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    • Robby
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      It's probably more because I originally bought and looked at the volume sin raw Japanese, since I got interested in the series long before Dark Horse picked up the license. Before the anime even had an official release stateside, even.

      I got most of the story just visually, so I was missing a lot of details (explicitly Griffith's rebirth worked) and that was the entire framework I had for a long time, but it led at least a little to me feeling like a lot of things were monster of the week.

      I read the scans a few years back to really get it, but that was maybe ten years ago… and i'm hard pressed to rebuy the entire series. I'm just not as in love with Berserk as I was in 1999.

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        @Monkey:

        You say this like someone completely disinterested in the Black Swordsman aspect of Gutts lol. Which subjectively I find bizarre, since that part of Gutts is interesting and seeing him slowly emerge from it is cool and good.

        Not completly disinterested but I'm more interested in his character before he became the black swordsman and in what he may yet turn into, yes. The berserker Gatts is a necassary but hopefully temporary stage in his life. In the same way I am more fond of Takezou after he becomes Musashi and the later Thorfin in Vinland Saga.
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        Also the arcs are cool and full of great classic Berserk moments. Objectively its still important! If you're hyperfocused on the (definitely not fast paced) stuff ever since it ended….its because you even know and give a shit who half those characters are based on the developments and introductions they have during Retribution. None of them make any sense without seeing how they got there in the first place. The whole Beast side of Gutts doesn't make any sense without seeing him living that reality day to day as we do in Lost Children and somewhat in Albion. Farnese...who the heck is she if we don't see her transformation from nasty brat inquistor to softened desperate Farnese as we know her after Albion.
        Her obsession with Gutts (beyond the romantic angle) is based entirely on the Albion events.
        And of course Griffith's return.

        All of the above is true, it certainly has it's place in the manga. I meerly think it is a bit slower paced than the rest of it. It takes much longer to intoduce this second cast than it did for the first one.

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          @Iggy:

          Not completly disinterested but I'm more interested in his character before he became the black swordsman and in what he may yet turn into, yes. The berserker Gatts is a necassary but hopefully temporary stage in his life.

          The berserker has been present the entire story outside the Golden Age. His dark bad years where he ran away from people and responsibilities to be nothing but rage and revenge are super important. Including the neglecting of Casca.
          Frankly it doesn't matter what you're more interested in, because it doesn't change the importance of that part of the series and the Gutts we see pulling himself out of it.

          In the same way I am more fond of Takezou after he becomes Musashi

          Ok great, me too. Would you advise an adaptation of Vagabond to skip Musashi's younger years as a punk teenager?

          All of the above is true, it certainly has it's place in the manga. I meerly think it is a bit slower paced than the rest of it. It takes much longer to intoduce this second cast than it did for the first one.

          The point of all that isn't just to introduce a second cast lol.
          And its seriously not slow paced in any way compared to all that after stuff.
          Sounds like Robby's not the only one who needs a reread.

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            @Monkey:

            Ok great, me too. Would you advise an adaptation of Vagabond to skip Musashi's younger years as a punk teenager?

            No, and I never said that about Berserk.

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              No, and I never said that about Berserk.

              Of course I'm confused here, when in Vagabond are you considering Musashi to become Musashi.
              Because he acts the same as Takezo until…somewhere around Volume 12. And it isn't really until after the year passes and we have him return to Kyoto in Vol. 21 that he's a truly different person.

              My issue here as with my issue with the Retribution arc complaints, is what you folks like about Gutts and company after all that....wouldn't work half or more as well without what came before. Especially with Vagabond. All that time spent watching snotty young idiot Musashi, makes cool kooky sword master Musashi that much more awesome. The transformation. Understanding what he was and where he came from. And time spent on that cannot be a waste.

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                The animation looks crap for the new trailer. It doesn't look anywhere near as good as the trilogy does, they should have went with that style instead.

                reckon they went with it because it's cheaper.

                I'm with monkey. Skipping on that is too crucial. it's never okay in any story to skip background important backstory like that.

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                  The animation looks crap for the new trailer. It doesn't look anywhere near as good as the trilogy does, they should have went with that style instead.

                  reckon they went with it because it's cheaper.

                  I'm with monkey. Skipping on that is too crucial. it's never okay in any story to skip background important backstory like that.

                  I disagree with this. Movies GCI style was super plastic and characters were ugly and barely represented Miuras iteretation… only thing that was decent was battle scenes. Overall I hated movies mainly because they looked like shit.
                  I already gave up on anime when they announced it would be GCI.
                  However after seeing trailer I was positevily suprised and even hyped. I really like 'rugged' aftertouch that break plastic GCI look of characters and make them resemble manga art style more. I think that during post- golden age Miuras art reached it's highest point specially faces look super good.

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                    At-least they're adapting my favourite arc and what I believe to be the last 'great' arc in Berserk. I felt that the arc with the Kushan Emperor was okay (he didn't really interest me as an antagonist however). The current Falconia arc is alright at the moment (minus the Sea God/Pirate crew nonsense).

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                      Berserk Musou is officially announced.

                      Would have prefered Berserk Souls, especailly since we got Arslan Musou last year and that's basically PG Berserk without the Demons anyway, but….

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                        I know some fans dont like Lost Children Arc, but that arc set up how Guts slowly starts regaining his humanity..

                        "IF YOU’RE A MAN YOU DON’T CRY ABOUT IT. YOU TAKE LIFE THE UPS AND DOWNS. IF YOU’RE A REAL MAN YA NEVER GO DOWN YA JUST STAY UP"

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                          I have now seen the old anime.

                          I felt what the anime covered (apparently the first 80 or so chapters) worked almost perfectly as one self-contained story. Yeah, the ending is what it is (which I feel could actually be fixed by just one more episode - just timeskip to Griffith's and Guts' meeting - it's the only thing that still needs to happen in the story in my eyes to once and for all complete it), but I felt satisfied. I'll pick up the anime coming in the summer season, but I don't need more of this story aside from that one detail. Apparently there's another 200+ chapters of the story there, so I guess he just wanted to draw more.

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                            I think it's fine if Lost Children arc gets omitted. It does seem kind of fillery and isn't required to introduce Farneze and crew, they could do it in a slightly different way. I'd just consider it a 'necessary omission' like Wyald or the Snake baron.

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                              @Kizuchan:

                              I have now seen the old anime.

                              I felt what the anime covered (apparently the first 80 or so chapters) worked almost perfectly as one self-contained story. Yeah, the ending is what it is (which I feel could actually be fixed by just one more episode - just timeskip to Griffith's and Guts' meeting - it's the only thing that still needs to happen in the story in my eyes to once and for all complete it), but I felt satisfied. I'll pick up the anime coming in the summer season, but I don't need more of this story aside from that one detail. Apparently there's another 200+ chapters of the story there, so I guess he just wanted to draw more.

                              That's only the case because the anime basically skipped the actual three volume opening of the series, and skipped another volume in the middle of the flashback that give it proper context and scale.

                              The actual manga the setup of the flashback being a flashback and only part of the story is much more pronounced. Whereas the anime it's 95% of it, and they ommitted the other plot elements almost entirely, so it feels fairly complete. ANd Golden Age is probably the story at its strongest, no argument there.

                              It was absolutely the right choice to make given their budget and episode allotment, but no, it's nowhere near the whole story with the rest just being filler.

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                                Well, I thought it probably isn't filler, but it kind of surprises me there's still an additional 200+ chapters when the basic final destination seems so simple.

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                                  @Kizuchan:

                                  Well, I thought it probably isn't filler, but it kind of surprises me there's still an additional 200+ chapters when the basic final destination seems so simple.

                                  If in the basic sense of "Guts keeps going, and eventually fights Griffith", yeah, simple enough.

                                  Or it would be if Griffith was still just a man.

                                  But when you toss in Gut's new family, the effect of demons on the world, creation of empires, and the Godhand shows the scale of power they actually have… no, it's not quite so straightforward.

                                  Its sort of like One Piece. Sure, "Luffy finds One Piece" is simple and straightforward enough. But there's a looooot of other stuff around that basic premise.

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                                    Ah, okay, I get it. Thematically you could essentially do it, but there are probably plot and character development elements that would not make it logical. With the anime it would work because as you said, it ommited that stuff, right?

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                                      They're also skipping out the Lost Children arc.

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                                        December 2015 seems better.

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                                          @KageKageKing:

                                          December 2015 seems better.

                                          Pretty much. Could have spend that money on music or story writing.

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                                            344 ;http://imgur.com/a/RqyMD

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                                              …Did they land on Hogwarts?

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                                                Am i seeing things or does the new chapter look like there's a change in artstyle. Personally in a bad way. lines feel too thick and there isnt a lot of hatching. Was it always this plain on the characters?

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                                                  Finally….......

                                                  “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”

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                                                    Goats are never a good sign.
                                                    http://bato.to/reader#b1720b2509a06ea2_2

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                                                      I hope Casca doesnt attempt to go back to Griffifth once she turns normal..

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                                                        @KageKageKing:

                                                        Goats are never a good sign.
                                                        http://bato.to/reader#b1720b2509a06ea2_2

                                                        I think that you mean goats are always a great sign.

                                                        It looks like we're getting a nice, straightforward and lighthearted arc! Who am I kidding, let's take bets on what disaster will happen.

                                                        Maybe I'm taking those bad translations at face value, but I can't help but think that we're going to actually see the damage in Casca's heart and that reversing it is going to be the next ordeal they face. Maybe her inner demons will come to life? Or maybe the changes of the world will finally catch up to Elfhelm? I'm looking forward to watching this unfold over the next decade.

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                                                          So pleased to see Berserk back!! Was looking at my Amazon history to see when I first started buying the Dark Horse Graphic Novels. Can't believe it was 2006!! Been following this manga for 10 years now, almost as long as i've followed One Piece!

                                                          Amazing series!! Definitely in my top 5 of all time!!

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                                                            @Nugget:

                                                            Am i seeing things or does the new chapter look like there's a change in artstyle. Personally in a bad way. lines feel too thick and there isnt a lot of hatching. Was it always this plain on the characters?

                                                            Pretty sure its just bad scanlation, the preview image for the chapter looked much better than what we have.

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                                                              @LordPerucho:

                                                              I hope Casca doesnt attempt to go back to Griffifth once she turns normal..

                                                              Leaving Guts after all this time he protected her to go back to her rapist…that would certainly be a dark twist.

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                                                                Pretty sure its just bad scanlation, the preview image for the chapter looked much better than what we have.

                                                                Oh thank god. I was getting weird if it was rushed by miura-sensei.

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                                                                  I'm so looking forward to having normal Casca back that I kind of just just want them to skip over talking about the village and it's people to just immediately dive into helping Casca.

                                                                  Literally me

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                                                                    I'm so happy it's back! Thank goodness.

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                                                                      I wonder if Morda will join the Guts Squad.

                                                                      @Wagomu:

                                                                      I think that you mean goats are always a great sign.

                                                                      It looks like we're getting a nice, straightforward and lighthearted arc! Who am I kidding, let's take bets on what disaster will happen.

                                                                      Guts looked happy in a panel, this breaks the natural order of the universe and will be fixed post-haste. See how everything is made of trees? BAM. Now all the tree homes are on fire and everyone is dying.

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                                                                        I wonder if Morda will join the Guts Squad.

                                                                        Guts looked happy in a panel, this breaks the natural order of the universe and will be fixed post-haste. See how everything is made of trees? BAM. Now all the tree homes are on fire and everyone is dying.

                                                                        Probably by a horde of demons who wants to kill and rape.

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                                                                          Guts looked happy in a panel, this breaks the natural order of the universe and will be fixed post-haste. See how everything is made of trees? BAM. Now all the tree homes are on fire and everyone is dying.

                                                                          It's fake happiness anyway. He's right back to frowning in the next panel.

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                                                                            They're also skipping out the Lost Children arc.

                                                                            Where was this announced? Was anything else leaked?

                                                                            I just re-read the first 3 volumes and I really hope they include some of them, but it's looking unlikley. Based on the scenes we've seen with the skeletons I really expected we would get the chapters with the old guy and his daughter/granddaughter giving guts and puck a lift in their wagon.

                                                                            If they do skip the snake baron and count then I guess we'll be starting around here: http://www.mangareader.net/berserk/16/139

                                                                            It's a shame if that's the case as we may not get to see the god hand and femto! Damn!! On a day to go!! I can't wait!!

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                                                                              Apparently the new opening song:

                                                                              I still need to get the lyrics, but I'm guessing it's better than the one talking about putting your glasses on and that nothing will be wrong.

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                                                                                Are you kidding? The Engrish was great. Especially once you start mocking and mistranslating it. "Tell me why I! CAN'T! GET A DOG!"

                                                                                But outside of the glasses bit the lyrics were okay. They were about finding your place in life and stuff. And the instrumental was fantastic.

                                                                                This one's not terribly fitting either, its a bit too typical anime opening for Berserk. Need some more Susumu Hirasawa, far and away the best part of the original anime.

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                                                                                  @kanji_xiii:

                                                                                  Where was this announced? Was anything else leaked?

                                                                                  I just re-read the first 3 volumes and I really hope they include some of them, but it's looking unlikley. Based on the scenes we've seen with the skeletons I really expected we would get the chapters with the old guy and his daughter/granddaughter giving guts and puck a lift in their wagon.

                                                                                  If they do skip the snake baron and count then I guess we'll be starting around here: http://www.mangareader.net/berserk/16/139

                                                                                  It's a shame if that's the case as we may not get to see the god hand and femto! Damn!! On a day to go!! I can't wait!!

                                                                                  Skullknight forums. episode titles were leaked.

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                                                                                    This one's not terribly fitting either

                                                                                    Yeah. That's what I meant by guessing the lyrics are probably better. I don't think this one sounds too good either, though I can take a pretty safe guess at what's happening on screen just from listening to the song. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

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                                                                                      Berserk without Susumu Hirasawa is like nami not wearing a bikini…that just doesn't makse sense. :ninja:

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                                                                                        Gonna get the new opening soon, but I've apparently been informed the best Berserk opening is actually the PS2 one:

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                                                                                          What the fuck

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                                                                                            CG aside (which is ALL people are going to be talking about probably), I did like the first episode story-wise.

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                                                                                              Gonna get the new opening soon, but I've apparently been informed the best Berserk opening is actually the PS2 one:

                                                                                              I think you mispelled "Dreamcast" in there:

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                                                                                                Pfft, whats a dreamcube? :ninja:

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                                                                                                  Poor Casca, the eclipse in the anime broke her so bad that she became white.

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                                                                                                    Its me or Guts voice sounds boring?The way he yells is just….dull.

                                                                                                    "IF YOU’RE A MAN YOU DON’T CRY ABOUT IT. YOU TAKE LIFE THE UPS AND DOWNS. IF YOU’RE A REAL MAN YA NEVER GO DOWN YA JUST STAY UP"

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                                                                                                      Damn, I wanted to like this anime more, but it's pretty hard to watch. It does a few things well. I really really like the music throughout, and the writing is strong enough to still give it that bite that we expect. That last scene after the battle where he's wandering off, it still gives me chills! The animation, though, is really unfitting at times and just plain bad at others. Watching Puck go between cartoon and real form looks hideous. How can something so likely high budgeted look so bad? I didn't fully mind the CG in the movies, and was hoping it would be fine, optimistic even, but facial expressions and things just look so uncanny. What's even worse is the sound design. I stand by what I said about liking the music, but jesus the sound design. Some of the dramatic music cuts just sound like somebody messed up and the sound effects… Then he's battering the skeletons I swear those are just pots and pans and it is noticeably bad. It sounds like he's battling a kitchen. Normally sound effects are taken from a variety of places to emulate things that are harder to capture (like slicing up skeletons with a giant sword), but when I can tell they're pots and pans, that's when they've failed.

                                                                                                      There's just so much on here that feels downright amateur and it's a shame that such a great and classic series has to deal with this. I wonder if this is Miura's choice, since he has to have had a lot of offers before. I hate to say this, since I like seeing people take risks and new directions, especially with stuff I love like animation, but at this point I really just want a straightforward Berserk anime. I hope we can get one more do over with the better people at Madhouse at the helm or something.

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                                                                                                        [hide]Damn, I wanted to like this anime more, but it's pretty hard to watch. It does a few things well. I really really like the music throughout, and the writing is strong enough to still give it that bite that we expect. That last scene after the battle where he's wandering off, it still gives me chills! The animation, though, is really unfitting at times and just plain bad at others. Watching Puck go between cartoon and real form looks hideous. How can something so likely high budgeted look so bad? I didn't fully mind the CG in the movies, and was hoping it would be fine, optimistic even, but facial expressions and things just look so uncanny. What's even worse is the sound design. I stand by what I said about liking the music, but jesus the sound design. Some of the dramatic music cuts just sound like somebody messed up and the sound effects… Then he's battering the skeletons I swear those are just pots and pans and it is noticeably bad. It sounds like he's battling a kitchen. Normally sound effects are taken from a variety of places to emulate things that are harder to capture (like slicing up skeletons with a giant sword), but when I can tell they're pots and pans, that's when they've failed.

                                                                                                        There's just so much on here that feels downright amateur and it's a shame that such a great and classic series has to deal with this. I wonder if this is Miura's choice, since he has to have had a lot of offers before. I hate to say this, since I like seeing people take risks and new directions, especially with stuff I love like animation, but at this point I really just want a straightforward Berserk anime. I hope we can get one more do over with the better people at Madhouse at the helm or something.[/hide]

                                                                                                        Really? Damn and I wanted show a friend so he could get hooked. To be honest I stopped while they were on the boat, and there were maybe 2 breaks before I decided to give it a rest. I have always put this series high on my lists of favorites, I'm just not sure if the pace is for me right now. I have re-read HxH more times so it ain't much on issue, I tend to forget whom is whom or their importance so now I would need to re-read Berserk, maybe if I wait another year I'll have enough new material?

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