Next Crewmate Discussion (Vol. 4)

Super Connard

I didn't know being Luffy's number 1 groupie = depth.

Deicide

Jinbei's introduction was almost exactly the same as Zoro's, so why does his not count? Everything we knew of them prior to their introduction suggested they were bad guys, enemies, or people you shouldn't trust. Coby emphasized Zoro in chapter two, and Yosaku emphasized Jinbei and the Warlords in chapter sixty-nine. Zoro was introduced in chapter three, and was shown to be different than what we were told in the same chapter. Up until the chapter Jinbei was introduced, there was little reason to believe he was anything but Arlong 2.0, but in the end he turned out to be totally different. Hell, they were even both introduced as "prisoners" being held temporarily. He's had growth and development, it just revolves around one aspect of his character for the most part.

There's some difference that you're not acknowledging. True, Zoro was captured. True, people said Zoro was evil. And then we meet Zoro, and his first interactions with Luffy and Cobby just seem to reassure that he may be a dangerous person. Then later at the chapter, the girl appears and we see Zoro actually has a heart of gold.

The fact it happened in the same chapter means nothing, specially considering things moved rather quickly back then. The thing is that when Zoro appears we see him as something, but later in the story he reveals a hidden side of himself.

So now Jinbei is imprisoned and people see him as dangerous. Yet, when he finally appears, the first thing we learn of him is that he's honorbound, thoughfull, loyal… a good guy. The first impression we have of him has not be shaken or developed since then.

The only two moments IMO that show some depth of Jinbei are that moment in which he remembers Arlong and the small flashback of Ace asking him to protect Luffy. I think those moments show some depth because they expand on what we know. We see he harbors some sentiments towards Arlong; we see he doesn't care to protect those he doesn't respect, so he's not just a plain good character. But both moments lacked resolution, being just hints that could go either way: they could expand his background and personality or just reaffirm what we know about him.

@KiShiDo:

No Deicide took over this thread

Someone needs to keep it moving. It would actually be good for the thread if more people were to put their opinions to the scrutinity of others.

@MagneticMonkey:

Don't you see that this thread is an absolute must? At least it generates traffic…

This thread is one of the most fun and lively around here.

@Darkstorm:

I think we can all take away from this that Hancock, Jinbei and Perona will not join.

Yes, but the thread name is "Next Nakama Discussion", so we must talk about someone, right? Coming here just to say "no one will join" over and over is like going to the Strawhat Separation Series thread and talk about Woop Slap.

@KiShiDo:

It will be already funny enough if one certain character won't join… but I would laugh my ass off if no one will join xD

But I predict... The most butt-hurted persons will be the Perona and Boa supporters

I think you're already the most butt-hurted, since you only come here to complain and say how funny it will be when someone's proved wrong.

@Urouge:

I think it's more embarrassing to say something can't possibly happen and then to see it actually happen. Such as a return to Amazon Lily. :ninja:

Or that Hancock would stay behind after the war.

Kishido

@Deicide:

Someone needs to keep it moving. It would actually be good for the thread if more people were to put their opinions to the scrutinity of others.

This thread is one of the most fun and lively around here.

I think you're already the most butt-hurted, since you only come here to complain and say how funny it will be when someone's proved wrong.

Nobody needs to keep this moving cuz it is moving in circles over 500 of pages now.

No I won't be butt-hurted cuz I don't care about who will join the crew. I don't like neither of them that much

You are the one who is caling people wrong if someone is not for Boa or is seeing things in other candidates besides Boa

And yeah Jinbei has no personality… He had much time for quirks during the war or at chilling ID.

That's why Garp, Ace and Luffy had comedy quirks during the war

Darkstorm

@Deicide:

Yes, but the thread name is "Next Nakama Discussion"

No it's not.

@Deicide:

so we must talk about someone, right? Coming here just to say "no one will join"

More like no-one you say will join will join.

@Deicide:

over and over is like going to the Strawhat Separation Series thread and talk about Woop Slap.

Every thread should be about woop slap.

Anyway, I've set out my reasons many atime for why I think none of the favourites will join(except jinbei who I feel will be temp only).

You say "we must talk about someone", but the discussion has been increasingly circular for the last year now.

Ryuunaga

Someone needs to keep it moving. It would actually be good for the thread if more people were to put their opinions to the scrutinity of others.

I agree

No it's not.

Yes it is ._. have you not looked at the title for this thread all this time

Darkstorm

@Ryuunaga:

Yes it is ._. have you not looked at the title for this thread all this time

I don't know, have you looked at it during tha last year or so.

Halfmetal-lich

The discussion has been circular because no one else has come up to be considered as a candidate. Just the same people…

Mugiwara_no_Ice

@Ryuunaga:

Yes it is ._. have you not looked at the title for this thread all this time

You should look a little closer man. :p

And this thread is a good one, even if the discussions are turning in circles.

Ryuunaga

I don't know, have you looked at it during tha last year or so.

Yea and I see Next Crewmate Discussion

quotFirePriestquotHughes

Oh, I see it says "Next Crewmate Discussion."

So, Mr. 3, Perona, and Gecko Moria for Buggy's Crew. :ninja:

Coolnerd89

I think that's what he was talking about, it says Crewmate.
Idk, maybe he's picky.
Anyway, I think the next crewmate might be someone from a place that we havn't seen yet :D

Darkstorm

Tasukete! Tomaranai!

Sea

@Deicide:

Someone needs to keep it moving.

Why ?

Ivyna J. Spyder

Hm. At least a few people still think that 'former boss' line can be used for evidence, but I see a lot of people translating it wrong.

過去のボスキャラを仲間にして新世界へ。

(As cited from several Japanese blogs.)

'Kako no bosu kyara' means 'boss character from the past'. Not 'former boss'. And 'bosu kyara' is a term I see refer to 'bosses' in video games like Dedede or Bowser or something.

Considering it was said towards the end of 2008, then it must have referred to someone Luffy fought prior to that point, yes?

Just throwing that out there. Considering how long ago it was said there's a good chance of either Oda's plans changing in the meantime, or it could have been a rumor, BUT if anyone still wants to use it for evidence at least use the right meaning. :)

herr_sebbe

@Ivyna:

Hm. At least a few people still think that 'former boss' line can be used for evidence, but I see a lot of people translating it wrong.

過去のボスキャラを仲間にして新世界へ。

(As cited from several Japanese blogs.)

'Kako no bosu kyara' means 'boss character from the past'. Not 'former boss'. And 'bosu kyara' is a term I see refer to 'bosses' in video games like Dedede or Bowser or something.

Considering it was said towards the end of 2008, then it must have referred to someone Luffy fought prior to that point, yes?

Just throwing that out there. Considering how long ago it was said there's a good chance of either Oda's plans changing in the meantime, or it could have been a rumor, BUT if anyone still wants to use it for evidence at least use the right meaning. :)

If it means having to give up your current support, no one will use the right meaning. They'll keep trying to bend it. Still, there could of course be some other side to it, like with the "A crew member will die" line.

Also, I don't think Oda would change his plans so radically as to switch who will join and who will not, not after it's already so set in stone that he dares to reveal it.

AGOG

It fits someone of Crocodile's caliber, or Buggy the Clown's caliber…

Again, the "boss" is synonymous with any "boss" implication; since, it is derived from the same exact meaning to infer either..

The quote only kills Hancock.

OneManCollectiblez

@AGOG:

It fits someone of Crocodile's caliber, or Buggy the Clown's caliber…

Again, the "boss" is synonymous with any "boss" implication; since, it is derived from the same exact meaning to infer either..

The quote only kills Hancock.

In what way ?

herr_sebbe

@AGOG:

It fits someone of Crocodile's caliber, or Buggy the Clown's caliber…

Again, the "boss" is synonymous with any "boss" implication; since, it is derived from the same exact meaning to infer either..

The quote only kills Hancock.

In English, yes.

Either way, to those that argue for Jinbei, he was referred to as "Oyabun", not "Bosu", am I in the wrong? I know it's probably synonymous, but there have been arguments in the past regarding Oda's selection of words for his position.

AGOG

@OneManCollectiblez:

In what way ?

'Kako no bosu kyara' means 'boss character from the past'. Not 'former boss'. And 'bosu kyara' is a term I see refer to 'bosses' in video games like Dedede or Bowser or something.

That…

Ryuunaga

like with the "A crew member will die" line

That line is true if you count Merry as a member of the crew

OneManCollectiblez

@AGOG:

'Kako no bosu kyara' means 'boss character from the past'. Not 'former boss'. And 'bosu kyara' is a term I see refer to 'bosses' in video games like Dedede or Bowser or something.

That…

Eehm. Boss character from the past?. I can tell u 1 thing.

Only Jimbei fits that.

Since Croc has Authority still over Mr 1.

And Buggy has his Own Crew.

The Only 1 Directly with luffy now are Boa and Jimbei.

Maybe Boa stays back at her place and orders Jimbei to get luffy to Fishmans island.

But still.

If Boa gets kicked from her position as boss, than it means she is a former boss.

So than it's most likely that Boa Joins.

Still with the boss things.

I still chose Boa who will Reject her Throne and gets on the ship with luffy and jimbei. I'm guessing Jimbei will be like Vivi and stays at fishmanisland to keep Peace there.

And remember this isn't a game. Boss means Boss and that means ''One who makes decisions or exercises authority''.

So this way i can still see BOA as a Boss

EDIT:

I now see that the quote was a long time ago.

So it could just mean Brook Coz he was boss of his crew;)

herr_sebbe

@OneManCollectiblez:

Eehm. Boss character from the past?. I can tell u 1 thing.

Only Jimbei fits that.

Since Croc has Authority still over Mr 1.

And Buggy has his Own Crew.

The Only 1 Directly with luffy now are Boa and Jimbei.

Maybe Boa stays back at her place and orders Jimbei to get luffy to Fishmans island.

But still.

If Boa gets kicked from her position as boss, than it means she is a former boss.

So than it's most likely that Boa Joins.

Still with the boss things.

I still chose Boa who will Reject her Throne and gets on the ship with luffy and jimbei. I'm guessing Jimbei will be like Vivi and stays at fishmanisland to keep Peace there.

And remember this isn't a game. Boss means Boss and that means ''One who makes decisions or exercises authority''.

So this way i can still see BOA as a Boss

EDIT:

I now see that the quote was a long time ago.

So it could just mean Brook Coz he was boss of his crew;)

…...............fail.

That line is true if you count Merry as a member of the crew

No no. It's true, that's not what I was arguing, but no one saw Merry as a part of the crew at the time until the moment arrived, now did they? Similarily, I could see Oda be twisting his words somehow again to make it seem as if it means something else. :P

GetsugaZoro

@OneManCollectiblez:

Eehm. Boss character from the past?. I can tell u 1 thing.

Only Jimbei fits that.

Since Croc has Authority still over Mr 1.

And Buggy has his Own Crew.

The Only 1 Directly with luffy now are Boa and Jimbei.

Maybe Boa stays back at her place and orders Jimbei to get luffy to Fishmans island.

But still.

If Boa gets kicked from her position as boss, than it means she is a former boss.

So than it's most likely that Boa Joins.

Still with the boss things.

I still chose Boa who will Reject her Throne and gets on the ship with luffy and jimbei. I'm guessing Jimbei will be like Vivi and stays at fishmanisland to keep Peace there.

And remember this isn't a game. Boss means Boss and that means ''One who makes decisions or exercises authority''.

So this way i can still see BOA as a Boss

EDIT:

I now see that the quote was a long time ago.

So it could just mean Brook Coz he was boss of his crew;)

Boss characters means villan of the arc…i think that was an old quoto refering to Franky but i might be saying a retarded thing, but yeah the boss character is the villan of an arc so Jimbei wouldnt fit anyway.

herr_sebbe

@GetsugaZoro:

Boss characters means villan of the arc…i think that was an old quoto refering to Franky but i might be saying a retarded thing, but yeah the boss character is the villan of an arc so Jimbei wouldnt fit anyway.

Not necessarily "the villain", but it could also be "a villain", seeing as there are some mid-bosses to take care of on the way.

JERK DISEASE

Agog and Herre Sebe on the short program tonight Cal, performing a dance called "Skirting around the issue" to the tune of "Perona in no way shape or form qualifies as a boss character, former or otherwise".

herr_sebbe

@JERK:

Agog and Herre Sebe on the short program tonight Cal, performing a dance called "Skirting around the issue" to the tune of "Perona in no way shape or form qualifies as a boss character, former or otherwise".

And why not? How would you know Oda definitely meant "last boss"? This is exactly what I'm talking about when saying it could be similiar to the Merry issue. Everything isn't what it looks like at first sight.

Super Connard

Perona was the commander of the surprise and animal zombies. She could be considered a former mini boss.

Otherwise only Croc fits the bill.

herr_sebbe

@Super:

Perona was the commander of the surprise and animal zombies. She could be considered a former mini boss.

That too, but that's not the actual point. The "boss" part refers not to a "boss" as a commander or chief or warden or whatever, but it refers to something in the style of an antagonist character that posed an obstacle to the protagonists somewhere along the road, like bosses in a game. See the previous page for a better explaination.

AGOG

Try the HOP program please!!

Ivyna J. Spyder

Exactly, herr sebbe. :)

I've never seen the english term 'boss character' used in Japanese any other way. It's a special term all on its own.

Super Connard

Then Perona definitely fits the bill as well.

herr_sebbe

Now that I agree with! :D

OneManCollectiblez

oda is vague. Boss could mean all kind of things. As i said it could mean a ''Character that exercises authority''.

So this way i can still see BOA as a Boss

@herr sebbe

Ure the 1 that fails.

U play to many games to see Boss. As a Boss in a game.

OneManCollectiblez

@herr_sebbe:

Not necessarily "the villain", but it could also be "a villain", seeing as there are some mid-bosses to take care of on the way.

U play to many games friend

ctarlong910

@OneManCollectiblez:

oda is vague. Boss could mean all kind of things. As i said it could mean a ''Character that exercises authority''.

So this way i can still see BOA as a Boss

@herr sebbe

Ure the 1 that fails.

U play to many games to see Boss. As a Boss in a game.

It's pretty ironic how you start off your post stating that their are many interpretations of "Boss Character" and end it by bashing another member because of his interpretation.

OneManCollectiblez

@ctarlong910:

It's pretty ironic how you start off your post stating that their are many interpretations of "Boss Character" and end it by bashing another member because of his interpretation.

only said that coz he was ignorant for thinking that i fail. Coz i am saying that Boss also could mean this. Thats why i bash him

herr_sebbe

@OneManCollectiblez:

only said that coz he was ignorant for thinking that i fail. Coz i am saying that Boss also could mean this. Thats why i bash him

In English, Boss, yes it could. In Japanese, Bosu Kyara, no it couldn't. Think outside the box: Oda didn't say it in English.

As for the "You play too many games"-comment, seriously whut? I just repeated what was confirmed during the last thread page. Read it and you'll see why I wrote you fail.

Personally, I don't play that many games at all. If I can't simply pick it up and end it over a lap of ten-fifteen minutes tops, I don't bother.

yami6302

@herr_sebbe:

In English, Boss, yes it could. In Japanese, Bosu Kyara, no it couldn't. Think outside the box: Oda didn't say it in English.

As for the "You play too many games"-comment, seriously whut? I just repeated what was confirmed during the last thread page. Read it and you'll see why I wrote you fail.

Personally, I don't play that many games at all. If I can't simply pick it up and end it over a lap of ten-fifteen minutes tops, I don't bother.

how would Oda said "boss" in english anyway? it's gonna be romanized into bosu anyway, unless you mean he have to say the entire statement in English

herr_sebbe

@yami6302:

how would Oda said "boss" in english anyway? it's gonna be romanized into bosu anyway, unless you mean he have to say the entire statement in English

Why on earth would he do that?

Deicide

Hmmm… I always wanted to know what word Oda (supposedly) said. Now I know it's the word I always expected it to be.

If we are to believe this "boss" thing as true, I'd say the two candidates that fit are Hancock and Perona. Both were already around in 2008 (Hancock was introduced in september 2008) and both were "bosses" (however Hancock was not defeated in combat).

However, if we take the "from the past" part literally, then Perona would fit the bill better.

However, for supporters of whatever character, don't lose hope and remember: authors always "lie" ("a crewmate will die"... it did, kind of), and all this boss thing is not really confirmed (since it's a throwaway comment and not a documented interview AFAIK), so we need to take it with a grain of salt.

herr_sebbe

@yami6302:

how would Oda said "boss" in english anyway? it's gonna be romanized into bosu anyway, unless you mean he have to say the entire statement in English

Why on earth would Boss be in English when Kyara is in Japanese?

Zik

@blym:

that's not what i said :happy:

Allow me to quote you again.

Originally Posted by blym
at least they're better than the people who go, "this won't happen, that won't happen" but not dare to put forth their own predictions and present their arguments to scrutiny :happy:

What I'm asking is why should it be a requirement for a person to make up some prediction just so it can be scrunitized just so they can say "this won't happen, that won't happen" That's what your post basically implies. If you're saying it's not then explain why it's better than what Kishidio brought up. If you have been keeping up with this topic I'd like to understand that reasoning.

you enjoy mudslinging, yet get defensive when someone does the same to you.

Lies. Although I can't recall when someone's done it to me (effectively) and I didn't simply do it back.

you never change your stance, so what'd you join a discussion board for?

More lies. I haven't changed my stance on two characters being talked about in this topic. 3 if you want to count Perona. If you're questioning whether or not I discuss things on a discussion board feel free to read my posts. To say I do not engage in discussion and never change my stance is a flat out lie. Stop lying and actually make a point.

you always abruptly end discussions by falling back to the apparently irrefutable argument that 'its your opinion' without realising that can be applied to every 'opinion' on these very discussion boards.

Lies upon lies. I'm guessing this is just your poor trick you thought was clever to see if I get defensive when some of the mudslinging comes my way. If these egregious claims are actually being made seriously on your part I would like you to prove each and every one of them and I know you can't anyway.

say what you want, but it's not just me, TONS of people have grown tired of trying to conduct a civilised debate with you. and i bet you're enjoying all the attention, so here's a cookie

Given who these ppl are I'm happy and hope they continue not to.

to everybody else: if you disagree with any of Zik's arguments, save your breath. chances are, he'll just say something along the lines of 'your argument sucks', and may i emphasise, WITHOUT SUBSTANTIATING. go check his posting history and his previous account: Zik if you doubt me so.

I've been seeing a trend of this lately. Upset and disgruntled members on this forum slandering other members due to their own frustration and short comings in the debate/argument department or because they simply don't like another member. Routinely making posts that "we" should ignore this user and not respond to this user for things they don't like. Sheep mentality at its finest. Why don't YOU just make use of the ignore feature? Unless my posts and other ppl arguing with me anger you so much you can't help but say something about it cuz then you're just a failure that needs to do some growing up before you even decide to involve yourself with discussion on a forum with other ppl ont he internet.

yami6302

@herr_sebbe:

Why on earth would he do that?

my question was how you would consider he said "boss" in English since you went on and on about how he didn't said it in English, because bosu is basically the romanized form of boss which is how Japanese write foreign words

@herr_sebbe:

Why on earth would Boss be in English when Kyara is in Japanese?

it was a question of your preference which you just answer, and you basically expect the entire statement to be in English for us to use the English meaning of boss and there's nothing wrong with that, i was just confirming

and now i wonder what's the japanese's interpretation of the term bosu and i highly doubt it's similar to game's boss which is separate by stages/level

and in anime, boss tend to be separated by arcs/saga

Ivyna J. Spyder

FACEPALM

Noo, hebbe, 'Kyara' is 'character'. It's English. Kyarakutaa. Bosu kyarakutaa. It's a borrowed English word written out in kana.

Only thing we know for certain is that it doesn't necessarily mean 'leader', it just means 'enemy/villain that the hero has to fight'.

Just to clarify a bit more. @_@

yami6302

@Ivyna:

FACEPALM

Noo, hebbe, 'Kyara' is 'character'. It's English. Kyarakutaa. Bosu kyarakutaa. It's a borrowed English word written out in kana.

Only thing we know for certain is that it doesn't necessarily mean 'leader', it just means 'enemy/villain that the hero has to fight'.

Just to clarify a bit more. @_@

or it can be both, leader and villain, though i tend to think the main villain of an arc as boss, and not his cronies

Verilance

oh my goodness there is a tenryuubito coming up in Luffy's backstory. I wonder which character has ties with them…

just saying...

ctarlong910

I wonder whose not there to hear the story…

just saying...

Also, they didn't have a significant enough impact on him for him to actually remember anything about them.

Verilance

if you keep buying enough cereal boxes maybe you will get a sense of humour free inside…

yami6302

@ctarlong910:

I wonder whose not there to hear the story…

just saying...

Also, they didn't have a significant enough impact on him for him to actually remember anything about them.

Luffy hardly remember anything anyway except for important people he interacted with

ctarlong910

@Verilance:

if you keep buying enough cereal boxes maybe you will get a sense of humour free inside…

No, I have one. It just ignores awful jokes.