A PX can be killed by Law and Kidd (200m+310m=510m)
But now Zoro killed 1 PX 1 hit with a bounty of 160.000.000b I'm sure Zoro now is worth more than 400m and Luffy more than 600m.
A PX can be killed by Law and Kidd (200m+310m=510m)
But now Zoro killed 1 PX 1 hit with a bounty of 160.000.000b I'm sure Zoro now is worth more than 400m and Luffy more than 600m.
A PX can be killed by Law and Kidd (200m+310m=510m)
But now Zoro killed 1 PX 1 hit with a bounty of 160.000.000b I'm sure Zoro now is worth more than 400m and Luffy more than 600m.
Again, bounty doesn't reflect strength alone. This has been stressed.
Also I have also stressed that people have an easier time fighting against PX's depending on their DF powers.
A PX can be killed by Law and Kidd (200m+310m=510m)
But now Zoro killed 1 PX 1 hit with a bounty of 160.000.000b I'm sure Zoro now is worth more than 400m and Luffy more than 600m.
bounty doesnt work like that. for a start, its more of a reflection of threat to the WG than strength (though they correlate). also, the higher you go up, the harder it is to increase it further. it just makes far more sense that way xD you would be getting people with RIDICULOUSLY high bounties if it works like youre suggesting
Jozu didn't get slapped around by an admiral like Luffy did. He was a definite threat to Aokiji, even if he lost in the end, which is something that Luffy could never say before the timeskip. Luffy and Jozu were clearly in totally different leagues of strength at the time, which is the point here.
But you brought Jozu into the discussion and why are we now talking about Luffy compared to Jozu in strenght?
I was never comparing him to Luffy or someone else and would also say that Jozu was stronger as Luffy pre-timeskip.
I was just saying that most of the pirates(which we have seen so far, including NW captn`s and other good fighters, which includes Luffy) are no match for an admiral and only a few guys we have seen so far could take on an admiral.
By that i wanted to show you that your point of saying:
@Urouge:
Bounties aren't based on fireworks. The fact of the matter is that Luffy got slapped around by any admiral that found him. He didn't even stand a chance.
an admiral could slap you around isn`t rly something you can consider when we talk about strenght-levels of two pirates with differnet bountys, because nearly everyone get his ass kicked against an admiral who are on top of the worlds list of top-fighters.
Jozu may could fight an admiral a little longer but also Luffy was able to hold an admiral(actually all three of them) for a while.
So both lose against them nearly equally,even when one is much stronger than the other one and their bountys could be miles away from each other.
No, it's much more heavily weighted to strength (unless you're counting strength as a threat I suppose, but the way you word it makes me think you don't).
Youre right with saying that strenght is more heavily weighted because an outlaw who is stronger is also automatically a greater threat to the WG. We are talking about outlaws who are always acting against the WG(just by being pirates) and by being stronger they can
t be stopped easily anymore by the marines in whatever they do, even when its not directly against the WG. I just wanted to say that the really high bountys could just be reached when you
re specifically act against the WG(like going against their system or trying to announce what happend the void century)and not just do your stuff as pirate like fighting the marines and slaughter people.
Ok, I admit it. I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. :sad:
If it's something like "stuff that happened in the past stays in the past" then you're probably on the right track.
Mhh, i dont think i put my point that cryptic but okay: The first time you may act against the WG they not automatically see you as such a threat like Dragon or someone like that. Just when you act against them all the time over years they start seeing you as a real threat and by that adding this fact to your bounty. As we already said, we both don
t think that Luffys actions at EL were considered in his bounty instead of his strenght to that point.
I was saying that now after future events(after the timeskip) the WG will finally see Luffy as a real threat to them, because he acted then many times against the WG over the years and by that they have no other choice as to put that also in his bounty.
So when a rookie does act one or two times against the WG they see him as dangerous but not instantly as a main fighter against them(he is afterall a pirate).
But when his actions are for years against them and they couldn`t stop him in that time, they will see him as a main threat and will so raise his bounty while considering that fact, which will most likely put him on a whole new bounty-level.(strenght + real threat to the WG)
@Don:
But you brought Jozu into the discussion and why are we now talking about Luffy compared to Jozu in strenght?
I was never comparing him to Luffy or someone else and would also say that Jozu was stronger as Luffy pre-timeskip.I was just saying that most of the pirates(which we have seen so far, including NW captn`s and other good fighters, which includes Luffy) are no match for an admiral and only a few guys we have seen so far could take on an admiral.
By that i wanted to show you that your point of saying:an admiral could slap you around isn`t rly something you can consider when we talk about strenght-levels of two pirates with differnet bountys, because nearly everyone get his ass kicked against an admiral who are on top of the worlds list of top-fighters.
Jozu may could fight an admiral a little longer but also Luffy was able to hold an admiral(actually all three of them) for a while.
So both lose against them nearly equally,even when one is much stronger than the other one and their bountys could be miles away from each other.
Ok, let me try to explain this a different way. Luffy wasn't even strong enough to HURT an admiral before the timeskip. Therefore he couldn't put up a fight. He managed to distract the 3 admirals, but he never once presented himself as a threat to defeat them.
Jozu and Vista showed that they can hurt an admiral. Regardless of whether or not they win, they present a threat. They're part of another league altogether. They are far from the only ones in that league, and the bounties will reflect the change.
I choose "whether or not you can hurt an admiral" because it's a tangible example that gets the point across.
You
re right with saying that strenght is more heavily weighted because an outlaw who is stronger is also automatically a greater threat to the WG. We are talking about outlaws who are always acting against the WG(just by being pirates) and by being stronger they can
t be stopped easily anymore by the marines in whatever they do, even when its not directly against the WG. I just wanted to say that the really high bountys could just be reached when you
re specifically act against the WG(like going against their system or trying to announce what happend the void century)and not just do your stuff as pirate like fighting the marines and slaughter people.Mhh, i don
t think i put my point that cryptic but okay: The first time you may act against the WG they not automatically see you as such a threat like Dragon or someone like that. Just when you act against them all the time over years they start seeing you as a real threat and by that adding this fact to your bounty. As we already said, we both don
t think that Luffys actions at EL were considered in his bounty instead of his strenght to that point.
I was saying that now after future events(after the timeskip) the WG will finally see Luffy as a real threat to them, because he acted then many times against the WG over the years and by that they have no other choice as to put that also in his bounty.
So when a rookie does act one or two times against the WG they see him as dangerous but not instantly as a main fighter against them(he is afterall a pirate).
But when his actions are for years against them and they couldn`t stop him in that time, they will see him as a main threat and will so raise his bounty while considering that fact, which will most likely put him on a whole new bounty-level.(strenght + real threat to the WG)
You're probably right, but that kind of stuff wouldn't appear in the story until it's already up into the billions. And plenty of people will be at that level without it.
@Don:
Who in his right mind would take over islands which are gathering places for marines…
Afterall the yonkous took over islands where the marines werent present and were able to hold them over the years and here comes the question why the yonkous could hold them? It
s just like with the Shabondy Archipelago..there are also lawless zones but the marines arent fighting for them with all they have. The WG\marines doesn
t rly care for islands which are not part of their community and so why risking high losses in fighting huge pirate crews, when they don`t have to protect those islands.(as long as there is nothing rly important for them on it)
You're underestimating how strong the Emperors are.
Just one Emperor and his allies were enough to bring the Marines to the brink, at their place of strength, with all of their forces gathered.
It's highly unlikely that they had the ability to project that kind of force in the New World, at least until the timeskip. The whole Marineford war was pretty much a way for the marines to weaken the pirates rule over the new world.
@Don:
So naturally not every pirate does conquer islands because they couldn`t rule them anyways without a fix territory like the yonkou established and the rest is protected by the WG so not rly easy money.
Afterall would a pirate conquer an island of the WG he would be a greater threat as someone like WB who ruled over such places like FI which wasn
t even claimed by the WG after WB
s dead…it was more open for everyone who wants to take it and so BigMum took it.
Uh, not really. While a pirate taking over a WG country would be a big deal, do you think that the WG are happy that they don't control a huge swathe of the grand line? And that being the part closest to One Piece, which they fear?
@Don:
Well, it was still a secret organisation where even the members didn
t know until the end who the leader was. The WG sure has an eye on them but let them do as they which as long as they make no open trouble and do as their contract says. But that they don
t look close enough…well they sure know that they get betrayed somehow but still the shichibukai is one of the 3 forces of the world, so they can be suspicious but still also need them.
This is just on memory, but…
Warlords who have betrayed/refused them:
Moria
Crocodile
Teach
Hancock
Jinbe
Kuma
mihawk does what he wants, and dofla obviously has something cooking.
Of all of that chicanery, none of them were found out by the WG itself.
Ok, let me try to explain this a different way. Luffy wasn't even strong enough to HURT an admiral before the timeskip. Therefore he couldn't put up a fight. He managed to distract the 3 admirals, but he never once presented himself as a threat to defeat them.
[…]
I choose "whether or not you can hurt an admiral" because it's a tangible example that gets the point across.
Yeah, now i get your point better and that also makes for me a separabel line between two powerlevels.
Wether or not you`re able to hurt an admiral is addicted to the fact that you can use haki or to put it more in context..the stronger you are.(because haki grows with your strenght)
You're probably right, but that kind of stuff wouldn't appear in the story until it's already up into the billions. And plenty of people will be at that level without it.
Thats rly still up in the air and i already tried to point out in previous posts why i personally think that we won`t reach much higher bountys as (ca.1.5-2billion for Dragon,Gol.D) and yonkou-level bounty(around 1 billion)where a few so far unknown pirates will sure also be resident with their bountys.
You're underestimating how strong the Emperors are.
Just one Emperor and his allies were enough to bring the Marines to the brink, at their place of strength, with all of their forces gathered.
It's highly unlikely that they had the ability to project that kind of force in the New World, at least until the timeskip. The whole Marineford war was pretty much a way for the marines to weaken the pirates rule over the new world.
Thats still a thing that bothers me that just ONE freaking crew is enough to battle the whole marine.
So the 3 powers(marines\shichibukai\yonkou) seems to be just a phase because not the WG has everything under control..it would be their end the moment two yonkous would team up, because each yonkou seems to be able to battle the whole marine+shichibukai.
But thats another thing and i agree with you because even when it bothers me we saw it with our own eyes at the war.
Uh, not really. While a pirate taking over a WG country would be a big deal, do you think that the WG are happy that they don't control a huge swathe of the grand line? And that being the part closest to One Piece, which they fear?
Iam also sure that the marines\WG would like to have more control in the NW, but like you said the emperors are just such a powerful force, that going against them would definitely bring huge losses, which would bring them to a disadvantage, because another emporor could so go against the weakend marine\WG.
So it wouldnt be worth for the marines to claim a yonkou-territory as long as they don
t spcifically need an island there.
The war was a great opportunity to weaken the yonkou and so they gained more influence in the NW(building there the new NavyHQ) because as the worldpower they sure hate to see that such a big region is in control of some pirates….but afterall they didnt even claim FI after WB was no longer protecting it, which shows me that they don
t care for specific islands, instead of just their "ego" to not totally control everything on the world.
But the Gorousei arent some idiots which would risk everything to get a region they don
t rly need...they now with time they will have their chance to conquer it by erasing the whole pirate-era.
Warlords who have betrayed/refused them:
Moria
Crocodile
Teach
Hancock
Jinbe
KumaOf all of that chicanery, none of them were found out by the WG itself.
You`re right, but afterall they were still fighting for them at the war.
(and well Jinbe they found out that he is against them and so put him into ID)
@Don:
Thats still a thing that bothers me that just ONE freaking crew is enough to battle the whole marine.
So the 3 powers(marines\shichibukai\yonkou) seems to be just a phase because not the WG has everything under control..it would be their end the moment two yonkous would team up, because each yonkou seems to be able to battle the whole marine+shichibukai.
But thats another thing and i agree with you because even when it bothers me we saw it with our own eyes at the war.
Yonkou don't team up, the entire point of the Yonkou is that it is a warring faction against 3 other warring factions maintaining control of highly sought after territory, as you saw Kaidou didn't hesitate to attack WB when he saw he would be cornered, and despite Shanks helping him, he didn't do the most obvious thing which is to ally with him in the war in order to erase the World Government.
They have no desire to attack the world government, they are self-ruling states with their own version of the marines within their ranks. (IE: as we saw one of Kaidou's crew stating this territory belonged to Kaidou, leave or face his wrath, they protect islands from pirates just as the marines do in Paradise).
They found out about Teach at the war and we can't be sure about Kuma at all since the reason for him becoming a pacifista is unclear at this time. They probably didn't know about his ties with the revolutionaries seeing that sending him to go after the SH's would be plain idiocy from the WG-side but they already showed they sometimes do not utilise the best tactics.
Dofla did say though that he did not know what kind of ties Ivankov had with Kuma while he, at times, seems quite all-knowing.
Anyway Doflamingo had a point, aside from Jinbe and Teach, the shichibukai did fight on the government side. Boa switched sides though when Luffy was in some kind of danger. I believe most shichibukai have something to lose if they disobey orders from the WG like Boa.
@ Don Quichotte
Sure, bounties come from strength/threat to the WG, but if we look @ Kidd we have a weird case.
Ok, he is rly strong with his DF, manipulating metal rly is a dangerous ability.
Luffy "officially" destroyed EL and declared war to the WG.
Nevertheless his bounty was lower back then than Kidd's, who "only" killed a whole lot of civil people. IDK how that can be more of a threat than destroying one of the 4 most important facilities we've seen so far of the WG (4 because there are EL, MF, ID and MJ so far).
And I was a bit disappointed that he only had a bounty increase of 100mio after sending a tenryuubito flying (let alone the incidents @ ID and MF).
These acts should have doubled his bounty at least, but thats my opinion.
And I doubt that the crew of Luffy will get as nearly high bounties as him (except Zoro and Sanji).
If we look at Zoro's last increase we see that the WG pays more attention to a crew's captain than to his crew so far. We can be happy if each one of the monster trio will surpass the 200 or 300mio mark in the end of the story.
@Don:
You`re right, but afterall they were still fighting for them at the war.
(and well Jinbe they found out that he is against them and so put him into ID)
Jinbe actually told them himself though.
Which is what makes him such an idiot, if he'd lied to them he'd have been able to do some real damage from behind enemy lines, maybe even rescue ace.
But he didn't because his pride is apparently stronger then the debt he feels towards Newgate.
So they wouldn't have found out otherwise - remember sengoku was surprised when he heard Jinbe refused to fight.
Which basically means the WG's intelligence is useless when it comes to Warlords.
Jinbe actually told them himself though.
Which is what makes him such an idiot, if he'd lied to them he'd have been able to do some real damage from behind enemy lines, maybe even rescue ace.
But he didn't because his pride is apparently stronger then the debt he feels towards Newgate.So they wouldn't have found out otherwise - remember sengoku was surprised when he heard Jinbe refused to fight.
Which basically means the WG's intelligence is useless when it comes to Warlords.
I doubt that plan would have worked out so well. It's just him fighting alone against admirals and shichibukai while the WB pirates try to advance. Sure anyone can grab Ace but if you don't have the path cleared for retreat then you're going to meet with a lot of resistance.
Anyways, him ending up in ID worked out pretty well for luffy and the other escapees. And in the end the arrival of ID prisoners had a greater impact on the war than Jinbei simply attempting to trick the marines, which would have failed miserably. So unintentional or not, Jinbei chose the right course of action.
Also Sengoku surely knew about Jinbei's gratitude to WB but he probably didn't care
@Mr.:
I doubt that plan would have worked out so well. It's just him fighting alone against admirals and shichibukai while the WB pirates try to advance. Sure anyone can grab Ace but if you don't have the path cleared for retreat then you're going to meet with a lot of resistance.
Anyways, him ending up in ID worked out pretty well for luffy and the other escapees. And in the end the arrival of ID prisoners had a greater impact on the war than Jinbei simply attempting to trick the marines, which would have failed miserably. So unintentional or not, Jinbei chose the right course of action.v
From Jinbe's perspective it'd have been the best he could have done.
@Mr.:
Also Sengoku surely knew about Jinbei's gratitude to WB but he probably didn't care
He thought Jinbe the most likely to fight Newgate.
That's how well they know the Warlords.
Yonkou don't team up, the entire point of the Yonkou is that it is a warring faction against 3 other warring factions maintaining control of highly sought after territory, as you saw Kaidou didn't hesitate to attack WB when he saw he would be cornered, and despite Shanks helping him, he didn't do the most obvious thing which is to ally with him in the war in order to erase the World Government.
Yeah, thats sure the case.
But i hope you understand my concern that when they WOULD team up(let us say because they would see a benefit in destroying the WG) the yonkou would be the dominating power of the world.(and for that it would be enough when 2-3 team up)
That sure doesnt happen so far (but somehow i think Luffy will make it possible in the end of the story) but it
s still kind of a lottery for the WG that those 4 powers(the yonkou) don`t get along because they try to protect their own territory from each other.
Jinbe actually told them himself though.
Which is what makes him such an idiot, if he'd lied to them he'd have been able to do some real damage from behind enemy lines, maybe even rescue ace.
But he didn't because his pride is apparently stronger then the debt he feels towards Newgate.So they wouldn't have found out otherwise - remember sengoku was surprised when he heard Jinbe refused to fight.
Which basically means the WG's intelligence is useless when it comes to Warlords.
Jinbe is afterall just a fish and so an idiot
But yeah i agree with you that the marines are morons who should know better that they get betrayed all the time by them.
But afterall i explain that behaviour to myself like that:
They need those shichibukai.
Those are powerful pirates who have everywhere a big name and they cant just drop them because they may have some clues against them.(hell, they even let Moria still be part of it, after knowing about his defeat and his zombie armee, because they needed him in the war and it would also bring a bad light to them when all the time they would announce new shichibukai…after the war they than finally dropped him(or tried so)) The shichibukai are pirates, so the WG and marines already knew that they could just bind them flighty and not making them puppys of the WG. It
s afterall one of the three mighy powers of the world and so they need to keep them constant.
Even after knowing that now 2-3(Croc,Jinbe,BB) just used them, they still are searching to refill their spots, because by those cases it was now ineluctable.
They could also just drop the whole shichibukai issue so that no pirates could betray them like that...but for that this power is too important.
So they keep them even with such high risks.
Sure, bounties come from strength/threat to the WG, but if we look @ Kidd we have a weird case.
Nevertheless his bounty was lower back then than Kidd's, who "only" killed a whole lot of civil people. IDK how that can be more of a threat than destroying one of the 4 most important facilities we've seen so far of the WG (4 because there are EL, MF, ID and MJ so far).
The last pages i already discussed with others that the bounty didn`t include Luffys threat to the WG instead of just his "strenght" to that point.
You may want to check the last 1-2 pages of this thread for that.
Kidds bounty is in my eyes nearly the highest you could get as a rookie where only the strenght is included.
Killing many innocents and marines shows how brutal and bloodthirstly this guy is (also for example Caribou who has nearly 200 million) which gave him a massive boost in his bounty because he is dangerous for everyone and so the WG gave him such a high rookie-bounty to get rid off him quickly.
But still his countless kills are just added in his bounty as "strenght" in my eyes, because as you said yourself, actions like Luffy did are much more of a threat as Kidds action, which can actually be called "normal stuff" a pirate does.
Even after knowing that now 2-3(Croc,Jinbe,BB) just used them, they still are searching to refill their spots, because by those cases it was now ineluctable.
I just wanted to add Hancock to that list that's all ;D
Edit Oh yeah the government doesn't know about that do they!? … Than never mind :D
Hey every one what do you think the New Bounties in One Piece are? what do you think Monkey D Luffy's new bounty is and Captain Buggys new bounty is and Zoros new bounty and Usopp Nami Blackbeard Monkey D Dragon Shanks etc…... can some one give me a list of there predications?.
i know Buggys bounty had to go up they know he helped Luffy escape from Impel Dawn and he fought against the marines but how much?
Zoro and Luffy's bounties were already revealed in the manga, so don't look at the spoiler unless you really wish to know.
! Luffy: 400,000,000 Beli
Zoro: 160,000,000 Beli
i know Luffy and Zoros bountys 400,000,000 and 160,000,000 but how high do you think Sanji Usopp Buggy Nami Chopper etc… Bountys
@South:
i know Luffy and Zoros bountys 400,000,000 and 160,000,000 but how high do you think Sanji Usopp Buggy Nami Chopper etc… Bountys
You're obviously new here. Take this discussion to the Manga forum to prevent spoilers for other new members.
I believe this thread does not belong here, good sir.
I just wanted to add Hancock to that list that's all ;D
Edit Oh yeah the government doesn't know about that do they!? … Than never mind :D
Well for that matter Moria probably won't be working for the government anymore :ninja:
Doflamingo had his own plans all along and probably will leave the Marines as soon as it's convenient for his plans to do so…
Kuma has been pretty much fucking up the world government's plans since day one..
TBH Mihawk, ironically, seems like the only Shichibukai without some hidden agenda or plan to betray the government later on :getlost:
Well for that matter Moria probably won't be working for the government anymore :ninja:
Doflamingo had his own plans all along and probably will leave the Marines as soon as it's convenient for his plans to do so…
Kuma has been pretty much fucking up the world government's plans since day one..
TBH Mihawk, ironically, seems like the only Shichibukai without some hidden agenda or plan to betray the government later on :getlost:
We don't know that. Well not sure if you can call it a plan or agenda but an inflict betwen Shanks and the WG might turn him to Shank's side. I think it is what should have happen.
You're obviously new here. Take this discussion to the Manga forum to prevent spoilers for other new members.
This isn't the manga forum? Damn, I'm lost too then. :ninja:
Er…Could you direct me to the manga forum? Everytime I think I find it I just get looped back here, it's crazy yall. But like you said the thread I'm looking for is elsewhere, so I'll keep trying.
Anyways, Chopper deserves a real bounty this time, in my opinion. The pet business isn't too valuable to be a running gag.
A new topic posted by South Kaioshin Daniel in the Anime section got merged into this thread. So, you really are in the right spot.
@South:
i know Luffy and Zoros bountys 400,000,000 and 160,000,000 but how high do you think Sanji Usopp Buggy Nami Chopper etc… Bountys
the other crew boounty are still the same..it's clarly visible in the manga….
the only one who could get an improve is franky. his bounty is not visible like the zoro's one...so i suppose franky will get a raised bounty
Nami's bounty went up to 18,000,000.
@Dr.:
Nami's bounty went up to 18,000,000.
no, it doesn't.
The six seems an eight. the ink was run.
I hope they keep Blackbeards crew's bounties unknown. I like the fact that Blackhole beard has or at least had a bounty of zero. The prisoners he broke out were so bad they were erased from history so I'm hoping their bounties were erased as well.
I hope they keep Blackbeards crew's bounties unknown. I like the fact that Blackhole beard has or at least had a bounty of zero. The prisoners he broke out were so bad they were erased from history so I'm hoping their bounties were erased as well.
Still, it does make you wonder how the WG are going to/did spin or cover up his leaving and actions at ID.
@CP9:
Anyways, Chopper deserves a real bounty this time, in my opinion. The pet business isn't too valuable to be a running gag.
Yeah, and Sanji should get a real photo too… one that doesn't make him depressed like hell :ninja:
I hope they keep Blackbeards crew's bounties unknown. I like the fact that Blackhole beard has or at least had a bounty of zero. The prisoners he broke out were so bad they were erased from history so I'm hoping their bounties were erased as well.
Yet it would make no sense for their bounties to start again from scratch. The bounties would likely be reinstated, the same as they were.
Yeah, and Sanji should get a real photo too… one that doesn't make him depressed like hell :ninja:
It would be funny as hell, if they took a picture of fake Sanji and used that as the bounty picture.
That's a good one for sure.
Fake Sanji or Okama Sanji ?
I am pretty sure Oda is tempted by both.
Nope, I'd actually hate that :(
I think it is time some new bounties in general are introduced. Luffy has been the character with the highest bounty ever revealed in the series for quite some time now, it is even probable that it will increase even further due to his increase in power after the timeskip. I'd rather have some figures than just the names of strong people (Yonkou).
With the destruction of Gyojin Island, the bounties rises, i'm sure
For Sanji, the photo of Fake Slim Sanji (Sabaody) in his bounty XDD
I think Luffy himself will eventually become a yonkou, for two reasons: Shanks told him to give the hat back when he's become a great pirate. He surely won't be a shichibukai, and giving it back after finally becoming PK is too late, imho (not that I think he'll really give it back, it's his trademark after all). So becoming a yonkou (meaning he's more or less equal to Shanks) is definetly a proof for one to be a "great pirate". Second, the four yonkou are the pirates closest to get the title of the PK, 'cause they are the strongest (active) pirates in the world.
So I think, sooner or later his bounty will be erased. Yonkou are that powerful, that the marines fear them more then anything else, putting a bounty on their head would be quite pointless. Why would WB has needed a bounty, if there was nobody strong enough to capture him? Even in his weakened state, the wg shit their pants 'cause he was going to war, and needed every force they had (including the 7 Shichibukai - at least they tried to gather them all) to fight him…
I think Luffy himself will eventually become a yonkou, for two reasons: Shanks told him to give the hat back when he's become a great pirate. He surely won't be a shichibukai, and giving it back after finally becoming PK is too late, imho (not that I think he'll really give it back, it's his trademark after all). So becoming a yonkou (meaning he's more or less equal to Shanks) is definetly a proof for one to be a "great pirate". Second, the four yonkou are the pirates closest to get the title of the PK, 'cause they are the strongest (active) pirates in the world.
So I think, sooner or later his bounty will be erased. Yonkou are that powerful, that the marines fear them more then anything else, putting a bounty on their head would be quite pointless. Why would WB has needed a bounty, if there was nobody strong enough to capture him? Even in his weakened state, the wg shit their pants 'cause he was going to war, and needed every force they had (including the 7 Shichibukai - at least they tried to gather them all) to fight him…
I don't think that he'll become yonkou, I reckon he'll give the hat back either just before or just after he becomes pirate king. I can't see him becoming yonkou it's just not him to be anything less than pirate king.
Being one of the "Four Emperors" is not some sort of official office or position that one is offered and accepts from an authoritative party, like with the Seven Warlords. It's just a loose title that these giants among men came to be known as due to their power and fame. These four particular pirates were so amazingly strong, infamous, and influential, that they simply came to be known as the "Four Emperors."
If Luffy ends up accumulating enough fame and influence in the New World as well, then he could very well come to be considered among them.
I think Luffy himself will eventually become a yonkou, for two reasons: Shanks told him to give the hat back when he's become a great pirate. He surely won't be a shichibukai, and giving it back after finally becoming PK is too late, imho (not that I think he'll really give it back, it's his trademark after all). So becoming a yonkou (meaning he's more or less equal to Shanks) is definetly a proof for one to be a "great pirate". Second, the four yonkou are the pirates closest to get the title of the PK, 'cause they are the strongest (active) pirates in the world.
So I think, sooner or later his bounty will be erased. Yonkou are that powerful, that the marines fear them more then anything else, putting a bounty on their head would be quite pointless. Why would WB has needed a bounty, if there was nobody strong enough to capture him? Even in his weakened state, the wg shit their pants 'cause he was going to war, and needed every force they had (including the 7 Shichibukai - at least they tried to gather them all) to fight him…
So you're saying that if someone manages to take out a Yonkou, they shouldn't be rewarded for their efforts?
So you're saying that if someone manages to take out a Yonkou, they shouldn't be rewarded for their efforts?
That's not what I meant. I tried to say, it seems like nobody is able to take out a yonkou. As Shanks appeared at the war and told he'll be an opponent if the fight goes on, the war was declared to have ended. As WB declared war (indirectly, by being told his little pussy Ace is about to be executed), the WG tried to mobilize every force they had… It just seems like the yonkou are that powerful, that nobody can caputere them. So I think putting a bounty on their heads is rather pointless...
IF anybody is able to take out one, the effort should eighter be a rank at the WG / marines or the title of a shichibukai; not money. Beeing that strong to do something like that means you shouldn't have financial problems. If you're able to k.o. one of the 4 strongest pirates in the world, there's no treasure that can be protected from you.
Your argument is that there shouldn't be a reward because nobody should be able to do it, and that's just silly. Imagine winning the lottery and being told "Oh, sorry, we didn't think anyone was going to actually win. Here's a government job you can have instead."
We don't know that the government mobilized every force in their arsenal against Whitebeard. They simply mobilized the marines and the Seven Warlords. With Dragon and the Revolutionary army out there along with three other Emperors, the Government would not be able to maintain their power and authority if they had to use every ounce of their power to fight a single pirate crew. I mean, think about it…if the government used EVERYTHING against Whitebeard, what was stopping Dragon from waltzing right into Marijora while the battle at Marineford was going on, taking over and booting out the Celestial Dragons? Logically wouldn't this be a clear indication that there was some formidable force guarding the World Government itself?
The Marines are simply one branch of Government authority. The Seven Warlords are not under the same jurisdiction as the Marines according to the charts of WG Hierarchy we've been shown to date. Further, we have recently seen that former Fleet Commander Kong was promoted to the rank of Commander in Chief. I'd say this is a clear indication there is much more to the infrastructure of the World Government we're not yet aware of as readers.
As for the Emperors, the post about the title being a loose name for a group of strong pirates rather than an official rank or position is absolutely correct. If there were only three powerful pirates, they would be the Sankou lol. I mean there would only be three emperors...when Whitebeard died, it's not like someone just grabbed his title.
As the series progresses, I actually expect there to be MORE powerful pirates rising up to the level of the emperors.
Luffy and Blackbeard are obvious choices. I could also see Trafalgar Law, Eustace Kid, and Marco rising up as powerful New World Pirates possibly capable of rivaling the emperors.
Since the fall of Whitebeard, the seas have become more turbulent. The times they are a changin' so I could easily see this becoming a serious problem for the world gov. The balance of power will be significantly disturbed without the neutral force of Whitebeard among the emperors.
In fact, this ties into my theory about Akainu....but that's for another topic. I think seeing several very powerful pirates rise up will be significant in driving the story forward for Akainu and the WG in the future. Luffy, Kid, Law, Marco, Shanks, Big Mom, and Kaidou....
I fully expect a battle between Luffy and Kid at some point...not sure about Big Mom. Could see Marco being more of a supporting figure for Luffy. In fact his goal may be mostly to protect the one Ace and Whitebeard wanted to protect in their final moments.
However things work out, I think it will wind down to Luffy, Kaidou, Blackbeard, and Shanks (and maybe Big Mom...who knows really). I think Kaidou will be a major villain for a full story arc in the New World and Luffy will take him down. Kaidou will be the first emperor he defeats, propelling him to a new level of notoriety and influence - effectively solidifying his rank as one of the"Emperors" of the New World.
Blackbeard, Luffy, and Shanks as the "three Emperors"...Blackbeard will kill Shanks as further set up for Luffy vs. Blackbeard at Raftel over the title of Pirate King. Final story arc after Luffy becomes Pirate King and takes on the World Government.
If there's one huge shortcoming about One Piece it's that there aren't enough solid bounty hunters. We see the Marines, we see pirates, hell we even see World Government employees kicking ass… where are all the bounty hunters!??? Oda probably thinks Boroque Works counted as him filling the quota for bounty hunters. NO ODA. Maybe they are all in the New World where the real money is at.
Your argument is that there shouldn't be a reward because nobody should be able to do it, and that's just silly. Imagine winning the lottery and being told "Oh, sorry, we didn't think anyone was going to actually win. Here's a government job you can have instead."
It's more like "there's no reward because we know nobody can stop the yonkou". Winning the lottery is something different, you play to win a price money. But money surely would never be a reason for anybody to attack a yonkou. If you are strong enough to take one of them out, you don't look for money but aim for higher goals (just as BB did).
Betting money on a yonkou head is like "try to jump into this magma pool - if you survive, we'll give you some sweets for free". But my opinion might be as good or bad as yours, 'cause so far nobody knows for sure. It's just my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less. Greatings from Germany :)
If Robin still has the highest know starting bounty but the lowest known bounty increase. Then maybe Chopper can have the lowest known starting bounty but the highest known bounty increase. I think the 200 million that luffy got after Ennies Lobby is the highest known increase so Chopper would need 200000050, for a total of 200000100.
It's more like "there's no reward because we know nobody can stop the yonkou". Winning the lottery is something different, you play to win a price money. But money surely would never be a reason for anybody to attack a yonkou. If you are strong enough to take one of them out, you don't look for money but aim for higher goals (just as BB did).
Betting money on a yonkou head is like "try to jump into this magma pool - if you survive, we'll give you some sweets for free".
Pulling a bounty when the person is still at large is the same as conceding. The WG are not the types that would lose face like that. Even if it's futile, it's the impression that's important. If an emperor's high bounty is enough to convince them to kill each other for it, that's a bonus. If someone has a bounty in the billions, it should be deathly obvious that they're unbelievable. It's not "betting money on" but rather "will reward this much to anyone who catches/kills." They don't get paid until they succeed, so suicide isn't profitable or anything. It goes in with the pile of thousands of other bounties.
Looking at it from a story writing standpoint. Bounties are fun for the characters and for the reader. They've been building as a crew towards something (not towards nothing). They also provide a vague sense of how deadly a new character is in most cases. The idea of pulling them away near the end is sort of like trolling the reader.
where are all the bounty hunters!??? Oda probably thinks Boroque Works counted as him filling the quota for bounty hunters. NO ODA. Maybe they are all in the New World where the real money is at.
Besides that i also said a thousand times in my prays that we definitely need some BHs, i explain it to myself like that:
BHs arent rly on the G,L beside at the beginning to get easy and quick money. After that it isn
t rly lucrative for them to defeat some rookies, which still have much potential to get higher bountys.(just like you throw back a small fish, because you want a big one one day)
So instead of wasting some rookies, they go hunting them in the NW, where the bounty is already rly high (because they already proved to be strong enough to go to the NW).
Also living as a BH is extremly dangerous and so i guess just a few are rly doing that as their job…and those are definitely top fighters, which just aim for higher bountys as lousy 100million for risking their lifes.
If there's one huge shortcoming about One Piece it's that there aren't enough solid bounty hunters. We see the Marines, we see pirates, hell we even see World Government employees kicking ass… where are all the bounty hunters!??? Oda probably thinks Boroque Works counted as him filling the quota for bounty hunters. NO ODA. Maybe they are all in the New World where the real money is at.
I'd like to think the truly strong people are either motivated by something greater than money, which is what encourages them to become so strong, or they're too great to care about going after individuals for the sake of money and rather just take it from someone. Money can only give you so much resolve. Then again, there are people like Zoro who strive to become stronger by fighting strong people and the bounty reward is just a perk.