte and Griffth, followed by her father's madness. These were obviously not depicted in pornographic nature, but the bill would still prohibit this.
      ! So the bill mainly affects seinen (青年), shounen, and shoujo manga.
      seinen (成年, adult only) manga will not be affected.[/hide]
      ! A site to contribute signatures to oppose the law:
      ! > here

      Step 1 Step 2
      ! A helpful article:
      http://2chan.us/wordpress/2010/03/10/translation-yoshitoshi-abe/
      ! > the whole legislation is an unconstitutional and ridiculous piece of legislation
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      Update:New information:
      http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=2041605&postcount=187

      http://apforums.net/showthread.php?p=2042113#post2042113

      http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=2042728&postcount=287

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        how will i survive

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          youd be surprised to find that there is one or two threads floating around here that ARENT flooded in underage pornography

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            This is complete bullshit.

            Maybe Oda knew about this law and that's why he made Luffy no longer a 17 year old?
            Also, I don't think it will matter with Chopper since he is an animal (hopefully).

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              I'm scared of what this will mean for Negima and Kenichi.

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              how will i survive

              You know Soul Eater will be affected by this too, right?

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                You know Soul Eater will be affected by this too, right?

                I just thought of that :sad:

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                    According to the quote you posted just now, they said they're going to ban the "sexual behaviour" of characters and not the characters as a whole.

                    And boo-hoo, no yaoi, nobody cares.

                    EDIT: Did someone seriously panic over the thought of Chopper not being "sexual" anymore?

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                      @MiniLuffy:

                      According to the quote you posted just now, they said they're going to ban the "sexual behaviour" of characters and not the characters as a whole.

                      And boo-hoo, no yaoi, nobody cares.

                      I agree that Yaoi better die.
                      But… Negima, Soul Eater, Kenichi,...with such fanservice...

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                        Maybe I'm misreading this but "This is a law intended to ban all sexual behaviors of fictional characters who LOOK below 18." would hint at banning sexual behaviour of fictional characters below 18, rather than fictional characters below 18 altogether. It's still 'messingwithfreedomohsowrongetc', but I doubt it is that big a deal.

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                          They should read the Comic Book version of Kick-Ass. You wanna talk minors and violence? They'd shit themselves seeing Hit-Girl getting smacked around by a meat tenderizer.

                          It'll never pass. And even if it does, who cares? So our favorite characters will look a little older. And Yaoi is garbage, anyway.

                          I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                            You can find many threads about it on other forums. As I see it now, they may ban all manga that have character look like under 18 doing something 18+, or censor the scene. I am not sure though. Waiting for confirmation from members who can read Japanese.

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                              youd be surprised to find that there is one or two threads floating around here that ARENT flooded in underage pornography

                              where :blink:

                              but to that new law…
                              ehhm, does this mean that an ongoing series have to stop directly?..like kenichi.

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                                  Its only about sex, why do you guys think they would ban the brutal stuff?

                                  Oh, and Naruto's sexy Jutsu girl doesn'T look under 18

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                                    Dunno if this is true. Someone who knows Japansese said this law include:

                                    ALL CHARACTER OF MANGA / looking like UNDER 18 YEARS / CAN THE SITUATION AS SENSITIVE E / H AND BLOOD CONTENT (INCLUDING NAR, OP, FMA, EVEN Doraemon)

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                                      This law is a joke… even if it somehow survives, what purpose could it possibly serve?
                                      The only way to keep pedophiles from thinking about pedophilia would be to ban children.
                                      And of course there's the worst case scenario, hoards of hormone-crazed moe fans taking to the streets and raping children en masse... kinda like this:
                                      http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/negro_cocaine_fiends.htm

                                      https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/913949065446850590/964418994973073479/RPReplay_Final1650004792.mov

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                                        http://www.animevice.com/news/new-legislation-could-put-mosaic-blur-on-every-child/3878/

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                                          This is bullshit.

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                                            YAOI, NARUTO, CODE GEASS AND REBORN
                                            OH NO THEY DIDNT!!!!
                                            oh wait, nevermind. all those are terrible. they deserve to die off.

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                                              Its not going to effect normal mangas. Its just to go against lollicon porn mangas and stuff. They just want to make sure to cover all loopholes.

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                                                YAOI, NARUTO, CODE GEASS AND REBORN
                                                OH NO THEY DIDNT!!!!
                                                oh wait, nevermind. all those are terrible. they deserve to die off.

                                                Soul Eater, Negima, Kenichi among other manga aren't and apparently it might affect Hunter too.

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                                                  @MarcelloF:

                                                  Its not going to effect normal mangas. Its just to go against lollicon porn mangas and stuff. They just want to make sure to cover all loopholes.

                                                  What is normal manga then?
                                                  Japanator:

                                                  "Any character that regardless of actual age has an appearance of being under 18, and has a possibility of causing youths to lust for or possibility of bringing this fantasy to real life, will have to be censored"

                                                  I am sure that many shounen has under 18 characters performing actions causing lust to readers. That is what called fanservice isn't it?

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                                                    I just love how it's bad to show underage children in sexual situations but a-okay if an underage kid rips someone's head off.

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                                                      With normal manga I mean mangas that don'T show naked 7 years olds or them in "sexy" positions.

                                                      I'm sure series like One Piece, Naruto, Bleach and HxH will continue normally.

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                                                        @MarcelloF:

                                                        With normal manga I mean mangas that don'T show naked 7 years olds or them in "sexy" positions.

                                                        I'm sure series like One Piece, Naruto, Bleach and HxH will continue normally.

                                                        You forgot Biscuise:
                                                        http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/158/11/
                                                        http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/137/12/

                                                        Is a lookalike 10 years old girl drooling over a naked man considered sexy situation?
                                                        Is Sailor Moon a normal manga?
                                                        What about 14 years old Naruto peeking the girls?

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                                                          You forgot Biscuise
                                                          http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/158/11/
                                                          http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/137/12/

                                                          Is Sailor Moon a normal manga?
                                                          What about Naruto peeking the girls?

                                                          I don't think those HxH one are that bad really. I was thinking this law might affect pages more like this:
                                                          http://www.onemanga.com/Soul_Eater/0/c-26/

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                                                            the picture of biscuit isn'T sexual at all. In that picture you can only tell from her face she's a girl. It's not meant to turn one on or anything. And Hisoka isn't under 18 nor does he look it.

                                                            Sailor Moon I only watched like once, but The Sailor Caddettes look about 18 anyways.

                                                            Naruto peeping isn't him peeping at little girls, but at adult women.

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                                                              he picture of biscuit isn'T sexual at all. In that picture you can only tell from her face she's a girl.

                                                              Togashi draw her vagina.:ninja:

                                                              And Hisoka isn't under 18 nor does he look it.

                                                              By posting it I mean look at that 7 years old drooling over naked Hisoga.:ninja: I think it is not some thing children should read.

                                                              Fine. You keep your opinion. I am not arguing anymore. To some degree you are right.

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                                                              I don't think those HxH one are that bad really. I was thinking this law might affect pages more like this:
                                                              http://www.onemanga.com/Soul_Eater/0/c-26/

                                                              That I completely agree.

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                                                                I didn'T even notice the line between her legs ^^. Still she looks more like the Digmon Tamers and Frontiers while fusing with the digimon/ digivolving…

                                                                The drooling is comedic, though...

                                                                Still I don't really want to argue; I just wanted to mention these things.

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                                                                  My Neighbor Totoro. Spreading evil lust since 1988.

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                                                                    I didn'T even notice the line between her legs ^^.

                                                                    Ah, that mean I am a perverted bastard.:ninja:^^

                                                                    Oh, I forgot Doraemon.

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                                                                      This is a law intended to ban all sexual behaviors of fictional characters who LOOK below 18.

                                                                      You folks DO realize that its just a law targeted at child porn, and NOT any and all children in all media, right? Or did any of you even read the quoted article? Its almost entirely fan created over-reacting bull.

                                                                      They're not about to start banning Dragonball or any of the Miyazaki works.

                                                                      Just the bullshit pedo crap that really shouldn't exist to begin with.

                                                                      Anime and manga haven't even had topless females since the 80's anyway.

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                                                                        So a lot of Shounen, Seinin, Shoujo, and Josei manga will be axed/censored so heaviliy people will lose interest…

                                                                        Nah, not gonna happen. The manga publishers are already crying because sales are down. You axe these significant portions of these 4 demographics and GG manga industry, GG International Markets, and GG a portion of your GDP.

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                                                                          Thats kinda what I've been saying…

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                                                                            WAH. An article with one line of reporting and 20 lines of over reaction and biased unfounded random speculation is going to get me to over-react and blow things out of proportion too!

                                                                            WAH.

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                                                                              You folks DO realize that its just a law targeted at child porn, and NOT any and all children in all media, right? Or did any of you even read the quoted article? Its almost entirely fan created over-reacting bull.

                                                                              They're not about to start banning Dragonball or any of the Miyazaki works.

                                                                              Just the bullshit pedo crap that really shouldn't exist to begin with.

                                                                              Anime and manga haven't even had topless females since the 80's anyway.

                                                                              Oh so manga like Negima are safe?

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                                                                                Negima doesn't even have nipples.

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                                                                                  The Sea, the person you quoted in your first post, I don't know who he/she is, but her quote is really confusing and vague.
                                                                                  It turns from "ban all sexual behaviors of fictional characters who LOOK below 18" to "ban all Characters looking below 18!!!!11111OMGWTF!!111

                                                                                  I think this person didn't read the source properly, maybe we can find a more logical summary of this? This reads like some kind enraged fanboy post…Please change it as soon as possible.

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                                                                                  I don't exactly care abour Naruto or Bleach, but HXH … Many shounen has fanservices from under 18 years old characters.
                                                                                  I am glad that Oda let Luffy pass the age of 17. Thank God, Nami is 18.

                                                                                  From what I gathered, I don't think Nami would be in danger since her physique clearly suggests she's a grown up, young woman (and she doesn't even do shit to complain about in the firts place). I think the thing this law tries to fight would be sexual or erotic content with underaged children. The early chapters of soul eater mildy cross the line sometimes, but that's the only shonen I can think of at the moment. And the manga would still have it's charm even if we cut out those little pieces of fanservice.
                                                                                  Those that worry about the violence part, calm down. You actually believe they will ban underaged kids fighting in shonen, with the adventures of young Goku being one of the most popular shonen mangas around?
                                                                                  Clearly, the law is aimed against the violence in those very special gore mangas, where very graphic violence is inflicted on child-like characters.

                                                                                  So I actually don't care too much about the law, out of the aspect of artistic freedom.

                                                                                  But I have to wait for a proper translation, right now the material to discuss with is a mess.

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                                                                                  My Neighbor Totoro. Spreading evil lust since 1988.

                                                                                  My Neighbor Totoro is a lame prude compared to this girl here.

                                                                                  Heidi started the movement. The girl has been flashing them panties since 1974.
                                                                                  Corrupted my soul.

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                                                                                    Negima doesn't even have nipples.

                                                                                    Yeah. But I doubt a manga with somewhat heavily loli fanservice like Negima won't be affected.

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                                                                                      I don't think those HxH one are that bad really. I was thinking this law might affect pages more like this:
                                                                                      http://www.onemanga.com/Soul_Eater/0/c-26/

                                                                                      ok, keep 'em cum.. urps, i mean, coming!

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                                                                                        Yeah. But I doubt a manga with somewhat heavily loli fanservice like Negima won't be affected.

                                                                                        Negima doesn't even have nipples.

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                                                                                          Negima doesn't even have nipples.

                                                                                          Okay.

                                                                                          Those that worry about the violence part, calm down.

                                                                                          At first I actually thought that was made up to gather signatures to oppose the law. Too soon to say anything, though.
                                                                                          Anyway:
                                                                                          http://www.japanator.com/new-legislation-might-censor-lolis-regardless-of-age-13738.phtml

                                                                                          "has a possibility of causing youths to lust for" is extremely vague. Youths will lust for anything.

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                                                                                            pedophiles getting their asses kicked is always awesome. whats the fuss

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                                                                                              Would that mean I get banned for….well...being me?

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                                                                                                pedophiles getting their asses kicked is always awesome. whats the fuss

                                                                                                If it is just that then I fully support this law.

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                                                                                                  It is just that.

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                                                                                                    Well I think Tigerlilly is right, the OP is very confusing. I haven't checked to see if it is different than when I first read it but didn't it say something about banning under 18 year old characters from fighting? So every Shonen ever? That can't be right…

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                                                                                                      OP was confusing as hell when I read it half awake this morning.

                                                                                                      And it's still just as confusing

                                                                                                      did you say you used google translate for this?

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                                                                                                        did you say you used google translate for this?

                                                                                                        Nope. I read it in a manga forum. After some googling I found that it alsp has been posted in many forum too.

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