Because he's funny in his interactions with the Strawhats (well, not only) and has an interesting design. And he's a filthy bastard with the most disgusting logia
Hey Castelmore, the huge hate you have from some people hasn't really infected me yet, which is a little strange. But unless you want that to change defending Caribou fandom is the last thing to start on.
@JERK:
Hey Castelmore, the huge hate you have from some people hasn't really infected me yet, which is a little strange. But unless you want that to change defending Caribou fandom is the last thing to start on.
Who said I'm defending the Caribou fandom ? And who cares if people like him ? It's not like saying he's gonna join the crew. I actually can believe people can like any char in One Piece. (Except, Conis, of course)
For me, if people can like Blackbeard or Akainu, then it's the same for Caribou. Yet I prefer Blackbeard.
Oh wait, it's THIS thread ? Maybe I'll have to start watching where I post before I post…
People who aren't moronic authority fetish creeps like Lordzeb like Akainu and Blackbeard precisely because they're villains. I actually like both of them as villains.
Akainu is a fantastic villain in his frightening zealousness and ferocity. What a foe! The battle against him will be amazing no doubt.
And Blackbeard is cool because he's like an evil version of Luffy in some ways, which makes him interesting.
But the Caribou fandom for no goddamn reason keeps idiotically trying to pass him as a fun cool dude who could be an ally. These people are hopeless, don't defend anything about them.
@JERK:
No he won't you goddamn idiot.
Well he wouldin't be on the level of Mr.2, in the friendship department. He would be more of an anti hero. Kinda like Kid.
Kid is actually the perfect example… He allied himself with Luffy, but it is clear that he is, and will be a villain. Caribou could work the same way momentarily allying himself with the Strawhats. I find this idea very plausible.
I know it's pure speculation, so that makes me an "idiot" but you saying he won't ally himself with the Strawhats is also pure speculation... So what does that make you? Call me an idiot when I'm wrong and your right
The only interactions he's had so far are him begging for his life and getting kicked in the face by Sanji, any mook can do that. What really perplexes me is the fact that not only does the dude have permanent rape face, he is currently on a slaving spree!
Remember when he was in the barrol and Franky popped up behind him? I think that is the situation Castelmore is talking about.
Don't get me wrong, I don't really like Caribou, or care if he does become allies with the Strawhats, I just think it's a situation that is likely to happen.
Until Sanji realizes he stole mermaids and kicks his ass…
Well he wouldin't be on the level of Mr.2, in the friendship department. He would be more of an anti hero. Kinda like Kid.
No he absolutely goddamn won't. Kidd is harsh but he's not slime. Caribou is fucking slime.
I can't even understand why you idiots managed to gain the bias possible for this level of cognitive dissonance over this minor turd of a character.
Kid is actually the perfect example…
He's awful, horrible, unspeakable, as an example.
He allied himself with Luffy, but it is clear that he is, and will be a villain. Caribou could work the same way momentarily allying himself with the Strawhats. I find this idea very plausible.
No it isn't. What makes Kidd a villain. What. Name one thing. The civilian killing was even revealed to be the result of people laughing at his dreams rather then some random massacres.
He's really vicious, but that doesn't make him anything like a little sneaky Nezumi like slime like Caribou who is currently busy kidnapping mermaids for purposes of slavery.
I know it's pure speculation, so that makes me an "idiot" but you saying he won't ally himself with the Strawhats is also pure speculation…
It's well founded speculation. don't even start comparing this shit.
So what does that make you? Call me an idiot when I'm wrong and your right
Alright.
You're an idiot.
Remember when he was in the barrol and Franky popped up behind him? I think that is the situation Castelmore is talking about.
There is absolutely nothing special about that scene.
@JERK:
No he absolutely goddamn won't. Kidd is harsh but he's not slime. Caribou is fucking slime. I can't even understand why you idiots managed to gain the bias possible for this level of cognitive dissonance over this minor turd of a character.
That is an opinion. I agree with you, but that is hardly an argument. We have seen weirder things in One Piece. Just because you may not like a certain character does not mean it won't happen. It is plausible, and saying simply "Not gonna happen" does not mean you are right, or that we are idiots.
@JERK:
He's awful, horrible, unspeakable, as an example.
Mind explaining why you think that? Kid's situation, compared to what I think will happen with Caribou is very similar. Therefore a perfect example.
@JERK:
No it isn't. What makes Kidd a villain. What. Name one thing. The civilian killing was even revealed to be the result of people laughing at his dreams rather then some random massacres. He's really vicious, but that doesn't make him anything like a little sneaky Nezumi like slime like Caribou who is currently busy kidnapping mermaids for purposes of slavery.
He killed random people for no reason… What has Caribou done that is more villainous? He also (apparently) killed random people. But the person we did see killed (Drip) was killed due to tricking Caribou and making him look like a fool.
The reason he killed him is not as noble, as Kid's but is none the less exceptional.
@JERK:
It's well founded speculation. don't even start comparing this shit.
…
How is it well founded? "CARIBOU IS SCUM! There fore he won't do anything I say he won't"
Literally your arguments.. At least mine has some kind of information backing it up.
@JERK:
Alright.
You're an idiot.
Yea I saw that coming :getlost:
Again call me an idiot all you want when you prove me wrong
@JERK:
There is absolutely nothing special about that scene.
Special = Unique. Clearly sense this scene was never used in anything ever before, it makes it special. It's also a really funny scene ^.^
We should probably talk about this when more information is given. Otherwise it's just a waste of time because neither of us are right or wrong
(also JD did you know you have your own Wiki page? It is very funny 
)
Caribou is the first Logia fodder. I want to see Sanji incinerate his ego.
anyone who in anyway supports caribou even being a friend of the SH'S at the end of this arc, or continuing to appear in other arcs like croc moria and others will is completely and utterly helpless in understanding how oda writes his stories and portrays his characters and is a waste of time to even debate with because the stupidity that lead them to this abomination of an assumption clearly will reprimand them incapable of understanding the logic you present to them
just put them on your ignore list
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anyone who in anyway supports caribou even being a friend of the SH'S at the end of this arc, or continuing to appear in other arcs like croc moria and others will is completely and utterly helpless in understanding how oda writes his stories and portrays his characters and is a waste of time to even debate with because the stupidity that lead them to this abomination of an assumption clearly will reprimand them incapable of understanding the logic you present to them
just put them on your ignore list
If anyone can give a good reason saying why he never will, I'll listen, and admit I'm wrong.
But much like Jerk Disease, you have no valid points as to why you don't think Caribou and the Strawhats could team up momentarily. All you have is a pile of insults, and in any situation, those are useless.
No one can understand how Oda writes. If it was easily predicable, no one would read it because it would be boring.
Normally I can and maybe agree with you, but no one has pointed any good logic to prove to me, why I am wrong.
So once ANYONE can do that, I'll stop my silly arguments. Until then, you can all keep shitting your pants over nothing
Sabo you and Agog are the most clever and profound members on these forums, ignore everyone who says otherwise.
Ugh… I never wanted to be like AGOG but if I have to that's fine. It's fun arguing with people who can't think of a single reason to back up what they say.
Unlike AGOG, he was debating against people with a good reason for why he was wrong. Me? Well I have yet to hear ONE good reason why I will be wrong.
Even Kidd believed that slavery was a horrible and hypocritical thing of the WG to allow, even to pirates. Caribou doesn't think twice about enslaving innocent mermaids. Kidd isn't exactly the upstanding moral man, but he's far above Caribou. Kidd is a horrible example to use.
That is an opinion. I agree with you, but that is hardly an argument. We have seen weirder things in One Piece.
To illustrate how fucking vapid and retarded that last sentence is, it would literally get you banned from the crewmate thread. And you even had the fucking nerve to precede it with saying something I said wasn't an argument.
Just because you may not like a certain character does not mean it won't happen. It is plausible,
IT IS NOT PLAUSIBLE.
and saying simply "Not gonna happen" does not mean you are right, or that we are idiots.
That's not all I said you illiterate goon. And don't even fucking start on simply stating things. You have literally nothing with you to suggest a single reason to remotely think of this character as ally material.
Mind explaining why you think that? Kid's situation, compared to what I think will happen with Caribou is very similar. Therefore a perfect example.
They're nothing the fuck alike. I have no idea why you think they're similar.
Kidd is obviously a rival character. How is this comparable to a sneaky little shit like Caribou.
He killed random people for no reason…
He killed people in what sounded like a bar argument.
It's obvious Oda was intending a bit of parallel to Luffy's experience on Jaya.
Just put Kidd in that same situation where a whole bar of people laugh at Kidd for asking something about One Piece. Except instead of doing nothing, Kidd slaughters them. He even talked about how his whole Grand Line route was like Jaya. Which explains why his kill rate must be very high.
Nothing has EVER suggested Kidd just runs around killing old ladies in their beds or whatever you gleamed from "he kills civilians".
What has Caribou done that is more villainous?
His very nature is obscenely Spandamish. A cruel coward. Which is one of the lowest things in One Piece. Look at how Oda treats these types. Nezumi, Spandam, Fullbody to some extent.
Oh also slavery.
The reason he killed him is not as noble, as Kid's but is none the less exceptional.
loll "durr let mr brush aside principle of action in a series completely obsessed with ideals like One Piece".
It never fails, the people who suggest implausible bullshit are always hilariously clueless about the very character of One Piece.
How is it well founded? "CARIBOU IS SCUM! There fore he won't do anything I say he won't"
That's how hilariously simple this scenario is. It's the basic plausibility factor that every way Oda has depicted this guy = no reason to think of him as anything fucking else. And Oda has depicted him as slime.
Everything you idiots have rolled out has complicated this simplicity with fabricated bullshit, and honestly the only real reasons you've given have been (also bullshit) comparisons. Not anything actually given to us at the moment.
Yea I saw that coming :getlost:
That would be a first.
Again call me an idiot all you want when you prove me wrong
Do I come off to you as someone who pointlessly waits around?
Special = Unique. Clearly sense this scene was never used in anything ever before, it makes it special. It's also a really funny scene ^.^
What the fuck do you mean it's never been used before? It's a generic instance of "guy gets caught from behind by someone" what the hell do you imbeciles see in it?
Let's not even fucking start on how that even begins to translate to Oda planning anything for the character involved. It's beyond stupid.
OH WOW LOL, ODA HAD A GUY THINKING NO ONE WAS BEHIND HIM, BUT THERE WAS!!!!!!! WHOOOAAAAA
We should probably talk about this when more information is given.
You should probably never talk about any of this unless you have information to think it in the first place.
Otherwise it's just a waste of time because neither of us are right or wrong
I'm right.
(also JD did you know you have your own Wiki page? It is very funny
On the Arlong Park wiki, wow, big whoop, so do a bunch of people.
I had one on the old ODB one awhile ago.
Always felt the strawhats lacked a good grave digger with some experience. Now when you bury people alive you want it done professionaly.
guyz, pirate crews need people to dig holes for treasure chests!! i read about it once
so obviously the strawhsts will have one, and we saw cribou order a hole dug, he knows about holes! new crew mate
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Even Kidd believed that slavery was a horrible and hypocritical thing of the WG to allow, even to pirates. Caribou doesn't think twice about enslaving innocent mermaids. Kidd isn't exactly the upstanding moral man, but he's far above Caribou. Kidd is a horrible example to use.
Finally a argument.
Ok I was not aware he felt that way (goes back to read past Manga).
Ah so he did indeed. Well then I guess it is a bad example. Both are sinister, but I will now agree Caribou is more sinister.
Always felt the strawhats lacked a good grave digger with some experience. Now when you bury people alive you want it done professionaly.
Although I like the sound of a grave digger (mostly cause it's cool) I doubt it will happen. It seems very useless compared to everyone else on the crew.
@JERK:
To illustrate how fucking vapid and retarded that last sentence is, it would literally get you banned from the crewmate thread. And you even had the fucking nerve to precede it with saying something I said wasn't an argument.
It was not an argument.
and it is true. We have seen weirder and more un-predictable things in One Piece.
@JERK:
IT IS NOT PLAUSIBLE.
See below. That is proof it is plausible
@JERK:
That's not all I said you illiterate goon. And don't even fucking start on simply stating things. You have literally nothing with you to suggest a single reason to remotely think of this character as ally material.
I actually do… He wanted to act all goody-goody with the Strawhats so he could eventually kill them.
In order to achieve this goal, perhaps he will act as a ally until he can kill him.
@JERK:
They're nothing the fuck alike. I have no idea why you think they're similar.
Kidd is obviously a rival character. How is this comparable to a sneaky little shit like Caribou
Fair point. I just think both being villainous (rivals can be a form of that) make them a good example for comparison. Nothing less nothing more.
@JERK:
He killed people in what sounded like a bar argument.
It's obvious Oda was intending a bit of parallel to Luffy's experience on Jaya.
Just put Kidd in that same situation where a whole bar of people laugh at Kidd for asking something about One Piece. Except instead of doing nothing, Kidd slaughters them. He even talked about how his whole Grand Line route was like Jaya. Which explains why his kill rate must be very high.
Nothing has EVER suggested Kidd just runs around killing old ladies in their beds or whatever you gleamed from "he kills civilians".
This was taken from One Piece wiki, so it is only somewhat reliable…
"Eustass Kid is notorious for causing huge amounts of civilian casualties"
"When he feels that he's been insulted, he is quick to resort to violence, attacking Scratchmen Apoo apparently for staring at him."
:whistling:
@JERK:
His very nature is obscenely Spandamish. A cruel coward. Which is one of the lowest things in One Piece. Look at how Oda treats these types. Nezumi, Spandam, Fullbody to some extent.
Oh also slavery.
Very true.
@JERK:
loll "durr let mr brush aside principle of action in a series completely obsessed with ideals like One Piece".
There does not need an to be a reason why people do the things they do (Ex. Arlong taking over a random village, for hardly a reason), but giving a reason just makes my points more valid.
@JERK:
It never fails, the people who suggest implausible bullshit are always hilariously clueless about the very character of One Piece.
It's a prediction. Everyone has thought something about One Piece that was silly or turned out to be wrong.
Therefore the only person who can understand the "character" of One Piece, is Oda himself. It's an unpredictable manga.
@JERK:
That's how hilariously simple this scenario is. It's the basic plausibility factor that every way Oda has depicted this guy = no reason to think of him as anything fucking else. And Oda has depicted him as slime.
True
@JERK:
Everything you idiots have rolled out has complicated this simplicity with fabricated bullshit, and honestly the only real reasons you've given have been (also bullshit) comparisons. Not anything actually given to us at the moment.
No matter the the stupidity of my comparisons (which I agree looking back were not very good), you still cannot simply deny the idea that Caribou could help out the Strawhats. After all it could be part of his master plan to kill them.
Acting like a nice guy, until he can slaughter them 1 by 1 sounds plausible am I right? This time I 100% am because that was his original idea…
@JERK:
Do I come off to you as someone who pointlessly waits around?
If I recall when I was lurking you argued with AGOG a lot… So yes you do. Generally speaking most frequent forum goers don't mind waiting to prove they are right. I can tell you are no different.
@JERK:
What the fuck do you mean it's never been used before? It's a generic instance of "guy gets caught from behind by someone" what the hell do you imbeciles see in it?
I was just being a smartass.
Never before has a character named Caribou who, been trapped in a barrel and a cyborg named Franky comes up from behind. Technically it's unique. Don't try and take me so seriously.
@JERK:
Let's not even fucking start on how that even begins to translate to Oda planning anything for the character involved. It's beyond stupid.
… Actually I never said that was a reason as to why he could become allies with the Strawhats. Sooooo... yea....
@JERK:
OH WOW LOL, ODA HAD A GUY THINKING NO ONE WAS BEHIND HIM, BUT THERE WAS!!!!!!! WHOOOAAAAA
:wassat: and it was funny…
@JERK:
You should probably never talk about any of this unless you have information to think it in the first place.
Fair enough. It was mostly a gut feeling, with a few points as to why it could happen.
@JERK:
I'm right.
Your not… Neither am I T.T
@JERK:
On the Arlong Park wiki, wow, big whoop, so do a bunch of people.
I had one on the old ODB one awhile ago.
Yes but is it as funny?
Read This Part if you don't care for long boring arguments
So… To skip to the best idea as to why Caribou may act as an ally, he wants to gain their trust in order to get close to them to kill them. He has already stated this plan, and tried it out. Who's to say he won't try it again?
@JERK:
guyz, pirate crews need people to dig holes for treasure chests!! i read about it once
so obviously the strawhsts will have one, and we saw cribou order a hole dug, he knows about holes! new crew mate
NO ZEPHOS!!! Don't succumb to there level even as a joke! you don't deserve this don't do it to yourself, like I said they'll never see your logic no matter what, it's sad but true no matter how much effort you put in it will all be in vain, even after they see it didn't happen, after the arc they'll still say it was plausible there idiots nincompoops don't do it
Although I like the sound of a grave digger (mostly cause it's cool) I doubt it will happen. It seems very useless compared to everyone else on the crew.
Nah what are you talking about. What else are they gonna do about all those people the strawhats kill.
Can't get rid of that rotten corpse stank once it settles on the ship.
Oda introduced Caribou purely for the sake of being haki fodder. I don't know why anybody would think otherwise.
Remember when he was in the barrol and Franky popped up behind him? I think that is the situation Castelmore is talking about.
Don't get me wrong, I don't really like Caribou, or care if he does become allies with the Strawhats, I just think it's a situation that is likely to happen.
Until Sanji realizes he stole mermaids and kicks his ass…
You know just because a side character interacts with the crew in a way that isn't like an 1980's JRPG NPC doesn't mean that Oda plans on making them a permanent cast member.
Oh yeah also that issue of him going on a SLAVING SPREE!
You know just because a side character interacts with the crew in a way that isn't like an 1980's JRPG NPC doesn't mean that Oda plans on making them a permanent cast member.
I never once said he would be a permanent cast member.. Just a temporary ally.
If anyone thought I meant he would be a crew member, you are mistaken.
Nah what are you talking about. What else are they gonna do about all those people the strawhats kill.
Can't get rid of that rotten corpse stank once it settles on the ship.
Has anyone on the Strawhats besides Zoro killed anyone?
Just a question..
I never once said he would be a permanent cast member.. Just a temporary ally.
If anyone thought I meant he would be a crew member, you are mistaken.
Than stop defending his fandom!
Has anyone on the Strawhats besides Zoro killed anyone?
Just a question..
I'm pretty sure that Robin has killed someone by now.
Than stop defending his fandom!
As apposed to if I thought he would be a member? What you just said implies that it is ok to defend him if I thought he would be a crew member (in which case, I would stop reading One Piece. Honestly).
But really it should be the other way around. I should not defend my ideas if I thought he would be a crew member, because that right there is pure stupidity. But if it's something as likely as him allying himself with the Strawhats (something he already planned to do) then I should leave it well alone?
Sorry but that makes practically no sense. Not to be rude, but I've seen you post like this before. Is English your first language?
Again not to be rude. Just a question.
@JERK:
guyz, pirate crews need people to dig holes for treasure chests!! i read about it once
so obviously the strawhsts will have one, and we saw cribou order a hole dug, he knows about holes! new crew mate
I know this is only somewhat directed at me, but this post made me believe you might think, that I want Caribou to be a crewmember.
I don't think that at all. Just in case you were mistaken… You seem like a smart guy, so I doubt you were, but it's just in case
"When he feels that he's been insulted, he is quick to resort to violence, attacking Scratchmen Apoo apparently for staring at him."
That was only in the anime. If I remember correctly, Apoo actually flicked Kidd off before Kidd decided to attack him in the manga.
That was only in the anime. If I remember correctly, Apoo actually flicked Kidd off before Kidd decided to attack him in the manga.
No Law flipped him off and Kidd did nothing.
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@JERK:
People who aren't moronic authority fetish creeps like Lordzeb like Akainu and Blackbeard precisely because they're villains. I actually like both of them as villains.
Akainu is a fantastic villain in his frightening zealousness and ferocity. What a foe! The battle against him will be amazing no doubt.
And Blackbeard is cool because he's like an evil version of Luffy in some ways, which makes him interesting.
But the Caribou fandom for no goddamn reason keeps idiotically trying to pass him as a fun cool dude who could be an ally. These people are hopeless, don't defend anything about them.
omg you remember me :wub:
lol for someone who hates fascism you sure love throwing your weight around
It was not an argument.
What wasn't.
and it is true. We have seen weirder and more un-predictable things in One Piece.
THAT IS NOT A FUCKING ARGUEMENT.
And just to show you how nice I am, I won't even try to get Robby to bring his hammer down on your soft little head over this.
See below. That is proof it is plausible
I actually do… He wanted to act all goody-goody with the Strawhats so he could eventually kill them.
In order to achieve this goal, perhaps he will act as a ally until he can kill him.
So….
You aren't even fucking saying he's going to become an ally. You're saying he's a villain that will backstab them.
I really fucking hope that's what you're saying. But I have every reason to think you're dumb enough to not get this.
Fair point. I just think both being villainous (rivals can be a form of that) make them a good example for comparison. Nothing less nothing more.
So you're literally saying that "being a villain" is grounds to compare two characters for any reason.
You are dumb as a fucking stump.
And that's ignoring that Kidd isn't even a fucking villain.
This was taken from One Piece wiki, so it is only somewhat reliable…
"Eustass Kid is notorious for causing huge amounts of civilian casualties"
"When he feels that he's been insulted, he is quick to resort to violence, attacking Scratchmen Apoo apparently for staring at him."
:whistling:
What the hell kind of world do you live in where being quick to get into fights over dumb things because of an ego makes you evil.
There does not need an to be a reason why people do the things they do (Ex. Arlong taking over a random village, for hardly a reason), but giving a reason just makes my points more valid.
It's a prediction. Everyone has thought something about One Piece that was silly or turned out to be wrong.
It's a terrible prediction based off nothing. I'm calling you on it. Fish live in the water.
Therefore the only person who can understand the "character" of One Piece, is Oda himself. It's an unpredictable manga.
And people who don't make shitty fucking theories always attempt to understand Oda and why he does what he does rather than throwing retarded shit at the wall they randomly come up with off the top of their heads.
No matter the the stupidity of my comparisons (which I agree looking back were not very good), you still cannot simply deny the idea that Caribou could help out the Strawhats. After all it could be part of his master plan to kill them.
Which is worlds away from saying he will be an ally.
Acting like a nice guy, until he can slaughter them 1 by 1 sounds plausible am I right? This time I 100% am because that was his original idea…
It already didn't work at all, why would this change.
If I recall when I was lurking you argued with AGOG a lot… So yes you do. Generally speaking most frequent forum goers don't mind waiting to prove they are right. I can tell you are no different.
How is that even waiting around?? I tried to get him to shut up nonstop because I didn't care to wait till he was inevitably wrong. I even put my account on the line to make sure he would never talk again after that point.
Never before has a character named Caribou who, been trapped in a barrel and a cyborg named Franky comes up from behind. Technically it's unique. Don't try and take me so seriously.
Then try to make your jokes funny, and your sarcasm have a point.
Yes but is it as funny?
omg you remember me :wub:
lol for someone who hates fascism you sure love throwing your weight around
Yes, because I'm exerting any sort of authority of legal power people cannot resist on equal grounds.
Ask any NPC person how I use my mod powers over there.
You know, if Caribou never said he wanted to "join" the Straw Hats, which he even admitted was only to sneak up on them and kill them or stepped foot on the Sunny, I doubt there would be any, and if so only by extreme fools like Sabo and AL, thought of him being even a slight chance of him being a new crewmate.
@JERK:
Yes, because I'm exerting any sort of authority of legal power people cannot resist on equal grounds.
Ask any NPC person how I use my mod powers over there.
I don't expect you would see much resistance in place you specifically tailored to your own liking…
It's like asking one of Gaddafi's bodyguards if they think he's a great guy (a reference you get, love me?)
being on your mind so much is great but…why can't you just accept that akainu isn't a one dimensional psychopath and move on to something else. This caribou stuff is so fresh and new, all the kids are getting in on it.
@JERK:
THAT IS NOT A FUCKING ARGUEMENT.
And just to show you how nice I am, I won't even try to get Robby to bring his hammer down on your soft little head over this.
never said it was an argument. Just stating a fact. It adds to my point
@JERK:
So….
You aren't even fucking saying he's going to become an ally. You're saying he's a villain that will backstab them.
Helping out the Strawhats (no matter what the real reason is) is still acting as an ally.
@JERK:
I really fucking hope that's what you're saying. But I have every reason to think you're dumb enough to not get this.
Precisely! Bout time we understand each other!
@JERK:
So you're literally saying that "being a villain" is grounds to compare two characters for any reason.
You are dumb as a fucking stump.
And that's ignoring that Kidd isn't even a fucking villain.
He's as much as a villain as he is a rival. :getlost: You said there is nothing saying hes a villain. There is as much of stating hes a villain as it states hes a rival.
Like I said you can compare anything to anything. Comparing two characters for sharing a few similar traits it's extremely practical
@JERK:
What the hell kind of world do you live in where being quick to get into fights over dumb things because of an ego makes you evil.
Did you read the first thing I quoted? If you did that would make a lot more sense…
@JERK:
It's a terrible prediction based off nothing. I'm calling you on it. Fish live in the water.
it's actually based on the actions Caribou has preformed, and the plans he had to ally himself with the Strawhats. So there is a bases to go with it. A good one I might add
@JERK:
And people who don't make shitty fucking theories always attempt to understand Oda and why he does what he does rather than throwing retarded shit at the wall they randomly come up with off the top of their heads.
I'm not trying to understand Oda… in fact you already stated that you know the "character" of One Piece. So what you just said only applies to you. :whistling:
Stop trying to put words in my mouth
@JERK:
Which is worlds away from saying he will be an ally.
In a way yes, but in a way no.
Allying the Strawhats to eventually kill them, is still allying the Strawhats. Of course his intentions are pretty much the opposite, so I do see where you are going with this.
@JERK:
It already didn't work at all, why would this change.
Fair point.
@JERK:
How is that even waiting around?? I tried to get him to shut up nonstop because I didn't care to wait till he was inevitably wrong. I even put my account on the line to make sure he would never talk again after that point.
You waited around to see if you were correct right? You also waited around to see if he would delete his account.
Basically the waiting around was just a bonus to attending Arlong Park regularly. But you cannot deny you did not wait for him to be wrong (the same way you may do me)
@JERK:
Then try to make your jokes funny, and your sarcasm have a point.
It wasn't a joke. and it did have a point. The point was that you are technically wrong 
This is getting more and more pointless.. Like I said, both of us have a bases to go off of, and neither of us is right until we get those damn scans out and see whose wrong.
I don't expect you would see much resistance in place you specifically tailored to your own liking…
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh how I wish this was true.
being on your mind so much is great but…why can't you just accept that akainu isn't a one dimensional psychopath and move on to something else. This caribou stuff is so fresh and new, all the kids are getting in on it.
I'd death pact you on this, but no way am I waiting ten years.
being on your mind so much is great but…why can't you just accept that akainu isn't a one dimensional psychopath and move on to something else. This caribou stuff is so fresh and new, all the kids are getting in on it.
Because Aka Inu is not one-dimensional.
Why is he evil? Is it because he enjoys hurting people? Not exactly. He doesn't empathize with weaklings or rebels; he believes that justice must be unyielding; and he sees all individuals who do not conform to the ideologies of the WG to be shot-down-on-sight enemies. This character reflects real historical figures. In particular, the figures are Japanese samurai and warlords, who follows the code of Bushido. Aka Inu follows Bushido, to the metaphorical letter.
Loyalty, honor, obedience, duty, filial piety, and self-sacrifice. These values just listed have been taken directly from Wikipedia. Aka Inu follows all these values absolutely. The same things that make him an absolute bad-ass also makes him an evil monster.
Caribou? He's greedy, delusional, self-absorbed, and perverted. He's a typical rapist and slave trafficker. Except for his logia ability, of course.
never said it was an argument. Just stating a fact. It adds to my point
That's making an argument.
It's NOT even a fact, it's a subjective claim with no meaning.
You realize you're edging right toward Tori22 territory don't you?
Either your insanely dumb, or your trolling.
And the mods may not bother trying to figure out for sure if it's the former. That's what happened to him.
Helping out the Strawhats (no matter what the real reason is) is still acting as an ally.
Saying someone's ally without making the huge distinction of it being fake is the kind of thing only a troll would leave out. You know damn well what it sounded like you were saying.
He's as much as a villain as he is a rival. :getlost:
No he fucking isn't.
Unless you have no idea what an antagonist is and think it's another word for villain.
You said there is nothing saying hes a villain. There is as much of stating hes a villain as it states hes a rival.
Oh really. Name one goddamn thing.
Like I said you can compare anything to anything. Comparing two characters for sharing a few similar traits it's extremely practical
It's insanely fucking stupid. It's literally a logic fallacy.
Oh and here's something, listen to me. Look at my sig and ask yourself why in hell you're trying to convince me of a tactic of deduction. What in the hell makes you think you know what you're talking about. Or why you seem to think you can lecture me about it better yet.
Did you read the first thing I quoted? If you did that would make a lot more sense…
Have you ever been to a bar?
Go to a bar. Some big lummox sits down next to you and you talk to him, he makes fun of something you say. Now imagine you're Kidd. You take umbrage at this and fight him. You kill him in the fight.
Congrats you killed a civilian. Now rinse wash and repeat over and over again.
You're completely ignoring what the stated circumstances are, and just take the bare comment of "Kidd kills civilians" at point blank.
Kidd is not a serial killer or any shit like that.
it's actually based on the actions Caribou has preformed, and the plans he had to ally himself with the Strawhats. So there is a bases to go with it. A good one I might add
I don't even care about arguing this thing if you don't actually think he's going to become their friend.
I'm not trying to understand Oda…
Then why the hell are you theorizing at all? That's the entire point of theorizing unless you think you're own fanfiction ideas are some how a better source of speculation.
in fact you already stated that you know the "character" of One Piece. So what you just said only applies to you. :whistling:
I always attempt to understand what Oda is thinking, which is exactly what I said good theorizers do?
Congrats on not reading well.
Stop trying to put words in my mouth
lol, you JUST said you aren't trying to understand Oda.
In a way yes, but in a way no.
Allying the Strawhats to eventually kill them, is still allying the Strawhats. Of course his intentions are pretty much the opposite, so I do see where you are going with this.
Don't pull this goddamn "im a robot and i do not understand the understood" shit with me.
You waited around to see if you were correct right?
Alright, again since you're stupid. I need to ask which thing you mean.
1. You're wondering why I waited for Oda to make the plot get to that point as opposed to…... I don't fucking know.
2. You honestly thought I didn't already know Perona would never join the crew, and that I ever held doubt over the outcome.
These are both insanely dumb things to think hth.
You also waited around to see if he would delete his account.
Huh? Now I just think you have no idea how anything in the AGOG situation even went down.
Basically the waiting around was just a bonus to attending Arlong Park regularly. But you cannot deny you did not wait for him to be wrong (the same way you may do me)
How the fuck are you getting all this inane…whatever the hell you're going on about, from me simply saying I don't need to wait to know that you're wrong. What the fuck is wrong with you.
It wasn't a joke. and it did have a point. The point was that you are technically wrong
Nobody but aspergers rotten twats care about "technically" in this scenario, so try speaking the language around here.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
@JERK:
aspergers rotten twats
This sounds incredibly offensive to me
Just a quick question. Since you're saying that Kidd isn't evil/villainous (not precisely disagreeing btw, your points actually swayed me from leaning that way), more so vicious and a likely antagonist, how do you view this piece of dialogue?
"Kidd: Compared to the "just" greed of those in power,
it would seem the world's villains are the moral side.
Don't you see that when scum rule the world, the world produces scum?
Hey, at least we're honest about our evil. Right, Killer?"
It seems to be saying to me that the government brands him evil and "scum", and he, well, doesn't deny it. Or is he being ironic? I do agree he's definitely not something as extreme as a mass murderer who kills for the hell of it, but I still get the vibe that he could end up pretty villanious, Luffy's "bad" rival if you will. Though maybe it's more ruthlessness/viciousness than outright villainy (as I think you were saying before).
Kidd was commenting on the irony of the Government acting that they were just while condoning slavery and the Celestrial Dragons. Kidd's entire deal is that while he may be a wicked bastard, he isn't going to hold up any false pretense's.
Kidd is more an 'extreme' version of Luffy in a way. Now he's not as extreme as Blackbeard(who's a villain) but his role is more of antagonistic/rival I mean his speech at the auction house gives a pretty clear indication he's not a villain or least not an antagonist on the level of Blackbeard, Akainu or Lucci which do/used to work for the World Government. To me, Kidd is the symbolic of the type of pirate Luffy could have became if he hadn't been influenced by Shanks, if anything look at Luffy in chapter one then look at Luffy in Jaya, then look at Kidds rant about him killing anybody who laughed at his dream, or at him in general.
Kidd was commenting on the irony of the Government acting that they were just while condoning slavery and the Celestrial Dragons. Kidd's entire deal is that while he may be a wicked bastard, he isn't going to hold up any false pretense's.
Exactly.
Kidd is being extremely wise in that statement, he regards the World Government as villains that wear a facade of heroism, he doesn't pretend that he's not a pirate (similar to how Luffy acts); pirates are bad guys.
It's still not proof of his role as an villain, if anything it solidifies him as an ambiguous antagonist like Mihawk, Dragon or Shanks.
To me, Kidd is the symbolic of the type of pirate Luffy could have became if he hadn't been influenced by Shanks, if anything look at Luffy in chapter one then look at Luffy in Jaya, then look at Kidds rant about him killing anybody who laughed at his dream, or at him in general.
I agree and would compare his level of "villainy" to Ace who was also ruthless to anyone that spoke out against WB, and before joining his crew in trying to kill Whitebeard for having stunted his dream.
"Kidd: Compared to the "just" greed of those in power,
it would seem the world's villains are the moral side.
Don't you see that when scum rule the world, the world produces scum?
Hey, at least we're honest about our evil. Right, Killer?"
Kid realizes he is a pirate, and that the world recognizes him as a villain, and that he himself has committed crimes. However he thinks what the government does is not only sick and wrong, but they're also calling themeselves justice. Luffy and Shanks said somewhat the same things.
Shanks: "We're pirates, not saints."
Shirahoshi: "You're a pirate? Does that mean you're a bad guy."
Luffy: "That's up to you to decide."
@JERK:
People who aren't moronic authority fetish creeps like Lordzeb like Akainu and Blackbeard precisely because they're villains. I actually like both of them as villains.
Akainu is a fantastic villain in his frightening zealousness and ferocity. What a foe! The battle against him will be amazing no doubt.
And Blackbeard is cool because he's like an evil version of Luffy in some ways, which makes him interesting.
But the Caribou fandom for no goddamn reason keeps idiotically trying to pass him as a fun cool dude who could be an ally. These people are hopeless, don't defend anything about them.
I don't say he'll be an ally, but he's kinda like a New World Buggy. He's dangerous but in the end he's taken quite lightly, and he's a ridiculous villain. It can make people like him as a character. Which I do. Just because he's funny, with his perverseness, his gross face and disgusting Logia.
Seriously, look at the scene with the mermaids. Don't you think Oda is trolling us in a fun way, by showing Caribou enslave mermaids like that, with his filthy mud, while making gross grimaces.
I think One Piece gets better with a few characters like that ^^
I get that Kidd was commenting on the government's hypocrisy, of course.
It's the "at least we're honest about our evil" part that makes me wonder how far his ruthlessness will go. Although to be fair that wording doesn't really imply that he's anything beyond what he was shown (and hinted at) to be, I'm probably biased because the translation I've read before puts it like "at least our malice is consistent" which carries rather different connotations.
I don't say he'll be an ally, but he's kinda like a New World Buggy. He's dangerous but in the end he's taken quite litghly, and he's a ridiculous villain. It can make people like him as a character. Which I do. Just because he's funny, with his perverseness, his gross face and disgusting Logia.
Seriously, look at the scene with the mermaids. Don't you think Oda is trolling us in a fun way, by showing Coribou enslave mermaids like that, with his filthy mud, while making gross grimaces.
I think One Piece gets better with a few characters like that ^^
Alright, I dislike you now too.
It seems to be saying to me that the government brands him evil and "scum"
The very same government that kills islands filled with innocent people in the name of "justice".
@JERK:
Alright, I dislike you now too.
Why do you always have to troll ? It's ok if you think that Caribou is stupid, gross and that people who want him to join the crew or to be a SH ally are total idiots.
But leave them if they want to enjoy the manga and all its characters, what's your problem with that ? You can't always be the one who's right, and you should consider that your opinions aren't the only ones and not necessarily the best ones.
Even if I agree with you about the Caribou hardcore fangirls, for which the "asperger rotten twats" definition just fits. xD
He just likes being a bully. If you don't like it, just put him on your ignore list.
He just likes being a bully. If you don't like it, just put him on your ignore list.
Well, even if sometimes it's a bit too much to remain funny, it would be stupid to put him on ignore list ^^
