Villain Songs or Hero Songs?

NamiGivesMeNoseBleeds

I was originally going to post this in the disney thread, but there are movies with villain songs other than Disney.

Which of these song types do you enjoy better? Usually in musicals, villains only get one song, but that song usually ends up being huge enough to steal the show.

My vote goes to villains. They are so sick in their songs and provide a greater affect on me than a standard hero song. Their slow tempo and demonic instrumentals provides a change of pace in the mood of the story as a whole. Then comes the art that is usually present during these songs. Though, normally dark purple, the purple just makes the color of the moving objects stand out even more.

HEATXZ

I voted for Villains because they have the best songs

Rebecky_Mo

Call me a sap, but I love the Hero songs. Strong, uplifting, full of hope and dreams…

Yep, total sap right here.

Zkaiser

I call for demonstrations/examples of said songs.

Green_vs_Red

Only examples from the villains side of can think of.

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NamiGivesMeNoseBleeds

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How can you make a heart look so horrible and demented?

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Nobodyman

With such classics as these…

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…how can you doubt that villain songs are the best?

The Dude

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case in point

Captain Shmeckie

Dude and Nobodyman have solidified the case. They cannot be disproven, don't even try.

There's an old saying: in a musical, the villain always gets the best lines, and the best song.

srazysnake

lol only 'ONE' person voted for heros, how sad. []

Rebecky_Mo

@srazysnake:

lol only 'ONE' person voted for heros, how sad. [][/QUOTE]

shrug I stand by my choice. If I stand alone, so be it.

Airflow101

Villain's songs are almost universally better than heroes songs, there really is no contest.

I'd say this is stupid but it's consilidated 7 amazing songs into one thread and for that I salute you.

The Dude

Gaston has TWO fucking villain songs

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And Jafar had a full length villain song that they deleted
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Super-chops

My favorite:
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This counts as a villain song, right? << >>

taboo

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joel grey as the wizard of oz

Cream-of-Chicken

@The:

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case in point

No one ever made me hate the opposite sex more than Gaston ever did. The song does its job.

'Friends On The Other Side' is badass.

@taboo: The Prince Of Egypt convinced me (not just because I love that movie to death). One vote for villain songs.

taboo

oh yeah and THIS

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tim currey > every villian >>> every hero

Flux

Villain's do get most of the best songs, like 90%
Not so sure about disney here, don't watch much of it anymore ..

@Super-chops:

My favorite:
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This counts as a villain song, right? << >>

That made my episode ! It was hilarious !

Anyway, mainly the villains get the good songs, but occaisionally
like Rebecky Mo said, some Heroes do get brilliant songs.

Wagomu

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That alone gives the victory to villains.

Mokenda_mint

Lets face it, villain songs are better.
It's the evil vibe. You can't beat it bb

The Dude

How could I forget
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Captain Shmeckie

HOLY SHIT THE DUKE OF ZILL SONG! Oh my god I haven't even thought of that in YEARS! Forgot how awesome that song was. Also forgot how bad the acting in that movie was… >.>

@taboo:

tim currey > every villian >>> every hero

It's true. So much so you can make you love to pollute during an enviromental movie.

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Mokenda_mint

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taboo

@Mokenda_mint:

Lets face it, villain songs are better.
It's the evil vibe. You can't beat it bb

well, to be fair, a HERO song can be pretty much anything that isn't the villain song

villains don't really have as much screen time as the heros, so their songs have to be twice as passionate and colorful

plus, heros have to be relateable to the viewer, which leaves villains to be more eccentric

Mokenda_mint

Haha I don't know, sometimes I think I relate better to the eccentricies of the villains XD

Rebecky_Mo

eyes the villianous videos Oi vey…Guess I have to defend my choice here, don't I?

First off, not going after any villian song Tim Curry has EVER done, because I just can't match him. Same with Vincent Price as Ratigan. Jesus Murphy.

Here goes nothing; a small sampling on behalf of the Defense--er, Protagonists!

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Mokenda_mint

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Wagomu

I think that it's harder to find a good protagonist song because they don't have them as often. In musicals, there tend to be no songs specifically relating the plot of the protagonist because their story is spread across the songs in the play, while the villain generally doesn't have as much time to express themselves and so they get a dedicated theme. There are always exceptions, though:

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Nobodyman

Villains are so awesome they take heroes' songs and make them their own.

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Rebecky_Mo

@Nobodyman:

Villains are so awesome they take heroes' songs and make them their own.

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Ah, but if the original song wasn't brilliant to begin with, they'd never have bothered to satirize it into their own version, now would they?

Tired, may post more tomorrow if nothing better to do with my Saturday.

Nobodyman

@Rebecky_Mo:

Ah, but if the original song wasn't brilliant to begin with, they'd never have bothered to satirize it into their own version, now would they?

:wassat:…............stop trying to confuse me!

Sakonosolo

Does Hades sing any songs in Hercules? I can't remember. It wouldn't make much sense if he didn't.

NamiGivesMeNoseBleeds

27 to 1 that was bigger than I expected.

EDIT: Hades gets his own theme, but he doesn't sing until the series.

Nobodyman

@Kairouseki:

Does Hades sing any songs in Hercules? I can't remember. It wouldn't make much sense if he didn't.

The closest thing Hades gets to a song in the movie is the reprise of "The Gospel Truth" around the beginning of the movie.

NamiGivesMeNoseBleeds

Found it.
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lol, it's William Shatner's successor :D.

taboo

Here goes nothing; a small sampling on behalf of the Defense–er, Protagonists!

ha ha you could have just posted this
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it effectively makes every villain look like crap

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The Dude

taboo you should have used the 1968 one

@Wagomu:

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This is the best example of a hero song in this thread. Most of the other songs posted are just "not-villain songs." Also, I might cite "Cruella De Vil" as a villain song, as it describes said villain.

Nobodyman

All right, in the interest of fairness I thought I'd do a comparison of hero and villain songs (or at least try to). There's been some debate over what exactly qualifies as a hero song. We obviously know what a villain song is, but what about a hero song? Is it all songs that aren't a villain song? I personally don't think so. A villain song exemplifies the villain, his/her theme, and his/her motivation, so by contrast a hero song should do the same for the hero, right? Let's take the Lion King for example.

Circle of Life - Overall theme of the movie. Wouldn't really qualify it as a hero song.
Just Can't Wait to be King - Now this is what I would call the hero song. It's all about Simba and it explains and exemplifies his dreams and motivations.
Be Prepared - Villain song
Hakuna Matata - Fun, side character/comic relief song
Can You Feel the Love Tonight - The love song

So yeah, I'd say, if you look at it that way, there can be one (maybe two) songs per movie that would count as a hero song. Of course this is just my interpretation and I'm completely open to debate. As a side note, I've noticed that most, if not all, hero songs usually occur around the beginning of the movie, usually even before the villain song. But I suppose that makes sense since it gives us the chance to get better acquainted with and understand the character.

So anyway, here's some comparisons among a few choice movies. Which are the better, the hero or villain songs? You be the judge. Although we all know the villain songs are fuckin' tops.

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taboo

for hunchback, hell's fire is actually half of a two part song, the first part being 'heaven's light' by quazi

the most hero-tastic song i can think of from disney has to be

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Nobodyman

@taboo:

for hunchback, hell's fire is actually half of a two part song, the first part being 'heaven's light' by quazi

Technically, yes. But the two "halves" are so vastly different in tune, theme, and atmosphere (not to mention having two different singers) that one could easily see them as two different songs, Heaven's Light simply leading into Hellfire.

ChesCa

@Nobodyman:

Villains are so awesome they take heroes' songs and make them their own.

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Don't forget that, while unfinished, his other song not only has a hero/villain duet, but the villain's lines look to be a lot more…interesting.

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…I really hope they finish it someday. :sad:

Green_vs_Red

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Keane

Gotta defend the heroes…

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LosKnoggos

Does this count as heroe?
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other than tha, Ill go with villains

Rebecky_Mo

@The:

Also, I might cite "Cruella De Vil" as a villain song, as it describes said villain.

Nah, I call it a hero song, as one of the protagonists is singing it, and he's doing so to actually make fun of/insult the villain. That fact that he does so while she's in the house, and doesn't even know it gives it high points for me.

And I saw that, Nobodyman!

Airflow101

A villain's song is a song that explains and develops the villain's personality, motive, quirks ect. It can show them acting flamboyantly, it can show them being a badass, it is the song that ultimately defines that villain and shows him to the audience for what he really is with no smokescreen. A villain's song can also make the villain more likable to the audience as, unlike the generally 1 dimensional, "I AM GOOD" main character, he has character and flair and even if they are being a general bastard to everyone they're being a general bastard to everyone with style.

So to contrast this a hero's song must be something that defines that hero and shows us what he means to do over the course of the movie. As this thread has shown their are very few of these and for good reason. In 95% of movies with singing are aimed for children and thus the protagonist is geared towards children. They cannot have any vices, they must be stereotypically good in every way in order to provide the perfect rolemodel for their darling angels. They may have one very specific flaw so that the villain can take advantage of it but they'll always overcome this flaw by the end of the movie and thus become the perfect Mary Sue they should be. This makes hero's songs a lot harder to write as there's really less to write about. You can say something about how determined the hero is to fufill his goal and that he'll do anything to make it (I can go the distance), you can exploit and make fun of the very few flaws the hero will have (What's this) but aside from this you have very little material to go on. Heroes are meant to win the day and be martyrs and perfect examples of human beings, they aren't really meant to be that interesting.

Long story short, villain songs will always be more interesting that hero songs because villains are nearly always more interesting than heroes.

TLC

@Airflow:

A villain's song is a song that explains and develops the villain's personality, motive, quirks ect. It can show them acting flamboyantly, it can show them being a badass, it is the song that ultimately defines that villain and shows him to the audience for what he really is with no smokescreen. A villain's song can also make the villain more likable to the audience as, unlike the generally 1 dimensional, "I AM GOOD" main character, he has character and flair and even if they are being a general bastard to everyone they're being a general bastard to everyone with style.
So to contrast this a hero's song must be something that defines that hero and shows us what he means to do over the course of the movie. As this thread has shown their are very few of these and for good reason. In 95% of movies with singing are aimed for children and thus the protagonist is geared towards children. They cannot have any vices, they must be stereotypically good in every way in order to provide the perfect rolemodel for their darling angels. They may have one very specific flaw so that the villain can take advantage of it but they'll always overcome this flaw by the end of the movie and thus become the perfect Mary Sue they should be. This makes hero's songs a lot harder to write as there's really less to write about. You can say something about how determined the hero is to fufill his goal and that he'll do anything to make it (I can go the distance), you can exploit and make fun of the very few flaws the hero will have (What's this) but aside from this you have very little material to go on. Heroes are meant to win the day and be martyrs and perfect examples of human beings, they aren't really meant to be that interesting.

Long story short, villain songs will always be more interesting that hero songs because villains are nearly always more interesting than heroes.

Hey, hey wtf!!! Dude stop generalizing. I know what your point is but there are plenty of shows that have flawed and interesting protagonists.

Unless you mean just Disney. In that case, you're right.

Airflow101

@Airflow:

In 95% of movies with singing are aimed for children and thus the protagonist is geared towards children.

Movies with singing=mostly children's movies

childrens movies=1 dimensional hero

There are exceptions but there you go.

TLC

@Airflow:

Movies with singing=mostly children's movies

childrens movies=1 dimensional hero

There are exceptions but there you go.

Ah OK, fair enough then.

Insider2000

Good main heroes/protagonists generally have pretty decent depth, but some of the best villian songs come from amazing villians with immense depth.

The lyrics of their songs take us into their (sometimes) sick and cruel mind.

'Hellfire' shows how sinful and hypocritical Frollo truly is. 'Friends on the Other Side' shows how snake-like and two-faced Dr. Facilier is. 'Poor Unfortunate Souls' shows Ursula's devious mind.

The best is, without a doubt, Gaston's song. It DOES take a dive into his mind, but the song doesn't feel like that of a villian, it feels like that of hero. Gaston is a perfect example of a villian with insane depth.

A part of me wishes Maleficiant had a song or much more depth, but then again, granting a new born baby her 16 year death sentence is pretty wicked enough I suppose.