Chapter 577 "The Incident Continues to Escalate"

Riou

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

Technically, we don't know if BB used his DF to absorb WB's DF. Oda seemed to be directing us towards BB's unique physique with Marco's comment.

It could've been as easy as BB plunging his hand in to WB's chest and ripping the DF out and then eating it or something more complex. Still don't know why either needed to be hidden from us or the spectators in the war unless how and where a DF shows up after it's previous user is a secret. If BB's yami yami no mi was capable of absorbing DFs I figured he'd brag about that too.

This may sound stupid but what if he wasn't hiding it? Maybe Teach needed a dark place to talk to the devil inside WB? Kinda like convincing him or something? (the devil of the DF of course).

It sound stupid but just wanted to throw that in.

Gladiator777

@KiShiDo:

I still think it is cuz of his DF,

And Zoro and Luffyprobably said them cuz they had a feeling he is a pirate with crew

which DF ? 16 character

Kishido

@Gladiator777:

which DF ? 16 character

You know the darkness fruit he have which was so unique and he was searching for his whole life

herr_sebbe

@Gladiator777:

BB got 3 Pistole.
BB got 3 Missing teeth.
BB has the power of 3 People : Thach + Teach + Newgate.

what else ? :blink:

Soon 3 Devil Fruits. But not personalities.

Gladiator777

@KiShiDo:

You know the darkness fruit he have which was so unique and he was searching for his whole life

That Makes Marco's Comment about BB's Abnormale Body Weird and Useless.:wassat:

Essam Ismail

@Dryish:

And I find it somewhat odd that you have exactly same signature as I.. :ninja:

hmmmm we should all have the same signature, we are talking here about epicbeard :getlost:

Ivotas

@herr_sebbe:

Luffy and Zoro are not psychic!!!! They just figured Teach was part of a crew!!

And the other marks don't necessarily coincide with having several personalities. Three fruits go along just as well.

I said I'm not sure what to think of it myself. I was just summarizing things for Greg. And nobody needs to be psychic. In a fictional universe such as this one a sharp instinc could be more then enough explenation if Oda should really have meant that with the Jaya scene (which I doubt myself).

Retardia

@Gladiator777:

That Makes Marco's Comment about BB's Abnormale Body Weird and Useless.:wassat:

Yeah. Oda will make Marco looks dumb if BB body is normal.
Oda must have a reason why he put that dialog in Marco.

Gladiator777

@Ivotas:

I said I'm not sure what to think of it myself. I was just summarizing things for Greg. And nobody needs to be psychic. In a fictional universe such as this one a sharp instinc could be more then enough explenation if Oda should really have meant that with the Jaya scene (which I doubt myself).

Agree.
Luffy and Zoro have a Strong instinc. for exemple :
Luffy : found out the Real Mr. 3 within his Wax Clones in No time
Zoro : Knew that the Pacifista Wasn't Kuma, he felt that something was wrong with him.

Essam Ismail

@Ivotas:

I said I'm not sure what to think of it myself. I was just summarizing things for Greg. And nobody needs to be psychic. In a fictional universe such as this one a sharp instinc could be more then enough explenation if Oda should really have meant that with the Jaya scene (which I doubt myself).

Luffy dump and stupid im sure he was meant back in Jaya that BB is part of a crew not something unique about BB

Kishido

@Retardia:

Yeah. Oda will make Marco looks dumb if BB body is normal.
Oda must have a reason why he put that dialog in Marco.

Did I say that? But I doubt he suddenly will have 3 bodies or something like that. That he got the fruit has to do something with his darkness abilities but wait for next chapter

Ivotas

@Essam:

Luffy dump and stupid im sure he was meant back in Jaya that BB is part of a crew not something unique about BB

That Luffy is a simpleton for most of the time doesn't mean that he isn't incredibly sharp when the situation requires it. We've seen so several times already.

Retardia

@KiShiDo:

Did I say that? But I doubt he suddenly will have 3 bodies or something like that. That he got the fruit has to do something with his darkness abilities but wait for next chapter

Hey.
Maybe you right that BB can absorb Gura" no mi because the Yami" no mi.
But. If he do that without having an abnormal body. He will die.

Think this.

hunaruto

sorry to interupt….
i am new her soo be gentel white me ....(and i apalogies for the bad englih)

i read that everry one are using Zoro and Luffy coment as an argument for ther multi persenality of BB.
but what if tey ae refering to all the other on the islnd who nows about sky islland , if my memory was correct nami was telling to luffy that hi may new somthing about sky island ,and then they said THEM not hi refering to the other persens there..

this what my mind telld me …soo exept it or throw it

Ivotas

@hunaruto:

sorry to interupt….
i am new her soo be gentel white me ....(and i apalogies for the bad englih)

i read that everry one are using Zoro and Luffy coment as an argument for ther multi persenality of BB.
but what if tey ae refering to all the other on the islnd who nows about sky islland , if my memory was correct nami was telling to luffy that hi may new somthing about sky island ,and then they said THEM not hi refering to the other persens there..

this what my mind telld me …soo exept it or throw it

First of welcome aboard.

Secondly, yep, it probably means that they just meant Teach had a crew. Up until this very chapter now there was never any other interpretion of it and it's still the most valid one. The thing is though, that it was never really cleared up by Luffy and Zoro saying something like "yes, we meant that he has companions" the statement remains vague and thus gives room for the speculation we're having right now.

I personally still wouldn't place my bets for the latter to be true. But with all what we have so far and with Oda being the writter the possibility does in fact really exists that Luffy and Zoro meant exactly that.

Czechmate

@Greg:

There are times when chapters give you a lot to talk about. Say for instance what we were left with for the break a while back. That was sick.

You could talk about that forever.

But with a chapter like this that's borderline game-changer for the series, it's so big, you really can't say anything.

However… I was also a little sad about the events.

BB absorbing powers by means of his fruit; kinda expected that the moment they pulled out the cloth. It's a theory one of my students offered about a year and a half ago (that I found out I actually posted here thanks to a reminder from brennen). So no big surprise there other than that he can get them from someone on the verge of death or dead. Again, we dunno how the fruits work or are sent back into another fruit after a user dies so there's some mystery there but nothing really worth speculating on.

The other point being...I dunno if I'm really happy with the absorbing power thing. It'd be nice if he has some kind of limit but it kinda sucks ass that he can do that and it will suck even more ass if there aren't any consequences from it. It's way too powerful and why, for instance, didn't he absorb other abilities along the way. If the user has to die or be dying it makes perfect sense why he didn't take Ace's power but everyone else he came across??? I hope Oda limits it somehow.

And as far as the changing of the age. Didn't everyone know that was coming?

I dunno. I didn't dislike the chapter but it was one of those few that come along where everything we've speculated for years played out exactly as expected and that's...a little bit disappointing actually.

But it's still neat. I just want them to get out NOW and start whatever it is that's coming.

I really doubt Oda will have Teach absorb yet more powers. I'm hoping it'll just be the Gura Gura no Mi, and that's the one he's been after all this time, which is why that's the only one he took.

Tack1

Honestly, i dont see how you can interpret Marco's words to mean that Teach is more than one person,has multiple personalities and so on. The first part of the sentence is being completely ignored.

http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/577-69/15

"But as you ALL know,…." Which means that BB's abnormality is kinda common knowledge. Like, for instance that he has the Yami Yami fruit (being more than one person definitely does not count as something everybody knows). The body abnormality Marco is most probably referring to is BB's logia darkness body. Which as you all know does not let stuff pass by, but sucks them in.

Now my theory on how BB can steal abilitys is simple - its part of his fruit, as he stated during his fight with Ace here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/05/ his fruit gives him the ability to pull in everything, and as he said here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/11/ he does not negate, but "leeches" the ability users power, making him unable to use his fruit powers. So he can just pull out the "devil" out of a person into his own body, which can pull in stuff, so as long as that devil is in his body he gets the power. Now for the speculation, the reason why BB cant take the ability of a live person is because the "fruit devil" is bound to the user, but once the user dies, its no longer bound to anything and later on grows into a new fruit. So i guess between the death of the fruit user and the regrowth of the fruit, there is an opportunity to, using the yami fruit, get another persons ability

Thatanas

@Tack1:

Honestly, i dont see how you can interpret Marco's words to mean that Teach is more than one person,has multiple personalities and so on. The first part of the sentence is being completely ignored.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/577/16-17/

"But as you ALL know,…." Which means that BB's abnormality is kinda common knowledge. Like, for instance that he has the Yami Yami fruit (being more than one person definitely does not count as something everybody knows). The body abnormality Marco is most probably referring to is BB's logia darkness body. Which as you all know does not let stuff pass by, but sucks them in.

Now my theory on how BB can steal abilitys is simple - its part of his fruit, as he stated during his fight with Ace here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/05/ his fruit gives him the ability to pull in everything, and as he said here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/11/ he does not negate, but "leeches" the ability users power, making him unable to use his fruit powers. So he can just pull out the "devil" out of a person into his own body, which can pull in stuff, so as long as that devil is in his body he gets the power. Now for the speculation, the reason why BB cant take the ability of a live person is because the "fruit devil" is bound to the user, but once the user dies, its no longer bound to anything and later on grows into a new fruit. So i guess between the death of the fruit user and the regrowth of the fruit, there is an opportunity to, using the yami fruit, get another persons ability

I'm not saying you're wrong, but onemanga isn't the site known for their topnotch scanlations, they often have mistakes and such. So basically, when trying to proof stuff you might not want to use onemanga scanlations but others..

Zirror

@Tack1:

Honestly, i dont see how you can interpret Marco's words to mean that Teach is more than one person,has multiple personalities and so on. The first part of the sentence is being completely ignored.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/577/16-17/

"But as you ALL know,…."

And why would they know that again?
He killed thatch and ran off with the Devil Fruit eaten or not.
I highly doubt that all of them knew what kind of power that had.
a DF does definetly not count as an 'abnormal body'.

Furthermore, he might only be refering the the WB Pirates and/or pirates closely affiliated to WB, therefore they might have known about body annormalies like conjoined twins/multiple personality by simply living together (i.e. showering, friendly conversation, when his persona suddenly changes etc.)

Edit:
Furthermore, you are of course right that the reason Blackbeard can 'get' the devil, is because of his DF
But the reason why he is not dieing even though he has two of them, is because of his 'abnormal body' which will be revealed.
He himself was not sure if he would be able to survive getting the 2nd DF, as you migh have realized while reading the most recent chapter.
"If he fails, will we split up"
"You did it captain!!" as if they were suprised.

Shichibukai

Anyone else think Akainu deserves the third major death in this arc after all he did?

-protected Marineford from a giant iceberg
-made one of Newgate's sons betray him
-destroyed Moby Dick
-stopped Newgate's rampage
-charged into enemy territory and killed Ace
-ripped off half of Newgate's face
-survived massive quakes from a blood lusted Newgate

Nobody comes close.

wintergt

Ya the "as you all know" comment speaks against it just being his DF. Ace didn't seem to know about Teach's power at all so why would the other WB pirates? Most likely something up with Teach that still has to be revealed, like a failed experiment done on him or w/e.

mp44christos

@Thatanas:

I'm not saying you're wrong, but onemanga isn't the site known for their topnotch scanlations, they often have mistakes and such. So basically, when trying to proof stuff you might not want to use onemanga scanlations but others..

Scans from null:

Onemanga is shit i always wonder why people use it?

Ivotas

@Tack1:

…
"But as you ALL know,…." Which means that BB's abnormality is kinda common knowledge. Like, for instance that he has the Yami Yami fruit (being more than one person definitely does not count as something everybody knows). The body abnormality Marco is most probably referring to is BB's logia darkness body. Which as you all know does not let stuff pass by, but sucks them in….

Common knowledge to the Whitebeard Pirates. That doesn't mean that anybody else knows about it. Heck, Sengoku himself stated that he has never heard of Teach albeit the latter being a Whitebeard Pirate for several decades.

Tack1

@Ivotas:

Common knowledge to the Whitebeard Pirates. That doesn't mean that anybody else knows about it. Heck, Sengoku himself stated that he has never heard of Teach albeit the latter being a Whitebeard Pirate for several decades.

So, which would you say is more knowable that BB is a conjoined twin or his DF and abnormal logia body? Like in a normal conversation if you were Marco would you say:

a) Hey, BB is actually a conjoined twin, that sure is abnormal!
b) Hey, BB is a walking black hole, is his body abnormal or what!

wintergt

@Tack1:

So, which would you say is more knowable that BB is a conjoined twin or his DF and abnormal logia body? Like in a normal conversation if you were Marco would you say:

a) Hey, BB is actually a conjoined twin, that sure is abnormal!
b) Hey, BB is a walking black hole, is his body abnormal or what!

probably option c). Something else that isn't a conjoined or his DF is Blackbeard's abnormality and this still has to be revealed.

Although I have to admit that "multiple people" is still an option, but I'm guessing two, not three, and people are going about the wrong way of trying to prove this theory anyway.

isrnick

There is nothing abnormal about he being a walking black hole, since this is due to an DF ability. Or they would have to consider any DF user to have an abnormal body.

ctarlong910

@Tack1:

So, which would you say is more knowable that BB is a conjoined twin or his DF and abnormal logia body? Like in a normal conversation if you were Marco would you say:

a) Hey, BB is actually a conjoined twin, that sure is abnormal!
b) Hey, BB is a walking black hole, is his body abnormal or what!

Neither, who would ever say either of those things?

Tack1

@isrnick:

There is nothing abnormal about he being a walking black hole, since this is due to an DF ability. Or they would have to consider any DF user to have an abnormal body.

Exactly, all DF users have abnormal bodys, I mean in teh OP universe df users are still considered rare and a logia who cant let stuff pass through him = abnormal body.

isrnick

@Tack1:

Exactly, all DF users have abnormal bodys, I mean in teh OP universe df users are still considered rare and a logia who cant let stuff pass through him = abnormal body.

If that was the case, why would Marco bother to make such an obvious and useless comment as answer for the "1 person with 2 DFs abilities" question??

And why to say something obscure like "his body is abnormal", while he could simply to say something like "it probably has something to do with his DF ability"??

And lets not forget that the WB pirates knew nothing about BB's ability, all they know about it they have just discovered through the fight between WB and BB, and BB's explanation about it. (Proven by the fact that Ace knew nothing about BB's ability when they fought against each other.)

Whatever it is, that they all know, has to be something he already was capable of even before he stole the DF from Tatch and run away from the WB's ships. Because that is all that all of them could possibly know about BB.

flandrian15

about the 2 fruits thing. It is probably not because of his DF that he can do this. Marco commented on his abnormal body when he spoke to the WB crew and they know Teach from before he gained his ability. This can be easily derived from the fact that he had to kill Tatch to gain the fruit and no man would be stupid enough to kill one of WB's sons and stay in the crew so that means the WBcrew simply don't know what happened to Teachs' body after he ate the fruit, so his strange body was there already. The fruit only makes him able to steal a fruit from a dying body because his gravity can attrackt anything so also a DF power I would reckon. When a person dies normally (I think) the power leaves this person and plants itself again to be reborn after 50 years but because of his power of the yami yami no mi he can gain the ability within this process.
Now, as for his abnormal body, I will not comment on that because, knowing Oda, he could come up with about anything and guessing at it has no use because we could find a 1000 answers and they will all be wrong anyway

Sir Television

"Darkness is Gravity!" - A very unpredictable fruit

flandrian15

@Sir:

"Darkness is Gravity!" - When that's true, they're doesn't have to be any sense behind blackbeards fruit… Just waiting for 578 where it's proven that Blackbeard can create small unicorn, who can cure some secondgraters readings problems while singing Bryan Adams and dancing breakdancing.

you really went overboard with that one. . .

Sir Television

@flandrian15:

you really went overboard with that one. . .

Sorry, dude. Fixed it.

killersteak

"And my body sucks in 'pain' more than anything else."

Huh… That answers some of my questions. And it's still possible to injure him? He was poisoned...

mab

i wish there is someone that update us about the new chapter if anything is up

phoenix_fire

@Sir:

Sorry, dude. Fixed it.

Just wait until BB really gained a hax unicorn DF in the future. You will regret for ever and ever that you have edited your correct prediction.

baby-boo

I hope they take Crocodile with them. Bad gus, but helped Luffy and understands what WB death means.

I wish Buggy and Shanks meet someday, but the chanses of Buggy getting into the New World are low. But since it's Buggy, he might get there.

Since Luffy is really gonna be motivated to become stronger after all of this, the rest of the crew are gonna have to push themselves as well to keep up with Luffy. They liked Ace, those who met him.

DarkHamster

Does anyone think he's going to do a campaign against the other Yonkou now?

igoLman

BB is like Cell of Dragon Ball Z.

Zik

FYI to someone who mentioned it BB has 4 guns not 3.
@Riou:

This may sound stupid but what if he wasn't hiding it? Maybe Teach needed a dark place to talk to the devil inside WB? Kinda like convincing him or something? (the devil of the DF of course).

It sound stupid but just wanted to throw that in.

If he needed a dark place using his yami yami no mi is far better than talking under a black blanket.

Also this whole notion of talking to the devil in the fruit is foreign to me. That's like real out there speculation. BB convincing him wasn't a sure thing either. I'd prefer to think he just ate the DF.

Mugiwara Kaizoku

Why is everyone always assuming that Blackbeard consists of mutiple people? Did he ever show some sort of twisted personality? I think he's pretty consistent in being himself.

With the possility of objects eating Devil Fruits, why wouldn't BB have first met and joined the WB pirates heavily wounded and maimed, and got some prosthesises to make up for his loss… i'm not nessesarily taking about visible prosthesises like limbs, more like he's got a fake belly or something. When he joined in such a state, everyone in the crew would know he ain't got a "normal" body anymore.

I'm not saying that i believe this over any other theory, but it has similar chances as being mutiple persons or being combined with animals or something...

His flag could also mean that they used 2 different persons' bones to recover his current body structure or something, that would mean, he didn't use conventional prosthesises

LiuKang

At first I thought Coby would be the last fight for Luffy, but after seeing BB I think it's clear that this will be him

Riou

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

If he needed a dark place using his yami yami no mi is far better than talking under a black blanket.

Also this whole notion of talking to the devil in the fruit is foreign to me. That's like real out there speculation. BB convincing him wasn't a sure thing either. I'd prefer to think he just ate the DF.

Yea guess you're right, eating it sounds more… Oda-ish :P.

Guess I should have taken that to the dumb theories or theories that doesn't deserve their own threads :).

AlnaJames

God, I SO hope Oda gives us a DESCENT colourspread! _
Not sure if it was mentioned here or not, but we have SJ cover + colourspread with 578.

frej

@Riou:

Yea guess you're right, eating it sounds more… Oda-ish :P.

Guess I should have taken that to the dumb theories or theories that doesn't deserve their own threads :).

If i had to eat something that someone already ate,
then i would really prefer to be alone in a dark place:sick:

Ivotas

@Tack1:

So, which would you say is more knowable that BB is a conjoined twin or his DF and abnormal logia body? Like in a normal conversation if you were Marco would you say:

The fact that Teach had to explain to Ace (his former commander) what the Darkness Fruit actually does and that the fact that the latter seemed to have been totally clueless until then indicates that the properties of the Darkness Fruit weren't common knowledge among the Whitebeard Pirates. Furthermore he ate the fruit after he stole it from Thatch, which most likely means after he killed said character. I doubt that after commiting this crime he took the time to explain the properties of the fruit to the people he just betrayed. It's more likely that ran away as soon as he got his hands on what he's been waiting for all those years.

Furthermore Marco specifically points out Teach's body and not his DF ability. So of course it is fair game to assume that it is refering to Teach's anatomy.

GaaraofTheDesert

If Croc leaves he should at least get Whitey Bay as a hostage.

Jazzy Jinx

Whitey Bay would curbstomp him with her White Bay-esque qualities.

GaaraofTheDesert

@Uncle:

Whitey Bay would curbstomp him with her White Bay-esque qualities.

No she would let him take her, she is destined to be his 1st new crewmate.:happy:

Muda Muda no Mi

Also, regarding sucking in DF powers, "leeching" DF powers, etc.

….hasn't Blackbeard only displayed his Kurouzu (Black Hole/Darkness Water/whatever) against only DF users? He did it to Ace, Luffy, and WB so far, so wouldn't it be safe to say (for the time being) that it would only work against DF users…and in essence, would help strengthen the "Sucking in DF powers" argument?