- Year of Kakashi
..so he said that, again?!
- Year of Kakashi
..so he said that, again?!
Kishi has gone on record that he's unable to write or design female characters very well.
And yet he has no problem drawing guys that look like girls and writing a story. ^^; I guess it's just a mental thing for him.
The next chapter looks to be a good turning point in the story…
...after all Naruto will solve the maths equation of Sasuke being evil + my old pal = must kill him to save him.
Plus we get to see the battle begin, which will probably unveil some more history, more moves, Danzo's ultimate plan etc.
I wonder if Kishi will start focusing on any of the character remaining in Konoha any time soon?
The next chapter looks to be a good turning point in the story…
...after all Naruto will solve the maths equation of Sasuke being evil + my old pal = must kill him to save him.
Plus we get to see the battle begin, which will probably unveil some more history, more moves, Danzo's ultimate plan etc.
I wonder if Kishi will start focusing on any of the character remaining in Konoha any time soon?
I doubt it. Id love to see some of the other characters have more battles. Some havent even had a real battle yet. Like Shino, Ino, Hinata, Ten Ten. Its like he keeps making more and more characters to bring into the story but he hasnt even done anything with the characters he has. Like now there is Eagle or hebi whatever the hell that thing is called now and the kages. Im still waiting for a Shino fight.
Fan : What about Shikamaru's love interest ?
Kishi : Who is Shikamaru ?
Fan : What about Shikamaru's love intrest ?
Kishi : Who is Shikamaru ?
Fan: Eh… the kid who controls his shadow...
Kishi: Wow, that sounds like an awesome power! I'll steal it!
AND MAKE IT GAY!
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Voice recording not included… otherwise I'd tell everyone your secrets. Muhahahaha. :D
It's funny how this robot is more sympathetic than Sakura.
And has far more of a personality.
"Year of kakashi" sounds promising..
Yeah, remember last year when he said Kakashi would have a "big event" coming up. I'm guessing that was fake death in which he met his dad by campfire.
…Yeah.
I'd ask why you'd need an entire year for a single character instead of working with all of them, but then I remember who the writer is.
He doesn't know how wrong he is.
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EDIT: Shinji starts hyperventilating again and this guy couldn't be bothered to find a bag so yeah… if kishi reads NGE then next chapter we might be seeing this...
Except Naruto wouldn't push away but rather embrace the boy love.
It's like he's trapped in the panel, trying desperately to escape, still makes me lol
Id love to see some of the other characters have more battles. Some havent even had a real battle yet. Like Shino, Ino, Hinata, Ten Ten. Its like he keeps making more and more characters to bring into the story but he hasnt even done anything with the characters he has. Like now there is Eagle or hebi whatever the hell that thing is called now and the kages. Im still waiting for a Shino fight.
I don't think that they are underdeveloped, kishi just gives characters more history then most other mangas before ridding the plot of them, thus they are mistaken for more important players in the story.
Most of them have only been used as competition for Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura to grow stronger. As well as their own separate skills giving us insight into the different ninja clans, political structures and unveiling large portions of the stories infrastructure.
But their are a few that should have more time used on them, mainly due to the fact that they haven't been used for any of the reasons above and have been abruptly abandoned, with the hint and set-up for another reappearance.
The best examples would be Hinata and Lee. Most of the other Ninjas Naruto grew up with have only one use left, which is to be Narutos friends.
(that way he can give the whole lonely child, sad eyes speech that inspires him)
@Zyordius
Use [hide] tags on images, perhaps then I wouldn't be curled in the floor having a fit.
Except Naruto wouldn't push away but rather embrace the boy love.
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww331/zyordius/seizure.gif
It's like he's trapped in the panel, trying desperately to escape, still makes me lol
Yep, Naruto is gayer than Shinji. That, my friends, is pretty fucking gay.
I always thougth that Tenten could become a cool character if Kishi used her better i really like her figthing style, and Ino(acording to the games) uses poison flowers as weapons and i think thats really cool, these are the only characters of Naruto friend's that haven't won any fight or had any importance in the story, Hinata too, but she has a higther chance of doing something in the future then Tenten and Ino.
@iSheep:
It's funny how this robot is more sympathetic than Sakura.
Don't you dare attack Sakura-chan. She is more intelligent than you… I hate guys like you who harass my favourite character.
Hmm. . .
Don't you dare attack Sakura-chan. She is more intelligent than you… I hate guys like you who harass my favourite character.
I hope you're joking.
Don't you dare attack Sakura-chan. She is more intelligent than you… I hate guys like you who harass my favourite character.
2/10 chance of being an alt, 6/10 chance of being a troll, 10/10 chance you're being really stupid.
I hope you're joking.
No i don't like hinata very much. But i always loved Sakura-chan. :wub::wub::wub:
Make that a 7/10 chance you're an alt.
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I always thougth that Tenten could become a cool character if Kishi used her better i really like her figthing style, and Ino(acording to the games) uses poison flowers as weapons and i think thats really cool, these are the only characters of Naruto friend's that haven't won any fight or had any importance in the story, Hinata too, but she has a higther chance of doing something in the future then Tenten and Ino.
This is a basic review of how I see them being used in the story.
Kiba Inuzuka - Has shown about the combination moves between man and animal. Plus it unveils another tracking ability, plus more clans.
Shino Aburame - Another clan and jutsu style revealed.
Hinata Hyuga - Narutos bitch, Byakugan ability, another clan.
Choji Akimichi - Rofl….Fat jokes, good enough.
Shikamaru Nara - Similar to Sasuke in the sense that he has shown that brain outdoes brawn…...every now and then. Plus another style of jutsu.
Ino Yamanaka - Sakuras competition to become stronger and improve medical jutsu.
Rock Lee - Giving us a reason to continue reading. Plus he proved the importance of Taijutsu.
Neji Hyuga - More revelations about the Byakugan.
Tenten - Giving an insight into summoning and full usage of the weapons used in the ninja world.
Basically they were responsible for showing the readers most of the jutsu styles, clans and strengths used to make the ninja so strong and highly respected. With this in mind its obvious why most of these characters have been abandoned, simply because they've lived out their use.
Tenten - Giving an insight into summoning and full usage of the weapons used in the ninja world.
You have a point with all the others but did Kishi revealed Tenten fighting abilities in the manga, the only thing i remember is her being beaten by Temari off-screen.
In my opinion Tenten only role is to be the designed female member in her team.
Don't you dare attack Sakura-chan. She is more intelligent than you… I hate guys like you who harass my favourite character.
No i don't like hinata very much. But i always loved Sakura-chan. :wub::wub::wub:
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Username: Andrew1995
Location: Texas
Age: 14
Riddle solved…
andrew1995 you and TLC would be bff
You have a point with all the others but did Kishi revealed Tenten fighting abilities in the manga, the only thing i remember is her being beaten by Temari off-screen.
In my opinion Tenten only role is to be the designed female member in her team.
TenTen was too boring to show fighting, with the exception of her first fight which only showed the into and ending?
Although she did have a few moments in the animé, it still doesn't make up for the fact that she's contributed the least towards Naruto and co developing further.
What does my age has to do with anything? You know nothing about me. I thought i can discuss naruto here…
Don't you dare attack Sakura-chan. She is more intelligent than you… I hate guys like you who harass my favourite character.
What does my age has to do with anything? You know nothing about me.
We know enough.
Btw thanks for successfully ruining the next three pages of this thread. The chances of anything related to Naruto being discussed just dropped to 0%
lololololol hahahahahaha…thats funny
Did JuJu just gain an ally in Andrew1995?
Oh my cheesecake, they are spreding….
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Gaara, thank you for implementing a hide tag, thats much better than it was a few minutes ago.
Basically they were responsible for showing the readers most of the jutsu styles, clans and strengths used to make the ninja so strong and highly respected. With this in mind its obvious why most of these characters have been abandoned, simply because they've lived out their use.
Bullshit.
Every last one of them has a unique personality, fighting style, clan, and history. Every last one could have contributed, been fleshed out, grown, and gotten good fights in, WITHOUT detracting from the leads in any way. Particularly the Hyuuga clan, who clearly have just as much untapped backhistory, clan stryfe, fighting potential, and shifting dynamics as the Uchiha did. (and one of them even has boobs and likes Naruto! gasp)
And a very large chunk of them, got elaborate fights and backstories AFTER the chunin exam. If they'd been one offs, beaten in the exams and never seen again, it would have been one thing. But once Kishi brought them back as supporting characters with extended fights and screen time and gave them missions together, and more elaborate histories, he pretty much promised the narrative of the series from that point on was going to be "Naruto AND all these other guys."
If Kishi cared about any of them or the series anymore, he could easily have kept that consistent balance going. There not a single good reason Shikimaru has had 4 major fights on camera and Tenten has had none. People often argue the case that "well, they're just secondaries, they don't matter." except… Shikimaru has gotten 4 battles, an arc to himself, and huge ammounts of screentime, yet he's clearly NOT part of the main Nartuo, Sasuke, Sakura trio. He's had more on screen battles than Sakura. And Rock Lee has had just as many. Meanwhile, Sai has yet to do anything despite in theory being part of the main team.
Its natural for an author to gravitate towards some characters more than others, and that's fine. And I'm not asking that say, Temari suddenly get as much screentime as Naruto or Sasuke. BUT, Kishimoto has shown that he's perfectly capable of balancing the entire cast and keeping them all fresh and interesting, its just obvious at this point he has no interest in doing so. (Otherwise, as I often point out, Pain with his six bodies would have been the PERFECT time for the neglected cast members to shine.)
There's tons of room for the secondary characters to grow and evolve and be interesting, and no excuse about them "not being important" cuts it, when they've gotten as much screentime and development as they have.
You don't introduce 20 characters in the first act, and then only use 4 of them in act two. That's just bad narrative, for any piece of literature.
Its not Kishi's fault he's tired with the series and is trying to run through it as fast as possible. It IS a shame though.
Yeah with this last couple of chapters Kishi proved that he can use secondary characters, too bad he isn't using the characters we want, i bet he even has forgotten some of the his own characters (Guy vs Kisame being rivals anyone) the manga is in its final arc so we should finnaly see the characters we all like get some action, because Kishi can do that.
But now we will have Naruto traning, Kakashi doing something, Sasuke being evil, and Sakura being a heroine, it reminds me of all of Naruto since the timeskip
(Guy vs Kisame being rivals anyone)
You thought Guy should have just randomly appeared for no reason in the fight between Killer Bee and Kisame?
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The kira one slayed me
@robbybedfart:
Bullshit.
Well fuck you buddy.
Every last one of them has a unique personality, fighting style, clan, and history. Every last one could have contributed, been fleshed out, grown, and gotten good fights in, WITHOUT detracting from the leads in any way. PARTICULARLY the Hyuuga clan, who clearly have just as much untapped backhistory, clan strife, fighting potential, and shifting dynamics as the Uchiha did.
Well kishi had to give them a personality, as well as any of the handful of small topics he needs to drop in at the early stage in the story just to be expanded upon in a huge plot twist later on. This is how he used them so far. As for proof, when was the last time you saw any of them doing something that actually impacted the story? Seriously they are exposed randomly here and there just to keep Narutos family of friends reinforced in the story.
And a very large chunk of them, got elaborate fights and backstories AFTER the chunin exam. If they'd been one offs, beaten in the exams and never seen again, it would have been one thing. But once Kishi brought them back as supporting characters with extended fights and screen time, and more elaborate histories, pretty much promising the narrative of the series from that point on was going to be "Naruto AND all these other guys."
Choji, Tenten, Ino, Shino, Shikamuaru, Neji, Lee, Kankuro, Temari…...what have they done that has remotely effected the story the last 100 chapters?
If Kishi cared about any of them or the series anymore, he could easily have kept that consistent balance going. There not a single good reason Shikimaru has had 4 major fights on camera and Tenten has had none. People often argue the case that "well, they're just secondaries, they don't matter." except… Shikimaru has gotten 4 battles, an arc to himself, and huge ammounts of screentime, yet he's clearly NOT part of the main Nartuo, Sasuke, Sakura trio. He's had more on screen battles than Sakura. And Rock Lee has had just as many. Meanwhile, Sai has yet to do anything despite in theory being part of the main team.
Isn't it obvious why? It is due to the character ratings. Seriously though the characters seem to get more battles judging on how popular they are. TenTen, Ino, Chouji, Shino arent high up on the list and guess what…. They've done nothing.
Its natural for an author to gravitate towards some characters more than others, and thats fine. And I'm not asking that say, Temari suddenly get as much screentime as Naruto or Sasuke. BUT, Kishimoto has shown that he's perfectly capable of balancing the entire cast and keeping them all fresh and interesting, its just obvious at this point he has no interest in doing so. (Otherwise, as I often point out, Pain with his six bodies would have been the PERFECT time for the neglected cast members to shine.)
Exactly, Kishi could have easily used them at multiple times throughout yet he hasn't due to the fact they they've fulfilled their roles. Now don't get me wrong I'm sure most of the aforementioned group will have another moment to shine, but only to tie up the loose ends. The main role they can play now is to remain the Konoha family that keeps the main character strong. Now you might try to argue that role isn't important, but look at what happened when just one of them disappears (sasuke). Naruto needs this foundation as his source of strength.
Actually they do have another role. They must appear tiny in comparison to Narutos sage/fox mode, thus enhancing this size of narutos penis/ego/heroic possition.
There's tons of room for the secondary characters to grow and evolve and be interesting, and no excuse about them "not being important" cuts it, when they've gotten as much screentime and development as they have.
Kishi disagrees. (kishi only)
You don't introduce 20 characters in the first act, and then only use 4 of them in act two. That's just bad narrative, for any piece of literature.
Again, a large portion of them were misread as major characters. Kishi doesn't maintain his fondness or loyalty to his character which is proven by his use of them throughout.
Its not Kishi's fault he's tired with the series and is trying to run through it as fast as possible. It IS a shame though.
I think he's just trying to focus on the remaining characters that will play a big part in the final conclusion. After all trying to tie them up simultaneously would be an authors nightmare.
You thought Guy should have just randomly appeared for no reason in the fight between Killer Bee and Kisame?
Yes.
Choji, Tenten, Ino, Shino, Shikamuaru, Neji, Lee, Kankuro, Temari…...what have they done that has remotely effected the story the last 100 chapters?
That Kishi chose not to use them is NOT the same as it being a good decision, or good writing.
Isn't it obvious why? It is due to the character ratings. Seriously though the characters seem to get more battles judging on how popular they are. TenTen, Ino, Chouji, Shino arent high up on the list and guess what…. They've done nothing.
I'll accept that Kishi bowtows to the fans instead of telling the story properly. I'll also accept that this IS a buisness, and to some degree, making use of what turns out to be popular IS part of a writer and an editor's job. BUT.
Do character ratings keep Oda from reusing his dozens/hundreds of characters? This war arc aside, he doesn't use JUST Luffy after introducing a whole mess of other characters. (And I'm sure it'll be over soon and the entire cast will be reunited properly and get even screentime again, along with antgonists and secondary characters.) Hell, Oda now has a regular main cast of 9 characters and keeps them all equal and balanced, and uses cover stories to show stories of characters from past arcs, and keeps bringing things back into play. Zoro, Sanji, Nami and Chopper are frequantly the most popular characters in the OP polls, and for this entire year, he ditched them, and put Buggy and Mr. 3 in their place! Mr. freakin' 3, who nobody likes! Because it was better for the story, even if the fans didn't know it yet.
And lest you think I'm just kissing up to OP. Negima manages to maintain a huge rotating cast. (31 girls and 4 teachers are introduced in the first chapter alone… and almost all of them have gotten lots of screentime and development, along with dozens of new characters!) Bakuman balances a huge cast as well where there are a clear 2 main characters, but at least a dozen secondary characters getting tons of screen time. Bleach shows EVERYONE to the point of derailment, but Bleach always had pacing issues. (when it takes three years to get through a handful of fights, that IS too much.)
Dragonball failed utterly at it and ditched all its "weaker" characters as the series progressed, but then, Toriyama didn't have his heart in the series either after the midpoint where he WANTED to end it and really was just doing what the fans wanted. (Like bringing back Goku as the lead instead of focusing on Gohan like he wanted. And he apparently just flat out forgot Launch existed...)
Character polls obviously have an effect, and they may guide the ditors to encourage some things, but only because Kishi chooses to let them.
Exactly, Kishi could have easily used them at multiple times throughout yet he hasn't due to the fact they they've fulfilled their roles.
Thousands and thousands of novels and tv shows understand that you don't introduce more characters than you intend to use, but I'll leave those examples out and keep it to manga contemporaries. If you plan on a story being 100 chapters, you don't ditch 90% of the cast at chapter 37.
On the other hand, if you plan on a story being 35 chapters, and get to chapter 37 and no longer have any idea what you are doing, as is clearly the case with Kishi, its a little different, but no better, and still not a good excuse.
Now don't get me wrong I'm sure most of the aforementioned group will have another moment to shine, but only to tie up the loose ends.
No. No they won't. They've had opportunites against several of the akatsuki and have done absolutely nothing. They will never do anything of value or worth again, I accepted that once and for all dring Pain.
Again, a large portion of them were misread as major characters.
Because from chapters 30-180, they had balanced development and screentime, having been introduced as equals and contemporaries all with their own story arcs and paths, which continued sporadically into part 2, and then suddenly stopped entirely after Shikimaru's arc. They weren't MISREAD as main characters, they WERE for three or four years.
(And especially so in the anime filler and video games, but I can't hold that against Kishi.)
Kishi doesn't maintain his fondness or loyalty to his character which is proven by his use of them throughout.
Yes. And thats exactly the problem.
I think he's just trying to focus on the remaining characters that will play a big part in the final conclusion.
Because he stopped caring long ago and just wants to be done with it.
After all trying to tie them all up simultaneously would be a nightmare.
Other series do it fine. Kishi did it for most of part one. He put the pieces out, its his own fault if he doesn't finish the puzzle.
His not caring or wanting to attempt it is an excuse, NOT a good reason.
Sasuke is gonna kill Sakura.
You heard it here first while Naruto fans around the world will be shocked.
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BTW
Anyone else find this funny?
Kishi: Well I might do this pairing. Or that pairing. But I might put these two together. These two will never get together. On the other hand those two migh-
Oda: "I write shonen manga. You want romance, go read shojo manga."
^(The man literally said that)
Sasuke is gonna kill Sakura.
You heard it here first while Naruto fans around the world will be shocked.
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Is that a reveal from Jump festa no one noticed? Or is it you just sayin'. Cause if its the later, I'm going to quote you on that.
That would be the first legitimate and interesting twist in the series in a long time.
I don't think Kishi has the stones.
@robbybedfart:
On the other hand, if you plan on a story being 35 chapters, and get to chapter 37 and no longer have any idea what you are doing, as is clearly the case with Kishi, its a little different, but no better.
No. No they won't. They've had opportunites against several of the akatsuki and have done absolutely nothing. They will never do anything of value or worth again, I accepted that once and for all dring Pain.
Because from chapters 30-180, they had balanced development and screentime, having been introduced as equals and contemporaries all with their own story arcs and paths, which continued sporadically into part 2, and then suddenly stopped entirely after Shikimaru's arc. They weren't MISREAD as main characters, they WERE for three or four years.
His not caring or wanting to attempt it is an excuse, NOT a good reason.
Several problems with your arguments are stemmed from the fact that you're comparing Kishi's use of characters to other Manga authors, and not just Oda but several others…
I know what your point is about the bad usage but with that many characters I doubt he could continue the current plot and fit in room for them. Not without extending the story by at least another couple of hundred chapters.
Again I must stress that although they have had chances to fight Akatsuki and others, they couldn't due to the importance of that training arc. How else could Naruto prove himself to Konohas ninjas, and gain the position he has acquired. (Hero)
I think the biggest chance Kishi had was the pain arc, but you saw what happened to those that stepped in. Perhaps the reason he didn't let them all get involved is that he had too much respect for his founding characters to get annihilated. With the exception of Lee......
…..8th Gate + Spirit of youth = Badass mother fucker.
As for Gregs speculation, I could roll with it.
@robbybedfart:
That Kishi chose not to use them is NOT the same as it being a good decision, or good writing.
That is debatle, having too big cast and dividing attention between all of them can make manga confusing to some readers and slow down storys overall progression.
However in Naruto Rookie-9 have all quite fleshed out charecters and decent backrounds and fans know them and WANT to know more about them. Current story line is already a total mess so I dont see anyreason to ignore them.
Naruto series reception would get alot of boost if Kishi would bother to give screentime to other minor charecters who all seem to have dedicated fanbases.
Its calling 'throwing a bone'. Not a big deal and dont need much of an effort but its very welcomed on fanbase.
I'll accept that Kishi bowtows to the fans instead of telling the story properly. I'll also accept that this IS a buisness, and to some degree, making use of what turns out to be popular IS part of a writer and an editor's job. BUT.
I fail to understand how Kishi bowtows hes fans? I think he is morelike spitting over fans.
LOOK Bleach, Hitsugaya (brat captain with white hair,freezing attacks and lot of arrogance) got massive amounts of panels and entire chapters dedicated to him. While Oda made chapter 0 telling about events 20 years ago before current storyline, Tite Kubo made similar chapter telling events of Hitsugaya and his damn sword. Oh and Hitsugaya is perhaps most popular charecter among japanese fans for some reason.
Kubo does not plan his story ahead, he looks charecter polls and plan his story by popularity polls.
Do character ratings keep Oda from reusing his dozens/hundreds of characters?
We all do this mistake by comparing other series to One Piece, I do it often aswell. One Piece belongs with 'holy trinity' with Naruto and Bleach and these series are often compared each other.
Current One Piece and current Bleach/Naruto are so completely diffrent leagues by every aspect that comparing them is futile at best.
And lest you think I'm just kissing up to OP. Negima manages to maintain a huge rotating cast. (31 girls and 4 teachers are introduced in the first chapter alone… and almost all of them have gotten lots of screentime and development, along with dozens of new characters!) Bakuman balances a huge cast as well where there are a clear 2 main characters, but at least a dozen secondary characters getting tons of screen time. Bleach shows EVERYONE to the point of derailment, but Bleach always had pacing issues. (when it takes three years to get through a handful of fights, that IS too much.)
The way you keep praising Negima is gradually getting me intrested about reading it. I read couple of its first chapters and I feared that series would be all ecchi/panty shots for hundreds of chapters. Just like To-Love ru was completely pointless ecchi series. But if Negima is truely become so deep later then perhaps I should give it a honest shot.
Dragonball failed utterly at it and ditched all its "weaker" characters as the series progressed, but then, Toriyama didn't have his heart in the series either after the midpoint where he WANTED to end it and really was just doing what the fans wanted. (Like bringing back Goku as the lead instead of focusing on Gohan like he wanted. And he apparently just flat out forgot Launch existed…)
Dragonball was 'first' of its kind of these type of battle-mangas, if you go read it now by your current standards it will be horrifyingly dissapointing and plain boring by now.
Unless you were its fan by then and nostalgy makes it smoother.
Character polls obviously have an effect, and they may guide the ditors to encourage some things, but only because Kishi chooses to let them.
Not Kishi, KUBO.
No. No they won't. They've had opportunites against several of the akatsuki and have done absolutely nothing. They will never do anything of value or worth again, I accepted that once and for all dring Pain.
Yeah only Shikamaru had his shot and it was very poorly done in my opinion. Hidan was slow, dumb and predicable. Shikamarus 1vs1 victory left bad taste for my mouth when I read it first time.
Well Kakazu fight became utter disaster when Naruto butted in. Kakashi,Yamato, Chooji, Ino all just standed there and let Naruto do his retarded show that only worked because Kakazu was so f*cking dumb.
And Pain was perfect opportunity to let rookie-9 to shine with his multiple bodies and multiple strenghts/weaknesses but instead Kishimoto decided to take huge shit on Konoha village's military power and decided to let that blonde brat win by retarded way.
So many wasted opportunitys.
Because he stopped caring long ago and just wants to be done with it.
He could finish this in 10 chapters and end entire series in 15-20 chapters if he would really want to end this. But why kill milking cow? Hardcore Narutards will take any shit Kishi throws at them. Every chapter gets alot of praise by naruto fans regardless content.
Other series do it fine. Kishi did it for most of part one. He put the pieces out, its his own fault if he doesn't finish the puzzle.
His not caring or wanting to attempt it is an excuse, NOT a good reason.
Yeah I agree its bloody shame, I once waited every Naruto chapter and episode and it was even one of my weekly fixes now I could not be arsed about anime and every manga chapter is just plain bad.
Naruto could have still been the hero by finishing pain when everyone else would have fight till they can't stand anymore.
Did Kishi said somewhere that he want to rush as fast as possible to finish the manga? The last thing i recall is him saying that he is jealous of one piece because it has the potential to last long?
Of course one can compare the concepts used in naruto to those used in other mangas and see what worked the best.
So… Smudge your point is?
Or is it you just sayin'.
Me just sayin' .
Naruto could have still been the hero by finishing pain when everyone else would have fought till they couldn't stand anymore.
Not only would the others have gotten in the way but Naruto had a score to settle due to Jaraiyas apparent death. So this fight was between Pain and Naruto.
Also the others were more useful evacuating Konohas citizens.
Did Kishi say somewhere that he want to rush as fast as possible to finish the Manga? The last thing I recall is him saying that he is jealous of one piece because it has the potential to last long?
Yes, and his can't because it would be impossible to stretch the story without effecting Narutos journey. Perhaps if the story hadn't been building up to this moment then Kishi could waste pages on white noise characters that can't justify their own page space.
Of course one can compare the concepts used in naruto to those used in other mangas and see what worked the best.
You mean copy other Authors instead of trying to find an original idea…..?
So… Smudge is your point?
Rock Lee should be the only other character to have taken on an Akatsuki member…...Zetsu anyone?
Where is Zetsu anyway? The White side's dead, but the Black side has to be out there somewhere… Him being the storyteller side and all, he's probably writing for a Shinobi newspaper somewhere on Madara's exploits.
We all do this mistake by comparing other series to One Piece, I do it often aswell. One Piece belongs with 'holy trinity' with Naruto and Bleach and these series are often compared each other.
Current One Piece and current Bleach/Naruto are so completely diffrent leagues by every aspect that comparing them is futile at best.
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And Pain was perfect opportunity to let rookie-9 to shine with his multiple bodies and multiple strenghts/weaknesses but instead Kishimoto decided to take huge shit on Konoha village's military power and decided to let that blonde brat win by retarded way.So many wasted opportunitys.
I'm sorry Shandian, I was going to reply to most of your points, but quoting loses my initial quotes and most of the context goes away.
My main point still stands though. I'm not saying Naruto needs to be at the level of One Piece. I'm saying its entirely possible to balance out a large number of characters, and many, many other series have done it, and done it well, INCLUDING Naruto itself.
When in a weekly fight manga, built around battles, you'd think characters with different abilities would be a huge blessing in keeping things interesting and creative for the writer, let alone the fans.
And yes, Pain with his different strengths and weaknesses would have been perfect for the kids to take on. They could have fought till they could fight no more, and then Naruto comes in.
Woulda made Pain more menacing too, if we saw him properly beating everyone down.
The way you keep praising Negima is gradually getting me intrested about reading it. I read couple of its first chapters and I feared that series would be all ecchi/panty shots for hundreds of chapters. Just like To-Love ru was completely pointless ecchi series. But if Negima is truely become so deep later then perhaps I should give it a honest shot.
Negima tangent.[hide]It starts out pretty bad, in all honesty, and its pretty obvious why nobody is able to get to the good parts and it has no big following on these board. Its really just Love Hina meets Harry Potter at first, and the first 3 volumes or so are really nothing but gratuitous fanservice shots. That the main male romantic lead is 10… doesn't help either. And the random fanservice keeps popping up at the damndest times. Its really by far the series' weakest point, but the author's been a lot better about it lately.
I mostly stuck with the series because Love Hina proved the author can do really great characterization, and art, and world building, regardless of the over-reliance of fanservice, and after the first bunch of shaky chapters, it starts to come together. I can't point to a specific point where it switched from "that series I'm thinking about giving up on" to one of my "must reads", but it did it somewhere along the way. the arc from chapters 17-25 is where it first starts to come together, but then its shaky for a while after that too.
But later it becomes a more typical shonen manga, with good art, fantastic backgrounds, creative fights, huge plot and world building, romance! and a large recurring cast. After one arc I felt "how the hell can he possibly top that?" and then he went and did it with the current arc that followed it.
If the series had STARTED at the quality it has a few volumes in, had LESS fanservice, or if it were running in Jump, it'd easily be part of the current "shonen trinity". I wish I could just say "start at chapter 80, that's when it hits its stride and doesn't leave.", but so much of the early stuff is setup and establishment and meeting the characters and smaller good arcs, thats hard to do.
But it is easily at its worst at the start. Try reading through chapter 25. if the Eva arc doesn't get you, the rest probably won't. (it gets better and better, but 17-25 is the first real sign of what it turns out to be.) Try not to judge it too harshly by the... inflatable breast balloons.... in one of the early chapters. God that was terrible.[/hide]
Dragonball was 'first' of its kind of these type of battle-mangas, if you go read it now by your current standards it will be horrifyingly dissapointing and plain boring by now.
I love Dragonball like crazy. But its full of flaws, I readily admit them and point them out, and I generally hold most of the android saga in disdain. But… it delivered the dramatic hero moments like nobody's buisness, and it gets some leeway for the fact it pioneered current shonen and the guys that followed were able to learn from him. (For instance, when Naruto had a tournament, it had a RANDOMIZED fight order, so you couldn't predict who would beat who for plot reasons, or even when someone you'd taken a liking to would get to fight at all, which was a great improvement.)
But really. Everyone versus Nappa is exactly what the Pain fight should have been. Everyone tries, shows off their awesome, then falls one by one. THEN GokuNaruto arrives and one-shots Nappa Pain and its all the more impressive and rewarding. You're craving revenge and you're getting satisfaction and a true indicator of power, while you got to see all the lower tier characters try first. (ANd toriyama did the same thing to Recoom, and SORT of did it for Cell and Buu, but never to quite the same effect.)
Unless you were its fan by then and nostalgy makes it smoother.
Nostalgia does help.
He could finish this in 10 chapters and end entire series in 15-20 chapters if he would really want to end this. But why kill milking cow? Hardcore Narutards will take any shit Kishi throws at them. Every chapter gets alot of praise by naruto fans regardless content.
The 10th anniversary is over now, and he's clearly tired, it shows in the storytelling, the art, and the skimping on subplots. I would not be in the least surprised if it ended in the next year or so. (Similarly, Bleach's 10th anniversary is 2011, so no way its ending before 2012.)
Not only would the others have gotten in the way but Naruto had a score to settle due to Jaraiyas apparent death. So this fight was between Pain and Naruto.
They could have TRIED before deciding they were useless. Once Naruto showed up, backing off is fine, thats Shonen rules for you. But they did NOTHING before that. They didn't have to WIN, they just had to TRY.
Especially since Pain resurected everyone anyway, they could have died fighting. There were MANY months of chapters before Naruto even showed up and Pain was attacking the village that they did nothing. Each and every one of them could have tried for a SINGLE page, and fallen. ONE CHAPTER of them all trying, one technique each, and Pain beating them down in short order? That would have not only been a showcase for them, it would have made Pain hella scary.
Instead we got like… Choji's dad, and Konohamaru.
Yes, and his can't because it would be impossible to stretch the story without effecting Narutos journey. Perhaps if the story hadn't been building up to this moment then Kishi could waste pages on white noise characters that can't justify their own page space.
Its a battle manga. Greater variety of characters and abilities are a GOOD thing. And giving a page or two to your side characters, or an occassioanly one or two chapter battle, isn't the same thing as ignoring the leads for 50 chapters at a time.
Rock Lee should be the only other character to have taken on an Akatsuki member…...Zetsu anyone?
What the hell makes Rock Lee more interesting or important than anyone else? That he had the best fight in the series?
You can't defend Rock Lee AND Shikimaru, and then say "none of the others introduced at the same time count."
They don't count because Kishi chooses not to use them, not because it would hurt the story if they did something.