Tennryubito for sure. Assholes.
Most Despicable Villain(s) so far…
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Aka inu isnot a villain in any way antagonist yes, villain no. The straw hats are anti-heroes therefore aka inu must be an anti-villain the only true villain seen so far are Blackbeard, Enel, Tennryubito ect.
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It is mind-boggling that people sees Akainu (who generally speaking (as I explained in previous posts) is not an bad (i.e. vile, finding sadistic pleasure in causing pain and killing ala Lucci, seeking power at all cost ala Crocodile nor is he deciphered as cruel or doing anything for personal gain) villain) as a worse villain than Spandam for me…
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@Sir:
He is definitely the most evil character in the series so far. Even the good Marines don't like him.
At least scumbags like Arlong or people like Enel don't pretend they're doing things for good.
And if you were a civilian who got killed for being too close to someone he personally thought was dangerous (even if there was no reason for anyone to think they really were)?
You are right about Arlong and Enel, they dont pretend that they are good, but they act killing, conquering and murdering and enjoying what they do. Now look at all of Akainu`s horrible actions, do you see him enjoying them?
No. He does them because he has to do them, someone has to get the hands dirty in order to prevent the world from a greater threat. And I am not saying Akainu is good, I think he is really extrem, but at least he fights for the civilians and the inocent people in OP world, and he doesnt go arround killing people for pleassure abbusing his tittle like Shiryuu, he just kills pirates and evildoers, in some extrem cases civilians in order to prevent and save the lives of more civilians (And as harsh as that sounds, dont think that those things doesnt happen in real world). Spandam for example not only arrested Robin, he hit her, lauged at her, and destroyed her mentally. Akainu knows how to mentally play with his enemys, but at most he make them rage in order to have a chance to fight them.
Lets put it this way, imagine that instead of killing Ace and pursuing Luffy he would have killed Arlong, Crocodile and Ener (He would do it given the chance, since they are criminals xD), would you think he was so evil? -
Spandam's a fuck-nugget.
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This would be either Tenryuubito or Spandam… but I think I go with Spandam. The way he treated Robin was unforgivable and the fact that he didn't give a shit about it when he accidently caused the buster call. His reaction, how he yelled that it didn't matter if the whole island was destroyed as far as he survives and has power, sigh. Tenryuubito also, the way they treat the people/mermaids/merman makes me sick.
Then, i think Akainu is quite evil since he doesn't hesitate to kill innocent people for justice and to protect WG's secrets (cough Ohara cough) but then again, he's doing his job and doesn't let his emotions to involve his work.
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Akainu and Blackbeard and they are intentionally made as despicable by oda as they are some of the final villains of One Piece
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Aka Inu was just doing his job (in a cool way).
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Everyone seems to have forgotten that Akainu also killed women and children and kills his own men if they show any cowardice. Ace aside, Akainu's killed many innocents too under the Justice banner. How people consider this any different from Spandam, I have no idea.
Blackbeard is clearly evil, having killed two of his old nakama and responsible for a third one's death. He does however, seem to care about his own crew and for that reason alone I cannot see him as pure evil. He tried to protect Auger and Burgess from Ace anyway.
Moria, I have never seen as pure evil for the same reasons as Blackbeard, he cared for his crew which in my eyes anyway is a redeeming feature. Arlong is the same way. Both killed at least one named character each, but for Moria that was AFTER his arc(Oz jnr) and for Arlong it was vital to Nami's story.
I would have said Crocodile if he hadn't just saved Luffy and Jimbei, but it looks like we're going to end up picking the Tenryuubito.
Why is Foxy here again? Dude cares about his crew, isn't really that evil, he's just a little twisted.
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Everyone seems to have forgotten that Akainu also killed women and children and kills his own men if they show any cowardice. Ace aside, Akainu's killed many innocents too under the Justice banner. How people consider this any different from Spandam, I have no idea.
Either you didn't read the posts on this page and the previous page, or you should pay more attention to the text that is written than the shiny avatars beside it.
Several of the posts who argued Akainu's "cause" (don't get me wrong, I don't think he is a good guy) brought up those points you claim to have been forgotten.
Akainu has never been shown to kill without cause, he does it to follow his extreme Absolut Justice. He kills people who are "evildoers" (in his, and the societys eyes) and in extreme cases (such as Ohara) he kills innocent people to prevent any chance of "evildoers" to escape justice.
Indeed Akainu is very extreme and hard, but he does it for the people of the World Governant, not out of pleasure or personal gain or any other motive.
And Akainu didn't kill his own men because they showed cowardice, he killed the men who deserted their posts in a very importent war. There is a vast difference, and that punishment would have been extracted in almost every country of our worlds history. Believe it or not, but they hang deserters.Don't missunderstand me, I argue for Akainu because I think he is a model everyman should strive to be. His measures are far to extreme and he obeys orders to a fault without question. But he is not evil, nor is he vile.
The most common definition of evil is morally wrong or bad, immoral, wicked. Spandam, the World Nobles, Crocodile, Enel, Arlong. They all fit that definition, all of them are utterly immoral but Akainu fit it worst of all since he follows the WG morals with unfaltering determination.
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At this point, I will have to go with Saint Charloss.
Although we have only seen him briefly, Saint Charloss seems to embody everything that I view as evil. He is extremely snobbish, he owns slaves, he wastes very important Marine resources for the most tangential reasons and he has no doubt killed people for very trivial reasons.
Also, I find some the "Akainu was just doing his job" arguments interesting. I think it was Doflamingo who said quipped before the Marineford Arc that whowever wins the war will be seen as right because they will write the history.
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foxy has votes:blink:
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wtf moria got 5?? WTF
EDIT: i forgot he's too funny and cool to be despicable
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Most of the real villains in One Piece is really really despicable, Arlong, Enel, Crocodile and those guys. The other antagonists like Foxy, Buggy and such shouldn't be considered villains, since they don't really do anything evil, and if they do they do it on a very small scale.
It makes it hard for me to pick out the worst of the worst, but for me it has to be Crocodile. The guy starts a whole freaking war, in order to get a super-weapon so he can go around and destroy islands, and in the end take over the world (Of Course!).
That's pretty badass.
All Enel wanted was to fly to the moon, but he still wanted to start chaos, so he decided to kill a whole island.
Spandam isn't really "evil", he just does his job, in a really despicable way. He's just power-hungry, but doesn't have the power to match it.
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Spandam is the worse.
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The Nobles are the most evil, then Arlong. Why? Well Now that I think about it, I was really hoping for Spandam to get killed, like I actually wanted Robin to just kill him, but oh well. I think Arlong is evil was because he killed Oppressed Namis friends anf villagers, made Nami a slave, and killed Belle.
The Nobles.. I was so happy when they got punched. It's just like the fat bully who gets knocked out, it feels great. Luffy did a just thing by punching a slave owning, wife stealing, fiancé shooting, snobby rich son of a bitch.
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I am not sure about BB caring about his own crew. Yes he did try to protect his men from Ace. But when he has to choose between great long term benefits for himself and his men, I wonder which he will pick.
As for the Tenryuubito, they are the product of their environment. They were raised in literal bubbles, cuddled and given great status. They were raised to view other people as lesser beings. It is like the French nobles and "Let them eat cake", and a Chinese emperor and "Why won't they eat pork porridge". Both fell shortly out of power. I wonder how much actual political power, aside form calling an admiral, the Tenryuubito actually have. I can't see Charlos and his sister as shrewed politicians. Not sure about the father.
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@Uzumaki_D_Kenichi:
For me it's the Tenryuubito. […] Just seeing all the things they did to the peope on the island, how they treated the slaves, and just their attitude in general disgusted me. When Hancock revealed her past, things went beyond hate.
Luffy punching Charlos in the face was one of the most fullfiling things I have ever experienced both from the manga and the anime?Quoted for truth. Utterly despicable. They don't even posses any skill. They have just born to this position without doing anything and they unremorsefully abuse the power they have.
Someone like Crocodile might have done a lot of bad things but at least he earned this position by using skill, power and careful scheming. I don't know anything more despicable than some spoilet brats who know nothing of hardships of life, yet get the high position for absolutely nothing and then proceed to treat the other people like crap. -
Spandam is the worst so far. Arlong is a very close second. The Tenryuubito are a close third and will probably surpass them both later.
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I voted for the Tenryuubito just cause they seem to fit the topic best. They literally do everything they can to be hated, they're built just to piss the viewer off. They're that kind of shallow villain that are just build things up to the point that you want to see them punched in the face, and get the satisfaction of painful retribution. Honestly, Spandam is pretty much the same kind of villain and probably has the better character development, but I just feel the Tenryuubito will have a bigger impact on the story, especially when they most likely will facilitate whatever antagonist will try to block the Strawhats (and maybe the supernovas, assuming they haven't already left) to the New World.
Also, being more despicable doesn't really make you the better villain. The Tenryuubito are just meant to be hated, and sadly character development kind of gets tossed aside, since our ability to understand them would make hating them more difficult. The "better" villains on this list are in order, Blackeard, Crocodile (only second to BB cause he's developing into an anti hero now, otherwise he'd be first) and Aku Inu (who is too new. Frankly I'm a little annoyed after all these chapters of big hitters fighting and doing nothing that we get a guy who can OHKO shichibukai level fighters in one hit). These guys have the most depth, or will have it later, and that just makes them more fun to watch right?
Lastly, I shake my head at everyone who justifies Aka Inu's actions as "doing his job." It feels like missing the point, just because these guys work for a military force doesn't mean they aren't making their own choices.
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Also, being more despicable doesn't really make you the better villain. The Tenryuubito are just meant to be hated, and sadly character development kind of gets tossed aside, since our ability to understand them would make hating them more difficult.
Do you honestly think that they could have any sort of redemptive qualities that makes hating them difficult?
I understand what you mean though. After learning how fishmen/merfolk are treated, I felt pity for Arlong, and I understood a little better why he did what he did. I still don't like him, but I don't hat him as much either. Croc-boy…..only because of the things he has done for Luffy...that's the only thing he has going for him...Moria had his crew annihilated so I feel bad for him...
Other than those three, not one of the villains has anything redemptive about them. And as for the Tenryuubito, Oda has done so much to make us hate them, that is their character delopment. We know why they do what they do, and why they act like they act. They're like Wapol, they do it because they can.As for being more despicable making you a better villain...I would say it generally does. You're really not supposed to like the bad guys, and the more vile they are the easier it is to hate them...
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I voted Tenryuubito and I'm glad to see I agree with people.
Akainu isn't even a villain, he's a hero. He doesn't take crack from nobody.
He's also GAR.
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Akainu is an idiot. He's an idiot, despicable and single minded, not to mention unworthy of the position of an admiral due to his lack of strategy. He deserves to die, painfully. And he kills his own men as well as the enemy, and civilians.
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yah, while tenryuubito is the most emotional villian, akainu requires more critical thinking. its easy to blame everything on the fat-assed awful, slave-driving tenryuubito that has no physical strength and talant of their own.
on the other hand, akainu probabily examplifies the core of the all the stereotype in one piece world. the concept of absoulte justice is theoricaly nice, but too crul in practice. to regard human, enemy or foe, not as individual beings but as people expandable for sacrifice for greater good is a concept that will eat away at the world goverment eventually. it is this kind of arrogant attitude that the revolutionaries are fighting aginst. -
Akainu is an idiot. He's an idiot, despicable and single minded, not to mention unworthy of the position of an admiral due to his lack of strategy. He deserves to die, painfully. And he kills his own men as well as the enemy, and civilians.
'lack of strategy?'
He is the only admiral ever showing anything close to strategic thinking!
He was the one who stayed back at the Execution platform while the other two were running out there while there was #noone left to protect that place#.
He was the one who thought up that brilliant scheme with squardo. Seriously, cudos to Aka Inu.
He was the one who stopped ace by playing his own pride and stupidity against him. -
'lack of strategy?'
He is the only admiral ever showing anything close to strategic thinking!
He was the one who stayed back at the Execution platform while the other two were running out there while there was #noone left to protect that place#.
He was the one who thought up that brilliant scheme with squardo. Seriously, cudos to Aka Inu.
He was the one who stopped ace by playing his own pride and stupidity against him.Precisely. His intelligence/manipulation is what makes him the deadliest Admiral. That and his freakin' unbelievably powerful devil fruit ability.
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He was the one who thought up that brilliant scheme with squardo. Seriously, cudos to Aka Inu.
Sengoku came up with that, actually. Akainu just did it.
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However, Akainu is a completely different story, as he has the worst qualities out of all those villains. The kind of person who uses trickery to achieve his goals, attacks defenseless people, manipulates people in the most heinous ways, and even murders defenseless people. All things that the other aforementioned baddies have done, but Akainu is different, because unlike the rest, he genuinely believes he's justified. He does have a fancy title, like Spandam, but he earned that title. He has used his methods to attain the position of Admiral, and that makes him all the more despicable, as nobody can argue with that. He openly does evil, he lies to his victims to get them to do what he wants, he has scores of men at his command, he's both strong and experienced, and he doesn't see anything wrong with what he does. In other words, a true scoundrel, through and through.
What victims? Besides those civilians during the buster call all the people who fell to him were enemies not victims. Nothing he has done is remotely evil the man is just getting the job done as effectively as possible. Killing Ace, tricking Squado, and killing a deserter are not evil actions. He is extreme because he did abandon his post to kill a single lowly marine but that just makes him a tight ass not an evil monster.
That marine would have been taken away from his family after the war and executed by the government anyway, of that you can be sure. No solute or medals for that man. Hell in Akainu's mind he may have even saved that marine the disgrace of all his family, friends, and fellow marines knowing he was a deserter and watching his execution. Calling any offensive action towards the pirates evil(like chasing down Luffy) is just retarded.
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Akianu is the Marine's big bitch. In fact, anyone that does dirty things in justice is not even a villian to me… They are about on the same level of religious groups burning innocents for witchcraft.
As for the topic, the Celestial Dragons are dispicble... But I hate Spandam more. He has so many decent "despicable" qualities. Instead of justice, he chooses promotion and fame even though he's weak as hell. Crocodile... He's like a godfather of villainy.
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Gotta be the Tenryuubito for me.
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How can applying the Burning Soulful Fist of Justice to the backs of unjust bishounens be considered villainy?
Most of one Piece later antogonists starting with Enel can't be viewed as villains. They're only people with objectives contrasting to those of the protagonists who are far away from being saint.
But evil exists. And its name is Tenryuubito.
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Tenryuubito. A lot of people have said they would prefer death or prison over slavery… so that pretty much settles it for me...
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What victims? Besides those civilians during the buster call all the people who fell to him were enemies not victims. Nothing he has done is remotely evil the man is just getting the job done as effectively as possible. Killing Ace, tricking Squado, and killing a deserter are not evil actions. He is extreme because he did abandon his post to kill a single lowly marine but that just makes him a tight ass not an evil monster.
That marine would have been taken away from his family after the war and executed by the government anyway, of that you can be sure. No solute or medals for that man. Hell in Akainu's mind he may have even saved that marine the disgrace of all his family, friends, and fellow marines knowing he was a deserter and watching his execution. Calling any offensive action towards the pirates evil(like chasing down Luffy) is just retarded.The fuck?
This is a disturbing trend, what's with rationalizing the actions thugs and serial killers? A guy like Aka Inu isn't blind or helpless, despite being in an army the admirals have the power to choose their actions.
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You are right about Arlong and Enel, they dont pretend that they are good, but they act killing, conquering and murdering and enjoying what they do. Now look at all of Akainu`s horrible actions, do you see him enjoying them?
I don't think someone has to enjoy doing evil things to be evil, just like people can still be evil even if they believe they're good. Akainu and the Elder Stars may have genuinely believed from the bottom of their hearts that letting even one scholar escape from Ohara would lead to the complete destruction of human civilization, and they may have felt horrible about doing it afterwards, but that doesn't justify them doing it at all.
Lets put it this way, imagine that instead of killing Ace and pursuing Luffy he would have killed Arlong, Crocodile and Ener (He would do it given the chance, since they are criminals xD), would you think he was so evil?
I don't believe Akainu is evil for killing Ace. It was definitely a dick move because Ace probably isn't a dangerous criminal, but at least it was somewhat justified. He's evil because of his actions at Ohara and because of his complete lack of remorse and humanity. He absolutely believes that he is a paragon of justice and that everyone who doesn't follow the same path as him is worthless trash. I don't claim to be an expert on justice, but Akainu is definitely not it. He's just a thug, and saying that he's like a Clint Eastwood is an insult to Clint Eastwood.
What victims? Besides those civilians during the buster call all the people who fell to him were enemies not victims.
That's enough.
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Akainu killed the citizens of Ohara to prevent an incident like Ohara from ever happening again. By killing them all he gurantees that not a single scholar could have possibly escaped and thus they won't have to buster call another town or village or whatever.
It might have been absolutely dickish but from a long-term perspective it was completely reasonable. Akainu is a man of reason, not emotion.
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You're assuming that they were justified in killing the scholars, anyway. Killing them all wasn't reasonable.
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We don't know why the marines follow the instructions of the world government but if I had to guess then I'd say the marines have no choice in the matter and have to uphold their law. That makes the world government evil, not the marines. The marines are just doing their jobs.
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Currently, I want to tear Akainu a new a$$hole due to him killing Ace and him being a complete and udder douchebag. God, reading his dialogue was like putting a needle on my spine.
For straight up villian: The crown goes to Crocodile. Crocodile is nothing short of a mastermind, not to mention he's straight up pimp.
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@Uncle:
We don't know why the marines follow the instructions of the world government but if I had to guess then I'd say the marines have no choice in the matter and have to uphold their law. That makes the world government evil, not the marines. The marines are just doing their jobs.
If you just mean foot soldiers, I'd agree, but we're talking about one of the highest-ranked and most powerful marines. After a certain point, you can't use "just following orders" as an excuse.
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@Sir:
If you just mean foot soldiers, I'd agree, but we're talking about one of the highest-ranked and most powerful marines. After a certain point, you can't use "just following orders" as an excuse.
- Kills everyone at Ohara to assure the absolute completion of mission and to prevent future buster calls and the loss of more lives
- Kills a prisoner scheduled for execution and ordered to be killed by Sengoku
- Punishes lower-level marines for insubordination
- Executes a scheme to weaken Whitebeard, their target for the war
- Fights Whitebeard head-on a number of times, reducing his power even further
- Attempts to execute Luffy who, in addition to Ace, was ordered to be killed by Sengoku
At what point did Akainu go off and do something that was an act of evil with no purpose or not for the greater good? At what point has Akainu openly defied orders given to him by Sengoku?
If Sengoku ordered Akainu to stop pursuing Luffy and help fight Blackbeard you can bet your ass he's going stop (even if he's disgruntled) and drag his ass back there to help. He's a marine to the core.
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The fuck?
This is a disturbing trend, what's with rationalizing the actions thugs and serial killers? A guy like Aka Inu isn't blind or helpless, despite being in an army the admirals have the power to choose their actions.
Thugs and serial killers? Killing or ordering the killing of deserters is normal protocol for superior officers in disciplined armies especially if its happening right before their eyes. This happens in every army in every culture all throughout history. This isn't news to you is it? Simply leaving a battlefield is enough to guarantee a bullet in the back from your own men and the person doing the killing usually is not a thug, military hardass, or openly or secretly psychotic.
And no they don't have the right to choose their actions regardless of rank or how much they disagree. Only reason Aokiji&Kizaru get away with doing what they want is because they have super-powers. Akainu did not have the choice to let that marine flee and be dealt with later. Only odd action was leaving his post, but that was probably to talk to Squado and the marine just had horrible timing.
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- Kills a prisoner scheduled for execution and ordered to be killed by Sengoku
- Punishes lower-level marines for insubordination
- Executes a scheme to weaken Whitebeard, their target for the war
- Fights Whitebeard head-on a number of times, reducing his power even further
- Attempts to execute Luffy who, in addition to Ace, was ordered to be killed by Sengoku
These are all just dick moves, like I said. They technically would be evil since we know that Whitebeard, Luffy, and Ace are all better people than him, but I wouldn't hold those against him too much (except maybe killing his own men).
@Uncle:
- Kills everyone at Ohara to assure the absolute completion of mission and to prevent future buster calls and the loss of more lives
So what if he was "just completing his mission"? It was an evil operation and the facts are that Akainu killed innocent people (and Marines too, I think) to ensure that….no innocent people got off the island.
And it wasn't just to complete the mission - he actually thought the scholars were evil, which is obviously untrue. Seeing how much he hates evil, I don't think destroying that ship was hard for him to do.
At what point did Akainu go off and do something that was an act of evil with no purpose or not for the greater good?
Ohara was both, especially since he wasn't ordered to do what he did.
At what point has Akainu openly defied orders given to him by Sengoku?
Since when is that a measure of justice? Sengoku hasn't shown much goodness either.
If Sengoku ordered Akainu to stop pursuing Luffy and help fight Blackbeard you can bet your ass he's going stop (even if he's disgruntled) and drag his ass back there to help. He's a marine to the core.
I kind of doubt that, but even so, being willing to follow orders doesn't make him not evil.
Thugs and serial killers?
Like Akainu, who is probably insane (although I don't think I would call him a serial killer). You're right that soldiers could be killed for doing the same thing in real life, but it doesn't help that the only person we see in this war killing his own men is the man who believes that anyone who isn't as morally good as him should die. He really seems like he would jump at the chance to kill any Marine who he doesn't approve of (because he did).
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@Sir:
Like Akainu, who is probably insane (although I don't think I would call him a serial killer). You're right that soldiers could be killed for doing the same thing in real life, but it doesn't help that the only person we see in this war killing his own men is the man who believes that anyone who isn't as morally good as him should die. He really seems like he would jump at the chance to kill any Marine who he doesn't approve of (because he did).
There is no could be killed it always outright happens. More common than not.
He killed a deserter and a soldier being incredibly insubordinate yelling in his face, a mere two people, so I'm confused at how you came to your conclusions. Man is doing his job and simply demonstrates a real soldier's duties. Mans realistic starting from his appearance to his behavior.
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I doubt Aokiji or Garp would have killed a foot soldier if they had pulled something like that right in front of them. I don't even think Sengoku would.
You're right, Coby knew the risks and insubordination would get people killed in real life, but that doesn't mean it's wrong to do so, especially when the military leaders / government in question are totally morally bankrupt.
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@Sir:
I doubt Aokiji or Garp would have killed a foot soldier if they had pulled something like that right in front of them. I don't even think Sengoku would.
Aokiji is lazy justice personified and would probably tell the man to sleep it of, and Garp is Luffy's grandfather through and through. But you are deluding yourself if you think Sengoku would even hesitate before ordering or performing the execution. Sengoku is Akainu with more talk, less action and a less stern.
The arguments that Akainu is evil because he kills marine deserters, slew Ace, pursues to deal the same justice to Luffy is utterly absurd.
Desertion is a crime sentenced by death, as have been said many times in this thread, especially since the marines that gathered at Marinford are supposed to be the elites and the war has high stakes. Akainu did his job. No excess, no cruelty, no vengeful murder. He did his job, and punished a crime just like any commanding officier would have ordered it.
Ace was a famous pirate, also a crime sentenced by death and furthermore, he had escaped from his execution.
Luffy is a famous (rockie) pirate captain (as I'm sure you are aware of) that has stirred much trouble for the marines, least of all his massive outbreak from Impel Down - freeing many dangerous criminals. We know that Luffy is a nice guy and just wants adventures, but he is still a pirate and a trouble for peace, and piracy is still a crime sentenced to death.Akainu is as hard a man as they come in OPverse and is hell-bent on obeying orders without question or hesitation from his superior and WG. That is his fault, he do not judge or question his superiors nor their philosophy - he just follows orders, believing in WG's policy.
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! Aka Inu would have killed his men if they responded to an order like that.
! There is a huge difference between him and the rest of the marines.
! Hell even Ao Kiji was disugusted at what Aka Inu did to the civilains of Ohara.
He calls him a bastard!
! There is a difference between following orders and going to extremes. And the Mad Dog has gone way beyond the extremes.
! I mean he almost killed Coby because Coby wanted to save his fellow Marine's lives!
! And you know what I don't get, it's okay for the marines to kill their own men, but not for the pirates.
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i voted for eneru since you know he tried (and came awfully close to) destroying a hole nation
using people
Hurting women and not giving a shit
the only reason people don't recognize him is because oda wouldn't let any one die, if the people who should have died did die i think this would be totally diffrent
but I agree that croc, arlong, spandam, and Tenryuubito are awful
and they might be worse than eneru who knows
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Aokiji is lazy justice personified and would probably tell the man to sleep it of, and Garp is Luffy's grandfather through and through. But you are deluding yourself if you think Sengoku would even hesitate before ordering or performing the execution. Sengoku is Akainu with more talk, less action and a less stern.
You could be right. We haven't seen much of Sengoku - everything we have doesn't paint him in a positive light, but I don't really believe he's as insane as Akainu (and I'm sure he is, just look at him screaming about pirates in the latest chapter). With Sengoku, it could go either way.
The arguments that Akainu is evil because he kills marine deserters, slew Ace, pursues to deal the same justice to Luffy is utterly absurd.
Which is why I've repeatedly said that Akainu is not necessarily evil for doing those things. He is evil because of his actions at Ohara and because of his extreme "I am justice and everyone who disagrees with me is worthless" attitude.
_> Desertion is a crime sentenced by death, as have been said many times in this thread, especially since the marines that gathered at Marinford are supposed to be the elites and the war has high stakes. Akainu did his job. No excess, no cruelty, no vengeful murder. He did his job, and punished a crime just like any commanding officier would have ordered it.
No cruelty? He tore into him with a fist made of magma and the guy died screaming. In fact, looking at that scene, it's not even clear that the marine is running away.
There definitely are good arguments for Akainu killing a deserter, and I might accept those, but that's all. You can't say he isn't cruel (he told the man "you must not care for your family" before killing him).
_> Ace was a famous pirate, also a crime sentenced by death and furthermore, he had escaped from his execution.Luffy is a famous (rockie) pirate captain (as I'm sure you are aware of) that has stirred much trouble for the marines, least of all his massive outbreak from Impel Down - freeing many dangerous criminals. We know that Luffy is a nice guy and just wants adventures, but he is still a pirate and a trouble for peace, and piracy is still a crime sentenced to death.
Okay, so all that means is that Marines are justified in going after Luffy and Ace. But from what we've seen, they have almost no reason to consider them actually evil, and it doesn't really seem like your average marine would, even when they were trying to kill them.
But like I said, that's not really the problem. Aokiji and Kizaru both went after Luffy, but I don't really consider them bad people - same as Smoker.
Akainu is as hard a man as they come in OPverse and is hell-bent on obeying orders without question or hesitation from his superior and WG. That is his fault, he do not judge or question his superiors nor their philosophy - he just follows orders, believing in WG's policy.
And like you said, that is his fault. Following orders absolutely doesn't make him a good person, because he never had to get into that position. And it's not like he doesn't like what he does. He isn't like a normal foot soldier who sees Luffy, a criminal, and attacks because it's his job to attack pirates. He wants to kill Luffy because Luffy has a jolly roger and because he's the son of a criminal. He isn't noble or just. Even if some of his actions are justified, he is still an evil person who has never gotten a bit of characterization that would make him appear otherwise.__