I also want to see the crews reaction to the main who has inspired Luffy so much.
I know how Boa will react:
Hancock: "So you made Luffy into the man he is today…
...
...May I suck your dick?"
I also want to see the crews reaction to the main who has inspired Luffy so much.
I know how Boa will react:
Hancock: "So you made Luffy into the man he is today…
...
...May I suck your dick?"
I hope Shanks sticks around and trains Luffy instead of Rayleigh. Luffy leaning from his idol would be awesome.
Even though this doesn't seem likely, I hope it happens….I also want to see the crews reaction to the main who has inspired Luffy so much.
Hey, I called it way before you did!! So, back off!!
iam curious how shanks will end this WAR!?:wassat:
Now this battle went from protected an execution and defeating Whitebeard, to a full blown slaughter on both sides. The Whitebeard Pirates aren't about to roll over and get killed . They maybe tired, and shocked , but they are very driven in their goal of escaping back to the New World. Don't let the earlier incapacitation of Jozu and Marco fool you into believeing they aren't capable of beating back the Marines. When it comes down to it They have just as many heavy hitters as The Government does. With Shanks crew showing up they can fully escape
As a member of the Marines, how does one regroup when these type of conversations are taking place?
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Coby is still young, idealistic and has a lot of maturing to do.
It's called retreating…..Why go after Luffy and the other pirates when things are going on?
Idealy you want any of your troops to die, but most commanders are generaly prepared to write of anything below a third of their troops as acceptable losses.
Of course you don't want anyone to die. However, if you can treat someone while they're hit and they're alive you treat them you start taking to many causalities your fall back you don't press ahead and sacrifice the injured to die. You're supposed to be brothers in arms comrades in battle. It's pretty shitty and scumbagish to leave someone injured behind. Willing to fight along side someone and die to save one of them. It's dispicibable what the mariners are doing but hey they've done it before when they destroyed the Civilian ships of Robin's home town.
@cyan I always think your name is cyan d. fuck LoL
It's a war, and they're fighing criminals. Coby is an idiot here.
Coby is sticking up for the small guy, You know ones who are going to die or unable to fight anymore.
I wonder how you would feel if you were hurt and had chance to live but some said don't bother with him let him die. After you just gave your all for those same people.
In no war you order you soldiers not to help the injured. It's worst when have a 10 to 1 advantage in numbers.
Are we forgetting that there are 100 000 marines to at most 20 000 pirates that are running away , there not even fighting.
When unsure, blame Haki… (OP rule no. 721)
That's an actual rule now? Well crap, I could've been using that for a lot of unexplainable things lately.
It's called retreating…..Why go after Luffy and the other pirates when things are going on?
Of course you don't want anyone to die. However, if you can treat someone while they're hit and they're alive you treat them you start taking to many causalities your fall back you don't press ahead and sacrifice the injured to die.
Actually, in the second panel here, the Marines have been ordered to focus on the Whitebeard Pirates and Blackbeard Pirates.
The Marines have killed the most powerful man in the world, still have all their major pieces in place and have the Whitebeard Pirates on the ropes.
If Shanks doesn't show up, I really believe the Marines have a chance to take down every single member of the Whitebeard Alliance, as well as Blackbeard and company.
Coby is sticking up for the small guy, You know ones who are going to die or unable to fight anymore.
I wonder how you would feel if you were hurt and had chance to live but some said don't bother with him let him die. After you just gave your all for those same people.
It's a war and every Marine, from the Fleet Admiral all the way down to the Petty Officer knew there was a chance they may not come back alive.
Again, the Marines literally have the Whitebeard Pirates on the ropes and they still have 3 Admirals, Garp and Sengoku.
If I were Fleet Admiral Sengoku, knowing I have all my Admirals and Garp, I go for the jugular and try to wipe out every pirate that showed up to Marineford.
Heck, a good case could be made that more Marines and Citizens lives could be lost if you don't take care of business at Marineford.
This serie is to damn good =') Go Shanks!
@Don:
iam curious how shanks will end this WAR!?:wassat:
Well i hope he gonna show the true strength of a yonkou.
So far the admirals seemed to get to good away in this war…tho we didnt see all.
With Shanks there(and his crew) the balance should change to the Pirates....
And theres still BB there where the marines should have enough trouble....
hopefully we see a mihawk vs shanks scene at some point
and god damn it why can't he just show us kaidou
Actually, in the second panel here, the Marines have been ordered to focus on the Whitebeard Pirates and Blackbeard Pirates.
The Marines have killed the most powerful man in the world, still have all their major pieces in place and have the Whitebeard Pirates on the ropes.
If Shanks doesn't show up, I really believe the Marines have a chance to take down every single member of the Whitebeard Alliance, as well as Blackbeard and company.
I mean Blackbeard is cleary the biggest threat right now. He's using WB power in conjuction with his own and you send 2 admirals after pirates who just lost their captain in the process lose your own men don't allow them to be treated and kill ppl who attempt to treat them? Yeah I don't see how anyone can support any of the marines action or justify it. I think you guys just aren't decent people if you really feel that way.
It's a war and every Marine, from the Fleet Admiral all the way down to the Petty Officer knew there was a chance they may not come back alive.
Again, the Marines literally have the Whitebeard Pirates on the ropes and they still have 3 Admirals, Garp and Sengoku.
If I were Fleet Admiral Sengoku, knowing I have all my Admirals and Garp, I go for the jugular and try to wipe out every pirate that showed up to Marineford.
I add to my post the marines have a 100 000 marines to 20 000 pirates and still ordering them not help anyone.
Also knowing you might not come back alive and be left for dead is not same thing .
Also the marines have 3 other yonkous to worry about plus dragon . Along with someone that can kill all them as soon as he learns to use his power.
Why leave men for dead when can save them and use them for another day when you have number and power advantage.
Wow, Shanks Saved Luffy, and Now he saved Coby.
A new pirate is born: Strawhat Coby.
Ben's gun has the Magnet-Magnet no mi. Whoever it locks on to, the bullets will be attracted to him. Guided Missiles ftw.
The same as Franky's?
Coby is sticking up for the small guy, You know ones who are going to die or unable to fight anymore.
I wonder how you would feel if you were hurt and had chance to live but some said don't bother with him let him die. After you just gave your all for those same people.
In no war you order you soldiers not to help the injured. It's worst when have a 10 to 1 advantage in numbers.
The one who said "let him be" was actually in a fight. What is he supposed to do, turn his back and get cut down? He was pretty much stating the obvious to that marine who, if he wanted to help save marine lives, should have helped him.
Are we forgetting that there are 100 000 marines to at most 20 000 pirates that are running away , there not even fighting.
It's not like the front line fighters are doctors, the marines have overwhelming numbers, there should be plenty to drag off the wounded to the medics. The marines are not being pushed back they are doing the pushing so they are not leaving people behind either.
Coby's foaming with his mouth after being saved, what relief he must have felt facing death at Akainu's hands. Or is it because of Shank's presence?
The one who said "let him be" was actually in a fight. What is he supposed to do, turn his back and get cut down? He was pretty much stating the obvious to Coby who, if he wanted to help save marine lives, should have helped instead of throwing a fit.
It's not like the front line fighters are doctors, the marines have overwhelming numbers, there should be plenty to drag off the wounded to the medics. The marines are not being pushed back they are doing the pushing so they are not leaving people behind either.
Did you read the chapter on page 7 he was order to leave someone behind . The marines are not pushing any where they going after a enemy that are running away . It not hard to push when your enemy is not fighting . The pirates are still obeying WB last order which is to run .
The one who said "let him be" was actually in a fight. What is he supposed to do, turn his back and get cut down? He was pretty much stating the obvious to Coby who, if he wanted to help save marine lives, should have helped instead of throwing a fit.
It's not like the front line fighters are doctors, the marines have overwhelming numbers, there should be plenty to drag off the wounded to the medics. The marines are not being pushed back they are doing the pushing so they are not leaving people behind either.
clearly you did not read any of the text in this chapter, or what shanks said, and clearly did not get the fact that Oda pretty much agrees with coby's logic and is portraying the marines as cold hearted
you might want to re read the chapter
Coby's foaming with his mouth after being saved, what relief he must have felt facing death at Akainu's hands. Or is it because of Shank's presence?
I think he just passed out due to the awesome presence known as Shanks vs. the MAGMA FIST OF JUSTICE!
I mean Blackbeard is cleary the biggest threat right now. He's using WB power in conjuction with his own and you send 2 admirals after pirates who just lost their captain in the process lose your own men don't allow them to be treated and kill ppl who attempt to treat them? Yeah I don't see how anyone can support any of the marines action or justify it. I think you guys just aren't decent people if you really feel that way.
Regarding Blackbeard being the biggest threat, I really believe the thinking here is that Sengoku can and is holding his own against the Blackbeard Pirates. And in the panel where Blackbeard threatens to kill Sengoku and Garp, you can see Garp in the background ready for the "word" from Sengoku to join in the fun .
Furthermore, I think people really have to realize just how big a threat the Whitebeard Pirates were. Whitebeard clearly surrouned himself with very strong fighters and these guys are still a threat. Better to deal with them now, then have to chase them all over the sea later.
I add to my post the marines have a 100 000 marines to 20 000 pirates and still ordering them not help anyone.
Also knowing you might not come back alive and be left for dead is not same thing .
Also the marines have 3 other yonkous to worry about plus dragon . Along with someone that can kill all them as soon as he learns to use his power.
Why leave men for dead when can save them and use them for another day when you have number and power advantage.
I might have missed this but when were the Marines ordered to not help anyone?
Again, one could make an argument that more lives will be lost if you don't close out the Whitebeard and Blackbeard Pirates right now, as opposed to living and fighting another day.
The Marines still have all their top fighters in tact, while the Pirates are on the ropes.
Why do you all think Shanks showed up? Because he saw that the Pirates, the Whitebeard Alliance and Luffy, have absolutely no chance in this war now that Whitebeard is dead, even with Teach keeping Sengoku occupied.
Go for the Jugular!!!
Regarding Blackbeard being the biggest threat, I really believe the thinking here is that Sengoku can and is holding his own against the Blackbeard Pirates. And in the panel where Blackbeard threatens to kill Sengoku and Garp, you can see Garp in the background ready for the "word" from Sengoku to join in the fun .
Furthermore, I think people really have to realize just how big a threat the Whitebeard Pirates were. Whitebeard clearly surrouned himself with very strong fighters and these guys are still a threat. Better to deal with them now, then have to chase them all over the sea later.
So am I to believe that BB with WB powers and his crew with the level 6 prisoners all that is warranted is Sengoku and Garp….yeah..... where the fuck is aokiji at ?
So am I to believe that BB with WB powers and his crew with the level 6 prisoners all that is warranted is Sengoku and Garp….yeah..... where the fuck is aokiji at ?
Playing with the Wii in the PRL, of course. Kizaru spent chapters fixing it.
I might be the only one who hopes Luffy does not meet up with Shanks..and I don't expect this to happen, as well.
The submarine is gone :/ Buggy is not on it :/
:/
At least make him be fucking flashy next week, Oda. Shanks is there, show us the Hair & Nose duo.
So am I to believe that BB with WB powers and his crew with the level 6 prisoners all that is warranted is Sengoku and Garp….yeah..... where the fuck is aokiji at ?
Sengoku seems to be holding his own against all of them at the moment is he not? Sure, the Blackbeard Pirates haven't made a counterattack, but right at this very moment, Sengoku is giving the Blackbeard Pirates all they can handle.
Whether that will be enough, who knows.
Heck, Akainu was getting ready to take on a ton of Whitebeard Commanders and Crocodile by himself.
But again, the Marines were just ordered to focus on both the Blackbeard Pirates and the Whitebeard Pirates, so Sengoku will have support.
Coby is being very unrealistic here although Akainu was severely out of line by attempting to kill him after he perceived his insolence.
Btw everyone, how long before Garp turns on Akainu? I think there will be a confrontation at some point.
Regarding Blackbeard being the biggest threat, I really believe the thinking here is that Sengoku can and is holding his own against the Blackbeard Pirates. And in the panel where Blackbeard threatens to kill Sengoku and Garp, you can see Garp in the background ready for the "word" from Sengoku to join in the fun .
Furthermore, I think people really have to realize just how big a threat the Whitebeard Pirates were. Whitebeard clearly surrouned himself with very strong fighters and these guys are still a threat. Better to deal with them now, then have to chase them all over the sea later.
I might have missed this but when were the Marines ordered to not help anyone?
Again, one could make an argument that more lives will be lost if you don't close out the Whitebeard and Blackbeard Pirates right now, as opposed to living and fighting another day.
The Marines still have all their top fighters in tact, while the Pirates are on the ropes.
Why do you all think Shanks showed up? Because he saw that the Pirates, the Whitebeard Alliance and Luffy, have absolutely no chance in this war now that Whitebeard is dead, even with Teach keeping Sengoku occupied.
Go for the Jugular!!!
It's on page 7 of the very chapter , it's also something that coby talks about .
To show how stupid the marines are they should get rid of BB so he can't kill all of them . To make matter worst the longer you fight to better chance of people showing up that want to get rid of the marines.
The better chance of BB learning how to use WB power.
Sengoku seems to be holding his own against all of them at the moment is he not? Sure, the Blackbeard Pirates haven't made a counterattack, but right at this very moment, Sengoku is giving the Blackbeard Pirates all they can handle.
Whether that will be enough, who knows.
Heck, Akainu was getting ready to take on a ton of Whitebeard Commanders and Crocodile by himself.
But again, the Marines were just ordered to focus on both the Blackbeard Pirates and the Whitebeard Pirates, so Sengoku will have support.
Coby is being very unrealistic here although Akainu was severely out of line by attempting to kill him after he perceived his insolence.
Btw everyone, how long before Garp turns on Akainu? I think there will be a confrontation at some point.
We've seen Sengoku do one attack. BB has aimed his attack at the Island and now has created some waves. So how am I supposed to come to the conculsion that he's holding his own ? Coby is in the right whoever things coby is stupid or wrong is a bad person and should feel bad.
And Croc disappeared again in this chapter.
I understand he can't steal the spotlight every episode but Oda is turning him On and Off like a switch.
Maybe he changes to his girl form in the episodes where he is missing XD
I don't want to complain but… why is Shanks here and not Dragon??
I don't want to complain but… why is Shanks here and not Dragon??
Ssshhh! That's next week surprise!
We've seen Sengoku do one attack. BB has aimed his attack at the Island and now has created some waves. So how am I supposed to come to the conculsion that he's holding his own ? Coby is in the right whoever things coby is stupid or wrong is a bad person and should feel bad.
You can argue a whole lot about Cobys point, as it has been in this whole threat.
If you let those pirates loose now (in theory) who knows how many civilian lives are at stake. Where as those soldiers are all prepared to die hopefully, for their cause.
Justice MUST stand strong!
+does not want to be magma fisted+
Some one has probably already mentioned this, but I just remembered!
Shanks and Teach!
Maybe we'll get to see some of the history between them. You know they're going to consider Shanks more of a threat, so is BB gonna get jealous? :whistling:
Something just has to go down between them.
You can argue a whole lot about Cobys point, as it has been in this whole threat.
If you let those pirates loose now (in theory) who knows how many civilian lives are at stake. Where as those soldiers are all prepared to die hopefully, for their cause.
Justice MUST stand strong!
+does not want to be magma fisted+
There's a difference from dying for your cause and leaving your comrades behind to die then attack more of your comrades for trying to help the injured. Who knows wat WB's crew will do but you re group your re coup your losses you morn for the dead. Then you realize that your job isn't do and you go back out there and you take over the terrorities that used to be controlled by WB.
Dragon for 4th Yonkou.
Did you read the chapter on page 7 he was order to leave someone behind . The marines are not pushing any where they going after a enemy that are running away . It not hard to push when your enemy is not fighting . The pirates are still obeying WB last order which is to run .
It would be another case if the marines were being pushed back, then they would be leaving someone behind (in enemy hands). But now the marines are pushing forward so nothing is going to happen to the wounded. It's pretty safe to just let the medics handle it. And if we compare this to when Vivi made the claim to stop fighting, that made more sense, they were one people that turned on itself. This is different. If they let pirates go they will regroup, join other crews, harass honest citizens, and ultimately the marines have to fight them again, which will cost them lives. In the grand scheme it will probably save more marine lives to pursue them now and force surrender rather than pull back. Oda is pushing a morality lesson but it's kinda out of place in this context.
Are you saying the chapter is bad because the lesson is out of context?
Btw everyone, how long before Garp turns on Akainu? I think there will be a confrontation at some point.
One of these chapters is going to end like this:
Akainu: "Hey Garp, sorry I killed your adopted grandson and tried to kill your real grandson. Just my job. No hard feel -"
Garp clocks Akainu
Garp: "FIST THAT!"
The coby speech + smoker's and tashigi's opinon seems to foreshadow there'll be a grand event that will split the marines into 2 camps.
i am calling the death of Garp. In the hand of Akainu. Fisted from behind. His look in his panel has death written all over it, he is so going to confront Akainu after the war. Akainu must ve been tolerating Garp insubordination for years and the fact he is related to Dragon and luffy.
It's on page 7 of the very chapter , it's also something that coby talks about .
To show how stupid the marines are they should get rid of BB so he can't kill all of them . To make matter worst the longer you fight to better chance of people showing up that want to get rid of the marines.
The better chance of BB learning how to use WB power.
"One" Marine can be seen ordering another not to help anyone because the war is still going on. I don't know that this is necessarily the philosophy the entire Marines share.
Blackbeard isn't going to master the Gura Gura no Mi overnight. I think mastery of any Devil Fruit is going to take some time.
Going by your theory of other people showing up, who is to say that these new Pirates wouldn't just follow the Marines as they retreat and "go for the jugular"?
We've seen Sengoku do one attack. BB has aimed his attack at the Island and now has created some waves. So how am I supposed to come to the conculsion that he's holding his own ? Coby is in the right whoever things coby is stupid or wrong is a bad person and should feel bad.
Right, but how can you come to the conclusion that Sengoku, with Garp as backup isn't enough to handle Blackbeard and Company? Sengoku went toe to toe with Gol D. Rogers and he isn't Fleet Admiral for nothing. At this point, no conclusion can be made on whether or not Sengoku is sufficient to take care of Blackbeard and Company.
Coby was brave, but he was extremely stupid to do what he just did and I bet Garp was proud of him, but is going to knock him upside the head and tell him how dumb he was.
Did Coby actually think Akainu was going to listen to reason?
Also, anybody else wonder if Luffy on the verge of death was the reason Coby made his stand?
If Luffy is okay, I don't know if we hear from Coby.
I don't want to complain but… why is Shanks here and not Dragon??
I said this last week, why isn't Dragon making a move against Mariejoa? I would be surprised if we didn't here him doing something on Mariejoa after this is over.
wow i was completely ignored :sad:
runs away crying
@Cyan:
One of these chapters is going to end like this:
Akainu: "Hey Garp, sorry I killed your adopted grandson and tried to kill your real grandson. Just my job. No hard feel -"
Garp clocks Akainu
Garp: "FIST THAT!"
That would be funny
The coby speech + smoker's and tashigi's opinon seems to foreshadow there'll be a grand event that will split the marines into 2 camps.
i am calling the death of Garp. In the hand of Akainu. Fisted from behind. His look in his panel has death written all over it, he is so going to confront Akainu after the war. Akainu must ve been tolerating Garp insubordination for years and the fact he is related to Dragon and luffy.
I went on record a few weeks back and said Garp could die in this Arc. Honestly, besides mentor Coby, what else is there for Garp to do? How on earth can Garp remain a Marine when his Grandson was killed right in his face and other Grandson is half dead and the Marines are extremely bloodthirsty to finish him off?
It is extremely interesting that Blackbeard openly says he is going to kill Garp and Sengoku.
Also, I believe you are right. Oda is sewing the seeds of discontent among some of the rank and file of the Marines.
I don't think this split happens until towards the end of the series and at very crucial moments when the Marines are fighting their last battle, folks like Tashigi, Coby and Smoker will take a stand and usher in the downfall of the current regime.
Right, but how can you come to the conclusion that Sengoku, with Garp as backup isn't enough to handle Blackbeard and Company? Sengoku went toe to toe with Gol D. Rogers and he isn't Fleet Admiral for nothing. At this point, no conclusion can be made on whether or not Sengoku is sufficient to take care of Blackbeard and Company.
Coby was brave, but he was extremely stupid to do what he just did and I bet Garp was proud of him, but is going to knock him upside the head and tell him how dumb he was.
Did Coby actually think Akainu was going to listen to reason?
Also, anybody else wonder if Luffy on the verge of death was the reason Coby made his stand?
If Luffy is okay, I don't know if we hear from Coby.
If sengoku and garp can take on BB + 3 level 6 prisoners and hsi crew…....then why in the fuck did he call the whole marines out for WB he'll it should of just been him and Garp and they should of been like we got this shit.
hopefully we see a mihawk vs shanks scene at some point
and god damn it why can't he just show us kaidou
Personally, I think Blackbeard is going to kill Shanks when it is all said and done. However, Blackbeard clearly hasn't reached his full potential and I don't want this fight to happen until he does.
clearly you did not read any of the text in this chapter, or what shanks said, and clearly did not get the fact that Oda pretty much agrees with coby's logic and is portraying the marines as cold hearted
you might want to re read the chapter
And yet you have Pirates like Blackbeard bombastically stating that he is going to destroy Marineford and kill the Fleet Admiral and the Hero of the Marines.
Sorry folks, Marines have to finish the job here. Sengoku has got to figure out a way to prevent this New and much Darker Era from being born.
if sengoku's form/powers still wasn't being somewhat explained/hidden I'd say he could die but his powers are far to unexplained
Personally, I think Blackbeard is going to kill Shanks when it is all said and done. However, Blackbeard clearly hasn't reached his full potential and I don't want this fight to happen until he does.
And yet you have Pirates like Blackbeard bombastically stating that he is going to destroy Marineford and kill the Fleet Admiral and the Hero of the Marines.
Sorry folks, Marines have to finish the job here. Sengoku has got to figure out a way to prevent this New and much Darker Era from being born.
i don't think oda's gonna kill off every major character
as i've said he's not gonna go from "I'll never kill a character" to "KILL THE BITCHES KILL, KILL I WANT TO KILL" just because he killed two characters
you've said he'll kill off garp, shanks, sengoku(?)…. umm so now Oda kills everyone?
and shanks still has to give luffy his hat
and i'm talking about the WB pirates
Also i was watching the episodes and ivankov said" Dragon is not going to make a move just yet! he is a mastermind" now that quote says a lot. And just from that we can tell dragon is not an idiot but an intellectual.
And just from that we can tell dragon is not an idiot but an intellectual
This being the father of Luffy and son of Garp, he's bound to have some quirks.
Sengoku has got to figure out a way to prevent this New and much Darker Era from being born.
Then he'll fail, letting Blackbeard N' Pals escape while he stares at them in a pissed off manner.
If sengoku and garp can take on BB + 3 level 6 prisoners and hsi crew…....then why in the fuck did he call the whole marines out for WB he'll it should of just been him and Garp and they should of been like we got this shit.
I may be wrong here but Edward Newgate > Teach and his merry band of criminals.
Sengoku just called Blackbeard a "Greenhorn" last chapter. Clearly the Buddha thinks he is more then ample of holding Blackbeard and company at bay and again, the Marines just gave the orders to focus on both Pirate Crews, so Sengoku should get some support.
I'm not saying Sengoku is adequate enough, i'm just saying, Garp and Sengoku could be adequate enough to take out Blackbeard.
Remember folks, just because arrogant Teach proclaimed that this was his Era, doesn't mean that it is his era because I think Oda still hasn't finished developing Teach's character.
Teach is nowhere near where he will be once he and Luffy have the final showdown.
Just me or someone else is seriously falling in love with Akainu by each week?
I mean, just look at him here: http://static.mangastream.com/manga/5/78/08-09.png damn, fucking great panel!
Did Coby actually think Akainu was going to listen to reason?
Well, I actually think Akainu is being reasonable.
Just like in Ohara, I believe Akainu is the one who has the best understading of how serious is what they are doing. Ace was not the Marine goal, he was an example and a bait to lure WB and his crew there, it is stupid to think that just because Ace and WB are dead, Marines acheived their goal. Pirates are their enemies, not just 2 or 3, all of them. And, right there, they have the chance to take down many crews from New World along with all the WB commanders.
Sacrifices are needed and, sadly, even though Coby had good intentions, he was just being dangerous to the Marine as his words came in a moment that the soldiers' morale could not wane, they could not drop their weapons and start doubting or their side would be crushed (or, if the pirates decided not to fight back, dangerous elements would go back to the world). That moment Coby had to be silenced and Akainu understood that.
if sengoku's form/powers still wasn't being somewhat explained/hidden I'd say he could die but his powers are far to unexplained
i don't think oda's gonna kill off every major character
as i've said he's not gonna go from "I'll never kill a character" to "KILL THE BITCHES KILL, KILL I WANT TO KILL" just because he killed two characters
you've said he'll kill off garp, shanks, sengoku(?)…. umm so now Oda kills everyone?
and shanks still has to give luffy his hat
and i'm talking about the WB pirates
I said "when it is all said and done", meaning before the series is over.
There is noway, Shanks dies in this Arc but I think Teach will kill him eventually.
You may be talking about the Whitebeard Pirates, but to the Marines, they are all the same.