What is it with DC and Gorilla villains? Monsieur Mallah, Grodd, Ultra Humanite?
Still the sight of a Primate with a gun is so inherently…..wrong.
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What is it with DC and Gorilla villains? Monsieur Mallah, Grodd, Ultra Humanite?
Still the sight of a Primate with a gun is so inherently…..wrong.
Fun fact. A comic cover with a monkey on it sells better than one without.
Strange but true.
Also applies to Abraham Lincoln, and Star Wars parodies.
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Now that you mention it, I did buy the Hit-Monkey 3-parter on a promo image alone…
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Good episode, Was Rob Lowe the voice of Captain marvel? Cause thats pretty awesome. Also Superboy should name that wold, Ghost.
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The new episode was awesome
Great to see Joker,Poison Ivy,Wotan,Count Vertigo,Black Adam,Atomic Skull,and Ultra Humantie in the show we even got Plasticman,Blue Devil,Guy Gardner,Icon and Rocket as cameos plus we get to see The Light
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! Worst. Joker. Ever.
! Even if it was nice to see him finaly usin knives.
! Other than that, who were the Light?
! Lex, Rah a Ghoul, that demon kid from 8 chapters ago, the brain, who was the one with the scar, the masked one and the woman? -
! Worst. Joker. Ever.
! Even if it was nice to see him finaly usin knives.
! Other than that, who were the Light?
! >! Lex Luthor, R'as Al Ghul, Brain, Klarion the Witch Boy, Ocean Master, Queen Bee, and VANDAL MOTHERFUCKIN SAVAGE. Those appear to be the seven head honchos. Overall good choices other than Brain. -
Worst. Joker. Ever.
I wouldn't go so far as to label him worst Joker ever so much as creepiest Joker ever.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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I wouldn't go so far as to label him worst Joker ever so much as creepiest Joker ever.
He wasn't particulary creepy, He was just talking to talk, not to his peers or the kids, but to the audience, the jokes weren't funny, he wasn't angular enough, and the suit was ugly.
I liked the knifes, the sucide attempt (Well, he would survive), and that he at least talked, the rest of the Injustice League were mostly mute.
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When the biggest pull of a character is "he used swichblades" it's a letdown.
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He wasn't particulary creepy, He was just talking to talk, not to his peers or the kids, but to the audience, the jokes weren't funny,
I can't remember too many times I heard a sociopath,homicidal maniac like Joker tell jokes that were legitimately funny.
and the suit was ugly.
When has Joker ever worn something that wasn't ugly or tacky.
the rest of the Injustice League were mostly mute.
Most of them got ample talking time except Black Adam, Ultra-Humanite,and the dead looking guy whose name escapes me at the moment.
When the biggest pull of a character is "he used swichblades" it's a letdown.
In between controlling Ivy's plants & stealing almost every scene he was in.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Cool to see Black Adam & Savage. Hope BA gets reused.
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I'm a little surprised they used Black Adam and Wotan as part of the supervillain front organization and not as part of the real deal. Is Klarion a more powerful sorcerer than Wotan? And don't even try and tell me that Black Adam brings less to the team than Brain does.
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I'm pretty sure BA is stronger then everyone in either organisation, if they're going by the comics - he certainly didn't look like he was being remotely tested by YJ. And they had Wotan beat Fate.
I'm guessing there may be a later breakout once the light unveil their master plan, which would be simple now Hugo Strange is in charge.
The Light struck me as a incredibly intellectual group - Lex, Ra's, Brain, Savage…Not particularly heavy on firepower.
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I can't remember too many times I heard a sociopath,homicidal maniac like Joker tell jokes that were legitimately funny.
When has Joker ever worn something that wasn't ugly or tacky.
Not "Haha" Funny, but in a way that you could get the joke if you twisted your mind a little.
And i'm not talking about ugly, as he always has looked shaggy, the suit didn't suited him.
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I'm pretty sure BA is stronger then everyone in either organisation, if they're going by the comics - he certainly didn't look like he was being remotely tested by YJ. And they had Wotan beat Fate.
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The Light struck me as a incredibly intellectual group - Lex, Ra's, Brain, Savage...Not particularly heavy on firepower.
I'd generally agree, but they also struck me as a group with a lot of control. Lex is an industrialist with vast economic and technological resources, R'as controls an enormous underground network of assassins, Ocean Master is Aquaman's biggest challenger for rule of Atlantis and is a powerful magic user, and Queen Bee commands an army of alien drones. Vandal Savage is Vandal fuckin' Savage and has all kinds of shit up his sleeve, in addition to being straight-up immortal. Those five command a lot on their own, are each associated with a different member of the Justice League (although Savage and Bee are generally associated with the whole League), and I feel are great choices as members of The Light.
I really don't have a good idea of Klarion's magical prowess OR the forces he commands, so I could be wrong but I generally doubt his value to the group over a more powerful sorcerer like, say, Morgaine le Fey. The Brain I am even less familiar with; is he so smart that he brings something to a team that includes Lex Luthor and Vandal Savage? I don't think so. In a perfect world, I would have Black Adam or even another alien warrior-king like Despero, Maxima, or Mongul instead of Brain, and a more-powerful magic user instead of Klarion. Hell, maybe involve one of the Greek immortals instead of Klarion.
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I'd generally agree, but they also struck me as a group with a lot of control. Lex is an industrialist with vast economic and technological resources, R'as controls an enormous underground network of assassins, Ocean Master is Aquaman's biggest challenger for rule of Atlantis and is a powerful magic user, and Queen Bee commands an army of alien drones. Vandal Savage is Vandal fuckin' Savage and has all kinds of shit up his sleeve, in addition to being straight-up immortal. Those five command a lot on their own, are each associated with a different member of the Justice League (although Savage and Bee are generally associated with the whole League), and I feel are great choices as members of The Light.
Yeah. I do love the use of Savage and Bee. Morrisons DC 1,000,000 & the JLA run that culminated in WW3 made me big fans of them.
I really don't have a good idea of Klarion's magical prowess OR the forces he commands, so I could be wrong but I generally doubt his value to the group over a more powerful sorcerer like, say, Morgaine le Fey. The Brain I am even less familiar with; is he so smart that he brings something to a team that includes Lex Luthor and Vandal Savage? I don't think so. In a perfect world, I would have Black Adam or even another alien warrior-king like Despero, Maxima, or Mongul instead of Brain, and a more-powerful magic user instead of Klarion. Hell, maybe involve one of the Greek immortals instead of Klarion.
Klarion might be a shoutout to PAD, who used him in the YJ comic book. As for his strength, we've pretty much already seen that - this version seemed more then a match for Fate before YJ used his cat to banish him. I agree Black Adam would be perfect fit on an uber-villain team, but I'm happy for now to see where Weisman's going with this.
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Klarion is at his best when he insists on his full title.
"Klarion… Bum... Bum... Bum... The Witch Boy"
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Brent Spiner was The Joker here. It's a shame he didn't do better as it's a role that should fit him like a glove.
Otherwise, great episode. I think it'd be funny if Wally wound up not caring when he learns of Super-Mart
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Every time that version of the Joker was onscreen, I kept thinking of that sequence in Mask of the Phantasm when Bruce realizes who the Joker is by drawing a smiley face on an old photo of him and his gangster colleagues. Only here, I kept seeing him use a picture of David Tennant as the 10th Doctor.
And it's like they went out of their way to cast an awesome voice actor and then gave him nothing to do at all with it.
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I liked the Joker character at first. But each time he was on screen he got worst.
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I like the design of this Joker, but I just wasn't feeling his voice. Sure it sounds creepy and all, but just lacks that mastery of delivery of Hamil, and other previous voices for the Joker.
Its not awful, just underwhelming. I think it has more to do with the direction than the actual actor.
Also a minor nitpick, I feel that when the Joker is first revealed we should have gotten a better reaction to him appearing in that group, also I want a reaction from Batman upon seeing his greatest enemy. Another thing, this ep should have acted as more of a two parter since it would have paced this a little better… this just felt rushed to me.
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Yeah, they're clearly trying to pull back on the Joker and go a different direction, since Brent Spiner is perfectly capable of doing crazy prankster (looks at his role as Puck in Gargoyles) but that was… meh. It was very restrained, not over the top at all.
Its not necessarily the show's fault, we've got 20 years of Hammil Joker to compare against. Even The Batman, when giving Joker a radically different design, still went for a very similar sound and attitude. Trying to do something different, but I don't know if Joker was the character to go in a vastly different direction with when they've got literally hundreds of other characters they can tweak without anyone noticing.
And I apparently missed an episode or two. I need to backtrack. When did they get a wolf?
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@RobbyBevard:
Yeah, they're clearly trying to pull back on the Joker and go a different direction, since Brent Spiner is perfectly capable of doing crazy prankster (looks at his role as Puck in Gargoyles) but that was… meh. It was very restrained, not over the top at all.
Its not necessarily the show's fault, we've got 20 years of Hammil Joker to compare against. Even The Batman, when giving Joker a radically different design, still went for a very similar sound and attitude. Trying to do something different, but I don't know if Joker was the character to go in a vastly different direction with when they've got literally hundreds of other characters they can tweak without anyone noticing.
Well Brave & the Bold was (in my opinion) wildly successful with its silver age joker. YJ's was more or less just there, he didn't have the impact a guy like Joker should have, and that both Hamill & Bennett both gave him.
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And I apparently missed an episode or two. I need to backtrack. When did they get a wolf?
Episode 13, "Alpha Male" - which was the one before the latest ep.
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@RobbyBevard:
Yeah, they're clearly trying to pull back on the Joker and go a different direction, since Brent Spiner is perfectly capable of doing crazy prankster (looks at his role as Puck in Gargoyles) but that was… meh. It was very restrained, not over the top at all.
That's really the problem though as it came as restrained, creepy serial killer just doesn't work for the Joker. When it comes down to it, you really could have switched out the Joker for the Scarecrow or any villain that has a gas based attack and not really made much of a difference.
And I apparently missed an episode or two. I need to backtrack. When did they get a wolf?
The one where Captain Marvel got beat up by a supermammoth.
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Well
! It looks like we're heading toward a robinxzatanna pairing. Anyway, good episode, Red Tornado wanting to take of the scientist who created him at the end was a touching moment. And does the YJ team know that Captain Marvel is actually a kid?
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No, they don't know. The bit where he came back in at the end cracked me up.
Good episode, but then I'm always a sucker for JSA & Morrison stuff.
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I laughed my ass off and had to pause the playback when Red Volcano dropped that Meatbags line. Zatanna was great, and I even like Zatarra as an overprotective dad. Great episode overall.
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OK does anybody else really really really want Zatanna to join the team?
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Maybe it's because she doesn't have an annoying catchphrase and isn't a total bitch, but I like Zatanna more than Artemis or Miss Martian….
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Probably down the road, she'll join the team.
As for my opinion of Brent Spiner's Joker, I'm not feeling it. Part of what makes Joker unpredictable is that you can't tell whether or not he's joking or not. And, Brent's Joker isn't funny. He doesn't sound like he's having fun either. I dunno. Maybe he'll get better down the line. But, the design is OK though, I think.
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Failsafe…. That was the newest episode of young justice. I don't think I will ever get tired of this episode. And if you've seen it you should know why.
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Failsafe. That was a hell of an episode right there.
! No really, spoiler.
! Show is finally firing on all cylinders after getting the cast together and properly bonded with some chemistry going back and forth.
! It had me going for a while. I assumed that'd it just be teleporters right off the bat, especially when they hit the big timers in the first moments of the show. And especially after they got Artemis. And then they said "No. Its real." And for a second, I wondered. There was clearly a twist coming up, I had assumed it would be that it was Martians invading. We've been promised that one of the leads would die after all. And hell, wiping the slate clear of the big mainstays would be… big. And completely change the series in ways you just can't do in the comics...
! and yet... it was really, painfully obvious that it was all just going to be a dream once it became clear that it wasn't a two parter, and after the casualties really piled on. I hate, hate, hate HATE that copout. Its not fair to the audience to go super amazingly dark and world breaking to just go "Nah, fooled ya!" at the end of it. Its my least favorite thing in all of writing. Ocassionally the big twist at the end pays it all off, but it is RARE.
! Still, it was a pretty great episode for the first 15 minutes. It was easily going the route of the strongest episode of the show. Be neat if they did something similar for reals later. If they can capture that danger and level of emotion in a real episode, it'd be nice.
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Wow, very dark episode.
! I had a feeling it wasn't real though, since none of the YJ members reacted to seeing the big guns getting taken out so easily.
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Wow, very dark episode.
! I had a feeling it wasn't real though, since none of the YJ members reacted to seeing the big guns getting taken out so easily.
! Maybe the show was playing fair in that regard. They were calm and collected and "knew it was a drill" up until they lost one of their own, and then they started getting ay more emotional about it all.
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! Well, once it was revealed for sure that the aliens weren't using teleportation rays, I pretty much knew that it had to all be a dream sequence or whatever. Yeah, a cheap trick, but a pretty tight episode otherwise.
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I agree with most if not all of the sentiments above (avoiding spoilers here…). Am I the only person that got a Dark Phoenix vibe from the final lines of dialogue?
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! JESUS OF NAZARETH that was a dark episode. Even expecting it to be a dream sequence or something. I'm officially on board with the people that think M'gann will be the traitor. I could see her powers corrupting her and causing her to betray the team, with some thought like "If I kill you now, I can protect you from a painful death at a villains hand" sort of thing.
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! JESUS OF NAZARETH that was a dark episode. Even expecting it to be a dream sequence or something. I'm officially on board with the people that think M'gann will be the traitor. I could see her powers corrupting her and causing her to betray the team, with some thought like "If I kill you now, I can protect you from a painful death at a villains hand" sort of thing.
The traitor was
! Red Tornado ALready had several episodes deal with that. Now its a question of who is going to die by the end of the season.
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@RobbyBevard:
The traitor was
! Red Tornado ALready had several episodes deal with that. Now its a question of who is going to die by the end of the season.
I know it was
! Red Tornado that betrayed them. I was speculating that there will be another incident that will conclude with the death. I speculate that M'gann will have to do with that
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! Red Tornado was probably a red haring.
! I really hated this episode. The pacing was awful, there was no peaks or valleys. It was a very stressful episode to watch, no time for breathing. Maybe it would've been better if I watched it with commercials. It felt very rushed, and the entire time I was thinking man this feels like it should've been a two-parter. Then I was thankful it wasn't a 2 parter because it was only a dream, what a cop-out. This episode was made just to show how "dark" it can get, and nothing more. What a waste. I think this is the first time a tv show actually made me angry.
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! I really hated this episode. The pacing was awful, there was no peaks or valleys. It was a very stressful episode to watch, no time for breathing. Maybe it would've been better if I watched it with commercials. It felt very rushed, and the entire time I was thinking man this feels like it should've been a two-parter. Then I was thankful it wasn't a 2 parter because it was only a dream, what a cop-out. This episode was made just to show how "dark" it can get, and nothing more. What a waste. I think this is the first time a tv show actually made me angry.
It's too early to judge that yet. We need to see where future episodes go with it before calling it a "waste". The episode was there to reveal
! that M'gann has ultra telepathic powers… but in an interesting way. Gven that this series has tight continuity, and Greg Weisman is at the helm, I wouldn't write it off as a needless standalone just yet.
! This is the man that brought us the Future Tense episode of Gargoyles. And while that was played as "just a dream", it actually was loaded with foreshadowing, major character revelations, had a LOT of repercussions, and tied directly into the episodes that followed. Even though it was a "just a dream" episode.
! Wait and see what the payoff is first, we still have almost half the first season to go yet. The ultimate telepath thing at least is going to be crucial and important. M'gann told Conner that she loved him. Robin found the nerve to stand up and lead in Aqualad's place. Flash had to think about how he felt if Artemis died. The deaths may not have happened, but the emotions and character growth still did.
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Did Wally say he couldn't vibrate his molecules? If not, he could've escaped that ship.
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@RobbyBevard:
It's too early to judge that yet. We need to see where future episodes go with it before calling it a "waste". The episode was there to reveal
! that M'gann has ultra telepathic powers… but in an interesting way. Gven that this series has tight continuity, and Greg Weisman is at the helm, I wouldn't write it off as a needless standalone just yet.
! This is the man that brought us the Future Tense episode of Gargoyles. And while that was played as "just a dream", it actually was loaded with foreshadowing, major character revelations, had a LOT of repercussions, and tied directly into the episodes that followed. Even though it was a "just a dream" episode.
! Wait and see what the payoff is first, we still have almost half the first season to go yet. The ultimate telepath thing at least is going to be crucial and important. M'gann told Conner that she loved him. Robin found the nerve to stand up and lead in Aqualad's place. Flash had to think about how he felt if Artemis died. The deaths may not have happened, but the emotions and character growth still did.
! And, the creator has teased that someone WILL die by the end. So, we're getting a preview of what that kind of fallout is going to be too.! No I know Wiesman is a good writer. Regardless of it being episode that foreshadows and introduces concepts, it wasn't well executed. That doesn't change the fact that it pacing was off, and it felt more like a check list of things he wanted to show us than an actual narrative. I guess sacrificing one episode for the sake of a season isn't too bad though.
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I dunno. I thought the breakneck pace made it one of the tighter more involving episodes of the season. There's time for leisure pacing, and there's time to pull out all the stops. And given the ending, well, it obviously shouldn't have been a two parter.
But I wouldn't be at all surprised if those alien spaceships show up again by season's end.
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Regarding the traitor, I think personally(and this is having read teen titan comics that went a similar path which the series may or may not borrow from, don't read if you didn't read the comics)
! that there will still be a traitor. Not too sure if it'll end up being m'gann or not, but if it is, I suspect she won't be aware of it and it'll be her fellow white martians working through her or somesuch. If she's not she'll probably be accused anyway when outed as a white martian and be cast out of the team for a few eps until the real traitor becomes apparent.
Hopefully that's completely tosh & Weisman totally ignores how the comics handled a similar thing - I'd love to be surprised.
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I been catching up to the episodes. Now on ep 14.
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Personally I don't think Red Tornado is the real traitor. I have theories, but I'll stay quiet on it.
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Hopefully that's completely tosh & Weisman totally ignores how the comics handled a similar thing - I'd love to be surprised.
Well, if they stick with the comics there's always a chance of it being
! Superboy. What with the Lex Luthor half of his dna and dormant programming and all…
But really. Its a Teen Titans series. Its tradition for there to be a traitor on the team. Every itteration has one. I'm not sure if thats for dramas sake, or if because everyone just tries to recreate the Perez/Wolfman run with Terra… I dunno.
But it happens a lot.
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! So this episode pretty much confirmed M'gann is a white martian, Superboy wants to be Superman, Aqualad wants Robin to become the leader, Robin DOESN'T want to become Batman, and more than just GA and Batman now Artemis' secret.
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! It was interesting seeing the team's thoughts on what they experienced from last episode and how they're dealing with it. The Sphere-cycle is a cool substitute for Superboy's inability to fly, and Infinity man reminded me of Voltron.
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Still thoroughly unimpressed with the show as a whole, but this week's episode was pretty alright.
! Superboy's PILDER ON! bit was amusing as hell.
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