It looks awesome, and from the few clips I've seen I feel really compelled to go see it. It's out here on Christmas & Boxing Day. What do you guys think of it ?
Sherlock Holmes Movie
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It looks cool, I'll definitely go see it.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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Well for a start it doesn't even look to be Sherlock Holmes but apart from that it looks like the likes of Van Hellsing/League of Gentlemen and another I can't think of right now.
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It looks funny as hell so I'll be seeing it.
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i want fat watson and i want fat watson now
skinny watson go home
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I'm sure that Watson has something fat in his pants. Law and Downey do make a pretty cute couple.
And I still think the movie looks okey.
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I want to see this. It looks like a good movie from what I've seen. I do wonder if it will actually feel like a Sherlock Holmes story when I see it. The trailer doesn't seem that way.
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At no point do I expect that this movie will in any way, shape, or form, be something fans of Sherlock Holmes will enjoy as an adaptation.
It does, however, look like an entertaining film, just not one which will make you think too much. Definitely have to see this.
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Exactly. They've should've just titled it something else because when I first saw the first trailer I was thinking "Who decided that RDJ would be a good casting choice as Sherlock Holmes?".
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I think it's gonna entertaining though I have doubts that this movie is a "real" Sherlock Homes.
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Exactly. They've should've just titled it something else because when I first saw the first trailer I was thinking "Who decided that RDJ would be a good casting choice as Sherlock Holmes?".Whats so wrong with RDJ? He's an incredible actor. Atleast tell me your objections to him playing Holmes isnt of the same kind as that whole Daniel Craig cant be Bond cause he isnt tall enough noise.
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I think Downey's a great choice for Holmes !
At first i wasn't sure, after the whole iron Man thing, but he really is awesome as
Sherlock from what i've seen. And to be fair, he explained that the fighting was in the books !An expert said Downey's adaption's faithful because Holmes used cutlasses & pistols, among many other things, and that in the
books it said "They Apprenhended the criminals" - This movie just shows the actual apprehension in detail - ie, fighting. -
i want fat watson and i want fat watson now
skinny watson go home
YEAH! Dr Watson needs to fatten up! And Sherlock needs to comb his hair.
I have low, low hopes and a little dreading for this film.
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God this movie pisses me off. From the sounds of things, it could have been an actual decent movie. But Hollywood had to stick in the Sherlock Holmes name for the extra publicity.
Fuck Hollywood>.>
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Oh great. A quick look on imdb reveals that they both have love interests.
My views of Sherlock and Dr Watson as celibate Victorian men are destroyed.
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Eh, there are like hundreds British film and tv adaptations of Sherlock Holmes. He is probably the most filmed character ever. And a lot of these are very clear-cut and conventional adaptations, directors just doing copy past jobs. Watch those if you want your boring normal adaptations. It's great to finally see an adaptation with balls. If the film isn't good then, well, at least it tried to do something different.
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Eh, there are like hundreds British film and tv adaptations of Sherlock Holmes. He is probably the most filmed character ever. And a lot of these are very clear-cut and conventional adaptations, directors just doing copy past jobs. Watch those if you want your boring normal adaptations. It's great to finally see an adaptation with balls. If the film isn't good then, well, at least it tried to do something different.
So Sherlock Holmes is boring now?
And there's a huge difference between adapting a character and inventing a completely new character and sticking someone's name to him.
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That's putting words into my mouth. Not a very cool thing to do, really.
Anyway, to derail the discussion, I just read this: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/sherlock-holmes-will-feature-simulated-motion-in-select-theaters-1831808.html
Kinda neat. It's like movie theaters are becoming amusement park experiences. Once again. But I guess stuff like this, along with 3D and IMAX, is the future of movie theaters if movie theaters wants to be able to compete with piracy, home theaters and big plasma televisions. And I'm all for it.
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For those of you upset at the "portrayal" of Sherlock Holmes, I thought I would note that this isn't based off any of the books, but an original story/screenplay. In the book by Doyle, The Sign of Four, Holmes is noted to have been an amateur boxer, and a very good one. Other books note he carries a weapon with him (revolver, etc.), and note that he is a martial artist and a proficient swordsman. So those aspects are true to his character. A few of my friends in the industry (namely graphics and rendering, so nothing major) said that Holmes' character in the movie was portrayed fairly true to the original, as well as interactions between Holmes and Watson. So far, there is little room for complaint. Hopefully it stays that way, but I typically lower my expectations for these types of movies in order to have a better experience, haha.
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@Wikipedia:
However, as Doyle remarked to muse Joseph Bell, "Holmes is as inhuman as a Babbage's calculating machine and just about as likely to fall in love".
In case anyone's wondering, Doyle is the man who created Sherlock Holmes. So why the love interests? Hollywood.
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I like Sherlock Holmes but the trailers leave me with the impression that the movie isn't going to be that good though trailers aren't the best indicator for value. All the comedy/love interest stuff makes me think that it's to make up for a lack of something from the stories. If they can at least still have Holmes using his superior intellect and piecing clues in a serious/smarmy manner then it may have a chance. Besides that, i like a more serious Holmes and Watson anyway. I may give it a rent when it's out on dvd.
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For those of you upset at the "portrayal" of Sherlock Holmes, I thought I would note that this isn't based off any of the books, but an original story/screenplay. In the book by Doyle, The Sign of Four, Holmes is noted to have been an amateur boxer, and a very good one. Other books note he carries a weapon with him (revolver, etc.), and note that he is a martial artist and a proficient swordsman. So those aspects are true to his character. A few of my friends in the industry (namely graphics and rendering, so nothing major) said that Holmes' character in the movie was portrayed fairly true to the original, as well as interactions between Holmes and Watson. So far, there is little room for complaint. Hopefully it stays that way, but I typically lower my expectations for these types of movies in order to have a better experience, haha.
From just the trailer alone, I can clearly tell that's bull crap and the character is nothing like the real Sherlock Holmes. That bit with the maid and the key/penis joke makes me want to vomit.
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Lol Doyle purists.
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@Thousand:
From just the trailer alone, I can clearly tell that's bull crap and the character is nothing like the real Sherlock Holmes. That bit with the maid and the key/penis joke makes me want to vomit.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Note that I said "fairly" true, and that this is third hand information; I cannot say this it is a credible source of information. With Hollywood, you can always expect some tampering here and there, so we should save those final criticisms for the full release. Anyway, I don't think I can even name a single adaptation that kept their characters completely accurate or unaltered. Does this make them "reinvented"? Not necessarily, no. Should they change every aspect of his character, then sure, but if all they do as add a little modern humor (albeit poor humor) and a Hollywood romance, then I cannot say I have any more reason to complain than than I do all the other remakes out there.
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@Thousand:
From just the trailer alone, I can clearly tell that's bull crap and the character is nothing like the real Sherlock Holmes. That bit with the maid and the key/penis joke makes me want to vomit.
Not necessarily. In the majority of his cases, Holmes does have a sense of humor. And it is certainly true that he's a great fighter and strong man; one scene has him bending an iron poker with bare hands.
Just the trailer isn't showing me the dry deductive wit with an air of superiority that I love in Holmes.
While I originally hoped for a good Hollywood production of one of Holmes' clashes with Moriarty, or even yet another Hound of the Baskervilles, I'm all for an original story as long as it's well written.
Still, it looks like a good movie, just by entertainment standards.
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I think this will be one of those movies I won't like until I watch the movie, and even then, I would struggle to like it.
While Downey Jr has resurrected his career with Iron Man and Tropic Thunder, I'm not really hooked on him yet.
Also, isn't there some backlash towards other movies, where people aren't happy that Hollywood is choosing American actors to play non-American parts (Invictus with Morgan Freeman as Nelson Mandela, or that Robin Hood movie with Kevin Costner comes to mind)? All I can hope is that this movie won't be like Sherlock Holms in the 22nd Century.
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@Syan:
Not necessarily. In the majority of his cases, Holmes does have a sense of humor. And it is certainly true that he's a great fighter and strong man; one scene has him bending an iron poker with bare hands.
Just the trailer isn't showing me the dry deductive wit with an air of superiority that I love in Holmes.
While I originally hoped for a good Hollywood production of one of Holmes' clashes with Moriarty, or even yet another Hound of the Baskervilles, I'm all for an original story as long as it's well written.
Still, it looks like a good movie, just by entertainment standards.
This movie was clearly never meant to be about Holmes. People thought up an 18th century story and decided to throw in the Sherlock Holmes brand for extra cash. There's no problem with him fighting or anything. A little action is cool and all. It's the characterization that's the problem. Holmes is a smart, suave character yet also old and methodical in his actions.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Note that I said "fairly" true, and that this is third hand information; I cannot say this it is a credible source of information. With Hollywood, you can always expect some tampering here and there, so we should save those final criticisms for the full release. Anyway, I don't think I can even name a single adaptation that kept their characters completely accurate or unaltered. Does this make them "reinvented"? Not necessarily, no. Should they change every aspect of his character, then sure, but if all they do as add a little modern humor (albeit poor humor) and a Hollywood romance, then I cannot say I have any more reason to complain than than I do all the other remakes out there.
You want a good Sherlock Holmes? Go watch Jeremy Brett. Greatest adaptation ever. Totally perfect to his character. Near perfect. Robert Downey Jr. is not playing as Sherlock Holmes. He's playing as a guy with Sherlock Holmes's name but with a completely different character. When you're adapting a character you gotta make sure that the adaptation is, you know, at least partly like the original character.
@lelandlancaster:Lol Doyle purists.
Excuse me if I don't want to see an the greatest mystery icon ever get the Hollywood rape treatment like so many other icons. Youknow I really hate this hypocritical shit where people say it's not a big deal and then when a character they like gets the Hollywood treatment…
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@Thousand:
Excuse me if I don't want to see an the greatest mystery icon ever get the Hollywood rape treatment like so many other icons.
The movie's done already. You don't have to like the movie (for whatever reasons you choose) but not letting others enjoy it in peace doesn't really do any good.
@Thousand:
Youknow I really hate this hypocritical shit where people say it's not a big deal and then when a character they like gets the Hollywood treatment…
You're assuming everyone else is as batshit insane as most "purists". You know what characters I really like? Deadpool and Goku. Wolverine Origins and Dragonball Evolution didn't make me flip my shit like a bitter five year old. So what if characters I like get the Hollywood treatment? It doesn't make me like them any less. And if other people enjoy those adaptations? What the fuck do I care? Let them enjoy what they want.
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If I wanna bitch about this travesty, I have every right to.
I find it funny how you're just categorizing me in a cheap attempt to lessen my credibility.
People feel naturally attached to their favorite characters. Imagine if someone started a thread dedicated to talking shit about Luffy. People will naturally get offended and try to defend him. Sherlock Holmes is a great, timeless character and seeing Hollywood drag his name through the mud enrages me to no end. The worst part is that the ignorant masses are gonna think that this piss-poor adaptation reflects his true character and think that Robert Downey Jr.'s inferior vesion is the real Holmes. Some dumbasses are even going to think the movie is an exact representation of what happens in the book. This is just destroying everything Sherlock Holmes was and is built on. All because Hollywood wanted the extra publicity from his name.
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Deadpool and Goku. Wolverine Origins and Dragonball Evolution didn't make me flip my shit like a bitter five year old.
They're American characters. Sherlock Holmes is English, and one does not like seeing a British icon get raped by some foreigners.
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@Thousand:
If I wanna bitch about this travesty, I have every right to.
I find it funny how you're just categorizing me in a cheap attempt to lessen my credibility.
Pffft. Credibility? You? Lmao.
They're American characters. Sherlock Holmes is English, and one does not like seeing a British icon get raped by some foreigners.
Goku isn't American but that actually makes sense why Brits would be upset. Hmm.
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Sherlock Holmes with a love interest….interesting, but if you go by the book, he is...well, not that crazy about women. The only one that appeared to have caught his interest got married. As for Watson, I can handle him having a love interest since it is indicated that he lived with Holmes for several months before becoming married. Plus he was formerly in the army, so if we assume that he continued to train or at least work out a little bit, it is plausible for him to be fairly fit and not fat.
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They're American characters. Sherlock Holmes is English, and one does not like seeing a British icon get raped by some foreigners.
Yet James Bond is British, and almost everyone agrees that Sean Connery is the best Bond.
Actors portraying characters from a different nationality is nothing new. RDJ is at least giving a semblance of an accent, same as he did while playing an Australian in Tropic Thunder. Do you think people boo Shakespeare performances of Midsummer Night's Dream because the actors of Theseus, Hermia, Lysander, etc. aren't actually Greek? Pretending you are something you aren't is the most basic facet of acting.
Now, if the trailer is unappealing to you, don't watch the movie. If it looks good, go right ahead and watch it.
I stated that while the trailer indeed shows that this movie has pieces of Holmes' character, and that can't be argued since he was a man with a sense of humor, above-average strength and fighting prowess, and an unquenchable thirst for adventure, it is missing the aspect of his deductive wit and egotistical attitude.
Now, the movie in general, with no one saying "Sherlock Holmes" looks good to me. That means that I will watch it. However, it is a Sherlock Holmes movie, so when I do see it, I will know if the full characterization of Holmes was good or bad in my opinion.
People can tell if a movie looks appealing and interesting from a trailer, so that is a viable way to base a decision on if you will watch a movie, but trying to say you know the entirety of a character is flawed simply by judging a two minute trailer of what is likely a two hour movie is childish.
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And plenty of American movies has British, Canadian and Australian actors and actresses portraying American characters anyway :silly:. What a shocker. Anyway, Spock of all things had a love interest and that turned out fine. I could swear tho, this isn't the first Sherlock adaptation with a some kind of love interest. Hmm….
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@Syan:
Yet James Bond is British, and almost everyone agrees that Sean Connery is the best Bond.
Found this on Wiki:
James Bond's creator, Ian Fleming, doubted the casting, saying, "He's not what I envisioned of James Bond looks" and "I’m looking for Commander Bond and not an overgrown stunt-man," adding that Connery (muscular, 6' 2", and a Scot) was unrefined. However, Fleming's girlfriend told him Connery had the requisite sexual charisma. Fleming changed his mind after the successful Dr. No premiere; he was so impressed, he created a half-Scottish, half-Swiss heritage for the literary James Bond in the later novels.
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I am highly against this movie, not just because of the sullying of the Holmes name, but of what it represents: the fact that we have to dumb down intelligent stories as soon as they become iconic. Or just the fact that too many people feel compelled to dumb down media for mass consumption.
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Found this on Wiki:
Well, I didn't know that aspect, but the point of my post still stands as the change was an addendum after Connery was cast. Interesting to know, though.
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i just saw 3 sherlock holmes commercials in a row
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Comedy Central has been showing it at every commercial break too.
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Today, I came thiiiis close to jumping off the roof.
Then I saw the Sherlock Holmes Trailer.It saved my life, people.
You'll be fine, I understand if you guys are pissed that Hollywood gave Holmes a gutpunch, it's almost as if they hired Shia Labeouf to play as Luffy in a live action movie. THEN I'd take that suicide consideration seriously (Not really).
I'm gonna go watch this movie.
And if it's good, then
God
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@Syan:
Yet James Bond is British, and almost everyone agrees that Sean Connery is the best Bond.
Hollywood can do Bond, cos Bond is what Hollywood's all about; sex and action.
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Read the rest of the post you quoted me on. It still stands that being something you aren't is what acting is.
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I see… I will watch this film! And hopefully post a (probably negative) review on this forum later!
I have low, low expectations.
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I ll watch it, I liked Robert Dawney Jr in Tropic Thunder so I wont miss it.
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I see… I will watch this film! And hopefully post a (probably negative) review on this forum later!
I have low, low expectations.
Looks interesting to me, but I'll definitely bash it if it's a disappointment.
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I might as well see it. If you're going to re-invent Sherlock Holmes and piss people off no matter what you do, you might as well be as over the top as you want.
Like this:
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@LC:
I might as well see it. If you're going to re-invent Sherlock Holmes and piss people off no matter what you do, you might as well be as over the top as you want.
Like this:
Nkn8n18yS7A
You just gave me diarrhea. Ugly CGI car busting out of a clock? Scratchy awful, cereal commercial music with bad voice overs? And did they really make Lestrade into a tsundere chick?
Ugh, I think I'm gonna vomit:sick::sick::sick:
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Character designwise that cartoon looked great.
