In some other forums, I found people who like OP manga but hates the anime, saying how terrible it is done. The anime may have some boring fillers and tends to stray off from the roots, but because it's animated, you can tell more clearly what's going on. Fighting scenes usually doesn't pull off well in manga, as it's hard to see what's going on in one small block. The anime interprets the fightings in a clealer way so people can know what is happening. But then, those who hate the anime must've only seen the 4Crap dub.
So what do you think about the anime? I enjoy it more than the manga, except for certain fillers.
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I only have the 4 kids available to me, so…
It is easier to tell whats going on, and without the anime,we wouldn't have cool animated gifs would we now?
Downloading what I've seen off Kaizoku fansubs,and I'll watch that...but it's goig slow....
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I also only have the 4kids version available. There's things i like about it, and dislike. First, the theme song is a rap, and i don't think that suits OP well because Pirates don't rap. Also, they take out a lot of blood, which is always fun to watch every now and then. But however, like you guys said, the anime gives a clearer view of everything.
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Originally posted by game2005@Jul 7 2005, 10:37 AM
But then, those who hate the anime must've only seen the 4Crap dub.I've met people that hate the series altogether just based off of the dub.
I also am limited to the 4Kids version. Beggars can't be choosers, so I stuck with it
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I actually find the rap kinda catchy….But then, I'm weird. :blink:
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Originally posted by Demoneyes@Jul 7 2005, 10:58 AM
I actually find the rap kinda catchy….But then, I'm weird. :blink:
[snapback]84794[/snapback]Well, i guess the rap isn't the worst thing, but one thing i don't get is, why did they change Zoro's name to Zolo! They're practically the same. And Sanji voice is like…just weird.
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Personally, I prefer the anime to the manga mainly because it is just so much better at evoking emotions.
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Originally posted by DevilFruitPirate+Jul 7 2005, 04:04 PM–>QUOTE(DevilFruitPirate @ Jul 7 2005, 04:04 PM)
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Originally posted by Demoneyes+Jul 7 2005, 11:10 AM–>QUOTE(Demoneyes @ Jul 7 2005, 11:10 AM) _> Originally posted by DevilFruitPirate@Jul 7 2005, 04:04 PM
**I actually find the rap kinda catchy….But then, I'm weird. :blink:
[snapback]84794[/snapback]Well, i guess the rap isn't the worst thing, but one thing i don't get is, why did they change Zoro's name to Zolo! They're practically the same. And Sanji voice is like…just weird.
[snapback]84803[/snapback]**They changed it because when it translates, it becomes Zolo. I personally prefer Zolo, but again, I'm weird. :blink:
Though, it could have been Lolonoa zolo….
[snapback]84807[/snapback]Oh, that's why they changed it. I see._
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Originally posted by Demoneyes@Jul 7 2005, 11:10 AM
They changed it because when it translates, it becomes Zolo.
[snapback]84807[/snapback]Um… No it doesn't.
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That could have been the shortest post I'd ever done. Well, most people who don't like the anime, because of the dub, but the actual anime is pure gold. ~<3 I personally prefer the manga, I just always seem to like manga over anime, but the anime is faithful and a different experience that pretty much rawks to no end.
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Doesn't it? Damn, i'm gonna kill him…shoulda checked first. Now I sound like an idiot. <_<
Meh. Anyway, there is a difference between manga and anime. (Duh.) Anime's better to see what happens, but manga gives the reader the chance to actually see what people are saying, and admire the pretty pictures.
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I love both the manga and anime!
But… to be honest with you guys, I prefer watching the anime... -
The animation really can't begin to compare to the manga. Story changes and edits (I'm talking about in the Japanese version) dog the series but really I find the manga far superior in expressing the story and characters. You can read it how you want to and hear it in your head. You don't have to have it played out how someone else interprets it.
It's a far more intimate and stimulating experience.
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Yeah, i agree with omae no kaasan v.2, i prefer the manga over the anime.
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I kinda prefer the anime over the manga. Somehow the characters seem more fleshed out in the anime. But nevertheless, manga rocks!
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i cant quite put my finger on it but its something with the anime that i find so incredibly boring <_<
the manga is way superior
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I like both, but I can hardly see the manga from the site I'm reading it from! So I can't really see what's going on…
Still, I can see most of the fighting. But I prefer the anime because I like seeing things move.
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It doesn't matter one piece is one piece, manga or anime. I love the manga because Oda made it. But the anime has "moving pictures" and besides, I love it when I hear Luffy say " Gomu Gomu No….______!" Also the character design slightly differs.(I like the manga designs better.)
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I agree with Omae - I think the manga is artistically superior, and it is the original artist/author's own craftmanship. I do love the anime, though. There's definately something to be said for seeing full-color, moving pictures with voice acting and a nice soundtrack. Yes, you can do all that in your head too, but I don't think it makes one a less imaginitive person to enjoy seeing an adaption too. (i.e. I was a big fan of Lord of the Rings as a book, waited anxiously for the movies and loved them too, but the book is better)So I always look forward to seeing the animated episodes come out. ^_^ Even with its fillers and other flubs.
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Well… I've only read the Davy Back and Water 7 Arc in the manga, and I've only seen up to where K-F subbed in the anime (plus a little of the Water 7 arc.) based off of that, I like how everything is consise enough to evoke emotion, but not to short as to make it unsatisfying. On the other hand, the anime tends to drag things out, if the Water 7 scene is any indication. Hell, 150 with the cocktease ending just seemed like they were dragging out the inevitable. So yeah, I prefer the manga because of the concise simplicity, but when the anime mimmicks that style it's good too.
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I prefer the manga, but I love the anime. It does an excellent job of bringing the manga to life. Its one thing to see a scene in the manga where you see the words and drawings and another altogether to hear those words (so with you on the 'Gomu Gomu no ___" xXSanjiXx) and to see the characters move and breathe in the anime. I feel that the anime adds an extra dimension to the manga (and actually makes me like the manga that much more).
Both are wonderful, but in the long run I just love Oda's art. Its so fantastic and the anime can only capture so much of the charm it has.
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Originally posted by game2005@Jul 7 2005, 09:37 AM
The anime interprets the fightings in a clealer way so people can know what is happening
[snapback]84753[/snapback]So have you only read the manga online?
Because on paper the fights are clear as day.
My opinion on the matter….I'll repeat myself.
The Anime is Op dressed up as a whore, with moving pictures and purty colors.
But the manga in the end is the better package without the cheap eye candy.
And the characters aren't more fleshed out in the anime, why?
Because oda didn't write any extra material for it. So thats artificial character "development". -
i prefer the manga to the anime as manny people have stated it is just better but i do enjoy watching the things i have read come to life so its all good to me :lol:
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I prefer the manga. As people said, it has the original, untampered storyline and Oda's art. However, I like the anime for its voice actors and background music (NOT talking about the dub version, obviously). OP cast is one of the best voice casting that I've ever seen in anime, even if I don't understand Japanese. The anime also has occasional episodes where the art quality is really nice.
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So in all, do most of you prefer that the anime should never exist in the first place?
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Anime is okay but I perfer Manga because its orginal and pure. The Anime sometimes insulted Oda's orginal material; for example, check the Lougetown arc, they added more details and they had Gold D. Roger walking to the bar in a flashback, they detailed his excution and had a 12 years old Smoker watching the excution. Smoker would look frigthen. I'm sorry but did Oda that way? Is that what Oda wrote? No! I felt Toei had insulted Oda storytelling skill by adding in extra detail. Why did Smoker meet Luffy early? Why did he not arrest him when he bumped into him? Why did they put Buggy in a bar? Why did they fillerize Alabasta and Davy Back Figth arc? I perfer what is written by Oda, not a compeny who likes to add things in making it look like an insult.
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Oda works pretty closely with the anime, though, so I doubt he feels insulted by it. I'm glad the anime exists. I can't agree with people who say it's "whorish". It's an adaption. Even you like it, or you don't. I probably would never have become a OP fan if there was no anime.
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From my point of view, I like both manga and anime. Manga is faster but I just like anime, dunno why.
But I must admit that I think the anime version messed something up sometimes. Like the formation when Zoro is doing Sanzen Sekai mixed up when it come to the filler episode. The picture got worser as well, I think because I can see it in the filler arc. And, I haven't watch it so if I get it wrong, I do apologize, I heard that the Goat Island and the Rainbow Mist filler did come out real suck, do I get it right? -
The Manga is good and all but I can care less if it's the "original" format. Everyone knows that in the end it comes down to it being what has a more engrossing feel and I think the anime is better. The emotion I get out of it is leages better than I can get from the Manga (sorry to say) And though there is filler it's still better. All I know is the Arlong arc was WAY MORE EMOTIONAL in the anime. The characters are just more lovable in the anime too.
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This whole discussion reminds me of how the fans of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings attacked Peter Jackson, because he had made certain changes in the adaptation of the book. It is true that Jackson threw away some events from the book, he made out some new (Arwen defeating the Nazgul), he modified others (Saruman's death), and he gave more space to some characters and fleshed them out (Arwen, Elrond…). If you ask me, those fans had overreacted a bit. That's the problem when you transfer one source from a certain medium to another medium. Some scenes wouldn't work out in a movie, the dialogues could sound awkward and some events don't have that certain dramatic appeal for a movie. Jackson was a huge fan of the book, he remained loyal to the whole original concept, and as far as I'm concerned he did one hell of a job. The same thing goes for OP. We can talk about how Uda massacred the manga, but in my opinion he remained loyal to Oda's vision and had done one great adaptation.
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IMO i like both manga and anime, the anime provides voices which adds to the characters personality, and the humour can be addressed easier in the anime rather than the manga. True that you can see fights better in the manga, but at the same time its almost just as good while you watch it.
Its a draw for me
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i've been watching a lot of the anime lately. i like it, and i like it very much, but it just doesn't have the heart and soul the manga has.
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Jul 8 2005, 02:27 PM
I probably would never have become a OP fan if there was no anime.
[snapback]85217[/snapback]Same here. Like hell I was reading those scans from the early days.
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They should've just added detail to the anime, not their own plotlines. Like how Sanji defeated Mr. 3 so easily. They could add detail in, good detail, Naruto style. Not crappy made up storylines and fillers, and pointless stuff.
The subbed show has shitty music too, I hate all the songs except Watashi Ga Iru Yo and Bon Voyage. The animation doesn't suit it at all and makes the show seem more like a US animation. The anime sucks, thats all there is to it. they even take out the cool wanted poster thing later, even though they mostly fix the animation. bah. oh well
'beggars can't be choosers' as someone here said earlier
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Originally posted by Buccaneer+Jul 8 2005, 09:12 PM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Jul 8 2005, 09:12 PM)
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Originally posted by Reiza@Jul 9 2005, 03:13 AM
They should've just added detail to the anime, not their own plotlines. Like how Sanji defeated Mr. 3 so easily. They could add detail in, good detail, Naruto style. Not crappy made up storylines and fillers, and pointless stuff.
[snapback]85408[/snapback]You serious? You can only add in so much detail before it becomes filler anyway.
I never get why people complain about filler. Sure, a lot of it is bad, but you don't want your show boned like Rurouni Kenshin was, do you? Or, from what I hear, Inuyasha. The anime started when the manga was around volume 16, but it still caught up too fast, and had something like 20 straight filler episodes.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer+Jul 8 2005, 01:21 PM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Jul 8 2005, 01:21 PM)
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Hehe, I'm with Green Hair on that…I spent so much time on LOTR messageboards constantly dealing with the whole "purist" v. "revisionist" thing that still never dies. Both extremes have their faults. On one hand, keeping the integrity of the original version is important. I'm sensitive to how even the smallest changes can sometimes warp the overall picture. The person making an adaption can't simply change whatever suits their fancy, even if they feel it makes a scene better somehow, but then, it should be understood that there ARE times when it is necessary and good. The hard-core purist will say ANY change or even addition to the original is bad. The hard-core revisionist will say any change that the writers want to make must have a reason and is therefore good. I sit in the middle between the two there (and we call this "pragmaticism" ;)).
Comparing One Piece to other manga-to-anime adaptions, I think OP is really ver faithful. And I think the animation is fine, too in most cases. It's definately gotten better recently. -
Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Jul 8 2005, 02:30 PM
Hehe, I'm with Green Hair on that…I spent so much time on LOTR messageboards constantly dealing with the whole "purist" v. "revisionist" thing that still never dies. Both extremes have their faults. On one hand, keeping the integrity of the original version is important. I'm sensitive to how even the smallest changes can sometimes warp the overall picture. The person making an adaption can't simply change whatever suits their fancy, even if they feel it makes a scene better somehow, but then, it should be understood that there ARE times when it is necessary and good. The hard-core purist will say ANY change or even addition to the original is bad. The hard-core revisionist will say any change that the writers want to make must have a reason and is therefore good. I sit in the middle between the two there (and we call this "pragmaticism" ;)).
Comparing One Piece to other manga-to-anime adaptions, I think OP is really ver faithful. And I think the animation is fine, too in most cases. It's definately gotten better recently.
[snapback]85449[/snapback]it is alot more faithful than other adaptions. shaman king's anime I hear was a butchery, and yes the animation as gotten better. its just the music and the way they don't put in details to manga based episodes so they end up cathing up faster, then they have to make filler
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I know what you mean. Dragonball did an excellent job of fleshing out the fights, while DBZ would just add in some filler, like Chi Chi going to the dry cleaners at the 14 minute mark.
But then again, the DB anime had/has a HUGE advantage over OP's, in that it started far earlier, and had little base. So even though it fleshed out a lot of things, it still had mounds of filler episodes.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jul 8 2005, 02:49 PM
**I know what you mean. Dragonball did an excellent job of fleshing out the fights, while DBZ would just add in some filler, like Chi Chi going to the dry cleaners at the 14 minute mark.But then again, the DB anime had/has a HUGE advantage over OP's, in that it started far earlier, and had little base. So even though it fleshed out a lot of things, it still had mounds of filler episodes.
[snapback]85462[/snapback]**heh, I agree. I really hate filler episodes, though. >.< I can't stand them at all, I used to watch Naruto just because at first all it done was flesh stuff out, but then it just kept adding in filler.
anime can't be totally true to its manga, its anime after all. if it just fleshed out manga material instead of trying to be faithful, it'd be alot more fun to watch than a straight out adaption, because, you know, the original is in manga form and that doesn't always suit anime. what I don't get is when they try to stay true to the manga, but still don't have any objections to going off and making shitty fillers.
they should stay true to the manga's plot points, and the stuff it includes, but if it has to flesh out fights or make things a little more interesting or add detail, I don't mind that at all. after all, if it stayed too true to it it'd be boring. but instead they stay too true to the manga, therefore catching up, and when they catch up, they do something else I hate >_> filler time! x.x
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Jul 8 2005, 12:27 AM
Oda works pretty closely with the anime, though, so I doubt he feels insulted by it. I'm glad the anime exists. I can't agree with people who say it's "whorish". It's an adaption. Even you like it, or you don't. I probably would never have become a OP fan if there was no anime.
[snapback]85217[/snapback]Oda used to.
He hasn't for awhile.Sometimes I wish it wouldn't exist since it gets ALL the attention.
The online reviews and articles. Are mostly all or predominatly about the Anime.I'm also tired of hearing people say "One Piece would be so much better if everything wouldn't take so long!"
Or even worse. "Man Alabasta….you all hyped it....but they took FOREVER in the desert."
And almost every website (AP included) uses anime graphics.....which just aren't meant to be used that way. They aren't meant to be still images....
I'm also of the opinion that both Dragonball and DBZ had poorly done Animes.... the filler was almost always terrible. and the fights (both DB and DBZ) unbearably dragged out.
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As far as length goes, the anime is actually damn good with main arc pacing. It's just a few episodes in Alabasta that are the problem.
On DB: The fights were much better before the days of powering up, though. They pulled out wacky things, like Ten's "hot dog" Tekkai. And some of the filler, like when Ten and the others trained for the last tournament seem highly interesting. It at least made it less lean.
And you can't fault sites for using anime images as stills, it beats having rough B&W or some color image seen a thousand times.
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I disagree about the images still….
The filler in DB I found worse than DBZ.
They went against the pace of the series. The Red Ribbon army saga had its two chapter intro turned into about 4 episodes.....
And having Kuririn sorta run into Yamcha and Bulma BEFORE arriving at Kame's island....
And baby Piccolo causing mischeif (sucking the menace out of him)
And the poor animation and coloring.....and the frickin monster Buddah statue in the pirate base? WTF?
The 22nd Bodokai took like several days in the anime too....jesus...It just reaches the point....like with One Piece...
Where I say..
"Wait....why the hell am I watching this? To see them talk and move in color? Who cares?goes up to room and bookshelf" -
Originally posted by Zephos@Jul 9 2005, 05:43 AM
**I disagree about the images still….The filler in DB I found worse than DBZ.
They went against the pace of the series. The Red Ribbon army saga had its two chapter intro turned into about 4 episodes.....
And having Kuririn sorta run into Yamcha and Bulma BEFORE arriving at Kame's island....
And baby Piccolo causing mischeif (sucking the menace out of him)
And the poor animation and coloring.....and the frickin monster Buddah statue in the pirate base? WTF?
The 22nd Bodokai took like several days in the anime too....jesus...It just reaches the point....like with One Piece...
Where I say..
"Wait....why the hell am I watching this? To see them talk and move in color? Who cares?goes up to room and bookshelf"
[snapback]85488[/snapback]**I thought it was badass how Silver pounded all those guys in the gym before setting out and such. Don't remember Bulma meeting Kuri before Goku, though. Baby Piccolo was okay, because Piccolo "Junior" was never a real menace in the first place. And by statue in the pirate base, I assume you mean the robot thing. That was in the manga.
And how can you hate the 22nd? The extended prelims with the goofy theme song kicked ass.
Okay okay, that was off-topic, but as far as filler goes, I defend anime in general. Without it, all the cartoons of Japanese comics would be similar to the Popeye cartoons or something.
And come on, seeing the Arlong arc in color and hearing it definitely made it better.
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I think Dragonball was great (unlike DBZ, which sucked in more ways than one). The blend of comedy and action was brilliant, and the characters were really crazy-looking. My favorite character was Yamcha, and I always found it funny how he kept using that Rogafufuken technique, although he didn't beat anyone while using it. The villains were amazing, especially Taopaipai (I thought it was neat when he killed captain Blue with his tongue). But… One thing that really bothered me was the fact that I never felt that the characters are fully fleshed out (this goes for DBZ too). Toriyama just kept introducing new characters, but he left the old ones underdeveloped (and he even ignored them later on). Oda didn't make the same mistake as Toriyama, and he even fleshed out the minor characters. Oda keeps saying that Toriyama is his role model. It is fairly clear that the apprentice has beaten the master.
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Originally posted by Zephos@Jul 8 2005, 03:43 PM
**I disagree about the images still….The filler in DB I found worse than DBZ.
They went against the pace of the series. The Red Ribbon army saga had its two chapter intro turned into about 4 episodes.....
And having Kuririn sorta run into Yamcha and Bulma BEFORE arriving at Kame's island....
And baby Piccolo causing mischeif (sucking the menace out of him)
And the poor animation and coloring.....and the frickin monster Buddah statue in the pirate base? WTF?
The 22nd Bodokai took like several days in the anime too....jesus...It just reaches the point....like with One Piece...
Where I say..
"Wait....why the hell am I watching this? To see them talk and move in color? Who cares?goes up to room and bookshelf"
[snapback]85488[/snapback]**The anime really is'nt that different from the manga, so if you hate the anime, you hate the manga. It's one thing to like one over the other, but if you hate one then you must hate the other since they're not much of a difference.
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Originally posted by RomanMack+Jul 8 2005, 07:03 PM–>QUOTE(RomanMack @ Jul 8 2005, 07:03 PM)
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Oi, this isn't my train to derail. Maybe I should make one of these for DB/Z.
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Check out the YTV dubs. Even though it's still 4KIDS, they changed a few edits and fixed some things up from what I saw..
