Ok, fine, look at it this way, a level 1 fire spell would just be fire, level 3 might be meteors or a volcano or something. Use your imagination people.
Chapter 574 "The Death of Portgas D. Ace" Discussion
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Ok, fine, look at it this way, a level 1 fire spell would just be fire, level 3 might be meteors or a volcano or something. Use your imagination people.
Suggest me a RPG that got meteors or volcano skills. Haven't touched one for years :getlost:
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Suggest me a RPG that got meteors or volcano skills. Haven't touched one for years :getlost:
Oh for god's fucking sake…
Look, which do you think would be hotter: setting your hourse on fire, or a volcano erupting right under your ass?
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So i'm not sure if i'm being toooo speculative here, but aren't the other rookies possibly coming to lend a hand? http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/565/03/
i mean they set sail after the screens went out, and some have some apparent deep connections with white beard? -
Suggest me a RPG that got meteors or volcano skills. Haven't touched one for years :getlost:
Okay, for example Golden Sun had the Volcano, Eruption, and Pyroclasm spells, which were more power than the Fire, Fireball, and Inferno ones.
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Oh for god's fucking sake…
Look, which do you think would be hotter: setting your hourse on fire, or a volcano erupting right under your ass?
Matters how strong the fire is…this video game logic is extremely retarded no matter which side you are on.
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Golden Sun was mentioned?
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Oh for god's fucking sake…
Look, which do you think would be hotter: setting your hourse on fire, or a volcano erupting right under your ass?
I wouldn't like to suffer either:getlost:
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Magma is solid, chunky stuff, fire is not.
Besides that, imagine an RPG. Your mage has a fire spell, and a lava spell, wouldn't you think the lava spell is stronger? It's just that kind of logic, there's nothing more to it.
Since fire isn't solid, that would make it much harder to be damaged. Any attack would simply go through it unharm. Fire simply can't be burned, that's part of it's quality. Oda got it right when Smoker and Ace fight would be pointless since they can't hurt each other. Don't know how he could get magma vs fire thing wrong, they are practically the same but in different form.
Oda should have just had Akainu use haki to kill Ace.
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Well, if you dumped a big thick glob of lava on a burning fire, you'd smother it. There'd still be a lot of heat, but the original fire won't be.
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Ok, fine, look at it this way, a level 1 fire spell would just be fire, level 3 might be meteors or a volcano or something. Use your imagination people.
It's not about which one is stronger. I agree Akainu is stronger. Using your video game analogy, it would be like using level 3 volcano attack on a fire-base enemy. You know what happens right? It does not damage to them and in some cases it heals them. And that's my point. Ace is fire-base, Akainu attack should strengthen him not hurt him.
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So i'm not sure if i'm being toooo speculative here, but aren't the other rookies possibly coming to lend a hand? http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/565/03/
i mean they set sail after the screens went out, and some have some apparent deep connections with white beard?I doubt it…I could be wrong though. I assume that they saw the action was over and left for the NW. Personally, I really don't want them to show up. They don't really have any reason to get involved in the war. If anything they should be happy that they don't have marines attention right now because everyone's at Marineford.
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You can't use regular physics logic. Yes, indeed in reality nothing burns fire. However, we have to keep in mind that Logias don't always work like that. They have a "true" form hidden in their intangibility. Similar to how Crocodile is weak to water, Ace's fire was overpowered by a stronger heat ability. It was fire VS magma, with magma overpowering the fire until it reached Ace's "true" form, in which case it overpowered that as well and burned him.
To simplify, screw physics logic, Logias do not exist in reality hence you cannot pass physics judgment on them.
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You can't use regular physics logic. Yes, indeed in reality nothing burns fire. However, we have to keep in mind that Logias don't always work like that. They have a "true" form hidden in their intangibility. Similar to how Crocodile is weak to water, Ace's fire was overpowered by a stronger heat ability. It was fire VS magma, with magma overpowering the fire until it reached Ace's "true" form, in which case it overpowered that as well and burned him.
To simplify, screw physics logic, Logias do not exist in reality hence you cannot pass physics judgment on them.
So how come Ace can't burn Smoker?
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You can't use regular physics logic. Yes, indeed in reality nothing burns fire. However, we have to keep in mind that Logias don't always work like that. They have a "true" form hidden in their intangibility. Similar to how Crocodile is weak to water, Ace's fire was overpowered by a stronger heat ability. It was fire VS magma, with magma overpowering the fire until it reached Ace's "true" form, in which case it overpowered that as well and burned him.
To simplify, screw physics logic, Logias do not exist in reality hence you cannot pass physics judgment on them.
o thank you so much!!! finally someone who understands this shit doesn't makes sense, and that we should not try to make it applicable to our world's laws!!
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2000 replies!!!
BTW, i am new member here. Have been lurking around, but these recent chapters really make me wish to join the discussion.
Before ch.574 came out, i never want Ace to die, but now seeing what Oda did to convince us Ace is dead, i dont want to see Ace being revived.
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o__o' I thought that the magma just suffocated the flame… It makes sense to me.
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So it is true. When a star that nobody really cares for dies then their Popularity SKY ROCKETS! Murder = more popularity
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I think Luffy is going to become more determined in achieving his deram now that ace is dead. His dream will more then likely take on more meaning since ace told him that he knows that he can do it. Add that with what he said after his crew got dismantled by kuma i think we will see him have the drive to become the strongest person on the sea
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In case if anyone is interested, I made a blog about this: http://inheritancesmash.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/joekidos-one-piece-blog-episode-1-ace-death/
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o__o' I thought that the magma just suffocated the flame… It makes sense to me.
Akainu didn't cover Ace entirely with magma. If he did, then you have a point. He just punch Ace. That would be like throwing a bucket of magma into a forest fire. It would do nothing to the fire but fuel it.
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I don't understand why people expect the manga to follow real physics so closely
With regards to ACE's getting burned into by Akainu so easily compared to Jimbei, Whitebeard, to me it's just simply a case of ACE being more of a Logia and Akainu has Haki or just plain Oda ScienceWhitebeard and Jimbei do not have logia bodies so its gonna need more time and power to burn thru them
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true magma is just a molten rock… and it's lava that burns. so therefore it shouldn't have killed ace. but i guess OP physics and real world's are different after all. it's really sad ace died but his exit was very effective and would imprint to the followers of the series. i just hope garp would go all out and kill sakazuki like a dog, which he is. damn, can't get over this death of ace, btw who was ace referring to in his flashback and wanted to give his regards? could it be roger?
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Akainu didn't cover Ace entirely with magma. If he did, then you have a point. He just punch Ace. That would be like throwing a bucket of magma into a forest fire. It would do nothing to the fire but fuel it.
But partially he did. Like you said, throwing magma in forest fire, the fire would go off in the spot where the magma is thrown. It can't burn without oxygen.
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But partially he did. Like you said, throwing magma in forest fire, the fire would go off in the spot where the magma is thrown. It can't burn without oxygen.
The fire would simply move around the magma. Hence why Ace can take gunshots and other attacks without damage. They will simply pass through him. Think of punching through a flame, notice you can punch through it and the fire splits apart but it will reform back. Fire simply has no solid form. It should be able to regroup, just like how Aokiji can reform after breaking into pieces.
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But partially he did. Like you said, throwing magma in forest fire, the fire would go off in the spot where the magma is thrown. It can't burn without oxygen.
actually magma does not burn it melts, it melted rock/soil in liquid form.
and i stand corrected by my previous post, certainly magma would "burn" fire. as sad as it is, it can't be helped. as sakazuki said it, it's superiority of element.
what bothers me is it seem so easy that ace fall, i mean WB also got received the same blow if i remember correctly. why is he not dead, all he got was scratches. i think it's the haki and power level of the individual which make ace a weakling compare to WB/jinbei.
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The fire would simply move around the magma. Hence why Ace can take gunshots and other attacks without damage. They will simply pass through him. Think of punching through a flame, notice you can punch through it and the fire splits apart but it will reform back. Fire simply has no solid form. It should be able to regroup, just like how Aokiji can reform after breaking into pieces.
akainu have 2 elements,ace have 1 element and smoker have 1
maybe that's it
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The fire would simply move around the magma. Hence why Ace can take gunshots and other attacks without damage. They will simply pass through him. Think of punching through a flame, notice you can punch through it and the fire splits apart but it will reform back. Fire simply has no solid form. It should be able to regroup, just like how Aokiji can reform after breaking into pieces.
but logia users are solid too unless they make themselves logia. but it seems that element too plays important role in one piece that if a logia get hit by a logia of opposite element or a stronger element then their logia state will be cancelled. magma is around 10 times hotter than flame, if sakazuki was just lava i think ace wouldn't die.
akainu have 2 elements,ace have 1 element and smoker have 1
maybe that's it
2 element? he's just magma right?
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Because my brains are starting to split, I came to conclusion. Fire should have some kind of base to burn on, and Ace doesn't have one when he burns. This means it is impossible for me to go on with my theory which relies on the three things that fire needs to burn. Silly me trying to be smart.
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well WB received it head on and counterattacked while ace turned his back on it and took it all in.
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Because my brains are starting to split, I came to conclusion. Fire should have some kind of base to burn on, and Ace doesn't have one when he burns. This means it is impossible for me to go on with my theory which relies on the three things that fire needs to burn. Silly me trying to be smart.
well land, soil, rock can be burned as long as there's air, flame would go on and on. just ace's luck run out when he came across a logia user with better burning ability and i suppose better skills.
well WB received it head on and counterattacked while ace turned his back on it and took it all in.
wb is not logia, ace is logia. wb received the punishment on the chest standing still then counter if i remeber right. i think it's just a matter of physical strength and haki which i think oda deprived ace of.
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It was a plot convenience. That's why Ace got killed by Akainu's magma. There is no science to it… And it's also something where if Naruto did it, this whole forum will be making fun of the fact.
But this is One Piece, so it's allowed to not make sense or follow logic lol.
Still sad that Ace died, though.
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If you compare WB's body size to that of Ace, you will surely see the difference. His size contributed a lot to him (WB) still standing now.
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I still don't get how Ace died.
He's a logia.
Then again, we don't know what Haki is too.
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It was a plot convenience. That's why Ace got killed by Akainu's magma. There is no science to it… And it's also something where if Naruto did it, this whole forum will be making fun of the fact.
But this is One Piece, so it's allowed to not make sense or follow logic lol.
Still sad that Ace died, though.
i do believe that oda do follow basic physics in OP,, no offense but naruto is more of the not make sense.
If you compare WB's body size to that of Ace, you will surely see the difference. His size contributed a lot to him (WB) still standing now.
giants aren't invulnerable to magma,, WB haki protected him, i guess.
I still don't get how Ace died.
He's a logia.
Then again, we don't know what Haki is too.
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he got melted by magma.
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That's right, could be Haki too.
Although, now that I think about it, with the emergence of Haki… Blackbeard's Devil fruit isn't all that anymore lol. I mean, think about it...
He's a logia that can be hurt. It's only real prize was that if can nullify Devil Fruit powers. But now since everyone and their momma has Haki... which does the same thing... Someone (like Akainu) can have a true Logia ability and also have the ability to nullify powers.
Bottom line: Yami Yami no Mi sucks. lol
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a D dies with a smile
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That's right, could be Haki too.
Although, now that I think about it, with the emergence of Haki… Blackbeard's Devil fruit isn't all that anymore lol. I mean, think about it...
He's a logia that can be hurt. It's only real prize was that if can nullify Devil Fruit powers. But now since everyone and their momma has Haki... which does the same thing... Someone (like Akainu) can have a true Logia ability and also have the ability to nullify powers.
Bottom line: Yami Yami no Mi sucks. lol
You misunderstand… Haki only let's you hit Logia... their powers still work.
Blackbeard stops EVERYTHING.
So....
No magma fist, if BB strikes first.
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That's right, could be Haki too.
Although, now that I think about it, with the emergence of Haki… Blackbeard's Devil fruit isn't all that anymore lol. I mean, think about it...
He's a logia that can be hurt. It's only real prize was that if can nullify Devil Fruit powers. But now since everyone and their momma has Haki... which does the same thing... Someone (like Akainu) can have a true Logia ability and also have the ability to nullify powers.
Bottom line: Yami Yami no Mi sucks. lol
BB's fruit a bit more than just that… he can suck things into him and use it and such a stuff... But more important...
If he grabs one User... the user totally lose his powers like Ace. For know we know that haki can attack users like logias but not totally negate their powers.
Ace and BB were both aware of haki, so BB has his reason for this fruit.
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That's right, could be Haki too.
Although, now that I think about it, with the emergence of Haki… Blackbeard's Devil fruit isn't all that anymore lol. I mean, think about it...
He's a logia that can be hurt. It's only real prize was that if can nullify Devil Fruit powers. But now since everyone and their momma has Haki... which does the same thing... Someone (like Akainu) can have a true Logia ability and also have the ability to nullify powers.
Bottom line: Yami Yami no Mi sucks. lol
You misunderstand… Haki only let's you hit Logia... their powers still work.
Blackbeard stops EVERYTHING.
So....
No magma fist, if BB strikes first.
yeah bb stops any df with his touch but gets damage 2x as much.. ouch.. maybe not the bargain many would take. though it seems that bb can handle it.
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it is safe to say
death of ace > death of itatchi
think luffy will get some power out of this like sasuke got out of itatchi ???:ninja:
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http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k304/death_iix/acedead.jpg
a D dies with a smile
I thought today it would stop but …....... it won't :cwy:
it is safe to say
death of ace > death of itatchi
think luffy will get some power out of this like sasuke got out of itatchi ???:ninja:
Death of Ace = best death ever in a manga
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Or just could be that Ace took the punch when he was in human form ,that's all there is to it. If Ace was in fire form he would have not been able to stop akainu's punch, fire has no solid form. No matter how big a fire is you can always go threw it once you can take the heat.
Unlucky for ace he try to stop someone that part of his element but also had a solid form.
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Imagine if BB grabbed Akainu.
BB: You're my bitch for the next 30 minutes.
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i do believe that oda do follow basic physics in OP,, no offense but naruto is more of the not make sense.
What makes no sence is this sentence structure…. but I'll try to make sence of it. >_>
If he followed real world science, Ace would not be hurt, let alone dead. You cannot burn or "melt" fire. It cannot be done.
If this was Naruto most people would write it off as a plot convenience. But since this is One Piece everyone is always frantic for a scientific and real world reason for something. STOP IT. There is none and Oda is not above doing plot conveniences either.
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It doesn't matter that Ace was fire. Akainu punched Aces real body with Haki. Ace having no Haki like Whitebeard couldn't defend against it.
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Awesome Chapter :D
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Ace dies. Whitebeard will die… and the Marines lost a building? Whitebeard or someone alse have to do something now. Or I hope Dragon really give it to them when the Revolutionary story comes in, and Akainu plays a big role. Or Luffy beats him one day in the New World.
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I thought today it would stop but …....... it won't :cwy:
Death of Ace = best death ever in a mangayeah but one of the saddest too, sad because it gone so fast.
Or just could be that Ace took the punch when he was in human form ,that's all there is to it.If ace was in fire form he would have not been able to stop akainu punch fire has no solid form. No matter how big a fire is you can always go threw it once you can take the heat.
Unlucky for ace he try to stop someone that part of his element but also had a solid form.
actually magma is liquid in nature, lava i believe is more of the solid one.
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God damit, for all those sense-obsessed people - try arguing against this statement:
Fisting overrules all laws of OP physics
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Agreed.
Luffy vs Akainu will happen in the New World. To create a built up and expectations. this is how you built up a great story. Unlike in Naruto, the author killed the best villains too early and the expectations. Who cares about Sasu f gay and naruto gone gay.
Luffy might not be able to fight after all the pain he endured.
There is gonna be a huge color spread of
Luffy vs Akainu
Zoro vs Kizaru
Sanji vs AokijiI think Mihawk is gonna finish off WB. There is something symbolic.
i would love to see a luffy vs akainu, but zoro vs. aokiji sounds better (ice sabre) and sanji vs. kizaru (kicking at speed of light)