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    • Kishido
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      Jinbei handling marine battleships on his own wasn't that much? That chapter named after him pretty much showed how awesome his abilities in water are.

      Jinbei handling fodders with a single punch? Check.
      Jinbei owning Moria's zombies AND one-shoting Moria himself? Check.

      We're just talking about what we have seen of Hancock, which is not much. In theory, she could be a beast in combat. Imagine her having all of her sisters's skills plus her own Haoshoku Haki and Devil Fruit. It could go as this: she uses Snake-Hair Possession to become Medusa-like and ON FIRE, deflecting blows back to the attackers and predicting everyone's movements. THEN she goes around the battlefield, kicking and snake-hair-biting everyone and turning them to stone. And all fodders trying to escape suddenly faint from her Haki.

      Now THAT would be overpowered!

      Jinbei handling marine battleships on his own wasn't that much? That chapter named after him pretty much showed how awesome his abilities in water are.

      Boa and co are able to travel and eat sea kings. And she had a named chapter about her as well
      Jinbei handling fodders with a single punch? Check. Boa handling fodders wthout to attack

      Jinbei owning Moria's zombies AND one-shoting Moria himself? Check. Smoker and Pxs

      I'm not saying both are too strong to join, just that Boa isn't paling infront of the other Shichibukai and I see more than enough.

      But to put it simply… I'm aware of one think. The Robin/Frank syndrom.

      Both were introduced as super powerful and Robin as haxed. And right now they are below the monster trio. I could see, even if hardly, be Jinbei in the monster trio theme as well but I never could see him under Sanji or Zoro. That would be strange. I would be ok if he is above Sanji but that on other hand would destroy the whole Sanji/Zoro argument if suddenly Jinbei is between them and the rivaly of them would be without sense.

      No it isn't the Sanji fanboy in me saying this. But the whole discussions and the whole rivaly theme done by Oda himself would be pointless.

      And for Boa I feel even worse. She could be a second Robin. Pretty hax abilities but she will pale, "down-graded" below the monster trio. I can't see her doing that bad-ass stuff and looking cool like the monster trio (even she could own Sanji anytime soon with her charme 😁).

      I was that sure that Oda would put Franky to that level and introduce him to monster trio level but ever since EL he is paling infront of them. (see TB and against PX who was the leading fighting force)

      it seems that Oda want to keep this 3 monsters theme.

      That's why I hoped some other girl like Marguarite would join the crew. She hadn't to be downgraded or whatever and we have a nice female addition to the crew. Don't get me wrong maybe Oda will put Boa, if she joins, in that usual monter trio theme, but I somehow can't see that. And downgrading Jinbei below Sanji level to keep the rivaly theme and all the argumenting in all forums would be a slap into the face of Jinbei.

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        It's not so much downgrading as Oda just hasn't given them proper fights.

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          It's not so much downgrading as Oda just hasn't given them proper fights.

          But wouldn't you say that they are both above the monster trio now? And would it be disgusting to see a former Shichibukai suddenly on the second row

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            If we are going by what we've seen Hancock do now, then I don't really consider her on the same level as the other warlords. (Just my opinion.) I think we need to see more of her skills, maybe an actual fight, before we can say her powers are "uber"

            Fighting throwaway marines, kicking Smoker (Luffy did the same thing in Alabasta) and fighting PXs off screen just doesn't seem to be enough evidence yet.

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              Bon Clay would have been hilarious if he joined Straw Hats crew but I know that is unlikely he died I think.

              I am Mansopp the most manliest man to ever man.

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                If we are going by what we've seen Hancock do now, then I don't really consider her on the same level as the other warlords. (Just my opinion.) I think we need to see more of her skills, maybe an actual fight, before we can say her powers are "uber"

                Fighting throwaway marines, kicking Smoker (Luffy did the same thing in Alabasta) and fighting PXs off screen just doesn't seem to be enough evidence yet.

                WTF? Kicking Smoker? You mean that comedy stuff in the restaurant? He never was able to even touch a serious Smoker. And they need all SHs to even scratch the PX material and landing an finishing blow

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                  That's just what I think..we are trying to make a picture with only 3/4 of the puzzle, we simply need more evidence.

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                    All we need now is Monster Quint.
                    Who the heck need Monster Trio again.

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                      All we need now is Monster Quint.
                      Who the heck need Monster Trio again.

                      Yeah would be cool. But sadly I can't see it for now but I hope Oda would suprise me.

                      The whole crew dynamic are coming from the monster 3. They are the attacking force, the leading force and the main protecting force. And the whole interaction between them is somehow related as well. Zoro and Luffy ant the whole, Wow Zoro could be the captain as well them and is on the same level makes him close to Luffy and the whole Zoro/Sanji stuff is linking them as well.

                      The weaker trio is always around them as well. And I can't see fitting there Boa or even Jinbei. But hey it's bacause we have that over 500 chapters now and I can't see it but Oda can do this.

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                        Boa and co are able to travel and eat sea kings. And she had a named chapter about her as well

                        Her named Chapter was her introduction, and we had no display of her combat abilities (except Mero Mero Merrow, which didn't work on a experienced fighter).

                        Jinbei's named chapter, however, had him demonstrating his water abilities, which were pretty awesome. (I'm talking about the second chapter named after Jinbei, not his introduction).

                        Jinbei handling fodders with a single punch? Check. Boa handling fodders wthout to attack

                        One shows combat ability; another is a hax power like Robin's. While the result is the same, the impression to the readers' mind is different. Once again, the discussion is not about how powerful the characters are, but how much Oda passes the image of power to the reader. Perona was also able to take care of fodder and even main characters instantly, but would you call her awesome because of that?

                        Jinbei owning Moria's zombies AND one-shoting Moria himself? Check. Smoker and Pxs

                        PX's were defeated off-panel. Smoker scene had him being kicked once and then have his weapon broken. Hancock was just holding Smoker back. Moria being punched got a one-and-a-half page spread and conveyed how strong Jinbei is.

                        I'm not saying both are too strong to join, just that Boa isn't paling infront of the other Shichibukai and I see more than enough.

                        No one is saying that Hancock is paling infront of the other Shichibukai. Is more about how much of her abilities have been shown. You're missing the point entirely, because it's not about how strong she really is. It's about the narrative devices Oda has been using to hide her abilities.

                        But to put it simply… I'm aware of one think. The Robin/Frank syndrom.

                        Both were introduced as super powerful and Robin as haxed. And right now they are below the monster trio.

                        I must really disagree here, specially in Franky's case. Franky was not downgraded in the least. His battle with Luffy was short and interrupted by the arrival of Galley-lah. Luffy never got really serious in that fight, and Franky never demonstrated any ability or strength that he didn't show later while fighting alongside the Strawhats.

                        RObin's case is special, because her power is not straightfoward. She pretty much can do the same thing she used to do while working with Baroque Works, but the enemies have gotten stronger. She was still able to pin Moria down, for instance.

                        Try to re-read both Franky's and Robin's scenes before they joined. There's nothing there that they lost since then. Situations were just different back then. Neither of them had a serious fight against the heroes in which the Strawhats had to use all their strength to win.

                        I could see, even if hardly, be Jinbei in the monster trio theme as well but I never could see him under Sanji or Zoro. That would be strange. I would be ok if he is above Sanji but that on other hand would destroy the whole Sanji/Zoro argument if suddenly Jinbei is between them and the rivaly of them would be without sense.

                        No it isn't the Sanji fanboy in me saying this. But the whole discussions and the whole rivaly theme done by Oda himself would be pointless.

                        And for Boa I feel even worse. She could be a second Robin. Pretty hax abilities but she will pale, "down-graded" below the monster trio. I can't see her doing that bad-ass stuff and looking cool like the monster trio (even she could own Sanji anytime soon with her charme 😁).

                        I think you're looking at it from the wrong perspective. While I see Jinbei or Hancock being stronger at the time of them joining, I do think Zoro and Sanji will quickly rise up in strength to match them. That's pretty much sure since both Zoro and Sanji announced to Kuma that in the future they would become greater threats. It's just that of a Monster Trio with Luffy above and Zoro and Sanji competing, we will get a Monster Four with Luffy above and the other three almost equal in strength (and we readers will keep trolling each other about which of the three is stronger). Zoro and Sanji will still be competitive, but the third one will just not care, leaving their dynamic almost unaltered. Sometimes Zoro or Sanji could try to compete with the newcomer, but he'd just irritate them by not wishing to enter such a foolish argument.

                        I was that sure that Oda would put Franky to that level and introduce him to monster trio level but ever since EL he is paling infront of them. (see TB and against PX who was the leading fighting force)

                        I never considered Franky in the monster trio level, even before he joined. I remember those times clearly, because I hated people saying that Franky was too strong to join, when he had done no feat that could compare him to Zoro or Sanji at the time.

                        it seems that Oda want to keep this 3 monsters theme.

                        I don't know. A fourth strong character may happen without really changing the Zoro/Sanji dynamic.

                        That's why I hoped some other girl like Marguarite would join the crew. She hadn't to be downgraded or whatever and we have a nice female addition to the crew. Don't get me wrong maybe Oda will put Boa, if she joins, in that usual monter trio theme, but I somehow can't see that. And downgrading Jinbei below Sanji level to keep the rivaly theme and all the argumenting in all forums would be a slap into the face of Jinbei.

                        I really think it's time for a strong character to join. Ahead lies the New World and things will get really hard. The Strawhats are also about to gain new powerups in their travels, so whoever enters must be able to carry his/her own weight, or else the newcomer will enter already weakened in comparision to the others.

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                        I actually can. I've saw a picture of the shichibukai dressed as samurai somewhere, and it was pretty awesome, with both Jinbei and Hancock looking badass. I'll try to find it.

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                          Her named Chapter was her introduction, and we had no display of her combat abilities (except Mero Mero Merrow, which didn't work on a experienced fighter).

                          Jinbei's named chapter, however, had him demonstrating his water abilities, which were pretty awesome. (I'm talking about the second chapter named after Jinbei, not his introduction).

                          One shows combat ability; another is a hax power like Robin's. While the result is the same, the impression to the readers' mind is different. Once again, the discussion is not about how powerful the characters are, but how much Oda passes the image of power to the reader. Perona was also able to take care of fodder and even main characters instantly, but would you call her awesome because of that?

                          PX's were defeated off-panel. Smoker scene had him being kicked once and then have his weapon broken. Hancock was just holding Smoker back. Moria being punched got a one-and-a-half page spread and conveyed how strong Jinbei is.

                          No one is saying that Hancock is paling infront of the other Shichibukai. Is more about how much of her abilities have been shown. You're missing the point entirely, because it's not about how strong she really is. It's about the narrative devices Oda has been using to hide her abilities.

                          I must really disagree here, specially in Franky's case. Franky was not downgraded in the least. His battle with Luffy was short and interrupted by the arrival of Galley-lah. Luffy never got really serious in that fight, and Franky never demonstrated any ability or strength that he didn't show later while fighting alongside the Strawhats.

                          RObin's case is special, because her power is not straightfoward. She pretty much can do the same thing she used to do while working with Baroque Works, but the enemies have gotten stronger. She was still able to pin Moria down, for instance.

                          Try to re-read both Franky's and Robin's scenes before they joined. There's nothing there that they lost since then. Situations were just different back then. Neither of them had a serious fight against the heroes in which the Strawhats had to use all their strength to win.

                          I think you're looking at it from the wrong perspective. While I see Jinbei or Hancock being stronger at the time of them joining, I do think Zoro and Sanji will quickly rise up in strength to match them. That's pretty much sure since both Zoro and Sanji announced to Kuma that in the future they would become greater threats. It's just that of a Monster Trio with Luffy above and Zoro and Sanji competing, we will get a Monster Four with Luffy above and the other three almost equal in strength (and we readers will keep trolling each other about which of the three is stronger). Zoro and Sanji will still be competitive, but the third one will just not care, leaving their dynamic almost unaltered. Sometimes Zoro or Sanji could try to compete with the newcomer, but he'd just irritate them by not wishing to enter such a foolish argument.

                          I never considered Franky in the monster trio level, even before he joined. I remember those times clearly, because I hated people saying that Franky was too strong to join, when he had done no feat that could compare him to Zoro or Sanji at the time.

                          I don't know. A fourth strong character may happen without really changing the Zoro/Sanji dynamic.

                          I really think it's time for a strong character to join. Ahead lies the New World and things will get really hard. The Strawhats are also about to gain new powerups in their travels, so whoever enters must be able to carry his/her own weight, or else the newcomer will enter already weakened in comparision to the others.

                          I actually can. I've saw a picture of the shichibukai dressed as samurai somewhere, and it was pretty awesome, with both Jinbei and Hancock looking badass. I'll try to find it.

                          Yeah good post… But to be imagine... I can see Jinbei in that monster spot more than Boa just because he is a monster and we saw him looking bad-ass. And no I don't think both will join. Even if Retardia is really sure of that.

                          Dunno I just think... boa would be a greater addition to the whole dynamic of the crew but would be ab bit downgraded that the main focus will lay on the monster trio +and Jinbei would be the greater for a maybe new powerhouse on the level of the main 3. And he could be that I don't care of your shit persoanlity

                          Which one Oda will chose is his choice. I dunno. Personality I'm all for Boa but fighting style wise Jinbei is by far more amazing in my eyes and very unique. It would be sad to let a style like this dissapear.

                          AND STILL NO RETARDIA. I believe ONLY one will join and not both. That would be too much in my eyes.

                          Still if we in one of the next cpaters we will somehow got back to AL.... Marguarite <333333333333333333

                          in my eyes hotter than Boa, a young innocent character without any knowledge of the world, more unique appearance and have some comedy material cuz of her missing knowledge of men. Think about her asking Sanji to show his kintamas xD

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                            Marg, Rindou, Bon chan, Mermaid princess, or Unknown fishman will be fine IMO.
                            As long it's not Perona, Buggy, Croc, Akainu, or Sengoku.

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                              Marg, Rindou, Bon chan, Mermaid princess, or Unknown fishman will be fine IMO.
                              As long it's not Perona, Buggy, Croc, Akainu, or Sengoku.

                              What do you have against Croc -.- (even if it won't happen)

                              A Vegeta-like Anti-hero would be bad-ass xD

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                                Croc is too arrogant.
                                I can't see he joking around and receive order from other SH.
                                It will decrease his bad ass ness if he joining.

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                                  Croc is too arrogant.
                                  I can't see he joking around and receive order from other SH.
                                  It will decrease his bad ass ness if he joining.

                                  It would be funny too see him like Vegeta

                                  Luffy: Help us Croc
                                  Croc: Go fuck yourself losers
                                  still helps them
                                  Luffy: Thank You
                                  Croc: I did it for my boredom idiot

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                                    It would be funny too see him like Vegeta

                                    Luffy: Help us Croc
                                    Croc: Go fuck yourself losers
                                    still helps them
                                    Luffy: Thank You
                                    Croc: I did it for my boredom idiot

                                    I prefer Lady Crocodile than Sir Crocodile.

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                                      Both won't happen xD

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                                        Lol all three should join….Boa, Croc, and Jimbei........along with their insignificant counterparts................Margaret, Bon, and Hachi.. That would make 15 people.....nah. nvm

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                                          Croc is too arrogant.
                                          I can't see he joking around and receive order from other SH.
                                          It will decrease his bad ass ness if he joining.

                                          Too Arrogant? Less badass if he became a Strawhat? -blinks- Ever heard of Zoro?

                                          While I don't see Sir (or Lady… though the female version of 'Sir' is 'Dame' btw) Crocodile joining any time soon, I'd love it if he did. He's far more awesome than Hancock and Jimbei.

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                                            Lol all three should join….Boa, Croc, and Jimbei........along with their insignificant counterparts................Margaret, Bon, and Hachi.. That would make 14 people.....nah. nvm

                                            No one said all of them should join

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                                            Too Arrogant? Less badass if he became a Strawhat? -blinks- Ever heard of Zoro?

                                            While I don't see Sir (or Lady… though the female version of 'Sir' is 'Dame' btw) Crocodile joining any time soon, I'd love it if he did. He's far more awesome than Hancock and Jimbei.

                                            So true… So true. Jinbei and Boa are nothing compared to the epicness of Croc

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                                              Marg, Rindou, Bon chan, Mermaid princess, or Unknown fishman will be fine IMO.
                                              As long it's not Perona, Buggy, Croc, Akainu, or Sengoku.

                                              Buggy wont. He has that stupid crew that will follow him around for the rest of the series. Plus he is SH pole-opposite, they will keep him that way, as a rival (even if he is a weak one)

                                              Schnoobie

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                                                Marg, Rindou, Bon chan, Mermaid princess, or Unknown fishman will be fine IMO.
                                                As long it's not Perona, Buggy, Croc, Akainu, or Sengoku.

                                                Akainu would be a fine nakama. Seriously, turn his Justice fetish into a running gag and we have gold.

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                                                  Akainu would be a fine nakama. Seriously, turn his Justice fetish into a running gag and we have gold.

                                                  He will fist himself for becoming a pirate? 😁

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                                                                        I really think we've exhausted all the points. We just gotta wait for Oda's move.

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                                                                            I really think we've exhausted all the points. We just gotta wait for Oda's move.

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                                                                              No one said all of them should join

                                                                              Lol never said anybody said that…..anyway that would make the weak trio, the insignificant trio, the moderate trio, the shichibukai trio, and the monster trio. Guess which is which, will make a fun game.

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                                                                                well we know luffy loves unique people in his crew and what's more unique then a guy who turns into a gigantic Buddha

                                                                                SENGOKU FOR NAKAMA

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                                                                                    well we know luffy loves unique people in his crew and what's more unique then a guy who turns into a gigantic Buddha

                                                                                    SENGOKU FOR NAKAMA

                                                                                    well more unique would be a guy who can turns into woman (and control hormons) whenever he want…

                                                                                    yes we know luffy loves unique people but each DF is unique so in some sense Sengoku is not unique:ninja:

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                                                                                        Perona For Nakama! That is all

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                                                                                          Something to ponder about Hancock. If Oda was just going to have her for the soul purpose of giving Luffy a way to get to Impel down, why did he bother will the entire "Love Sickness" angle? I mean, before that came up, she had already agreed to give him a ride.

                                                                                          I know that it was the love sickness that made her agree, as she wasn't going to comply to the marines, but it seems that making her fall in love with Luffy wasn't needed, if she was just for that purpose.

                                                                                          Something to ponder…

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                                                                                              Hancock for the ninth and Jimbei for the last.
                                                                                              Epic.

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                                                                                                    Do not talk about spoilers in any way, shape, or form. I don't care if you don't actually say what's in them or whatever. They are not to be brought up at all.

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                                                                                                      Hancock for the ninth and Jimbei for the last.
                                                                                                      Epic.

                                                                                                      i'm kind of thinking this to…. but i will remain undecided in this argument so i can laugh freely at who ever makes themselves look like an idiot by ranting on and on

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                                                                                                        well we know one thing. if hancock joins she will be the ninth, no later. she has huge number 9 thing going on so no way would it be something different.

                                                                                                        but then that also seems to be going against her sinc ein covers when each person gets number its not the number they joined, but that +1, cause luffy is 1 and not zoro. so she would have number 10 for her and that is going against her number 9 theme she has going on

                                                                                                        so you can argue either way for why 9 helps hancock in joining or not

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