They still did get attentions from marines like Smoker and Hina, who are pretty tough to fight, don't you think?
Yeah that's true, maybe I should have said very high bounties to get the attention of the admirals.
They still did get attentions from marines like Smoker and Hina, who are pretty tough to fight, don't you think?
Yeah that's true, maybe I should have said very high bounties to get the attention of the admirals.
Yeah that's true, maybe I should have said very high bounties to get the attention of the admirals.
I also thought about what you said earlier too… bounties don't exactly indicate how 'strong' one is. It only indicates how much of a 'threat' a person is to the world government. Robin is an easy example of that. Though strength do relate to 'threat', it's not exactly the same. What you've said doesn't make sense.
increasing his bounty would have a reversed effect in my opinion. The only reason someone would give a bounty is so that person with the bounty will be apprehended faster but if the bounty is too high no one will dare to come after this person . . .
The New World holds the biggest bounties in the world. That HAS to come with some of the best Bounty Hunters in the world too.
I like the idea with 1 billion.
But since we have no idea how high bounties can go up or whatever higher tiers have…its hard to argue.
So i either go with 500 milion or 1 billion.
Prolly 1 billion, since i find it weird that rookies can reach 300 and more million(so it should be alot more room for higher numbers).
I also thought about what you said earlier too… bounties don't exactly indicate how 'strong' one is. It only indicates how much of a 'threat' a person is to the world government. Robin is an easy example of that. Though strength do relate to 'threat', it's not exactly the same. What you've said doesn't make sense.
I never said all of the people who got high bounties has to be powerful did I? Only that those who end up with high bounties will attract attention from the higher ranks of the marines. And Robin's case is a rare exception. Anyway what I have been arguing about is that having a bounty system is beneficial for the marines. I don't see why that would be so hard to understand.
I hope it won't increase a lot +100 milion is ok otherwise it will grow to fast and at the end of one piece luffy will have a bounty of 999999999999999999999999999999999999999 that would be over the top and no funn at all.
To me the biggest proof of bounties working was the human auction house, those captains and other heads who didn't keep it together ended up there. Also until Luffy and BB wrecked the place, ID was doing its job of making life harsh for unfortante pirates.
there are many successful pirates, but for every one of them theres a dozen who didn't make it.
@De:
I hope it won't increase a lot +100 milion is ok otherwise it will grow to fast and at the end of one piece luffy will have a bounty of 999999999999999999999999999999999999999 that would be over the top and no funn at all.
^ Which would cause an overflow and his bounty will instead turn negative, so anyone who catches Luffy will have to pay a sum of 99999999999 along with luffy to the government. The result would be that no one would try to catch him and his fame will reach new levels!!
Well Carlos was willing to pay 500 mil for Cammy, so I would think the tenryuubito's would demand an even bigger amount for Luffy's head.
I hope for 400 million or less. I don't wanna bounties to skyrocket. I hated when Dragonball powerlevels became so high that they became meaningless ("He's more powerful than you… by a lot"). I hope no one (or only the Pirate King and Whitebeard) had a bounty equal or over One Billion.
Anyway what I have been arguing about is that having a bounty system is beneficial for the marines. I don't see why that would be so hard to understand.
No it's not. You don't get anything. Bounties are not beneficial for the marines.
Oh and in the flash back of Robin, do you really think that the old oman got the money? Robin left, she can't have the money.
Bounties are just for funn. The reaction of chopper when he got his low bounty was great.
And maybe we will see some great bountiehunters in the NW
@People:
No it's not. You don't get anything. Bounties are not beneficial for the marines.
Give me a good reason why having bounties is not beneficial for the marines.
@People:
Oh and in the flash back of Robin, do you really think that the old oman got the money? Robin left, she can't have the money.
And if Robin had been caught she would have been rewarded with the money. Now if there had been no bounty on Robin would she have notified them? If there's no bounty on pirates why would anyone notify the marines unless they're being attacked? Why risk the wrath and revenge of the pirates when there's nothing in it for you? There being a bounty makes a good incentive for people to call the marines in hope of getting the money.
Again, you don't get it. They have to risk their life if they want the bounty. If you want to have Bellamy's bounty you have to catch him DEAD or ALIVE. Ok? So in all case, with or without bounty they have to call the marine. They don't risk their life in calling the Marine. Someone see Bellamy walking, he has seen its wanted poster in the newspaper, he call the Marine. No risky at all, i don't see what the fuck you are saying. This guy, in calling the Marine wil not have the bounty, to have it, he has to CAPTURE him or Kill him. In this case, it's risky. Got it?
Then,
Give me a good reason why having bounties is not beneficial for the marines.
You are a lazy boy, i explained it many times, check my previous post on this thread.
A bounty hunter… Daddy from Logue Town, sure he was in a anime filler but Oda said it was a part he wanted to add into the manga but he was pushed to hurry with starting the Grand Line. Zoro's old buddies had captured many with bounties... I just think that there are fewer bounty hunters out on sea hunting on Grand Line. More inland they are.
Concering to Luffy bounty.....
For hitting a rich boy = 1 beli increase....
For evading Admiral Kizaru = 99.999.999 beli increase
For all the chaos he did in Impel Down.... 100.000.000 beli.
For being Dragon son publicly known... 100.000.000 beli
For being high level haki fellow.... I would give him total of 200.000.000 extra
For surviving Marineford with a smile and calmly walk away while Marine are unable to stop him... OVER 9000 BILLIONS!!!! .... if that would happen.
So yea price 600.000.000 or 1.000.000.000
Luffy 1 Billion
BB 2 Billions?
Jinbei 500 000 000
Boa 300 000 000
Id say 700,000 what I want to know is how the others are going to get really big bounties like that
The way i see it,its not about how strong you are its about how much of a threat you are for the WG.And considering all luffy's past and recent activities plus his ability to make the most notorious and strong guys his allies(and strong allies is what WG is really scared off) he is quite a threat alright!
Concering to Luffy bounty…..
For hitting a rich boy = 1 beli increase....
For evading Admiral Kizaru = 99.999.999 beli increase
For all the chaos he did in Impel Down.... 100.000.000 beli.
For being Dragon son publicly known... 100.000.000 beli
For being high level haki fellow.... I would give him total of 200.000.000 extra
For surviving Marineford with a smile and calmly walk away while Marine are unable to stop him... OVER 9000 BILLIONS!!!! .... if that would happen.So yea price 600.000.000 or 1.000.000.000
I don't think every bad thing you do adds to your bounty. Think about it. If his bounty was $300,000,000, and then he beat someone like Arlong, would it get higher by $30,000,000? No.
I'd say it's more like your threat level. The marines gave Luffy the $300,000,000 bounty when he declared war on the WG and brought down Enies Lobby. I think his bounty would only rise to match the worst thing he has done, because that reveals what he's capable of. At this point, that would be his heavy involvement in this war.
Consider also Robin. She has done tons of bad stuff since she was 8, and yet her bounty was only raised by $1,000,000 as an excuse to update her picture. Why no real raise in bounty? Because as far as the WG is concerned, her threat level hasn't changed. Her threat is based on what she knows, and that hasn't changed.
First time posting, though I've long been aware of the awesomeness of the AP forum and the collective OP intellect it contains.
Now, about the bounty system.
There are some indications that the series is taking a darker turn, with the death of Ace, it's hard to imagine Luffy can just go on sailing and having fun like he and his crew used to do. In other words there is a possibility that he will undergo some minor personality change, or at least re-evaluate priorities– namely before all this, Luffy famously claimed in front of Rayleigh that he doesn't want to conquer and only wants to be free. Now with the burden of Ace's faith in him to succeed in becoming the King, it's possible that Luffy may take that goal much more literally (personally, I think Ace was being unknowingly selfish to place that burden of expectation on Luffy before he died; but that's just me). Or he might not; who knows.
I mentioned all that since the whole bounty system (which like E pointed out, reeked of shounen) is really a thinly veiled DBZ power levels system: it's not nearly as cheesy, and is far more complex due to it's subjectivity (since it takes into account an outlaw's threat to the govn., as opposed to merely raw combat prowess), but all-in-all it's Oda's version of it. Most readers I'm sure love it, and even those who realized it for what it is, probably like it for adding to the flair of the series.
Now, contrast that with Fukuro's douriki. I'm sure I'm not the only one who died a little inside when Oda introduced that blatant system, and who breathed a sigh of relief when it was never spoken of after Enies Lobby.
Basically, now is a chance for Oda to tread into darker territory. Back when they first entered the Grand Line, our heroes were challenged with foes that were more on-par with their strengths, and Luffy lost his "omg-look-it's-a-devil-fruit-user" unique status. Upon entering the New World, where the Marines and the World Govn. have negligible influence and the four (now three) Yonkou live like emperors, who is to say there won't be more random encounters with relatively unknown/upstart enemy crews (or one of the Supernovas?) that give the SH a run for their money? It's not too far-fetched to abandon the bounty system from a story point-of-view.
Now to present an alternative. Without a bounty system, Oda can now introduce new pirates with "So-and-so, former bounty: XXXXX". The bounty can be marked as "former" since the Marines are either too beat-up or too busy to re-establish/update the system, so perhaps they would freeze it entirely.
This would give all the pirates in the NW the curious bounty/threat status formerly exclusive to the Shichibukai members, since we would KNOW what their last official bounty amount was... but we wouldn't know how accurately it reflected their level of threat to Luffy and co. at the present (example: Croc's 80 mil. berry bounty; Croc would probably still give Luffy a bit of trouble right now if they fought again, even though the bounties are about 4:1 presently).
For all we know the SH can meet a crew of nobodies as they enter the NW and later it would turn out that the group had just had a run-in with the last unnamed Yonkou and did some terribly damage to his forces while escaping unharmed (excuse the poor "what if" story here), but since the other two Yonkou were locked in a battle and the Marines were busy with Whitebeard (plus they just suck at keeping track of things in the New World, even before the War), nobody noticed.
This can break the formula a bit and start letting readers guess how hard of a time the SH would be having with each group they meet, as opposed to the "ok so the guy only has 10mil more berry than Luffy, so this'll be an easy fight, probably last 2 chapters..."
Of course, by reading the forums, it seems the majority of people still would love to see Oda keep the bounties largely intact, and if there is any correlations between the Skypiean villians' lack of power indicators (ok ok, so there were those "trial survival %"....) and that arc's unpopularity, perhaps it's more wise for Oda to stick to the system.
But knowing Oda he can probably change the system to "adorability levels" as the new power indicator and still somehow make it work. Chopper would sit at the top of that one.
@People:
Again, you don't get it. They have to risk their life if they want the bounty. If you want to have Bellamy's bounty you have to catch him DEAD or ALIVE. Ok? So in all case, with or without bounty they have to call the marine. They don't risk their life in calling the Marine. Someone see Bellamy walking, he has seen its wanted poster in the newspaper, he call the Marine. No risky at all, i don't see what the fuck you are saying.
And why would they call the marine? Seriously why would they bother to call the marines if the pirates doesn't doesn't do anything to them? There's no risk you say? Maybe they don't know who in the village that notified to the marines but that won't stop them to destroy that whole village as a revenge.
@People:
This guy, in calling the Marine wil not have the bounty, to have it, he has to CAPTURE him or Kill him. In this case, it's risky. Got it?
That old lady who betrayed Robin expected to get the some reward, maybe not the whole bounty but certainly some percent of it.
@People:
Then, You are a lazy boy, i explained it many times, check my previous post on this thread.
Ah yes resorting to name calling once you can't come up with anything else, how original. All your previous posts has already been refuted by onearmZollo. I'm rather tired of your stuck up attitude and seeing as this won't probably lead to anything civil I will do it like Zollo and leave this discussion as it is.
WOW. People call me E… U r sooo smart. u've managed to reach the conclusion that after decades of the bounty system in real world. it turns out useless after all. hmmm. u do know that even until this day the system still exists right?
Listen, you fucking nooblet. What are you expecting with this discussion? You don't use your brain and i doubt that you have one. It's like explaining something to a 8 years old kid.
And why would they call the marine? Seriously why would they bother to call the marines if the pirates doesn't doesn't do anything to them? There's no risk you say? Maybe they don't know who in the village that notified to the marines but that won't stop them to destroy that whole village as a revenge.
Why they would call the Marine? Some people will do, some will not, but what the point to argument that?
That old lady who betrayed Robin expected to get the some reward, maybe not the whole bounty but certainly some percent of it.
That old Lady CAPTURED robin. Robin was in her house, it's like capturing her. But she left. Thats why she wanted money. Got it?
Ah yes resorting to name calling once you can't come up with anything else, how original. All your previous posts has already been refuted by onearmZollo. I'm rather tired of your stuck up attitude and seeing as this won't probably lead to anything civil I will do it like Zollo and leave this discussion as it is.
He just said bullshit. Like you, because you don't have arguments, thats all.
His bounty will be OVER 9,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His bounty will be OVER 9,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I get the joke, but it's already surpassed that.
Luffys bounty will be 500 million, Black Beards will be 1 billion. Luffys bounty being half of Blackbeards would motivate him even more.
I think it'll be at least a billion. It increased by $200,000,000 for, what, declaring war on the World Government? This time around, he punched a Celestial Dragon in the fucking face (I think people underestimate how severe this probably is), not only broke into Impel Down, but broke hundreds of people out of Impel Down, including guys like Croc and Jimbei. Next, he not only got involved with the events at Marineford, but took the cuffs off of the guy who was supposed to get executed. Oh, and he punched Garp in the face.
I wouldn't be surprised if he got a 700,000,000 beri increase at this point. Not at all. I think Blackbeard will have the same bounty too.
luffy did made a lot of troubles but he hasn't beat any legit villains yet~
@sheng:
luffy did made a lot of troubles but he hasn't beat any legit villains yet~
What does that matter?
Bounty != power level. Robin had a bounty of 79,000,000 and she can't even fight, let alone beat any legit villains.
Well, the Celestial Dragons were willing to bid 500,000,000 on Keimi like it was nothing.
I wouldn't be surprised if Charloss told the WG/Marines to put a Billion on his head just for that punch, on top of whatever it is(300,000,000), plus whatever the government wants to add to it for everything else. In essence part of his bounty would be paid for by the world nobles.
At that very least if Charloss was willing to bid 500 million for Keimi and didn't get her. Charloss still has 500 million he was willing to spend. That makes it 800 million without anything added by the government.
I'd be surprised if it wasn't over 1 billion.
Now you might say that Charloss isn't going to add anything to Luffy's bounty and only the WG/Marines are going to. That may be the case, and in that case I would be surprised.
I agree in the significant increase (see **fps_anth'**s post above, it basically explains it) taking into accounts that he defeated Moria too (the Govt didnt increase his bounty because they want to cover up Moria's defeat, but since the incidents that follows after, the Govt now has another reason to increase the bounty) in fact, I wouldnt be surprised if all the SH got the increase just because they r involved in the Tenryuubito incident.
Luffys bounty will be ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS…err..Beri!
I recall bounties are based on how much threat a person poses against the world government. Being renowned now as the son of Dragon, the most dangerous criminal in the world, would probably put his bounty off the charts. He's also deemed to play a major role in the movement of the 'new era', of which many (important) lives have already been sacrificed (talking about the war here) in order to preserve his.
To me, it makes sense to give luffy possibly one of the highest bounties there is, but I just don't see it boding well for the future progression of the manga.
I recall bounties are based on how much threat a person poses against the world government. Being renowned now as the son of Dragon, the most dangerous criminal in the world, would probably put his bounty off the charts. He's also deemed to play a major role in the movement of the 'new era', of which many (important) lives have already been sacrificed (talking about the war here) in order to preserve his.
To me, it makes sense to give luffy possibly one of the highest bounties there is, but I just don't see it boding well for the future progression of the manga.
um well first of all we don't know why his bounty was given as 300 million. I doubt it was just for beating lucci and being responsible for enies lobby being destroyed.
there is a good chance that he knew he was dragons son at that time, and they could have also bumbed it up higher than what he was worth as well just to put the small flame out before it got big enough.
You know like Robin being worth 79 million as a 8 year old. Luffy maybe only deserved 150 million or so at the time, but they threw on a 300 million to get big named marines or bounty hunters to see him worth their effort or something. So don't be thinking that he is going to be jumping to 1 billion or something.
sure he now has the tenruubito and impel down fiasco for sure under belt, and possibly dragon news (though i feel sengoku knew for a while). But until we learn of like say Dragon/WB/Roger/Ect bounty levels, its rediculous to expect a 1 billion+ bounty when for all we know 500 million is top dog out there.
Luffys bounty will be 500 million, Black Beards will be 1 billion. Luffys bounty being half of Blackbeards would motivate him even more.
Why the hell didn't I get the memo that the famous comic book "One Piece" was now about Luffy wanting to have the highest bounty and not being king of the pirates?
If the marines/WG believe Whitebeard's last words, they should give Luffy the largest bounty in the world because he is the biggest threat to overthrow them now, but I have to contest the value of bounties at this point because there don't appear to be any competent bounty hunters out there. So what is the point of giving out high bounties when all it does is give that person lots of status..
I bet the largest one is for Dragon. MOST WANTED CRIMINAL
For a long time now, I think that Oda has messed up his bounties.
If he would have taken away a zero it would be a lot more logical, but with this atronomical figures, it just makes it a bit less interesting.
And the entire bounty stuff was cool too :sad:
Those numbers to Japanese people are not as high as they are to us.
1 Billion Belli if it's similar to Yen, the Japanese currency, is
$11,034,668 US Dollars
or
$11,170,291Can Dollars
or
£7,195,125 Eng Pounds
or
$11,970,515 Aussie Dollars
It's not as high to them as it is to us. I think the numbers are still reasonable due to this.
I mean to make one PX robot is probably more then 11-12 million dollars. The government has a lot more money then that.
If they can't spare a PX robot to catch Luffy that's pretty lame. xD
Where does it say how much 1 Belli is "worth"?
http://www.bailyes.com/most-wanted-fugities-fbi.htm
Its a US govt site, and the top ranking bounty there I guess is Osama Bin Laden at 25Million US$. talk about ur astronomical figure.
Back a few pages ago People call me E said that its a non-sense to give a very high bounty cause of bla bla bla. Well I see that bounty in OP world is very relevant to our present world. A bounty hunter as a profession really does exist, and though they usually after they lesser bounty criminals, the Govt still put extremely high bounties for those labeled as extremely dangerous. Whats the point then? Well you can go ask them yourself, but my take would be that they put such bounties hoping that someone might be interested and be crazy (or well resourced enough) to actually try and capture them. And in the off chance that they are captured, the Govt will be relieved of the dirty work
Where does it say how much 1 Belli is "worth"?
It doesn't but Oda is Japanese so naturally his mind with made up numbers in money would most likely be based off his own currency. That makes sense doesn't it?
I mean if you were to write a manga with your own money figure in it wouldn't you also base it off a money figure you are use to?
perhaps.
Would also try to not put too many zeros in it but it makes sense, so thanks
http://www.bailyes.com/most-wanted-fugities-fbi.htm
Its a US govt site, and the top ranking bounty there I guess is Osama Bin Laden at 25Million US$. talk about ur astronomical figure.Back a few pages ago People call me E said that its a non-sense to give a very high bounty cause of bla bla bla. Well I see that bounty in OP world is very relevant to our present world. A bounty hunter as a profession really does exist, and though they usually after they lesser bounty criminals, the Govt still put extremely high bounties for those labeled as extremely dangerous. Whats the point then? Well you can go ask them yourself, but my take would be that they put such bounties hoping that someone might be interested and be crazy (or well resourced enough) to actually try and capture them. And in the off chance that they are captured, the Govt will be relieved of the dirty work
The big difference is, you can claim these bounties (like on Osama Bin Laden) if you can just tip the US government where he is hiding. But in the OP world, they already know where all the "bad guys" are hanging out pretty much, so they should be able to just go arrest them, but they don't.. and to go claim those bounties you'd need to actually DEFEAT these super powerful pirates.
The big difference is, you can claim these bounties (like on Osama Bin Laden) if you can just tip the US government where he is hiding. But in the OP world, they already know where all the "bad guys" are hanging out pretty much, so they should be able to just go arrest them, but they don't.. and to go claim those bounties you'd need to actually DEFEAT these super powerful pirates.
Lets be honest here. Do we actually know how they work? I honestly don't, MAYBE we could claim the bounty if we tip the Govt, maybe we don't, or maybe we only get some percentage. And the same goes for OP World, we have never seen anyone actually claim it.
But I don't think that was the real issue here. The issue here is: whether a bounty is relevant or not in OP world. And if it is, then whether high bounties are really necessary or not.
And IMO: YES to both
In my opinion, NO to both. You know why :>
@People:
In my opinion, NO to both. You know why :>
Oh well. To each his own I guess
im gonna have to go with the choice of 800,000,000.
I think it'll be at least a billion. It increased by $200,000,000 for, what, declaring war on the World Government? This time around, he punched a Celestial Dragon in the fucking face (I think people underestimate how severe this probably is), not only broke into Impel Down, but broke hundreds of people out of Impel Down, including guys like Croc and Jimbei. Next, he not only got involved with the events at Marineford, but took the cuffs off of the guy who was supposed to get executed. Oh, and he punched Garp in the face.
I wouldn't be surprised if he got a 700,000,000 beri increase at this point. Not at all. I think Blackbeard will have the same bounty too.
you also forgot about the announcement of his father
but all those things you listed and the father of luffy doesn't mean he will go up some insane amount for what they are all worth. Because we don't know WHY his bounty was 300,000,000 in the first place. Was it given to him for declaring war on WG, was it given to him for escaping the buster call and being indirectly responsible for enies lobby destruction, was it given to him for his fighting prowess in beating Lucci. Who knows. For all we know, those events all together may only be worth a 200 million bounty. Sengoku may have put a higher number for same reason Aikanu is so adament about destroying Luffy. He saw his potential and how he is constantly pissing him off. So he gave him a higher bounty than what he was actually worth at time.
We dont' know exactly. And then another fact, when did Sengoku know about LUffy's father. I mean he knew about Ace's for a long time before announcing it. I bet he knew about Luffy's father too. That could have been factored into the 300 million as well.
And then it also comes down to just basic roof value. What is the highest out there. what does Roger/WB/Dragon have. If they are only say 500 million, then there is only so high luffy can go, and really is it such a big deal about raising it a 100 million or so at this point. the newspapers have spread his infamy wide by now. No bounty hunter isn't going to go in blind not knowing his target. He isn't going to be surprised and die because Luffy was only 300 instead of being raised to 400-500.
Or is Dragon/WB/Roger up in the 1 billion + numbers. And then the WG needs to think about what does sending a bounty out for Luffy at 1 billion do to bounty hunters. I mean if you haven't seen Luffy fight in person and go by newspapers/rumors and his bounty only and see a 1 billion bounty, and only others up there are like WB or Roger. Your going to think that Luffy is as strong as them, and no way you can beat them. But if Luffy is still down in 300 million range you will have more bounty hunters going after him because they think or are in his range, or even the super tough bounty hunters see him as just an easy 300 million target.
there are a lot fo things you have to think of when putting a bounty on someone, and also a lot of different factors you have to think could have been put into a person bounty. So before assuming it needs to be at some level based on recent events you better know what the highest bounty out there is and also factors that had currently placed his bounty at its level.
Since these forums are groupies of Crocodile, lets ask them one question. Do you guys believe that beating Lucci is worth 200 million more than beating crocodile. Is Crocodile such a pussy compared to Lucci that there is such a difference?