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      Still not impressed by the choegraphy.

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      Of course I did. His "death" was forced and silly.And DC characters returned from more blatant "deaths".Well yeah, I know they wouldn't bring him back just to show him alive in the first trailer. But it will be silly if nobody kept looking into the circumstances of his demise in order to try to reverse things. In a series with so many special abilities, complex physics, advanced tech, advanced alien tech and magic?

      He will probably be back but since his death was the emtional gut punch we left of it would be cheap to undo it on a trailer.They have a hall full of people that died like Robin 2 and Aqualad's girlfriend. Aside from them knowing they are on a tv show with Wally being a fan favorite there's no particilar reason for them to believe he didn't get killed like the fictional science of the tornado said it would.

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      IIRC in season 2 it was just the bat family plus Wally that knew Nightwing's secret identity. Correct me if I'm wrong (it has been 6 years since I watched the show) but Superboy didn't call him by his name right? It is nice to see that they have become good enough friends for Conner to call him Dick.

      I don't think Dick keeps his identity secret from other supers since season 2. He is in street close getting attack by a random villain with what seems like random heroes behind him. I don't think knowing his identity is a big deal since he decided to take a different road from Batman.

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        @desa:

        He will probably be back but since his death was the emtional gut punch we left of it would be cheap to undo it on a trailer.They have a hall full of people that died like Robin 2 and Aqualad's girlfriend. Aside from them knowing they are on a tv show with Wally being a fan favorite there's no particilar reason for them to believe he didn't get killed like the fictional science of the tornado said it would.

        Didn't I say so myself?

        Just wanted to unload my concerns. There's also no particular reason for none of them to get ideas about bringing him back.

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        Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

        It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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          @Razh:

          Just wanted to unload my concerns. There's also no particular reason for none of them to get ideas about bringing him back.

          The part about it being silly if they are not searching for a dead hero is what I disagree with. They could be looking, they could not be looking but I disagree that either option is silly.

          When Artemis died last season and they didn't shrug it as something they could reverse with Kryptonian resurrection matrix or spear of destiny. Flash died in Impulse's future world. In-universe death is a real thing that happens to people they know and love. They have plenty of death in their history. They made a floor for that. Aqualad lost someone, the bat family lost someone, Blue beetle lost someone. To the characters death is real. And Wally didn't disappear for them he died in front of them.

          From a meta perspective we know he is not really dead the same way we know Luffy isn't really getting killed in One Piece. But In-universe they don't know that it is a fan favorite that will most likely come back. Their friend just died protecting the world like many before. They could be in denial and be trying to bring him back or they have mourn a dear friend and are trying to move on or a mix of both.

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            Didn't characters, Wally included, get trapped in speed force several times in comics? And animation?

            It's not like someone cut his head off in front of everyone. His body disappeared, which allows for plenty of possibilities his girlfriend and other Flashes would probably want to explore.

            Doesn't one story line have him return from SF much older and taking Barry's place, btw?

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            Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

            It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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              Didn't characters, Wally included, get trapped in speed force several times in comics? And animation?

              Stuff that didn't happen in their world. Which is why I say for a viewer it's obvious while for a actual character in the show it's not. Like people mourning the dead in OP while viewers knows they are unlikely to stick from Oda.

              In Young justice the flashes are just fast. Speedforce is not really a thing. Like Impulse use a machine for time travel which is something flashes normally do with their speed.

              Do I expect it as viewer? Yes. Should the characters also expect it? Not necessarily since they have plenty of fallen heroes.

              It's not like someone cut his head off in front of everyone. His body disappeared, which allows for plenty of possibilities his girlfriend and other Flashes would probably want to explore.

              As a viewer sure. He probably turned into some kind of energy, got teleported or is into the never mentioned speedforce.

              But for the actual characters of the show Wally got repeatdly zapped by the deadly energy that was going to kill earth until he died. That's what they were trying to avoid happening to him. And everything in the scene tell us they believe he died. That's why Artemis blame herself and Impulse replace him. And we are having a timeskip so a period for denial to have give place to moving on.

              Again I am not saying it's impossible they are still searching just not necessary. The characters don't know their lifespan is tied to popularity not actual logic. They could still be trying to find him or they could have move on.

              Doesn't one story line have him return from SF much older and taking Barry's place, btw?

              Wally replace Barry when Barry dies in crisis of infinite earth.

              You might be thinking of Bart replacing Wally after infinite crisis.

              Speedsters shoved an evil superboy into the speed force then only Impulse came back and he replaced Wally for a bit. He was older and had absorbed the speedforce so all older speedsters couldn't use it anymore.

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                Still no footage from Static….Sigh.

                not much but there is this:

                (I don't mean the guy in the car)
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                Didn't see anything having to do with Darkseid. Guess they're saving that for the second half of the season.

                I think you're right. The bat family kept their real identities secret from most of the team. Glad Superboy knows. I glad Superboy's there period. Love his development. He was so rage lord in season one, now he's calmed down even more. Hope all the season 1 team members know by now.

                Yeah I doubt Darkseid will be spoiled in a trailer (even though we know he will play some role due to the season 2 cliffhanger). Superboy maturing was one of the most enjoyable character arcs to me as well. I expect all the 'senior' members of the team will know Nightwing's identity (Aqualad, Super Boy, Miss Martian, Artemis and Zatanna) similar to how Batman trusts Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash etc. with the fact he is Bruce Wayne.

                Also Geo-Force might be the new rage lord, hopefully not.

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                So where's Wally?

                :ninja: he got a book deal :ninja:

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                I don't think Dick keeps his identity secret from other supers since season 2. He is in street close getting attack by a random villain with what seems like random heroes behind him. I don't think knowing his identity is a big deal since he decided to take a different road from Batman.

                His identity is still a big deal since he is Batman's adopted son and revealing that Bruce Wayne's son is partners with Batman kinda gives away the whole thing. If you just mean that he lets his team know then yeah I agree since he seems to be trying to blend in at a party with Artemis and Conner.

                Also if you are refering the to lava guy who shoots lava on the trees (and burns off his pants), he is not a villain, he is Brion Markov aka Geo-Force a member of Nightwing's team (you can see him in other trailers he is the prince who tests positive for the meta-gene).

                Seriously though, regarding the whole Wally "death" thing: for what it is worth I'm pretty sure the show's creators said something about the speedforce not being a part of the Young Justice world because they don't like it. However I still think Wally is going to come back somehow (since he is a fan favourite) but I expect him to be "dead" for at least the first half of the season and them finding a way to save him either being a big 'twist' part way through or possibly a cliffhanger for season 4 if they got the green light for making it.

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                  Even if Wally comes back he might retire again. I don't the team having two speedsters.

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                    I could be wrong but I think a lot of fans would still prefer him retiring since he would presumably get a happy conclusion to his story arc that way. But that might just be my personal bias of not wanting horrible things to happen to characters I like colouring my judgement of what Wally fans would like.

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                      @Cavendish:

                      I could be wrong but I think a lot of fans would still prefer him retiring since he would presumably get a happy conclusion to his story arc that way. But that might just be my personal bias of not wanting horrible things to happen to characters I like colouring my judgement of what Wally fans would like.

                      I doubt they would bring him back and let him be inactive.

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                        Considering that's effectively what they did with Wally up til the end of season 2…..

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                        I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                          Really hoping for 3 things this season:
                          1. Supergirl. I'd love to see how they work in a backstory for her and what kind of relationships she'd develop, especially if there appears a love triangle between her, Superboy and Miss Martian.
                          2. Batman Beyond. If Bart Allen can come from the future, why not Terry McGinnis? Besides, he wouldn't be the only one from the early DC Animated Universe to appear here (Virgil Hawkins/Static did).
                          3. Raven, Starfire and Cyborg (I can take or leave Terra) coming aboard, and with the original Titans all present and accounted for, a short Trigon arc would be cool here.

                          Barring any of those, I'd love to see gladiator-style arena matches with the heroes vs. the Furies on Apokolips.

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                            Batman Beyond. If Bart Allen can come from the future, why not Terry McGinnis?

                            Nothing besides the fact that, Batman already exists in the show that and you have Dick whose basically one of the few guys who like Terry becomes Batman.

                            I mean having Terry come from the future would be a nice idea for a multi part episode but not sticking around permanently like Impulse.

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                            I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                              @Green_vs_Red:

                              Considering that's effectively what they did with Wally up til the end of season 2…..

                              They didn't bring him back. They just didn't use him and strangely the guy that didn't want to be active died. It's a superhero show. They are not going to bring him back to life to let him have a decent life as a regular person. At best he he will spend 1-3 episode in it before realizing that he just can't let other people suffer or that it is in his blood or some other variant of that moral.

                              I'm not a fan of it but it's a superhero show and they aren't bringing back to life a superpowered person to not be a superhero. Especially when he is a favorite.

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                              1. Supergirl. I'd love to see how they work in a backstory for her and what kind of relationships she'd develop, especially if there appears a love triangle between her, Superboy and Miss Martian.

                              She's superman cousin. I don't need her wanting to bone the younger version of her cousin. Also I think she is better served as her own person than a minor part of a team. Like I could enjoy on a league or superman show but on young justice her issues and link to superman would be to secondary or take to much focus to a team that is not the focus.

                              2. Batman Beyond. If Bart Allen can come from the future, why not Terry McGinnis? Besides, he wouldn't be the only one from the early DC Animated Universe to appear here (Virgil Hawkins/Static did).

                              Well no one cares about Impulse world. Most people care about Batman beyond and the history he would bring. Like how did Dick turn out, did he get to have kids, what happened to Batman, how is the world etc… He is good for 1-2 episode but his backstory and time is too interesting for him to stick around.

                              3. Raven, Starfire and Cyborg (I can take or leave Terra) coming aboard, and with the original Titans all present and accounted for, a short Trigon arc would be cool here.

                              Could definitely be fun. Especially if they have couple of mission with that team specifically.

                              Barring any of those, I'd love to see gladiator-style arena matches with the heroes vs. the Furies on Apokolips.

                              That could be fun.

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                                @desa:

                                They didn't bring him back. They just didn't use him and strangely the guy that didn't want to be active died. It's a superhero show. They are not going to bring him back to life to let him have a decent life as a regular person. At best he he will spend 1-3 episode in it before realizing that he just can't let other people suffer or that it is in his blood or some other variant of that moral.

                                I'm not a fan of it but it's a superhero show and they aren't bringing back to life a superpowered person to not be a superhero. Especially when he is a favorite.

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                                She's superman cousin. I don't need her wanting to bone the younger version of her cousin. Also I think she is better served as her own person than a minor part of a team. Like I could enjoy on a league or superman show but on young justice her issues and link to superman would be to secondary or take to much focus to a team that is not the focus.

                                Well no one cares about Impulse world. Most people care about Batman beyond and the history he would bring. Like how did Dick turn out, did he get to have kids, what happened to Batman, how is the world etc... He is good for 1-2 episode but his backstory and time is too interesting for him to stick around.

                                Could definitely be fun. Especially if they have couple of mission with that team specifically.

                                That could be fun.

                                I was hoping they'd go more with her being like her origin from the 90's Superman animated series where she's the survivor of Krypton's sister planet so while physiologically similar to Kryptonians, she's not one and isn't really his cousin, it's just a backstory to explain why she lives with the Kents. Plus it'd be Conner, not Clark, that she'd be entangled with. But I get the apprehension, it just depends on what continuity they go with. I wouldn't mind some awkward borderline-incest stuff though, this is supposed to be a more mature animated show after all, LOL.

                                I do want to see the whole Bat-Family at once, though, which we didn't get to see in the Justice League series. Batman, Nightwing, Robin, Red Robin, Batgirl, and Batman (Beyond), all teaming up on a threat, would be boss.

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                                  @desa:

                                  They didn't bring him back.

                                  Not as active member of the team obviously but yeah.

                                  Originally Posted by Ubiq

                                  I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                    Not as active member of the team obviously but yeah.

                                    He wasn't back because he wasn't written out of the show in the first place.

                                    Also for not wanting to be a superhero he ended up dead and the other one went back to superheroing. So I stand that you don't get to be on the show and truly retire. They are bringing him back and not put him back in his costume.

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                                    I was hoping they'd go more with her being like her origin from the 90's Superman animated series where she's the survivor of Krypton's sister planet so while physiologically similar to Kryptonians, she's not one and isn't really his cousin, it's just a backstory to explain why she lives with the Kents. Plus it'd be Conner, not Clark, that she'd be entangled with. But I get the apprehension, it just depends on what continuity they go with. I wouldn't mind some awkward borderline-incest stuff though, this is supposed to be a more mature animated show after all, LOL.

                                    I don't mind if she's not related to Clark. What I would very much mind is the I want to bone young Clark's body. I'm never a fan of the only close relationship you can have with the sex you're attracted to is romantic or sexual. I want her and Clark to have actual relation either friends or resentment but definitely not romantic. And if you do it with Superboy it is tarnishing that relation.

                                    Then again I don't like batman banging Batgirl and possibly getting her pregnant so maybe I'm just grumpy and I should be fine with the trend of mentor and mentee really want to bang it out.

                                    And if they want to do it they better own up to their incest idea rather than copout on technicalities to live out their fantasies.

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                                      He wasn't written out of the show but he was more or less written off the team along with Artemis.

                                      And as you've notedcame back long enough to bite the dust saving the world.

                                      Originally Posted by Ubiq

                                      I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                        1. Supergirl. I'd love to see how they work in a backstory for her and what kind of relationships she'd develop, especially if there appears a love triangle between her, Superboy and Miss Martian.
                                        2. Batman Beyond. If Bart Allen can come from the future, why not Terry McGinnis? Besides, he wouldn't be the only one from the early DC Animated Universe to appear here (Virgil Hawkins/Static did).
                                        3. Raven, Starfire and Cyborg (I can take or leave Terra) coming aboard, and with the original Titans all present and accounted for, a short Trigon arc would be cool here.

                                        They already did a triangle with Martian, Superboy and Lagoon Lad, I'd hope they wouldn't run that again.

                                        Static was a comics character before he was a tv character. Along with all the other Milestone characters, but he's pretty much the only one that got promoted to main DC player.

                                        Raven, Starfire and Cyborg might be off limits because of the other Teen Titans shows and movies. Yeah they got in Beastboy, but he had a long history pre-Titans and all the other Titan media was off the air at the time.

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                                          I could see Cyborg being off limits because justice league but I would expect Raven and Starfire to be fair game.

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                                            They weren't allowed to use any Batman villains in JLU, so…. (except the one off with Joker they snuck in)

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                                              He wasn't back because he wasn't written out of the show in the first place.

                                              Also for not wanting to be a superhero he ended up dead and the other one went back to superheroing. So I stand that you don't get to be on the show and truly retire. They are bringing him back and not put him back in his costume.

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                                              I don't mind if she's not related to Clark. What I would very much mind is the I want to bone young Clark's body. I'm never a fan of the only close relationship you can have with the sex you're attracted to is romantic or sexual. I want her and Clark to have actual relation either friends or resentment but definitely not romantic. And if you do it with Superboy it is tarnishing that relation.

                                              Then again I don't like batman banging Batgirl and possibly getting her pregnant so maybe I'm just grumpy and I should be fine with the trend of mentor and mentee really want to bang it out.

                                              And if they want to do it they better own up to their incest idea rather than copout on technicalities to live out their fantasies.

                                              I mean, damn, dude, that's way more psychoanalyzing than I would think is necessary. I just figured a genuine Kryptonian or pseudo-Kryptonian joining the team would be someone Connor could emotionally bond with more since Superman isn't really into being a father figure for him (I really hope there's an opportunity for Clark to turn Bruce's advice back on him if Damian is in the picture). Possibly someone who might understand the physiology enough to solve Connor's non-aging issue (if she grew up in that technologically advanced society and knows how to use that kind of stuff). It's long odds but a character like her can create a lot of conflict, but also a lot of resolution, so I think it would be fun to watch the struggle and be satisfied with the payoff in the end. It needn't be sexual or even hint at it. Them having awkward feelings if they do happen to be related would just be funny, but I wouldn't prefer that to her being more like her S:TAS version.

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                                              They already did a triangle with Martian, Superboy and Lagoon Lad, I'd hope they wouldn't run that again.

                                              Static was a comics character before he was a tv character. Along with all the other Milestone characters, but he's pretty much the only one that got promoted to main DC player.

                                              Raven, Starfire and Cyborg might be off limits because of the other Teen Titans shows and movies. Yeah they got in Beastboy, but he had a long history pre-Titans and all the other Titan media was off the air at the time.

                                              LOL, Lagoon Lad was so unremarkable I forgot all about him til you mentioned it. Something with more recognizable characters would have been way more meaningful, especially if the tensions were extreme and the level of power between the rivals is such that any fight would not be easy to call. I don't know for sure but I'd have put money on Superboy mopping the floor with Lagoon Lad if they were to fight to decide who gets M'Gann (without the patches that make his full Kryptonian power emerge). But between Miss Martian and Supergirl? Much closer fight, so the intensity would be far greater. I do kind of want something akin to Superman dropping all his precautions at the end of JLU and just pummeling the crap out of Darkseid even if it means causing Dragonball Z levels of collateral damage, but I doubt a lover's spate would be enough for that. So hopefully them dealing with Apokolips will give them that opportunity.

                                              I didn't know that about Static, interesting (wasn't really a comic reader, most of my experience with the lore is from the shows and movies). But probably if not for the show he'd have been left to obscurity. I am glad to see him here, though. Hope he gets more attention this season. Is it possible his JL mentor would be Black Lightning, I wonder?

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                                              I could see Cyborg being off limits because justice league but I would expect Raven and Starfire to be fair game.

                                              Maybe not as his younger, B-team age self, but he could still be part of the JL rather than YJ group since the JL is still a big part of the show (although I'm wondering if they'll be downplayed this season). Though I'd rather see the original Titans lineup all as part of the younger group, even if only as a flashback to when they first came onto the scene.

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                                                I didn't know that about Static, interesting (wasn't really a comic reader, most of my experience with the lore is from the shows and movies). But probably if not for the show he'd have been left to obscurity. I am glad to see him here, though. Hope he gets more attention this season. Is it possible his JL mentor would be Black Lightning, I wonder?
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                                                The history of Milestone comics is pretty interesting.
                                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milestone_Media

                                                Short version, Dwayne McDuffie and a few other prominent minority creators created their own imprint, that was then published through DC comics. Basically every character was a minority and the stories were a little bit more street level. DC had issues with some of the stuff they did, that was too risque for 1993, like there was when an issue of Static showed the hero kissing his girlfriend on a bed, with unopened condoms visible. Ooh, sacrilege.

                                                They had a lot of solid talent, and were one of the first studios to do digital coloring. Sales were decent enough, but they basically got branded as "comics for blacks", and suffered for that, then the industry crashed in 94 due to the speculator boom that started with the death of superman. They closed after about four years, and then got merged into the DC comics proper (much like Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, Question and Shazaam before them) in 2008.

                                                But like I said, Static is the only real standout, you've probably never heard of characters like Hardware or Blood Syndicate. Tho the characters Icon and Rocket which were used in Young Justice were also from that universe originally.

                                                The fact that this cast was originally from a different company and creator owned has led to some issues over the years with payments and credits, I think they had a lot of problems having Static on YJ. It was speculated that miiiight be why Rocket was only at the end of season 1 and then sort of disappeared for season 2… but she showed up enough in background stuff and they added Static I don't think there was actually anything holding them back.

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                                                  That's sad. At least all the naysayers about the Black Panther movie were resoundingly wrong, so it is possible for minority-led superhero projects to be successful, today if not back then.

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                                                    So the first here episodes of the season are out today. Don’t have the streaming service so haven’t seen them.

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                                                    Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                                                      Business as usual; things just got quite a bit darker.

                                                      ! one big issue I have and that I’m hoping they go into is why Nightwing went solo and the Outsiders was formed in the first place other than to homage the comics. These missions he’s going on seem exactly like the type the Team was made for.
                                                      ! Have to imagine it has to do with whatever happened to Oracle/Batgirl. There was so little focus on them or the Young Justice Team itself it’s hard to determine anything, other than what Nightwing does is common enough that folks know the recruitment deal, and that he tries to make missions “one and done” instead of a prolonged event (at least presumably until this season started and the Outsiders will be sticking around for awhile).
                                                      ! At least the League and its members leaving was explained within the episodes.
                                                      ! Gregor made the MVP list for quickly accessing the situation properly and not falling for his evil uncle’s BS.
                                                      ! Rest was pretty standard. Focus was on the Outsiders team primarily, particularly Geo-Force origin and Black Lightning with Superboy having the most character screentime following. Halo’s powers are introduced but don’t know her as a character too much yet. M’Gann has a few moments. Rest are just in the background.
                                                      ! Beast Boy’s VA is actually the one from Teen Titans, not the one they used in prior episodes of YJ. He seems to have his own story going on possibly (or he really just left the team to be a tv star) but presume something is going on there.

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                                                      Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                                                        Like Nightwing and Savage said in the last season 2 episode, business as usual.

                                                        ! This is the Young Justice I love. I think the transition to season 3 is better than from season 1 to 2. Partly, because you know it's coming.
                                                        ! The JL's damaged rep throughout the galaxy, UN Luthor, and metahumans having lasting repercussion is great. I'd like to know what happened the YJ members who weren't shown. Where's Bumblebee and that Neptune's Beard guy? Miss Martian becoming team leader makes sense, as is Aqualad joining the JL. Overall, great job on the time skip.
                                                        ! The story itself is good so far. We're caught up with the original crew and we see a bit how Darkseid is working with The Light. So happy Superboy popped the question to Miss M. Double happy she didn't come down on SB for joining Nightwing. I love their relationship. Hope they don't get Buffy'd. I did have a minor freakout seeing Roy and Artemis living together until I remembered they're family now.
                                                        ! Lots of Black Lightning. Love what they did with him and hope we get more scenes with lesser known JL members. Would've liked to see him and Static interact more. I don't think Static spoke at all.
                                                        ! Not sure how the show will handle two, no, three black ops teams, but things are setup again this season for the League taking a back seat to them. I don't see Team Nightwing joining the Outsiders unless Batman wants the Outsiders halfway in the public spotlight and keep Team Nightwing total black ops.
                                                        ! My only complaint is the show being on DC's streaming service.

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                                                          It is so weird to keep aqualad's voice actor but on a different character.

                                                          Saw it, no comments that shouldn't be in spoilers, liked it well enough, but I think that this isn't a bingeable show, the mood wipslash between chapters is strong.

                                                          Also, I'm remembering the end of the first season, when these heavy secrets were about to torn the kids and then they had the emotional strength and maturity to clear the air and then help eachother, and then figth some random mincontroled people or whatever.

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                                                            So, I binged on season 1, and glad I did:

                                                            Season 3 spoilers:

                                                            ! 7 and 9 were like cleanup from season 1, the missing pieces of the puzzle being revealed, we didn't need to know how the starro that they used to mindcontrol the league got to the ocean, but it's nice to know. Likewise we didn't need ocean master's head on a ditch, but it was nice.
                                                            ! What was not nice was holding the "nuclear button" for like half an hour, and making Orm look like Lobo (if you squint and don't pause the video).
                                                            ! And speaking of tense, the Lobo battle was intense, like setting up that yeah, people can and will die, and we like drawing blood now, get used to it.
                                                            ! I'll have to get used to poor Halo being Wolverine'd so the animators can have their violence quota.
                                                            ! Are we getting Cyborg? Someone said something of up and comming Football Star Victor Stone. Are we getting the titans?
                                                            ! So the AR/VR googles are evil <insert surprised="" pikachu="" meme="" here="">.
                                                            ! And the new light are: Ultra Humanity (for The Brain), Slade (for Ra'h al Gul) and Granny Goodness <plottwist!>(for Black Manta I'd guess), I'd wish they managed to rotate Klarion, too much of a heavy hitter and a chaos agent, having to find excuses to keep him out of combat or kill everyone, but this season has got to curb Vandal, who I can't read.
                                                            ! The scene where Vandal kills Olimpia, was Cassandra disgusted or accepting? She recited the mantra of conserving life because death is a waste, but Idunno.
                                                            ! Then there is the whole conspiratory "let's set up everything" episode 8, with the teams are working in paralel to take down yet another super soldier traficking ring. Is this the 4th ring or just the 4th operation? This season, can't remember from season 2.
                                                            ! Loving the creepy design of Shade, I only saw him in Justice League but the style works. Did chesshire release him out of the goodnes of her heart? Or honor among thieves?</plottwist!></insert>

                                                            I guess I'll binge season 2 next week.

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                                                              ! Lobo action! I’m exited now. Need to rebinge the first two seasons, got a feeling of lost in translation watching some of the episodes .

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                                                                I watched the last 6 or so episodes of season 2 before season 3 started. Helped refresh my brain big time.

                                                                More solid season 3 eps.

                                                                ! I guess Chesire freed Shade. Looked like she gave him the control device, but we don't know what she got in return if anything. Shade's powers are much cooler here than on Justice League. Liked Mad Hatter, hope to see him again and I want more Team Bat Family. I still don't trust that Dr. lady. She's working for somebody. Oh! That's how The Light learned about the Outsiders. She's their spy. Poor, Black Lightning.
                                                                ! The Lobo fight was great. Lobo can rumble with Superman. Glad to see the show giving him respect as a top tier fighter. Savage is playing a dangerous game working with Darkseid. Makes me wonder if The Light will survive the season. Where's Static? And, I like Halo, Geoforce, and Forager but I want to see more young heroes like the Bat Family. Also, can we please not have Dad Arrow hook up with Tigeress. Dating your exes' sister is a big no-no. Man, do I love the dynamic between Superboy, Nightwing, and Tigeress. Too bad Miss Martian is playing background character this season. Put Mist on the team in Season 4, please.
                                                                ! Cool twist with the good guys working together. Ya got me, Batman, you sly devil.

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                                                                  There's an Easter egg if you take all the episode title first word letter, it forms a sentence:

                                                                  "Princes All," "Royal We," "Eminent Threat," "Private Security," "Away Mission," "Rescue Op," "Evolution," "Triptych," "Home Fires," "Exceptional Human Beings," "Another Freak," "Nightmare Monkeys," "True Heroes," "Influence," "Leverage," "Illusion of Control," "First Impression," "Early Warning," "Elder Wisdom," "Quiet Conversations," "Unknown Factors," "Antisocial Pathologies," "Terminus," "Into the Breach," "Overwhelmed" and "Nevermore."

                                                                  ! PREPARE THE ANTI-LIFE EQUATION
                                                                  ! https://www.cbr.com/young-justice-outsiders-episode-titles-anti-life-equation/

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                                                                    There's an Easter egg if you take all the episode title first word letter, it forms a sentence:

                                                                    "Princes All," "Royal We," "Eminent Threat," "Private Security," "Away Mission," "Rescue Op," "Evolution," "Triptych," "Home Fires," "Exceptional Human Beings," "Another Freak," "Nightmare Monkeys," "True Heroes," "Influence," "Leverage," "Illusion of Control," "First Impression," "Early Warning," "Elder Wisdom," "Quiet Conversations," "Unknown Factors," "Antisocial Pathologies," "Terminus," "Into the Breach," "Overwhelmed" and "Nevermore."

                                                                    ! PREPARE THE ANTI-LIFE EQUATION
                                                                    ! https://www.cbr.com/young-justice-outsiders-episode-titles-anti-life-equation/

                                                                    …..wow. And I mean that in the HOLY SHIT kind of way.

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                                                                      ! Greg Wisemen leading to Final Crisis?

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                                                                        ! Or, at least ending the season on a downer. I'm fine with an Empire Strikes Back/Infinity War season finale.
                                                                        ! Also, good on The Light for stopping Ocean Master. You do not kill superheroes and their kids and expect anything short of the biggest ass kicking/death the universe has ever seen.

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                                                                          ! Well you don't when it's your nuclear option.

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                                                                          I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                                                            Design for a character being hinted at in episode 8:

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                                                                              Started with season 2, and from the get go:
                                                                              How long they keept black beetle hidden? So strange, just disguise him as a human instead of the shadow bullshit.
                                                                              Megan and Lagan being way too sappy.
                                                                              Batman is ok with mindrape? Well, he's ok with the breaking of every bone of a person so..
                                                                              Jaime's lingo is so weird, is it a Mexican-american thing? Ese is "that one" more comonly used for objects or despective, as its not him/her. And hearing random "hermano" when in latam is the other way around, brother, ehem "broder" or "bra"
                                                                              Also Roy, went from his 18 to his 23 as a crack hobo (CN probably forbade any alcohol or other substances specifically here) to his 25 y/o dream dad-bod. Such drastic changes.

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                                                                                  Gonna wait until the episode to see that person's debut but…

                                                                                  ! Makes sense since I think Cyborg's origin is tied to New God technology these days. Not related but I want to see more Superboy/Superfamily interaction. Does Supergirl exist? Has he ever met Ma and Pa Kent? Or, Lois and Jon Kent?
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                                                                                  Started with season 2, and from the get go:
                                                                                  How long they keept black beetle hidden? So strange, just disguise him as a human instead of the shadow bullshit.
                                                                                  Megan and Lagan being way too sappy.
                                                                                  Batman is ok with mindrape? Well, he's ok with the breaking of every bone of a person so..
                                                                                  Jaime's lingo is so weird, is it a Mexican-american thing? Ese is "that one" more comonly used for objects or despective, as its not him/her. And hearing random "hermano" when in latam is the other way around, brother, ehem "broder" or "bra"
                                                                                  Also Roy, went from his 18 to his 23 as a crack hobo (CN probably forbade any alcohol or other substances specifically here) to his 25 y/o dream dad-bod. Such drastic changes.

                                                                                  I think that's a TV thing. "Let's throw in random Spanish words because why not." The Japanese meta girl kept saying sorry in that Super Friends homage episode just because.

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                                                                                    My friend had said they weren't planning on ever releasing this season on DVD which really bummed me out since I don't want to have to pay for WB's streaming just for this one show. Is there a way to get a free trial or something? If so I'll wait for the second half of season 3 before I try it.

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                                                                                      ! Gah! had to pause one of the episodes to say I did not need to see that.

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                                                                                        ! Gah! had to pause one of the episodes to say I did not need to see that.

                                                                                        ! I assume with how bad Cyborg got it?

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                                                                                          ! I assume with how bad Cyborg got it?

                                                                                          Yup .

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                                                                                          ! The 12th was delicously dark. The 13th with the obvious mole and the not so obvious one (The scientist being suspicious with the hairbrush), was tense. That neither blew up until the end had me at the edge of my seat.

                                                                                          Now to june.

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                                                                                          The writting on late season 2 is attrocious. It started good enough just to become "As you know..." recaps.

                                                                                          Completely forgot the whole warworld arc.

                                                                                          Impulse and Blue's frienship is kinda.. sudden. Impulse being so driven for him to survive over the posibility of triggering the bad future seems like it would require more development.

                                                                                          I think it was my reaction back then, but now is like "let's tell everyone that artemis is alive!!!" party, telling it to Sportsmaster was a terrible mistake that they are so lucky it didn't blow up in their faces.

                                                                                          And Nightwing not following the mantra of "you praise in public discipline in private" with arsenal.

                                                                                          They were heavily leaning on "Kid flash isn't as fast as Flash or Impulse" thing, on Impulse's reveal episode.

                                                                                          Another weird character design change,

                                                                                          ! the terror twins must be on meth, they aged terribly in 2 years.

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                                                                                            June? Well, that's not too bad I guess. Another good block.

                                                                                            ! Every plot thread is advancing, good. I wanted more heroes and I got it. Team Batman was great (special shoutout to Metamorpho). The fights in all the episodes were great. Wow, I JUST realized Motherboxx is New Genesis and Fatherboxx is Apokolips. No wonder Evil Cyborg hated Halo. Halo's origin makes sense, thank you show. Although, I'm ready to move on from Geoforce, Halo, and Forager. But, Im glad Geoforce and Halo got together. Harper Row… I know that name. one google search later Ah! Bluebird. See you in season 4.
                                                                                            ! That Beast Boy episode was the best out the chunk for me. I didn't think we'd see much of the character this season. So, he did join Doom Patrol and some point! That Teen Titans Go parody was messed up. Darker than the Cyborg episode. I hope Superboy and Miss Martian make it to the altar. I'm getting scared. I love their relationship. And screw you Cheshire for abandoning your kid. Yeah, you're an evil murdering thief but… um, well, at least vid chat with her.
                                                                                            ! Terra's a traitor. Why the hell didn't I see that coming? Good job show. And, the Doctor's being super suspicious again. I love how midseason ends with the good guys winning. I'm almost positive we're getting that Empire Strikes Back season finale now.
                                                                                            ! Did I mention how much I love Superboy? Can't get enough of his character growth.

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                                                                                              Changed my signature from a quote from episode 11. It hit me hard. Can’t wait for the new season.

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                                                                                              Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                                                                                                Here's something that actually shocked me today. Moreso because I'm an idiot who doesn't pay attention.

                                                                                                For any Walking Dead fans here…....King Ezekiel Is Aqualad/Black Lightning

                                                                                                My mind was woke today and is seriously OVERwhelmed. That is all.

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                                                                                                  Here's something that actually shocked me today. Moreso because I'm an idiot who doesn't pay attention.

                                                                                                  For any Walking Dead fans here…....King Ezekiel Is Aqualad/Black Lightning

                                                                                                  My mind was woke today and is seriously OVERwhelmed. That is all.

                                                                                                  You are out of you mind, The Walking Dead doesn't have any fans around here:ninja:

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                                                                                                  I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                                                                                    Bump because it comes back today.

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                                                                                                      Episode 14 was pretty good.

                                                                                                      ! Like how Superman is saying whelmed now.
                                                                                                      ! Guy Gardern is hilarious.
                                                                                                      ! I’m shock Granny didn’t try to beat and or kill Beast Boy for calling her out.
                                                                                                      ! I need more scenes at the Harper residence.

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                                                                                                        Wait it came back today?!

                                                                                                        ! And they are allowed to use Gardner to boost?! Amazing.

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