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      Well, this was amazing! Elfhelm capital punishment for Magnifico 😁 cracked me up, as well as Dragon Slayer on the laundry. That ending though, my god, we're here folks, finally, i was waiting this since 2006 :cwy:

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      I was a bit surprised Farneze still respects Mozgus even after finding out he was an Apostle.

      I don't think that dream means she respect him. Dreams symbolize our true inner wishes. During the Conviction arc Farnese wished that everyone on the Holy Iron Chain Knights respected her as a valid leader, but instead they always objected her orders and they talked bad of her even during meals when she could hear crystal clear what they were saying. She's a character with a very deep low self esteem complex that originated by the neglect of her father as a parent, so she wished at least that the HICK order was a place where she could find her own value as a person, but instead for the strict environment she was living and her parent's neglect she became sadistic, and that event with Guts where she was possesed and sitted naked on the Dragon Slayer triggered her latent insecurities. If she had not find in Guts her own guide and prophet she would have break apart eventually.

      Now in this dream she's not burning people up to feed her sadistic wishes, because this is not who she really is, but she's doing things she would be confortable doing, and all the other knights are praising her, basically this means she just wants to be helpful to people and feel she has her own value as a person.

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      This hiatus is going to hurt the most. We're soooooo close. I'd gladly sacrifice all animated Berserk for more more of the dream chapters right now.

      I would too, it's not like all the other media stuff about Berserk are worth something anyway, movies included which were total shit.

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        @Dr.:

        Well, this was amazing! Elfhelm capital punishment for Magnifico 😁 cracked me up, as well as Dragon Slayer on the laundry. That ending though, my god, we're here folks finally.

        I don't think that dream means she respect him. Dreams symbolize our true inner wishes. During the Conviction arc Farnese wished that everyone on the Holy Iron Chain Knights respected her as a valid leader, but instead they always objected her orders and they talked bad of her even during meals when she could hear crystal clear what they were saying. She's a character with a very deep low self esteem complex that originated by the neglect of her father as a parent, so she wished at least that the HICK order was a place where she could find her own value as a person, but instead for the strict environment she was living and her parent's neglect she became sadistic, and that event with Guts where she was possesed and sitted naked on the Dragon Slayer triggered her latent insecurities. If she had not find in Guts her own guide and prophet she would have break apart eventually.

        Now in this dream she's not burning people up to feed her sadistic wishes, because this is not who she really is, but she's doing things she would be confortable doing, and all the other knights are praising her, basically this means she just wants to be helpful to people and feel she has her own value as a person.

        If you got all of that from Mozgus being a scrubbing stone, then I would love to hear your interpretation of Schierke's dream lol. I thought her secret about the honey represented her crush on Guts since that's a recurring gag she's insecure about.

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          If you got all of that from Mozgus being a scrubbing stone, then I would love to hear your interpretation of Schierke's dream lol. I thought her secret about the honey represented her crush on Guts since that's a recurring gag she's insecure about.

          I didn't got all that from her using Mozgus as a scrubbing stone, Farnese's character with all her insecurities have been well defined since volume 17, we always knew that what she really wanted was to find a place where she would be accepted and she could be useful, and there's just no other way to interpret that dream, which added nothing we still didn't know.
          As for Schierke, i really don't know, maybe she actually liked bee secretions lol (that was how Flora theached her to call it, since she couldn't probably take things from animals, it would have been a barabarity) and keeped secret from her teacher. And because Isidro always pestered her, since when he, involuntarily, grabbed her breast, or when he said she was scared to go on the Troll hunt alone in front of everyone, she see him as the shameless monkey who expose and symbolize all the things that make her shameful

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            @Dr.:

            I would too, it's not like all the other media stuff about Berserk are worth something anyway, movies included which were total shit.

            The old series had an amazing soundtrack, paced well, and introduced a huge audience to the material.
            The abridged series was hilarious.
            The movies looked great after they adjusted the janky cgi in the first one. and even there it was mostly only bad for the first twenty minutes or so.
            The new series looks bad in the first couple eps but also starts looking better after theyget a handle on the cgi and its strengths and weaknesses.

            All were good in their own ways. None as good as the manga, no, but there's just no physical way to get that level of depth and detail in an adaptation, regardless of budget.

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              Bad evil genie wish. We'd lose the original anime and the movies and all the games in that bargain, and thus the soundtracks that go with them, and the abridged series.

              *Looks down at Behelit in hand
              Looks like it's time for the sixth eclipse

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                  @Robby:

                  The old series had an amazing soundtrack, paced well, and introduced a huge audience to the material.
                  The abridged series was hilarious.
                  The movies looked great after they adjusted the janky cgi in the first one. and even there it was mostly only bad for the first twenty minutes or so.
                  The new series looks bad in the first couple eps but also starts looking better after theyget a handle on the cgi and its strengths and weaknesses.

                  All were good in their own ways. None as good as the manga, no, but there's just no physical way to get that level of depth and detail in an adaptation, regardless of budget.

                  The soundtrack of the original anime was, let's say, enough. It was no masterpiece, but not even awful. But as for the movies, no, they were a total disaster, i'm not talking of details or graphics, but the fact that the director and whoever worked on those obscenities didn't understand the first thing about Berserk. They fucked up 95 % of the scenes, they didn't understand the characters, the plot, what scenes were more important (they skipped the dialogue between Guts and Casca on the hill after the 100 man battle in vol 7), and i couldn't write here all the countless blunders they did. The soundtrack was good as musical work but it didn't fit Berserk at all.

                  The new anime was a disaster as well, the goddamn clang sound popping out even when Guts hits ghosts, musics that don't fit, the director a total retard who didn't even read Berserk, to the point of thinking the goat in the heretic scene was a monster all along and not just a mask, since his eyes were moving even before the Behelit apostle turned him into a semi apostle. And that final metal music with Griffith reincarnation, FFS, that was the worst blunder of all.

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                    This isn't going to be happy.

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                      They were all fine and there was plenty to like about them. They were by no means "95% fucked up." Flawed and missing stuff? Absolutely. But they weren't by any proper measure complete trash. As material on their own, not compared side by side against the manga, hunting and seeking every missing detail? They were good and told the story.

                      Hardline purists aren't ever going to be pleased by any adaptation. And those seem to pop up a lot with Berserk fans.

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                        I just… I've waited so long for this.. and am so happy.

                        Also I feel like Guts has been stuck in the same place for like 15 years or ever since he's dawned the cowl.

                        Finally we'll get some Character growth from him!

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                          @Dr.:

                          I didn't got all that from her using Mozgus as a scrubbing stone, Farnese's character with all her insecurities have been well defined since volume 17, we always knew that what she really wanted was to find a place where she would be accepted and she could be useful, and there's just no other way to interpret that dream, which added nothing we still didn't know.
                          As for Schierke, i really don't know, maybe she actually liked bee secretions lol (that was how Flora theached her to call it, since she couldn't probably take things from animals, it would have been a barabarity) and keeped secret from her teacher. And because Isidro always pestered her, since when he, involuntarily, grabbed her breast, or when he said she was scared to go on the Troll hunt alone in front of everyone, she see him as the shameless monkey who expose and symbolize all the things that make her shameful

                          Oh no, I knew that about her character. Editing the message on my phone left that first paragraph about her past characterization in. I've actually read the story lol.

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                            @Robby:

                            The anime got better after the first few episodes. They realized pretty quickly that the closeups look weird in CG, so most of the face or talking shots are hand drawn now, and that goes a long way towards correcting the major issues.

                            I was really turned off by episode 3, but maybe I'll give it another shot. How much would you say it's improved since then?

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                              I would gladly sacrifice the toei piece we are getting for new berserk chapters immediately. xD

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                                can't see it coming back before February,2017…only 4 chapters in this run.:sad:

                                Only thing i didn't like was Gut's reaction,or lack of reactions.He turned his back so easily....

                                “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”

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                                  I see it as Guts recognizing that Casca's being healed is more important than him being there for it.

                                  The rare "protagonist is being mature about it" phenomenon

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                                    Oh man!! That chapter was just too good!! Just when I feel we are back in full swing….........

                                    Miura slaps us with another Hiatus! Damn

                                    SAILING AGAIN FOR THE NEW WORLD

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                                      So from all the hidden psychological problems Schierke and Farnese have these are the only ones surfacing in their dreams? Berserk really has become family friendly.

                                      "You either die a villain, or live long enough to see yourself become the hero." - Vegeta, Hero Slayer Garou, most MLP villains etc.

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                                        They are at the superficial level, compare to Casca who's only reacting to her perception on that level .

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                                          Interesting chapter but I'm sort of surprised that Gut's didn't hesitate more about healing Casca considering the Skull Knight's comment and that obviously remembering herself from before isn't going to make her the happiest… I also feel like it's strange for him to be left out of the process but I guess it will serve as a way for the rest of the cast to learn more about Guts and Casca. Man, this is going to be a rough hiatus.

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                                            Eclipse tease. Perfect hiatus bait.

                                            Don't know why everyone is so surprised that Guts just wanted to cut to the chase. The only reason they set out for this island in the first place was to heal Casca, knowing full well that "Elf Hell" awaited Guts' addled mind. In addition, Guts has been a lot more level headed in even the most sticky situations due to Schierke's seal that was put over his brand in addition to her general Astral presence. The "beast" that manifests all of Guts' doubts and fears has essentially been put to rest for now except when he needs to suit up and kick some ass.

                                            Lastly, would Guts really want to revisit the Eclipse? Not unless he absolutely had to.

                                            Also, the dreams are pretty light-weight due to their peace-of-mind due to their astral training (Casca excluded). Well, that and it's essentially to put the reader in more of a sense of security before delving into the depraved madness that was the Eclipse.

                                            Now most everyone is focused on how Casca is going to act around Guts, and for good reason because that haven't actually conversed to one another for nigh 20 years (real-time) but what about Farnese and Schierke? Will her experiences and a drooling imbecile post-rape be retained? Or will all that be one giant lucid dream, leaving her wondering who these witches are and why the entire world has turned upside-down.

                                            I mean, supposedly she has to come to terms with how she feels about Guts, which is valid to a degree, but its her feelings for and experiences with Griffith, her "child" and the death of almost all her companions that really need to be confronted and addressed. Past that, she really needs a reason to accept the current reality that she has since subconsciously rejected and find some sort of new direction.

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                                              @Desperado:

                                              So from all the hidden psychological problems Schierke and Farnese have these are the only ones surfacing in their dreams? Berserk really has become family friendly.

                                              What's the problem?It already had a lifetime of violence and gore and we all know the end won't be a happy either….I am okay with this momentary calm and peace.

                                              “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”

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                                                Eclipse tease. Perfect hiatus bait.

                                                Don't know why everyone is so surprised that Guts just wanted to cut to the chase. The only reason they set out for this island in the first place was to heal Casca, knowing full well that "Elf Hell" awaited Guts' addled mind.

                                                That's not really true though. Initially they decided to go there because the cave at Godo's place was destroyed and Guts wanted somewhere else safe for Casca to live. He didn't learn until much later that the elf king might be able to heal her and seemed conflicted about it until this point.

                                                I am interested in whether Casca will remember the events that occurred during her lost state of mind, especially her child.

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                                                  I am interested in whether Casca will remember the events that occurred during her lost state of mind, especially her child.

                                                  I think she'll remember definetely something, this healing ritual is supposed to make Casca face her traumas and come to terms with the events transpired at the eclipse, not just avoid and cast aside all her memories in order to be sane again. My take is that she'll have initially blurred memories of the time between the eclipse and her healing, and she might be depressed and shaken for a while, but she'll definetely return the Casca she once was, after all there are a lot of new companions with her now.

                                                  The real question is, what will she choose to do then? I've always supported the idea that the moonlight boy is indeed their son, aka the demon child, and not an avatar of the elf queen, which has still not mentioned a word about her sending an avatar. If that will turned out to be true, Casca's wish will be to do everything in order to save her son, but we know that there is a connection between the demon child and Griffith, and it was never clarified if Griffith used the body of the demon child to reincarnate, or the latter just got infused with him during the reincarnation.

                                                  I think the real meaning of Skull Knight's line about her wish being different from Guts's was not about her not wanting to be healed, like many fans think, but about their son. Guts will probably desire more than anything to take his revenge on Griffith, but as for Casca, as much as she will hate him for what he did to her, her priority will be to save her son, and this might go against Guts's objective, considering the still mysterious connection between Griffith and the boy.

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                                                    The story has not been moving forward since Guts and his merry friends jumped into that cursed boat and I have serious doubts that Miura is following a plan at this stage. Still I'm curious to see what he has in mind for Casca (beyond eclipse rape redux)

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                                                      @Dr.:

                                                      I think she'll remember definetely something, this healing ritual is supposed to make Casca face her traumas and come to terms with the events transpired at the eclipse, not just avoid and cast aside all her memories in order to be sane again. My take is that she'll have initially blurred memories of the time between the eclipse and her healing, and she might be depressed and shaken for a while, but she'll definetely return the Casca she once was, after all there are a lot of new companions with her now.

                                                      The real question is, what will she choose to do then? I've always supported the idea that the moonlight boy is indeed their son, aka the demon child, and not an avatar of the elf queen, which has still not mentioned a word about her sending an avatar. If that will turned out to be true, Casca's wish will be to do everything in order to save her son, but we know that there is a connection between the demon child and Griffith, and it was never clarified if Griffith used the body of the demon child to reincarnate, or the latter just got infused with him during the reincarnation.

                                                      I think the real meaning of Skull Knight's line about her wish being different from Guts's was not about her not wanting to be healed, like many fans think, but about their son. Guts will probably desire more than anything to take his revenge on Griffith, but as for Casca, as much as she will hate him for what he did to her, her priority will be to save her son, and this might go against Guts's objective, considering the still mysterious connection between Griffith and the boy.

                                                      I can definitely agree with all of this. Especially the avatar bit, because I always thought that the boy was some sort of reincarnation of their son as well with how mysteriously close he got to Casca and how he would keep silently staring at Guts like the demon child would.

                                                      However, how exactly could the conflict between wanting to find the son or not even go about? How would she even go about wanting to save her son since he appears and disappears all over the place? I can see it happening in them sticking around in the same party until Griffith and his empire becomes a more central role in the plot for them, but even then, it's weird to imagine how it could occur. The only thing I can happening is if they have a divide between wanting to antagonize Griffith or not. Not just in thinking if it's worth it to get revenge, but if Griffith can even be held accountable. We still don't know how Casca's going to process everything Griffith did and hold him accountable as much as Guts does. Griffith's accountability was a big theme during that mini-arc with Rickert and him refusing to take a place in his kingdom where he would be safe from all of the dangers outside of it (not to mention Griffith being the reason for those dangers existing in the first place by bridging the two worlds together). It definitely seems like Casca should take their sides due her caring for Band of the Hawk herself along with being raped by Griffith of course (both of those being extremely detestable acts), but she had a strong admiration for him to the point that she was willing to let Guts leave and stay with Griffith twice in a row. And the fact that her son could technically be a "part" of Griffith or whatever course that plot line takes, along with the safety of his kingdom, could play a role in her disagreeing with the revenge objective. Which would definitely be a huge obstacle for Guts' character motivation since Casca has just as much or even more reason to hate Griffith than he does, along with how she's the cornerstone of Guts maintaining his sanity. That type of situation would give a lot of character introspection and development to Guts as a whole, especially since Guts' hate for Griffith momentarily disappeared upon first sight of him, so there is definitely room for him to reconsider his motivations for his revenge and if he should even still pursue it.

                                                      And Miura's been homing in on Casca not liking Guts in her amnesia state for so long that some part of me feels like it's not going to easily be brushed away if she does reclaim her memories during this arc. Because we have to remember that Guts did leave her alone for two years to "protect" her, which she's going to remember once she gets her memories back. I can see her getting over the whole rape attempt Guts' darkness maybe, along with appreciating Guts helping and saving her so long, but we have no idea how Casca's going to process pretty much everything after the Eclipse. Hell, we don't even know how the rest of his party is going to react to Guts' past and goal either, especially in regards to supporting him. A major thematic element of Griffith and his dichotomy with Guts throughout the story is loyalty in regards to both characters (like how Schierke was tempted to unknowingly join Griffith's group but sided with Guts due to her admiration of him, Serpico wanting to obstruct Guts' gang from interfering with Farnese's departure, or how Guts was willing to commit those murders for Griffith during the Golden Age and how Griffith asked Guts if he thought he was a bad person for ordering that as a step towards Guts getting his kingdom, along with those two instances of Guts deciding to leave the Band of the Hawk alone like I mentioned before, and not to mention Rickert's mini-arc). So I can see a continuation of that in the form of a pretty huge philosophical divide among the main cast with Casca getting her memories back and Guts' past being blown open. But that happens whenever Griffith actually becomes relevant in their scope again.

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                                                        I'll kinda be surprised if the events once Casca comes back isn't similar to this.

                                                        1. Regains her memories.
                                                        2. Need some time to recuperate in which time passes to a point on the outside.
                                                        3. Will be very cold and distant to Guts for a certain amount of time as she'll remember everything since the eclipse. They haven't been building up Casca's fear/distrust of Guts for nothing.
                                                        4. Will be friends with Farnse and on generally friendly terms with the rest of the party.
                                                        5. Farnese and Schierke will take advantage of Casca's distance to try to get closer to Guts.

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                                                          5. Farnese and Schierke will take advantage of Caca's distance to try to get closer to Guts.

                                                          I can't tell whether I'm laughing at this because of it sounding ridiculous or realistic at this point…

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                                                          "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                                            The story has not been moving forward since Guts and his merry friends jumped into that cursed boat and I have serious doubts that Miura is following a plan at this stage. Still I'm curious to see what he has in mind for Casca (beyond eclipse rape redux)

                                                            You mean aside from Griffith taking out an emporer, battling skull knight and merging the realms together, founding his own kingdom and demon army, being slapped by Rickerts, and Rickerts joining up with a new batch of Mercenaries?

                                                            Gut's plot hasn't moved forward much since the boat, but the actual series story has done a ton.

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                                                              It'll be nice once we get around to exploring the new world.

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                                                                We all know that Guts needs to slay a dragon. Grunbeld was only a brief tease.

                                                                Spoiler:

                                                                "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                                                  I would prefer a decade spent in original timeline during the period they stay in Elfhelm.It will give a clear picture of what became of Griffith's dreamland..

                                                                  “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”

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                                                                    Ooh, I almost forgot about how time passes faster outside of Elfhelm. I can definitely see Miura taking advantage of that plot device to propel the world into a unique state of co-existence with all of the Astral Plane creatures existing and whatnot, along with Griffith perhaps expanding his kingdom. But I do feel like so much change has happened as is that I would be a bit awkward to not have Guts' party acknowledge and react to how the world is now in some way.

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                                                                      If the outside world is going to have a timeskip, it's going to be the beginning of the Age of Darkness by the time Guts group leaves Elfheim. Muira might throw a wench in things and have some demons attack Elfheim and forces Guts group to go back to the real world earlier than they planned to.

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                                                                        If the outside world is going to have a timeskip, it's going to be the beginning of the Age of Darkness by the time Guts group leaves Elfheim. Muira might throw a wench in things and have some demons attack Elfheim and forces Guts group to go back to the real world earlier than they planned to.

                                                                        I wouldn't doubt that some demons arrive to attack the all-empowering cherry tree that Hanafubuku keeps referring to. Hell, it might even be during the dream to create tension in the tangible world as to if the MCs will make it out or if Casca's memory retrieval will be corrupted in some way.

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                                                                          You mean aside from Griffith taking out an emporer, battling skull knight and merging the realms together, founding his own kingdom and demon army, being slapped by Rickerts, and Rickerts joining up with a new batch of Mercenaries?

                                                                          Gut's plot hasn't moved forward much since the boat, but the actual series story has done a ton.

                                                                          Yeah, Griffith becoming a demigod ruler and the merging of the real world with the illusory one bored me to death. If at least we had some info on Idea of Evil plans I wouldnt find the whole thing so tiresome (and its tiresome seeing a puppet like Griffith playing his script to the letter without anyone getting in his way)

                                                                          Meanwhile Guts as a character has been stuck in the mud for years.

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                                                                            Muira might throw a wench in things and have some demons attack Elfheim

                                                                            Oh heavens no we already seen what happens when Miura throws wenches around in this series it's not pretty:ninja:

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                                                                            I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                                                              ! It seems Miura is pretty serious about his transition to digital art.

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                                                                              ! But these chapter 348 drafts are done traditionally, so it's not like Miura abandoned analog art completely. Oh well, hopefully he learns to readjust line weight by the coming spring.

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                                                                                Maybe he actually took this hiatus to gid really gud at digital who knows. xD

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                                                                                  Well… I recently caught up all the chapters (took me a long time because I was busy admiring the art) and it was a dark, grim but entertaining ride. Was pretty excited to read it serialized.
                                                                                  Then it gets a cliffhanger hiatus. Sigh.

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                                                                                    Well… I recently caught up all the chapters (took me a long time because I was busy admiring the art) and it was a dark, grim but entertaining ride. Was pretty excited to read it serialized.
                                                                                    Then it gets a cliffhanger hiatus. Sigh.

                                                                                    You should ask Robby how it feels to wait Berserk chapters 👅. I don't think he even notices less than 6 month breaks at this point.

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                                                                                      ! It seems Miura is pretty serious about his transition to digital art.

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                                                                                      ! so what do we have here? A wild dog (Guts? It seems to be missing a member, just like our protagonist) pushing a casket with a bird mark (Falcon?) forward. Maybe Caska is inside of it, all broken, and the girls will have to defeat the dog to break it open and finally restore her? Then we move to a PSTD arc…looking forward to compare it with Korra's episode.

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                                                                                        Went on Skullknight.net and it's funny reading the oldest chapter discussions around 2001 where Elfheim was just introduced and people were talking about it seeming like Casca would be cured in the upcoming months.

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                                                                                          Went on Skullknight.net and it's funny reading the oldest chapter discussions around 2011 where Elfheim was just introduced and people were talking about it seeming like Casca would be cured in the upcoming months.

                                                                                          That's… that's just sad.

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                                                                                            You should ask Robby how it feels to wait Berserk chapters 👅. I don't think he even notices less than 6 month breaks at this point.

                                                                                            What, is it on break right now?

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                                                                                                That's… that's just sad.

                                                                                                Whoops. Typo. Meant 2001. I said when Elfheim was introduced though, so it still let on about it.

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                                                                                                What, is it on break right now?

                                                                                                Yeah. I've just accepted that I'll probably be 40 by the time Berserk finishes. At least with Berserk we get good quality chapters when they come out, estimations of when he'll be back, and generally some chapters every year.

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                                                                                                  Whoops. Typo. Meant 2001. I said when Elfheim was introduced though, so it still let on about it.

                                                                                                  That's… even sadder.

                                                                                                  Damn, I remember both when I caught up the on-going pace in One Piece (Shadow Asgard) and when I got the first (infamous) email notification for this thread and it was finally a new Berserk chapter (beginning of Sea God). Comparing how both stories have moved forward / changed in these "few" years is quite harsh on Miura's side.

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                                                                                                    However, how exactly could the conflict between wanting to find the son or not even go about? How would she even go about wanting to save her son since he appears and disappears all over the place? I can see it happening in them sticking around in the same party until Griffith and his empire becomes a more central role in the plot for them, but even then, it's weird to imagine how it could occur. The only thing I can happening is if they have a divide between wanting to antagonize Griffith or not.

                                                                                                    This is a turning point for the Berserk story. We still don't know how their visit to Elfhelm will affect them, and what they will learn from Danan. For all we know, Danan, who is a powerful astral being and probably very very ancient, could know not only the identity and nature of the moonlight boy but also some precious informations about the God Hand and their god. Maybe she knows a way to free the boy without opposing Griffith (i'm just making an example).
                                                                                                    The boy could also, very probably, show up himself at Elfhelm if they stay long enough for a full moon to occur, Schierke too will have to mention eventually to Danan about the mysterious boy they met. The story must move forward, and there has to be a strong motivation for the party to undertake another travel, which has not to be necessarly revenge on Griffith.

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                                                                                                    Not just in thinking if it's worth it to get revenge, but if Griffith can even be held accountable. We still don't know how Casca's going to process everything Griffith did and hold him accountable as much as Guts does. Griffith's accountability was a big theme during that mini-arc with Rickert and him refusing to take a place in his kingdom where he would be safe from all of the dangers outside of it (not to mention Griffith being the reason for those dangers existing in the first place by bridging the two worlds together). It definitely seems like Casca should take their sides due her caring for Band of the Hawk herself along with being raped by Griffith of course (both of those being extremely detestable acts), but she had a strong admiration for him to the point that she was willing to let Guts leave and stay with Griffith twice in a row.

                                                                                                    Uh…..no. Casca won't have any shreds of compassion or admiration for Griffith, and not even a slightest doubt about his "accountability" for what happened at the eclipse, after she'll be healed. The reason she went insane is probably because she still cannot accept the fact that the man she admired and dedicated so much for, killed all her companions and did all those horrible things to her. It's an analogy to Guts's past, when he was a kid he tried his best to be aknwlodged by Gambino, who always scorned him, only to discover he was the one who sold him to Donovan, his abuser. Guts every now and then thought about Gambino during the Golden age arc, because he still didn't come to terms with what happened back then. But after he confessed everything to Casca he went over it and didn't think about it anymore. Casca's healing now represent the same thing.
                                                                                                    And Griffith's accountability was never a "big theme" during that Falconia section, it was not even a theme at all. Rickert just wondered what someone as small as him could do to punish Griffith, a demigod being, for what he did to his companions, but he never questioned Griffith's accountability. All he could do was to give him that humiliating slap, completely uncaring about the consequences.

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                                                                                                    And the fact that her son could technically be a "part" of Griffith or whatever course that plot line takes, along with the safety of his kingdom, could play a role in her disagreeing with the revenge objective. Which would definitely be a huge obstacle for Guts' character motivation since Casca has just as much or even more reason to hate Griffith than he does, along with how she's the cornerstone of Guts maintaining his sanity. That type of situation would give a lot of character introspection and development to Guts as a whole, especially since Guts' hate for Griffith momentarily disappeared upon first sight of him, so there is definitely room for him to reconsider his motivations for his revenge and if he should even still pursue it.

                                                                                                    Yes. That's what i sayed in my post. Guts, on the Sea Horse, after the battle with the Sea God, wondered the possibility and his desire to continue his quest for vengeance, and there will be likely a dialogue about this matter between him and Casca. But in the end he will choose nevertheless to stick with whatever Casca will desire to do, he promised it back then in vol 17, he said "I'll never lose her again". As for Guts reconsidering his motivation for revenge, if that happens, and very probably it will, it won't happen now, Guts's hatred for Griffith is like, one of the pillars theme of Berserk, if he can get over it, i can't see him doing it now, but at the very end of the manga when he'll conquer his Beast of Darkness.

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                                                                                                    And Miura's been homing in on Casca not liking Guts in her amnesia state for so long that some part of me feels like it's not going to easily be brushed away if she does reclaim her memories during this arc. Because we have to remember that Guts did leave her alone for two years to "protect" her, which she's going to remember once she gets her memories back. I can see her getting over the whole rape attempt Guts' darkness maybe, along with appreciating Guts helping and saving her so long, but we have no idea how Casca's going to process pretty much everything after the Eclipse. Hell, we don't even know how the rest of his party is going to react to Guts' past and goal either, especially in regards to supporting him.

                                                                                                    Even though i'm unsure about her initial reaction to Guts after the ritual, there is no way that a serious and stoic character as Casca will feel anything but an immense gratitude and love for what Guts did for her, and the fact that he leaved her alone won't change anything for her, because Guts, just as Casca, went through very traumatic events. That is even more supported by the fact that in the Dreamcast game of 1999, Sword of Berserk, which was written by Miura, there is scene where Casca momentarily regain her sanity, and she calls Guts "my dear".

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                                                                                                      Oh the game was written by miura? Nice. I played it on the ps2 years ago, but it was all in japanese and I hadn't read any berserk at that point, just stumbled upon a cool looking bloody game and wanted to play it, lol.^^

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                                                                                                        I'm a bit late to reply, didn't have time to log in lately.

                                                                                                        I was wondering where you were lol.

                                                                                                        This is a turning point for the Berserk story. We still don't know how their visit to Elfhelm will affect them, and what they will learn from Danan. For all we know, Danan, who is a powerful astral being and probably very very ancient, could know not only the identity and nature of the moonlight boy but also some precious informations about the God Hand and their god. Maybe she knows a way to free the boy without opposing Griffith (i'm just making an example).
                                                                                                        The boy could also, very probably, show up himself at Elfhelm if they stay long enough for a full moon to occur, Schierke too will have to mention eventually to Danan about the mysterious boy they met. The story must move forward, and there has to be a strong motivation for the party to undertake another travel, which has not to be necessarly revenge on Griffith.

                                                                                                        Pretty much, I can't add to that. Miura just kind of introduces things on the magical side as he goes along and kind of strings everything together loosely to make it seem like it makes sense. It's mainly the characters and themes persistent throughout the story that are consistent and what we mainly need to rely on for predicting future events in the story.

                                                                                                        Uh…..no. Casca won't have any shreds of compassion or admiration for Griffith, and not even a slightest doubt about his "accountability" for what happened at the eclipse, after she'll be healed. The reason she went insane is probably because she still cannot accept the fact that the man she admired and dedicated so much for, killed all her companions and did all those horrible things to her. It's an analogy to Guts's past, when he was a kid he tried his best to be aknwlodged by Gambino, who always scorned him, only to discover he was the one who sold him to Donovan, his abuser. Guts every now and then thought about Gambino during the Golden age arc, because he still didn't come to terms with what happened back then. But after he confessed everything to Casca he went over it and didn't think about it anymore. Casca's healing now represent the same thing.

                                                                                                        And how can we be that sure that even once her mind is fully healed up, that she's going to have the exact same conviction as Guts does with wanting to carve up Griffith for vengeance? All we've seen is Guts' perspective and feelings on the whole thing, and his need to protect Casca keeping him going. I'm not literally saying that Casca's going to say "Oh, it's okay that Griffith killed all of our comrades in raped me. In fact, I actually enjoyed the latter!". Or that she'll be loyal to Griffith just because she's always been the most loyal before, as if nothing has changed. Nothing that asinine. I mean in terms of if she still thinks it's right and justifiable to hold Griffith accountable to the point that he has to die. To risk the presence of a sanctuary like Falconia (which I talk about more in the next quote response), to risk the life of her own child if it indeed bonded to Griffith. To truly believe that, despite the depraved acts that Griffith partook in to get there, that you can truly blame Griffith accepting the God Hand's offer in such a pitifully broken, permanent state for the rest of his life. Especially since they were all "technically" willing to give their lives to fulfill Griffith's dream of wanting a kingdom (at least, that's how Griffith tried to justify it in his head). It's all part of the complex philosophical conflict throughout this series of whether it's worth it to sacrifice your loved ones to achieve your dream, and the answer is always that it's just an irrational way of trying to bury the pain in your heart and that when your present world shatters all around you, you'll be nostalgic for the fondness of the merits of the life you had before. It's probably what's going to happen to Griffith at the end of the manga with his inevitable downfall (no way that a city protected by Apostles with that huge visual dichotomy and impulsiveness to chase Rickert after slapping Griffith is seriously going to hold up in a million years), but now I'm getting off-point.

                                                                                                        It's a bit funny that you mention Guts' troubles with coming to terms with Gambino after trusting him and enduring the trauma of being a rape survivor. Because even when/if Casca gets her mind back again, who is to say that she's going to easily accept Griffith being responsible, especially to the point of thinking that he deserves to be murdered like Guts thinks? Especially if this is an analogy, which I could agree with, then we should expect some parallel of Guts being unwilling to confront Gambino about the rape after hearing about how Gambino accepted the offer and only got a confirmation once Gambino decided to irrationally blame Guts for his life going to hell as a bad luck child. Not that it has to happen exactly or anything, but Casca is at least going to be a bit conflicted for a while that the man she admired for her whole life and was willing to stay with in a decrepit state by sacrificing her love with Guts was the same person who sacrificed the Band of the Hawk and raped her in front of the man she loved. Expecting her to immediately be grateful to Guts and be fully on board with his objective at first, even without anything about the son being involved, is a bit unrealistic. Especially when Guts still had trouble believing what Gambino did to him and, and feel free to correct me on this since I could easily be getting confused with similar stories in other series, even slightly wondering if it was his fault.

                                                                                                        The degree of how much Casca will be at odds with Guts is still pure speculation though. But it's only going to get more complex when Guts and Casca hear more about Falconia and actually see it for themselves once they return to the mainland and see all of the creatures about. And also when the rest of the party finally learns about Guts' past, and how they're going to feel if Guts tells them "Yeah, we have to axe off the guy in charge of the one remaining kingdom, which is basically a perfect utopia, in a land full of anarchy from fairy tale/mythical creatures and basically wage war with an army of Apostles because the White Hawk slaughtered my own kin back in the day and made Casca insane from rape". I can't see Schierke wavering from Guts considering her knowledge on the White Hawk and being attached to Guts, but how Isidro (due to unknowingly worshipping Guts for so long and needing character development on being willing to kill), Serpico (wanting to protect Farnese), and Farnese (whose relationship with Casca has definitely been built-up for something when Casca regains her memories) is going to be eventful, no matter how much bonding they've done so far. Just because the amnesia fits into the analogy of Guts not wanting to accept what Gambino did to him doesn't mean that it's going to automatically end when Casca regains her memories. Especially when she remembers everything about her journey with Guts, including being left alone for two years and getting assaulted by him (you could brush off the latter as a minute instance, maybe, but the former is something that shouldn't be ignored just because Guts changed his mind and saved her a bunch of times to cure her. She can be grateful, but she doesn't have to be comfortable with him or agree with his standards). Casca getting cured does not necessarily have to be equivalent to the catharsis that Guts had in confessing his past.

                                                                                                        And I mentioned the persistent separation between Guts and Casca at the end of my quote there, not because I legitimately think Casca is still going to have that amount of devout loyalty towards Griffith, but because the fact that they constantly separate due to Griffith as the crux of their relationship is a recurring theme that can be expected to be upheld once Casca gains her memories and has to process how reality has progressed since the Eclipse. In fact, we're kind of agreeing on mostly the same thing now that I'm looking back on how much we agree on in hindsight in terms of them having a divide. The only main difference is that I don't think it's going to JUST be the fact that Griffith has a connection to the child, but not being willing to accept that Griffith, for everything that he has accomplished thus far and the state of world affairs now (and a strained relationship with guts playing a bit of a factor emotionally), should be held accountable to the point of vengeance. I feel like we're kind of misunderstanding each other and are debating very minute, but reasonable points for both sides. I apologize if you literally think I was saying that Casca is going to still feel devout loyalty towards Griffith without any dynamic change. I was just speaking in relation to how that plays a role thematically and in terms of what trauma and internal conflict she can still have in the present. I should have reworded my previous thoughts in that reply better.

                                                                                                        And Griffith's accountability was never a "big theme" during that Falconia section, it was not even a theme at all. Rickert just wondered what someone as small as him could do to punish Griffith, a demigod being, for what he did to his companions, but he never questioned Griffith's accountability. All he could do was to give him that humiliating slap, completely uncaring about the consequences.

                                                                                                        Actually, it was a big theme. It's why Guts told Rickert that nobody how much he tried, that "you could truly never hate Griffith". Not to mention that after fighting the new creatures around the land and having the responsibility of protecting his sister, we see him going around town and showing the readers panel after panel of how beautiful and prosperous Falconia looks like, like a utopia. Rickert gets an invitation to what's basically heaven, and we're made to wonder if he's actually going to go through with rejecting all of this by still holding Griffith responsible for sacrificing the Band of the Hawk, no matter how much good was accomplished by what this place brings. And there's also that juicy quote that Luca mentioned to Rickert. She didn't know about what happened to the Band of the Hawk or anything that specific, but when learning about how Rickert was willing to leave due to holding some type of grudge against Griffith, she even questioned him about if it was worth sacrificing his present safety his SISTER's present safety, to still hold someone like Griffith accountable for such a grudge. And it's important to note that Luca, out of every character that could have been there, said this because she was the one consistent moral compass during the Conviction arc that Miura emphasized to be an admirable role-model. She was probably the only character in that arc who didn't have a single instance of ethical doubt or flaws in that story. Which made it all the more complex to wait and see what choice Rickert would make.

                                                                                                        The question wasn't really just about how Rickert would punish Griffith for being such a small individual (which he did mention during that chapter), but if he would be willing to judge him enough to the point of refusing the invitation in the first place after everything that was seen there since they had that jolly talk on the hill. Hence why Guts' quote of "you could never truly hate Griffith" kept ringing about in Rickert's head at least a few times throughout that arc until it was finally showtime to see what he would do when he saw Griffith face-to-face. Even if his mind was already made up from the get-go about refusing the invitation, there was still a consistent about if he was actually willing to hang on to that sentiment in spite of witnessing Falconia. It's why he also says in his thoughts besides being small that he never thought he would see a flourishing city again, and recognizing how Griffith, like a god, like an angel, can perform miracles. I could understand why you might have had issues with the rest of my comment, but I thought all of this was pretty obvious. I would have thought that all of the returning characters readers got to know and get attached to returning and constantly praising Griffith, someone we the readers are meant to hate from seeing his atrocities first-hand through the perspective of Guts, would have gotten the point across to the theme was mainly about if Griffith can still be held accountable despite using those sacrifices to make a utopia. And Rickert answered that with a slap, called Griffith out, and left. It's pretty simple, but I'd be more than happy to debate this more.

                                                                                                        Being groomed to despise an antagonist and then being conflicted upon seeing that he has actually committed some forms of good and has people who admire and care for him, especially when a main character is witnessing all of this and is treated courteously, is something I've actually seen a few times in fiction. To have the viewer themselves question if the main characters we're supposed to root for are still able to carry on with their resolve to reject and/or even fight/kill an antagonist after witnessing these things, making the situation all the more philosophically complex. Especially when it comes to a character like Rickert who was previously seen having an enjoyable talk with Griffith after seeing that he's back, but before learning of his atrocities from Guts. You're underestimating how Miura was portraying this mini-arc to viewers in order to confuse them on whether or not Rickert would refuse Griffith's invitation and do something akin to a slap or spit on the face for his consequentialist actions at the Eclipse in exchange for the chance to make Falconia.

                                                                                                        Yes. That's what i sayed in my post. Guts, on the Sea Horse, after the battle with the Sea God, wondered the possibility and his desire to continue his quest for vengeance, and there will be likely a dialogue about this matter between him and Casca. But in the end he will choose nevertheless to stick with whatever Casca will desire to do, he promised it back then in vol 17, he said "I'll never lose her again". As for Guts reconsidering his motivation for revenge, if that happens, and very probably it will, it won't happen now, Guts's hatred for Griffith is like, one of the pillars theme of Berserk, if he can get over it, i can't see him doing it now, but at the very end of the manga when he'll conquer his Beast of Darkness.

                                                                                                        Of course, of course. And I know that's what you mostly said, I was just reiterating it to connect my own thoughts into it. And I wasn't seriously saying this conflict has to happen right after Casca gets healed or even during the Fantasia arc itself lol. This is all probably even endgame stuff for all we know.

                                                                                                        Even though i'm unsure about her initial reaction to Guts after the ritual, there is no way that a serious and stoic character as Casca will feel anything but an immense gratitude and love for what Guts did for her, and the fact that he leaved her alone won't change anything for her, because Guts, just as Casca, went through very traumatic events. That is even more supported by the fact that in the Dreamcast game of 1999, Sword of Berserk, which was written by Miura, there is scene where Casca momentarily regain her sanity, and she calls Guts "my dear".

                                                                                                        To be fair, they had that awkward period of Casca being bitter of Guts in the first half or so of the Golden Age, along with Casca (in her insane state, given) having a phobia of Guts since the Golden Age ended and that scene where Guts was tempted by the Beast of Darkness to kill/maybe rape Casca. So forgive me if Casca and Guts having some sort of divide between each other is such recurring element that it's hard to imagine it won't happen again in some way lol. It is indeed very possible that she'll be cool with Guts, I'm just mentioning a curveball that Miura might be tempted to throw for such a hyped up event in the manga as well as following through with what the Skull Knight may have been hinting at.

                                                                                                        I didn't know that game was written by Miura though! Very fascinating to know. But that still doesn't mean that's the route he'll go with the story though. In fact, plenty of writers who get signed on for video game adaptations and the like give expected, red herring endings (when used to predict what might happen in the original source) or moments when it treads non-canon territory. No writer is going to seriously want to leak what they're planning for a story in an adaptation, especially when that will happen arcs and literal years later. So pardon me if I'm a bit apprehensive about using an adaptation as an indication of what might happen in the future events of a story. But props to you for bringing that up though, it's still quite interesting to note.

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