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Ganner_Rhysode · 9/2/2008

This contains SPOILER: (Sorry, but I forgot to write it in the topic-explanation)

Hey guys,

I've got a theory about Robins past… This is all based on the information which is contained in the chapter 374...

It's said that Robin's tribe was annihilated by the Buster Call... and we all know that Robin's the sole survivor of the Ohara-accident which happened in the past... Still we don't know what's all about this accident. And we know that Robin has destroyed some ships (I remember that it were 5 ships... Maybe I'm wrong^^)
and was hunted for destroying the marine ships... there she got her bounty.
What's left is that we know, that Ao-Kiji has met Robin before in the past.

Now here's my theory...
The whole operation to destroy (via Buster Call) Robins tribe is called "Ohara-accident" ... Maybe her tribe was called Ohara and the Ohara-devils were the wanted criminalists of the tribe which were hunted by the Buster Call...
So... the slaughter goes on and little Robin uses her DF powers to destroy some marineships which are belonging to the assaultforce "Buster Call"... Ao-Kiji is one of the admirals who is commanding "buster call"and so it fits all together... Ao-Kijis meeting with Robin, the explanation for the ohara accident and the devils, why and when exactly Robin is hunted and when she destroyed these ships ^^

I hope that you'll understand all this messy babblefish-stuff.

what do you think about it?

Kaleidoskop

That could be, but Ao-Kiji (Blauer Fasan in germany) also said that every organisation in which Robin has been, was annihalted. So maybe he knows her cause there was something like the BW before.

WeSTBouND

your idea is pretty good i think

personally my idea is like this

ohara are the race of people robin belongs to, judging by all the archelogist stuff she has said im thinking that the ohara people were infact archelogists and naturally because of that they found out about the ancient lanuage and poneglyphs and all that stuff (i think that the ohara is a race of people cuz when you look at robins face she has a distinct look around her nose… i think thats probably a trait of ohara people)

then something happened, either corrupt people in robins clan or a marine coverup, either way the theme is the same, that since the ohara people knew about the ancient language they tried to resurrect the ancient weapons (or perhaps already resurected one of them, im thinking the pluton cuz there are blueprints of it and it sounds like its already built to me)

so anyways, either the marines got wind of it and wanted to wipe out the ohara people and steal the ancient weapon from them OR the ohara people resurrected the ancient weapon to fight the government, so the "ohara-devil" stuff is either a coverup or its true

so now to the bustercall and aokiji, my guess is that aokiji was the one leading the buster call and they wiped out the ohara people, when it happened somebody made robin escape (prolly her parents) and she ran away and saw her people getting killed so she snapped and used her devil fruit powers to destroy some of the buster call

this would kind of explain why robin is terrified of aokiji when they meet on long ring island, and it would kind of explain why aokiji said "they met in the past and she escaped"

anyways my theory is that the government and marines are really corrupt so they killed the ohara people and stole their research/and or ancient weapon and let robin go as the only sole survivor to use her as a tool to ressurect the other ancient weapons

oh and the final theory i have judging by the poneglyphs and the anicent language type stuff is that the ohara people are based on the egyptians (oda likes to base stuff in his manga off real life things and the egyptian stuff is interesting so it wouldnt suprise me)

joekido the Second

I think the major player of Robin's past could be Luffy's Grandfather, Spandam and Aokiji. I bet the flashback would start from O'hara indinct to her meeting with Crocodile. Let's see how Oda plays it out.

da_pingunator

hmm interesting interesting… westbound u have drawn some interesting conclusions but the marines r trying to get robin to ressurect the pluton, the war machine to end the pirate generation. i'm not sure whether killing her people and family would solve anything, but then again i'm just looking at it from a different perspective...

- NeX -

Originally posted by da_pingunator@Jul 17 2005, 01:55 PM
hmm interesting interesting… westbound u have drawn some interesting conclusions but the marines r trying to get robin to ressurect the pluton, the war machine to end the pirate generation. i'm not sure whether killing her people and family would solve anything, but then again i'm just looking at it from a different perspective...
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i don't think ohara resurrected pluton. they was able to resurrect one weapon, the government asked ohara to resurrect this weapon for them, they didn't accept. they died by buster call… or something like this...
other thing. where in the manga is talked about ohara peoples and these things?

da_pingunator

if i remember i think it was only briefly mentioned in the latest chapter (374). bruno tells them about this ohara incident and we r all trying to figure out wat that was etc. the buster call stuff was also mentioned by bruno but has been explained thruout the last couple of chapters.

- NeX -

Originally posted by da_pingunator@Jul 18 2005, 02:26 AM
if i remember i think it was only briefly mentioned in the latest chapter (374). bruno tells them about this ohara incident and we r all trying to figure out wat that was etc. the buster call stuff was also mentioned by bruno but has been explained thruout the last couple of chapters.
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i hate translations… i didn't understand a thing when i read them!

da_pingunator

hehe thank god i can read the raws after reading the naruto translations cos i couldnt find the raws, i am never reading translated manga again. i wouldnt b able to stand the suspense of reading something i couldnt understand…

Paulie

You know, if every organization she's in has been destroyed…

Maybe the government's done the same thing over and over what they did in the latest chapter; threaten to kill her group if she didn't cooperate. And it's just that this is the only time she cared enough for her team to go along with the government.

- NeX -

Originally posted by Paulie@Jul 18 2005, 09:45 AM
**You know, if every organization she's in has been destroyed…

Maybe the government's done the same thing over and over what they did in the latest chapter; threaten to kill her group if she didn't cooperate. And it's just that this is the only time she cared enough for her team to go along with the government.
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i don't think. baroque was not destroied… and don't reply saying that croc was a god... he wanted the same thing the gov wants...

- NeX -

as wroten on chap 344:
pluton is a war ship
was already constructed (said by ice)
great power that must be matched
blueprint passed down trough generation (i don't think tom wroten the blueprint)
robin alone survived the ohara incident
so young but same devilish mind of the ohara demons (this is a thing to discover)
duty of ice is stop robin

Ivotas

_Originally posted by - NeX -+Jul 18 2005, 12:05 PM–>QUOTE(- NeX - @ Jul 18 2005, 12:05 PM)i don't think. baroque was not destroied... and don't reply saying that croc was a god... he wanted the same thing the gov wants...
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Erm hello? Baroque Works is destroyed. If the boss and all itÂ´s members are either imprisoned or on the run, the company itself gets closed and forbidden by the World Government then it basically is pretty much destroyed. It doesnÂ´t exists anymore.

@Jul 18 2005, 02:11 PM
as wroten on chap 344:
pluton is a war ship
was already constructed (said by ice)
great power that must be matched
blueprint passed down trough generation (i don't think tom wroten the blueprint)
robin alone survived the ohara incident
so young but same devilish mind of the ohara demons (this is a thing to discover)
duty of ice is stop robin
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_The scanslation is not coherent. Check stephens scripts on it if you want the real deal. ThereÂ´s not a mention about any existing Ancient Weapon.

Furthermore the interpretation about this "blueprints passed on from one generation to the next" seems to be mutating lately. Just because weÂ´re talking about "generations" here it doesnÂ´t mean that this thing has to go on since ancient times. If Tom gives it to Iceburg then it is 1st to 2nd generation. If Iceburg would have given Paulie the real blueprints then it would have been from the 2nd to the 3rd generation.
Just wanted to clear that up because lately it already appeared in other discussions that this whole generation stuff went that way that it is definitely a thing that goes on since countless generations._

- NeX -

_Originally posted by Ivotas+Jul 18 2005, 02:38 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jul 18 2005, 02:38 PM)

Originally posted by - NeX -@Jul 18 2005, 12:05 PM
i don't think. baroque was not destroied… and don't reply saying that croc was a god... he wanted the same thing the gov wants...
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Erm hello? Baroque Works is destroyed. If the boss and all itÂ´s members are either imprisoned or on the run, the company itself gets closed and forbidden by the World Government then it basically is pretty much destroyed. It doesnÂ´t exists anymore.

@Jul 18 2005, 02:11 PM
as wroten on chap 344:
pluton is a war ship
was already constructed (said by ice)
great power that must be matched
blueprint passed down trough generation (i don't think tom wroten the blueprint)
robin alone survived the ohara incident
so young but same devilish mind of the ohara demons (this is a thing to discover)
duty of ice is stop robin
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_The scanslation is not coherent. Check stephens scripts on it if you want the real deal. ThereÂ´s not a mention about any existing Ancient Weapon.

Furthermore the interpretation about this "blueprints passed on from one generation to the next" seems to be mutating lately. Just because weÂ´re talking about "generations" here it doesnÂ´t mean that this thing has to go on since ancient times. If Tom gives it to Iceburg then it is 1st to 2nd generation. If Iceburg would have given Paulie the real blueprints then it would have been from the 2nd to the 3rd generation.
Just wanted to clear that up because lately it already appeared in other discussions that this whole generation stuff went that way that it is definitely a thing that goes on since countless generations.
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ok i'll check
anyway i mean that baroque was not destroied by WG…_

Paulie

Baroqueworks was a VERY secretive organization. They might not have even known Robin was in it. Seriously, it was much more secretive than any other organization Robin might have been in. I don't think it changes my theory at all.

- NeX -

Originally posted by Paulie@Jul 18 2005, 09:23 PM
Baroqueworks was a VERY secretive organization. They might not have even known Robin was in it. Seriously, it was much more secretive than any other organization Robin might have been in. I don't think it changes my theory at all.
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u think? 4 the miss all sunday thing?

Paulie

Miss All Sunday (AKA Robin) acted as Crocodile's messenger for the big agents…. but do you honestly think even the lower agents, let alone anybody much lower in the organization or anybody outside the organization, knew she was there?

Ivotas

Originally posted by Paulie@Jul 18 2005, 09:37 PM
Miss All Sunday (AKA Robin) acted as Crocodile's messenger for the big agents…. but do you honestly think even the lower agents, let alone anybody much lower in the organization or anybody outside the organization, knew she was there?
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I agree that probably nobody knew about her. Smoker seemed pretty surprised once he found out that she was CrocodileÂ´s partner.

Besides she was on the run from the WG her entire life. If the WG would have known that she was in BW, they would have already became suspicious about this company itself for harbouring such a great threat among their ranks, not to mention that Nico Robin pretty much should be able to avoid being found by the World Government.

- NeX -

Originally posted by Ivotas+Jul 18 2005, 11:12 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jul 18 2005, 11:12 PM)

I guess that we will also see chibi-CP9's in Robin's flashback. Hopefully.

da_pingunator

i think nico robin in baroque works wasnt really known other than her codename which is ms all sunday. man yof the higher agents didnt even meet each other so had no cue who was who. robin being the highest, i highly doubt neone would know her.

Ivotas

Originally posted by Bubut@Jul 19 2005, 11:47 AM
I guess that we will also see chibi-CP9's in Robin's flashback. Hopefully.
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Why should we? It appears that CP9 was specially created by Spandam who wasnÂ´t able to obtain the blueprints for Pluton 12 (or was it years ago.

RobinÂ´s flashback on the other hand will probably be from 20 years ago judging that she is 28 now and that the tragedy in her life happened while she was 8 years old. Her tragic past happens long before any CP9 was needed.

da_pingunator

yeh i agree with ivotas. robin didnt have a very long relationship with the cp9, it was only created by gay ass spandam. we all know that the ohara incident happeed when she was a child and also know that she has worked for many organizations and backstabbed them. it is a mystery to c how oda will represnt it to us

What I think is that the chibi-cp9s will show up but I didn't say that they met Robin when they're kids. It's something like they're shown that they were starting to be trained by the government as human weapons.

In the previous chapter(374), the door guy seems to know some facts about Robin's past. They might heard of it(most probably) or seen it.

I don't think that CP9 was created by Spandam. When she first heard of CP9, she got surprised. Does it mean he was also involved with Spandam before?

For my AoKiji guesses…I think he should be beaten now. This is to take off Robin's fear.
Like Nami's, she only became a true member when the Luffy's gang defeated the Arlong Gang. That's just me being an I-want-Aokiji-to-show-up hopeful. I still believe he's the main boss of this arc.

- NeX -

Originally posted by Bubut@Jul 19 2005, 04:29 PM
**What I think is that the chibi-cp9s will show up but I didn't say that they met Robin when they're kids. It's something like they're shown that they were starting to be trained by the government as human weapons.

In the previous chapter(374), the door guy seems to know some facts about Robin's past. They might heard of it(most probably) or seen it.

I don't think that CP9 was created by Spandam. When she first heard of CP9, she got surprised. Does it mean he was also involved with Spandam before?

For my AoKiji guesses…I think he should be beaten now. This is to take off Robin's fear.
Like Nami's, she only became a true member when the Luffy's gang defeated the Arlong Gang. That's just me being an I-want-Aokiji-to-show-up hopeful. I still believe he's the main boss of this arc.
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nobody of strawhats can fight with him and we seen it. only ace can…

Ivotas

Originally posted by - NeX -@Jul 19 2005, 06:44 PM
nobody of strawhats can fight with him and we seen it. only ace can…
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In their first fight Luffy couldnÂ´t beat Crocodile either. So your point is…?

- NeX -

yes but that was different… even with the blood luffy cant beat him!
is rubber vs ice not rubber vs sand...
sand can be solid in 2 ways showed in the manga...
ice can only be warmed!
when rubber is frost the only things u can do is or shatter it or warm up...
maybe that u can take it to normal temperature in the water but is a very loong process and i don't think aokiji will wait

Trust me! Luffy could beat Aokiji.

We just don't know how.

Ivotas

Originally posted by - NeX -@Jul 20 2005, 04:56 AM
yes but that was different… even with the blood luffy cant beat him!
is rubber vs ice not rubber vs sand...
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Seriously think before you post. It wasnÂ´t rubber vs sand, but rubber with water, later with blood against sand. The liquid was what neutralized Sir CrocodileÂ´s DF power.
With Aokiji Luffy just needs to find something that neutralizes his DF powers and then itÂ´s basically the same thing as in the fight with Crocodile.

- NeX -

i don't think that luffy will burn himself only to beat aokiji. luffy can't beat him!
and if u wanna we can bet!

Ivotas

First of all Luffy is that a determined fighter that I could even picture that he would put his own fists on fire just to defeat Aokiji if it must be done.

Secondly he doesnÂ´t even have to burn his own flesh. If he puts gloves (or whatsoever on) that are on fire but protect himself from being burned it could be done too.

And third it doesnÂ´t have to be necessarily fire. Salt can also used to melt ice.

- NeX -

damn i forgot SALT….......
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

eddym345

Originally posted by Ivotas@Jul 20 2005, 07:35 AM
**First of all Luffy is that a determined fighter that I could even picture that he would put his own fists on fire just to defeat Aokiji if it must be done.

Secondly he doesnÂ´t even have to burn his own flesh. If he puts gloves (or whatsoever on) that are on fire but protect himself from being burned it could be done too.

And third it doesnÂ´t have to be necessarily fire. Salt can also used to melt ice.
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It could be like the fight in movie 4 where sanji gave luffy two sac of flour to beat general Gasparde.

- NeX -

not seen :_D

I really enjoy that theory thing that was being discussed b4…

But where does Iceburg features? I really didnt get... he seems to know her and her past... maybe he is related to her?

I dont think Croc knew her on the time of the incident.... if u remember, in some endings, she is alone and seems to be very sad, envious of other children.

I cant remember, was it explained how Nico can read Poneglyphs? And why is she so interested in the Ancient History?

PS: I thought I had seen an old post about how Lueffy would beat AoKiji...

Paulie

Iceburg knew about Robin from a conversation with Tom. This has already been shown.

wintergt

If Luffy gets to fight Ao Kiji some day, somehow I doubt he'll use a trick like salt or fire to beat him. That would make it a recap of the fight vs Crocodile. In movie 4 with the flour-thing, that was already pretty lame. Oda is way too creative for that. I wouldn't know how to tackle iceman otherwise, but maybe he'll have acquired a seastone by then (like Smoker who carries it around in the tip of his staff). Boxing gloves with seastone attached to the outside or something, to go with the afro

Ivotas

Originally posted by jackvance@Jul 21 2005, 12:06 AM
If Luffy gets to fight Ao Kiji some day, somehow I doubt he'll use a trick like salt or fire to beat him. That would make it a recap of the fight vs Crocodile. In movie 4 with the flour-thing, that was already pretty lame. Oda is way too creative for that. I wouldn't know how to tackle iceman otherwise, but maybe he'll have acquired a seastone by then (like Smoker who carries it around in the tip of his staff). Boxing gloves with seastone attached to the outside or something, to go with the afro
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Well while I agree that salt would be a recap of the Crocodile fight I donÂ´t see fire as a recap at all. If he would use fire gloves yes, but if he would his own fist on fire somehow then it would be a whole new level of going over the limits.
Other than that LuffyÂ´s fight with Enel was in one point the same as with Crocodile and thatÂ´s that Luffy used EnelÂ´s weakness against him. True to beat Crocodile he needed additional elements while against Enel his body himself was enough. But both have in common that Luffy used their weaknesses against them.
So if he would use the fire or salt trick it wouldnÂ´t be the second but the third time that he does it. And with the whole Enel/Crocodile thing IÂ´ve just explained how different two things of the same nature can be written.

PS: Boxing gloves with seastone attached outside would be unfair. Seastone wouldnÂ´t just prevent Aokiji from using his abilities it would actually even make him lose all his strenght. This would be a boring fight IMO.

Paulie

But I could see a funny bit where Luffy goes to wipe away soem blood with the back of his head… and gets affected by the sea stone himself.... hehehe.

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mah… i don't think luffy will enjoy using boxing gloves...
instead i prefer thinking that he'll increase his punching speed to extreme and his fist start to burn for the speed...

Ivotas

Originally posted by Paulie@Jul 21 2005, 02:04 AM
But I could see a funny bit where Luffy goes to wipe away soem blood with the back of his head… and gets affected by the sea stone himself.... hehehe.
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Lol, youÂ´re right. That would definitely fit with LuffyÂ´s style. :lol:

joekido the Second

Or if he licked a salt off.

da_pingunator

if luffy does fight aokiji he will have to know wat aokiji's weakness is from the start. unlike kurokodile, luffy will get frozen and depending on whether aokiji depends to let him live again or not, this will b decided. we're lucky that luffy already got a first chance to live with him but the 2nd time, he may not b so lucky…

eddym345

Originally posted by da_pingunator@Jul 21 2005, 03:37 AM
if luffy does fight aokiji he will have to know wat aokiji's weakness is from the start. unlike kurokodile, luffy will get frozen and depending on whether aokiji depends to let him live again or not, this will b decided. we're lucky that luffy already got a first chance to live with him but the 2nd time, he may not b so lucky…
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I think that Aokiji is far to strong for luffy. wasn't him who caught Gol D. who we all think is luffy granfather ?

da_pingunator

Originally posted by eddym345+Jul 21 2005, 07:40 PM–>QUOTE(eddym345 @ Jul 21 2005, 07:40 PM)

No, It wasn't Aokiji that caught Goldy.It wasn't said in the manga either.

Phlemingo

Ao Kiji is the strongest fighter from the marines, iirc. He should be the second strongest character in the anime… the strongest being Whitebeard.

It's kinda like Mihawk, they let him out to wail on one of the main antagonists to show his might and how far they will have to go to achieve their dreams. Same goes for Ao Kiji. Without a doubt, there'll be a showdown. However, it will probably be much much longer still.

Paulie

Is it ever said he's the strongest? I know he's one of the top three ranked, but rank doesn't always correlate to skill, and there are two more of his rank anyway…

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Originally posted by Paulie@Jul 21 2005, 12:34 PM
Is it ever said he's the strongest? I know he's one of the top three ranked, but rank doesn't always correlate to skill, and there are two more of his rank anyway…
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anyway bubut when aokiji said that have done things with luffy's grandfather i thought the same thing (because i think that roger had gom gom fruit too)

da_pingunator

Originally posted by Phlemingo@Jul 21 2005, 09:54 PM
**Ao Kiji is the strongest fighter from the marines, iirc. He should be the second strongest character in the anime… the strongest being Whitebeard.

It's kinda like Mihawk, they let him out to wail on one of the main antagonists to show his might and how far they will have to go to achieve their dreams. Same goes for Ao Kiji. Without a doubt, there'll be a showdown. However, it will probably be much much longer still.
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after seeing lucci im not too sure whether he really is the strongest…. like lucci sez if u train "zoonkei" (animal type df) it can b the strongest... i mean if lucci knows aokiji's power and can find his weakness i dunno who would win.... but i can tell u that it wont be an easy fight