Originally posted by Solid+Jul 23 2005, 10:38 PM–>QUOTE(Solid @ Jul 23 2005, 10:38 PM) _> Originally posted by Ivotas@Jul 23 2005, 02:20 PM
**> Originally posted by Solid@Jul 23 2005, 08:18 PM
**Aokiji is an admiral, not vice-admiral, so the Buster Call wouldn't include him or the other two.
[snapback]94833[/snapback]No, theres only one Admiral that is Sengoku.
[snapback]94877[/snapback]**Apperantly Sengoku is Chief Admiral. Aokiji IS an Admiral. Just like the other two.
[snapback]94879[/snapback]**Well, then I guess that the list Oda put up in SBS with marine ranks is wrong.
[snapback]94942[/snapback]I don't know which list you are refering to. I've just taken Stephens scripts and the K-F episodes as reference where they are labeled as what I've just told you._
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im going with solid on this one just cause in our official translation of the SBS it said(and ive also heard from our translator personaly at the Onepiece.se whom i trust over some online translation cause i know that he has years of proffesional experince as a translator and that he reasearched it before making the decision) that Aokiji is a vice-admiral.
and it also makes alot more sense since in the real world the admiral is the supreme commander of the fleet so there can only be one admiral not 4,
and the ones under the admiral would be the vice-admirals followed by the counter-admirals.but i suppose it could just be that we swedes use diffrent rank names from yours or something like that but ah well it really doesnt matter that much.
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Ok then someone please explain me this. It has been said that there's only three guys in the world who have the rank that Aokiji has.
However in the Buster Call fleet there will be five Vice-Admirals. If Aokiji would be a Vice-Admiral this wouldn't make any sense because there would be just three of them in the entire world.
Other then that, Aokiji can't be among the high guys in the Buster Call because he is the one who allows Spandam to use a Buster Call. Last time I checked you're supposed to have a superior rank then those guys on which you can decide how/where/when to be used.
That's why Aokiji is superior to the Buster Call high ranks, which are Vice-Admirals. He can decide their usage. They can't themselves. They just have to follow orders of the guy who called the BC up. -
but Ivotas im not demoting him hes still the guy whos second only to sengoku but im just questioning the the rank name.
and if we go by the swedish translation then there would be 5 counter-admiral who are a part of the buster call not 5 vice admirals.BTW i thought it had only been said that those three are the supreme fighting force of the marine :unsure: not that there are only those three who posses that rank.
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Uh, yeah, only three have the rank of Taishou.
That whole thing can be tricky because of different languages. It may translate to "admiral" in English, but "conter-admiral" or something in another, which would then take it to mean "counter admiral." Did the Swedish edition of voume 38 or chapter 358 get out yet?
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nope it hasnt but the translator visits a swedish forum and we get to ask him questions concerning the future translations and someone asked him about that.
but yeah it may just be a matter of diffrence in our respective languages.
but still it bothers me how there can be 4 admirals of one navy <_<
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I see that you didn't read my last post it's based in the original version and the translation can be made like (at least to english)
Gensui - marshal/(fleet) admiral/general of the army
Taishou - general/admiral/boss
Chuujou - lieutenant general/vice-admiral
Well Ao Kiji is Taishou, Sengoku is Gensui and Garp, komil, Tsuru and John Giant are Chuujou
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yup it may just be a language diffrence,
but in case its not im just wondering did you yourself translate this or did you take it from some site on the internet ?
and how well is it reasearched by whom ever did it ?i just wanna see definte proof of whose wrong even if it turns out its me :lol:
BTW a little off topic but still on i just realised ive reached the rank of SUPA POSUTA-KUN :lol:
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I translated but I also looked on the Kyoto Notre Dame University Dictionary to check if I had translated right and it gaven me the exactly same result
And I think I can trust a Japanese University to be right about this
Probably it's translated differently to other languages
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Thanks for your support Wolfwood.
Im pretty sure that the SBS in volume 7 or 8 has the right marine ranks. -
but still it bothers me how there can be 4 admirals of one navy
Now, I don't know how the Japanese set their naval ranks up, but the US Navy allows for as many admirals as it wants. The rank structure is:
**Ensign
Lieutenant Jr. Grade
Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Commander
Captain
Rear Admiral (lower half)
Rear Admiral (upper half)
Vice Admiral
Admiral
Fleet AdmiralThe rank of Fleet Admiral has been reserved for war time use only. The last Fleet Admirals were in World War II. Fleet Admirals during that war were Chester W. Nimitz, William D. Leahy, Ernest J. King, and William F. Halsey.**
Info from http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ranks/…ers/o-rank.html
From there, you go up to Secretary of the Navy, Secretary of Defense (both cabinet level positions) and the top man is the Commander in Chief, the President of the US. And a quick looksee at the US Navy site showed at least 3 Admirals at present.
How does this compare with how Oda has the OP Marines set up? Dunno. Just thought this was fun to look up. :lol:
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Originally posted by Darkariel@Jul 24 2005, 05:03 PM
**And I think I can trust a Japanese University to be right about thisProbably it's translated differently to other languages
[snapback]95392[/snapback]**thats exactly how i feel about our translator :lol: hes a great translator who has alot of experince and doesnt just textbook translates things he looks into it and reasearches it like when he translated bon clays name he looked up the holiday that he was named after and sought out a swedish equivalent,
but maybe thats just it a diffrence in our languages.
EDIT im just going by how our swedish navy is set up with an admiral at the top who runs thing but i suppose he would rather go with the american system since its more well known,
but then whos the boss of your navy ?
or dont you have someone like that,
and what if there is a decision to be made do the 3 of them have to agree or is it like a vote or something :huh:ah well then ill just admit defeat and blame it on language diffrences
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Originally posted by wolfwood@Jul 24 2005, 12:24 PM
but Ivotas im not demoting him hes still the guy whos second only to sengoku but im just questioning the the rank name.
and if we go by the swedish translation then there would be 5 counter-admiral who are a part of the buster call not 5 vice admirals.Ah ok, I thought you were questioning the rank itself. And as it has been already established by yourself and the others. It appears to be a language specific thing. So there's nothing wrong with that.
One thing is for sure, Aokiji and guys like Garp don't have the same rank. Sengoku doesn't have the same rank as both of them. That much is clear. So why don't we just go with the names that fan translators put probably lots of thoughts and consideration into to fit for the One Piece World?
Chief Admiral (or Grand Admiral like we have him in Germany) would work for that reason the best for Sengoku because it establishes Sengoku's rank to be superior to another superior one (Admiral). The rank that Aokiji himself has seems to be very special. So it makes sense that it is translated as Admiral because that is a very high rank. If he would be Vice-Admiral then you would actually demote guys like Garp to an even more inferior (in context to Admiral) rank then Vice-Admiral.
And as I said, if Aokiji has a superior rank, then his only superior deserves a special rank. So it goes as I said, my opinion is not superior to yours but I think that K-F and Stephen may have put the same considertion into their translations as I did above and I think that these fit the roles the characters play perfectly. That's why I think we should go by them.
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dammit i accidently deleted my post when i was going to edit it <_<
Originally posted by wolfwood@Jul 24 2005, 05:09 PM
**but then whos the boss of your navy ?
or dont you have someone like that,
and what if there is a decision to be made do the 3 of them have to agree or is it like a vote or something :huh:[snapback]95397[/snapback]**
but i was wondering if any one with some knowledge about the american navy could answer this?
cause im really curious. -
oh.. I though Buster Call was 3 Admirals and 2 Vice Admirals going by the names that Ivotas named.. :0
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im not really sure either but as i seem to remember it it should be 5 vice-admirals and 3 admirals but im not sure at all :unsure:
i could be way of since this is something i just vaguly remember
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Is Sengoku the Buddha more powerful than Aokiji?
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_Originally posted by Solid+Jul 24 2005, 05:38 PM–>QUOTE(Solid @ Jul 24 2005, 05:38 PM)oh.. I though Buster Call was 3 Admirals and 2 Vice Admirals going by the names that Ivotas named.. :0
[snapback]95412[/snapback]I thought it was 5 Vice-Admirals and alot of Marines officers and soldiers
@Jul 24 2005, 05:43 PM
Is Sengoku the Buddha more powerful than Aokiji?
[snapback]95418[/snapback]__There's no answer for that yet since Sengoku was only seen at the reunion in Marijoa, but probably he'll be the strongest man of the Marines
And the translations it's definitively different translations for different languages ;)_
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Perhaps the animals on him are a clue to the power of Sengoku the Buddha?
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Originally posted by Darkariel@Jul 24 2005, 11:52 AM
**There's no answer for that yet since Sengoku was only seen at the reunion in Marijoa, but probably he'll be the strongest man of the Marines[snapback]95424[/snapback]**
From hat I've read on the msn groups, they say that Aokiji is the strongest man in the marine core.. i don't know if its worth to trust though…
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The Goat and the Segoul or Albatroz (not sure about the bird)
Maybe the animals have eaten a akuma no mi and have powers of they're own
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Originally posted by Solid+Jul 24 2005, 12:00 PM–>QUOTE(Solid @ Jul 24 2005, 12:00 PM)
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Originally posted by wolfwood@Jul 24 2005, 05:40 PM
im not really sure either but as i seem to remember it it should be 5 vice-admirals and 3 admirals but im not sure at all :unsure:
[snapback]95416[/snapback]I think that there's more then just five Vice-Admirals in the OP marine. If there would be just five then this exact amount would have been mentioned somewhere in the series such as saying that the Shichibukai are 7 or that the Admirals are 3. You know their numbers and wait for them to be revealed. But with the Vice-Admirals it is a different thing. It is treated in the same way as the rank captain (taisa). We know that they are out there, but we don't know how much and it doesn't matter since we surely won't meet everyone of them.
Same goes for the Vice-Admirals. If it would be just five then Robins wording would have been that the Buster Call uses ALL OF THE FIVE Marine HQ Vice-Admirals. And we would have known all their names by now. But since it doesn't appear to be this way I see it that there's more and those in the Buster Call will probably feature a couple of new faces.
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Mybe Komil, Tsuru, Garp and other 2 Vice-Admiral ordered the battleships and they don't have to be in it…
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Tsuru is always with Sengoku, she's Chief Adviser
Garp is in a boat at least when they go get Morgan "Ono Te no Morgan"
Was for Komil he's Base G2 Officer encharge and he seems to been a kind none-destructive type
He even helps Ace
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Originally posted by Ivotas+Jul 25 2005, 08:57 AM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jul 25 2005, 08:57 AM)
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Originally posted by wolfwood@Jul 25 2005, 03:58 PM
actually we were talking about how many marine officers were gonna participate in the buster call not how many of them there are :lol: so sure there could be more but i just said that i thougth it was 5 vice-admirals and the 3 admirals who were on it.
[snapback]95910[/snapback]Oh, that's what happens when I skip some part of the posts (I'm on holidays you know;)).
But do I understant it correctly that you are saying, that additional to 5 Vice-Admirals the Three Admirals will part of the Buster Call itself? -
dont trust me im just guessing
but it would kinda makes sense since its so feared….
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Well that would be like adding three Shichibukai to a fleet of ten marine war ships, 5 Vice-Admirals and lots of marine officers. I think the Buster Call is powerful enough without the Three Admirals themselves.
And just as I said it has aleady been established what the strong part of the Buster Call is. Why should Nico Robin who fears Aokiji so much forget to mention that the WG most powerful dudes are in the BC also?
Other then that the Three Admirals alone are the supreme power of the World Government. I don't really thing that they require any more help from a BC fleet unless they are fighting Whitebeard and Shanks. Then they might even need the Shichibukai to help them.
And the last reason why I doubt that the three admirals are part of Buster Call. Aokiji gave Spandam the authority to use the BC. Now if Spandam uses it, he would actually have command over it and if Aokiji would be part of it, then Spandam would command the dude who actually gave him the authoroty to use the BC. Doesn't make sense. Nor does it make sense that Aokiji could decide on how his equals (the other two admirals) can be used.
Imagine that you and I would have the same rank somewhere. And then I decide how you can be used. That doesn't work. Since you would be my equal I couldn't order you to do what I want. And I seriously doubt that Aokiji gave Spandam the authority to command three of his superiors without even asking what the other two might think. -
hey maybe they arent on it but i dont see whats so scary about 5 vice-admirals and a couple of battle ships,
i had the impression that this was like the most dangerous shit the WG could dish out but without the admirals its just semi serious to meand i dont think Aokiji decided to let Spandam use the buster call it was probably decided by the WG and they said that he should contact Aokiji if he felt a BC was needed.
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I too has that feeling Wolfwood. First it seemed like the worst thing the WG could come up with, kind of, and now it looks like the Strawhats will have to take it down… Damn, it doesn't fit in...
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I acctually think that it is the warships who are feared, not the Vice admirals.. Maybe the warships is somekind of proto type of Pluton..
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Originally posted by wolfwood@Jul 25 2005, 11:35 AM
hey maybe they arent on it but i dont see whats so scary about 5 vice-admirals and a couple of battle ships,
i had the impression that this was like the most dangerous shit the WG could dish out but without the admirals its just semi serious to meWell don't forget that those vice-admirals can be pretty scary guys too. I mean, Ao Kiji owned Luffy, Sanji and Zoro all at the same time. So he was way superior to them. The vice-admirals will not be as strong as him, but that still leaves the option they are stronger than the straw-hats.
Another thing, it hasn't really come up in one piece yet, but the most straight-forward way to defeat the straw-hats would be to just blast their ship to smithereens in a sea battle. I'm sure those battleships can take care of that.
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Originally posted by Solid@Jul 25 2005, 12:16 PM
I acctually think that it is the warships who are feared, not the Vice admirals.. Maybe the warships is somekind of proto type of Pluton..
[snapback]96007[/snapback]I agree. It must have some sort of powerful weapon.
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Originally posted by Octogon+Jul 25 2005, 10:05 PM–>QUOTE(Octogon @ Jul 25 2005, 10:05 PM)
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_Originally posted by wolfwood+Jul 25 2005, 05:35 PM–>QUOTE(wolfwood @ Jul 25 2005, 05:35 PM)and i dont think Aokiji decided to let Spandam use the buster call it was probably decided by the WG and they said that he should contact Aokiji if he felt a BC was needed.
[snapback]95981[/snapback]Well since Sengoku and the three admirals are the only ones who have the RIGHT (which means they've got it theirselves from their superiors = the Gorousei) it means that they have the right to decide how or when it is used best. And if any of them thinks that it is a good idea to give another person the legitimation to use BC then I think they can do it without talking to the WG. The high ranks Sengoku and the three have should actually be prove that the WG trust that those guys know what's right and whats wrong to do.
@Jul 26 2005, 03:52 AM
But then again it might not be and didn't Nico Robin sunk 6 Marine ships, probaly 6 of the Buster Call fleet
[snapback]96585[/snapback]__I said it before and I say it again. If Nico Robin can take 6 out of 10 Buster Calls ship out at the age of 8 years then she should now definitely be able to take all 10 ships out at the age of 28.
Just because the ships she destroyed were around at the same time as the Buster Call did it doesn't mean that they were part of the same fleet. I picture the Buster Call as a special "task force" like fleet that comes when the regular fleets don't function. Just like the SWAT team arrives when the regular police isn't enough to stop the bad guys._
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Originally posted by Ivotas+Jul 26 2005, 08:55 AM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jul 26 2005, 08:55 AM)
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Originally posted by Darkariel@Jul 26 2005, 03:23 PM
**That why it would be interresting if she did sunk 6 Buster Call ships at age 8 now she'll probably will sunk allAnd that would make Nico Robin stop being afraid of the Buster Call because she can now handle them
[snapback]96915[/snapback]**No offensive but this is just silly. The Buster Call is Robin's nightmare. She fears it so much that she would put the whole world on fire only that her friends (who have already beaten guys like Crocodile and Enel) don't fall victims to it. If she could sink the fleet herself then she wouldn't have done all that what she did in this arc so far.
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Originally posted by Ivotas+Jul 26 2005, 07:18 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jul 26 2005, 07:18 PM)
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Well, of course the Straw Hats will sink a Buster Call. I'd be disappointed otherwise. I mean, Oda's not going to introduce us to the idea of a Buster Call and never use it…
Of course, it won't be until after they get their new shiny ship.... mmm, new ship... I can't wait to see what that baby looks like.
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Nico can surely sink all the ships back at the time when she was 8, if those would come after her now. But the ships today is stronger than them, I´m sure about it, and I don´t think she can take care of all the strong guys in BC just because she can sink the ships.
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No one said that she would take care off all the Buster Call guys but some and their ships the others would be easy to defeat
Seing there are Strawhats, Franky Family and some Galley-La members and Yokozuna it wouldn't be that hard
But I think Buster Call will appear after the new strawhats ship is finished and ready to go
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it will b interesting how they respond to the buster call… the amount of marines, the power and the winner! gets more exciting evry week...
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Well during the board´s off time, I took the opportunity to check again some of stephens scrips. (I suggest that everyone does that in a while since his translations appear to be the best thing that you can get when it get´s to manga translations. No offense at Null´s scanslations, but even their most recent scanslations have some glitches and for a story as One Piece a non-coherent translation doesn´t do the manga justice).
Well anyways. Here´s what stephen´s scripts say about the "Demons of Ohara" (chapter 359, page 11):
< <iceburg: things="" that="" hurt="" others<br="">are not always borne of ill will!!!
If the simple pursuit of history will have the effect of destroying the world,
then you ought to die here and now, Nico Robin!!!
You STILL desire to know that much,
even after witnessing the Demons of Ohara?!!< <robin: what="" do="" you="" know="" about="" ohara?!!!<br="">You have no idea how much of my life…
has been ruined by the world government!!!</robin:></iceburg:>Well, now if we go by that translation then the whole situation looks different. Here it doesn´t say anything about something happening to the Demons of Ohara. Just about whitnessing them.
To come to the point. I think that the Buster Call marines are the Demons of Ohara. Think of it. The Buster Call fleet burned an entire Island (maybe Ohara was the islands name). And I don´t think that it is to far off to label people who burnt an entire islands "Demons".
Just a thought but since the Buster Call and the Ohara incident are parts of Nico Robin´s nightmare I don´t see any reasons why the Buster Call fleet and the marines (perhaps Aokiji among them) were the Demons of Ohara. The Demons that burnt down an entire island. Just some new food for thought.
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hmm interesting… so she must of been spectating the event whilst her town was getting munched? i'm going to check out my manga and c...
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Maybe it was somehting like the filler Apis arc Apis was taken by the Marines to guide them to Sennen Ryu
Maybe nico Robin was taken by the Marines to translate the Poneglyphs and because the people in her hometown failed to cooperated with the Marines, they called Buster Call to finish them all and Nico Robin witnessing that, used is power to flee sunking 6 Marine ships in the process
This sonds like a probable theory doesn't it?
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To come to the point. I think that the Buster Call marines are the Demons of Ohara. Think of it. The Buster Call fleet burned an entire Island (maybe Ohara was the islands name). And I don´t think that it is to far off to label people who burnt an entire islands "Demons".
That, is really good thinking (as always) and it fits in with a little idea of my own; that Robins family was some aristocratic group of archeologists, with the ability to read phoneglyphs. The Government deems them too dangerous to live, sends the buster call. The people of Ohara fight back, but are ultimately annihilated.
Robin is the sole survivor, and the WG blames the ships lost in battle on her, in order to justify a 79 million bounty on a girl. So in my idea too, Robin didn't sink the ships.And a private hope, since I too wanne see a CP9 connection, is that the 4 original members are related to the crew/vice admirals of the sunken ships, and as such have personal reasons for securing Robin.
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Maybe nico Robin was taken by the Marines to translate the Poneglyphs and because the people in her hometown failed to cooperated with the Marines, they called Buster Call to finish them all and Nico Robin witnessing that, used is power to flew will sunking 6 Marine ships
This sonds like a probable theory doesn't it?
As long as it wasn´t 6 Buster Call battleships that she sank I have no problems with that theory.
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Well my personaly I think the Ohara clan was anihilated because they wanted to protect something the World Goverment wanted to take away from them. IMO that would be some knowledge (or even plans) for one of the ancient weapons. The use of the Buster Call fleet suggests the the Ohara clan was really powerful and could pose a threat to the World Goverment If they ever tried to ressurect one of those weapons but then we really don't know if the people of Ohara had good or bad intentions. My 2c to this topic.
