Chapter 568 "Have it Your Own Damned Way" Discussion

Darkestsith6

I love the Placebo idea! It's genius! Whoever thought of if first is great.

It would work well with the story too!

I want to see some Iva action against some top brass. Galaxy Death Wink those bitches

wintergt

they'll do that by killing wb

though i still think someone needs to tip the balance so that luffy and co inc ace can escape alive

and shanks or dragon is the best bet

Best bet I'd say is some unexpected heroics from the many people that are already there: Buggy (by accident ofc), Jimbei, Ivankov, Squardo, etc.

Deathborn

Maybe Luffy will steal some shadows from Moria and go Nightmare mode.

sgn15

what happened to squado?

Ivotas

@Deathborn:

Maybe Luffy will steal some shadows from Moria and go Nightmare mode.

Yep, I speculated about it a couple of days ago. This definitely something I'm expect to see here. Because even if he got his strenght back, Luffy's still not on the level Luffy to really compete with the big boys. So Nightmare mode might be of help. I always hoped that there was a deeper reason for Oda introducing such a power up other than just for the sake of it.

Sea

@Ivotas:

Yep, I speculated about it a couple of days ago. This definitely something I'm expect to see here. Because even if he got his strenght back, Luffy's still not on the level Luffy to really compete with the big boys. So Nightmare mode might be of help. I always hoped that there was a deeper reason for Oda introducing such a power up other than just for the sake of it.

Yeah yeah. Ivankov's hormones, Moria's shadows, Haki burst out of wrath, Jango's "stronger" hypnotization, Mr.3's wax armor, Afro, (and Chopper's doping), and gears, all of that, we will have super Luffy of Yonkou Level to save Ace. And Oda's explanation of why Luffy wouldn't dine in Hell with Roger will be interesting.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

i also think that the hormones are enough power-up so far…
giving more and more opdates to luffy so that he could do a thing is lame..doesn`t feel right!

Ivotas

@The:

Yeah yeah. Ivankov's hormones, Moria's shadows, Haki burst out of wrath, Jango's "stronger" hypnotization, Mr.3's wax armor, Afro, (and Chopper's doping), and gears, all of that, we will have super Luffy of Yonkou Level to save Ace. And Oda's explanation of why Luffy wouldn't dine in Hell with Roger will be interesting.

Thanks for raising my expectations with that.

Sea

@Don:

i also think that the hormones are enough power-up so far…
giving more and more opdates to luffy so that he could do a thing is lame..doesn`t feel right!

Uh. Someway it's like Naruto with his 9 tailed fox and Ichigo with his… eh...you know.

Ivotas

@Don:

i also think that the hormones are enough power-up so far…

The thing is though, they haven't really been a power up but just a refuel of energy so far.

Sea

@Ivotas:

The thing is though, they haven't really been a power up but just a refuel of energy so far.

You are right. When Luffy took that hormone I wondered how could he make any difference because he didn't get stronger with that.

Robo Tussin

@Zp1:

Actually, placebos are more likely to work on him than anyone else. It's been well established in the series that Luffy's simple-mindedness makes him particularly vulnerable to sneaky tricks or suggestion techniques (two key examples being Jango's hypnosis and Goldenweek's color trap).

There are plenty of documented cases where people who are under some sort of placebo effect will do better in some given activity than they did without the placebo effect (despite giving 100% without the placebo). In short, the power of suggestion brings out some potential in people that may not have been accessible otherwise.

Those most likely to resist placebo-related effects are those who have reason to be skeptical of the intended effect of what they're receiving. Obviously Luffy doesn't fall into camp for a multitude of reasons.

Whether or not Ivankov tricked Luffy here remains to be seen - but it's actually a pretty good theory. Given the fearsome reputation that Dragon seems to have in the OP world, it seems like a rather large risk on Ivankov's part to do something that (from his point of view - not knowing about Luffy's plot armor) would almost assuredly kill Dragon's son.

This. I was surprised to see a comment that placebos wouldn't work on Luffy; quite the opposite. Placebos might now work on someone like, say, Croc, who strikes me as more of a skeptic (though this is speculation and would depend on circumstance). Still, my problem with the idea is that Luffy will be wrecking his body with a placebo just as much as getting the real shot, because the end result will still be him fighting a bunch of powerful people after his body is already at its limits.

The idea someone else mentioned about him getting another shot (not a placebo or the one Iva said he was giving) is interesting, but I can't really imagine what that would be at this point.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@Ivotas:

The thing is though, they haven't really been a power up but just a refuel of energy so far.

sure they doesn`t make him stronger than he was before…but having two times the power you normally have just one time, is sure something which is near to "cheating" hehehe

Ivotas

@Don:

sure they doesn`t make him stronger than he was before…but having two times the power you normally have just one time, is sure something which is near to "cheating" hehehe

Never said it didn't, it just isn't something that powered Luffy up. Meaning that component didn't make it into the war yet.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

and you actually want to see luffy being powered-up and than he is able to defeat one of the big shots…would that satisfy anything for you..
for me it would like this fight never happened..it isnt deserved than and it wouldnt be cause luffy was able to....with odz it was equal...fighting him in nightmare form was only okay , cause also odz was somehow modified and they team-koed him..that was good..

but when luffy would have fight asgard moria also as nightmare luffy it would have been lame..
luffy should be able in the end alsways to defeat a villain fair and with his own power...when a villain cheats in a way thats okay(asgard moria wasnt cheated by the way cause it was HIS ability) but luffy shouldnt do that as the protagonist..
i was rly glad that nightmare luffy didn`t fight asgard moria!!

Ivotas

@Don:

and you actually want to see luffy being powered-up and than he is able to defeat one of the big shots…would that satisfy anything for you..
for me it would like this fight never happened..it isnt deserved than and it wouldnt be cause luffy was able to....with odz it was equal...fighting him in nightmare form was only okay , cause also odz was somehow modified and they team-koed him..that was good..

The thing is though with Kizaru at Sabaody, Magellan at Impel Down and many guys at Marine HQ Luffy has displayed almost three times in a row that as he is now, he simply is too weak to move on in the sea's that lie ahead. A power up pretty much is inevitable.

but when luffy would have fight asgard moria also as nightmare luffy it would have been lame..
luffy should be able in the end alsways to defeat a villain fair and with his own power…when a villain cheats in a way thats okay(asgard moria wasnt cheated by the way cause it was HIS ability) but luffy shouldnt do that as the protagonist..
i was rly glad that nightmare luffy didn`t fight asgard moria!!

I'm aware that Nightmare Luffy isn't something that can be used everywhere. I rather believe that Oda introduced Nightmare Luffy for a reason. Not as a permanent power up but as a trigger to something completely different (I just don't know to what yet). I just strikes me as un-Oda-ish to be of no significance to the further plot.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@Ivotas:

The thing is though with Kizaru at Sabaody, Magellan at Impel Down and many guys at Marine HQ Luffy has displayed almost three times in a row that as he is now, he simply is too weak to move on in the sea's that lie ahead. A power up pretty much is inevitable.

yeah sure he has to power-up…but not in moment to another...
it wouldn`t be fitting for a man who wnats to be PK when he wants to win cause of chaeting power-ups..
i mean sure he wants to save ace and everything would be okay for him right now to gain more power..but for the reader it would be kind of a undeserved victory..

and that he lost 3 times in a row just indicates that he has still much to learn and that he has to control his haki AND to power-up by HIMSELF!!

I'm aware that Nightmare Luffy isn't something that can be used everywhere. I rather believe that Oda introduced Nightmare Luffy for a reason. Not as a permanent power up but as a trigger to something completely different (I just don't know to what yet). I just strikes me as un-Oda-ish to be of no significance to the further plot.

i believe it could be used for luffy to invent a new technique using the expierence he had there…but i rly hope it was just a fun-fact for the thriller bark arc and that we don`t see nightmare luffy again in THIS form:happy:
but as you said..by oda nothing is without a reason..so having a new technique in the end could be possible cause of nightmare luffy orso

Ivotas

@Don:

yeah sure he has to power-up…but not in moment to another...
it wouldn`t be fitting for a man who wnats to be PK when he wants to win cause of chaeting power-ups..
i mean sure he wants to save ace and everything would be okay for him right now to gain more power..but for the reader it would be kind of a undeserved victory..

and that he lost 3 times in a row just indicates that he has still much to learn and that he has to control his haki AND to power-up by HIMSELF!!

That's a valid argument. And I wouldn't like to see Nightmare Luffy to overshadow the other big players. I'd rather see him return just so that Luffy could hold his grounds on this battlefield without going down again.

i believe it could be used for luffy to invent a new technique using the expierence he had there…but i rly hope it was just a fun-fact for the thriller bark arc and that we don`t see nightmare luffy again in THIS form:happy:
but as you said..by oda nothing is without a reason..so having a new technique in the end could be possible cause of nightmare luffy orso

Well, I think it could somehow play out to be yet another step forward to getting closer/familiar with his Ambition potential. Perhaps it's because of his King's Ambition that he can harness so many shadows. I'm not really good with examples but I hope you get the point. Just thinking of the possibilities.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@Ivotas:

Well, I think it could somehow play out to be yet another step forward to getting closer/familiar with his Ambition potential. Perhaps it's because of his King's Ambition that he can harness so many shadows. I'm not really good with examples but I hope you get the point. Just thinking of the possibilities.

being able to control so many shadows sure shows us the "magical" power luffy has..a.k.a haki\ambiotion

also i think his next attack-updates will sure have in some way or another all to do with that ambition…so using the expirience luffy had while being nightmare luffy sure does help him to "invent" new techniques.-..

Ivotas

@Don:

being able to control so many shadows sure shows us the "magical" power luffy has..a.k.a haki\ambiotion

also i think his next attack-updates will sure have in some way or another all to do with that ambition…so using the expirience luffy had while being nightmare luffy sure does help him to "invent" new techniques.-..

True. Other than what I just said I also want to see a return of Nightmare Luffy just for the sake of seeing how strong that thing is compared to the really big boys.

And just for the sake of fooling around, Oda's ulterior motive for changing Luffy's vest (color) was so that it would fit better with the blue skin Nightmare Luffy has.

brennen.exe

Well, Nightmare Luffy had little to no purpose in Thriller Bark, so him showing up again while Moria is still around is plausible. The difference I see is that it wouldn't be the Nightmare Luffy we remember, since I doubt there are 100 shadows ready for the taking. Maybe a smaller amount of 10~20 or so? Or, better yet, a few of the New World captains' shadows get taken by Moria, which in turn gets taken and used by Luffy. Or something like that…

Edit: Thinking about it again…was there an explanation for the increase in power for Luffy? Is it just a special trait of stacking shadows into one body? Because the shadows are only supposed to transfer skill/technique, not strength. Right?

MagneticMonkey

do you have any ideas on how luffy will manage to catch so much shadows?

EDIT: I have to ask you donquichottevonDeflamenko if the argument to why luffys ambition began to leak out (motobaro) is tied to nightmare luffy? Or what was the idea behind the "Maybe nightmare luffy will help him get experience"?

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@Ivotas:

True. Other than what I just said I also want to see a return of Nightmare Luffy just for the sake of seeing how strong that thing is compared to the really big boys.

maybe thats why odz jr. was introduced…nightmare luffy was stronger than odz and seeing that the warlords "played with odz jr and dont rly take him serious shows that they should also be on a level like nightmare luffy was..
well but comparing stuff is always hard

And just for the sake of fooling around, Oda's ulterior motive for changing Luffy's vest (color) was so that it would fit better with the blue skin Nightmare Luffy has.

NEVER….it`s because luffy is a fashon god!
EVERYBODY LOVES BLUE:happy:
luffy saw that while he was nightmare luffy and said to himself..i can do better than THAT blue..yehahhh

Polygon

@brennen.exe:

Edit: Thinking about it again…was there an explanation for the increase in power for Luffy? Is it just a special trait of stacking shadows into one body? Because the shadows are only supposed to transfer skill/technique, not strength. Right?

One or two shadows might now produce a notable increase in raw power, but my guess is that a hundred or so will.

MagneticMonkey

do you have any ideas on how luffy will manage to catch so much shadows?

I have to ask you donquichottevonDeflamenko if the argument to why luffys ambition began to leak out (motobaro) is tied to nightmare luffy? Or what was the idea behind the "Maybe nightmare luffy will help him get experience"?

Polygon

To expand on my earlier post, I think that a shadow may give raw power, but it'll be by such a small amount it's barely noticeable. Multiply that times a hundred and you get NM Luffy.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@MagneticMonkey:

do you have any ideas on how luffy will manage to catch so much shadows?

I have to ask you donquichottevonDeflamenko if the argument to why luffys ambition began to leak out (motobaro) is tied to nightmare luffy? Or what was the idea behind the "Maybe nightmare luffy will help him get experience"?

ehhm just call me don or dofla orso:happy:

i meaned that luffy was able to hold 100 shadows in his body COULD give us a early hint that he has so much "ambition" that he was able to hold them, even when he wasnt the user of the shadow-fruit… the guys who gathered the shadows said that you cant take such an amount of shadows at once but luffy was able...

sure he is the main protagonist and was always able to do stuff others cant do.. but here its an "ambition" thing to hold 100 different shadow-charas in my eyes...
seeing how moria had a hard time to hold them all ,shows that the shadows aren`t easy to keep...so having Kings Ambition sure does help here ...

brennen.exe

@Polygon:

One or two shadows might now produce a notable increase in raw power, but my guess is that a hundred or so will.

Well, I looked back, and it appears Oda contradicts himself in a way, but I guess it isn't a big deal. He initially explains the power via Brook. Later on, however, there additional comments that imply strength coming from the shadow. The Rolling Pirates, for example, give a slightly different explanation than Brook did. At one point, it is crystal clear that all the physical strength come from the host, while all the skills and personality come from the shadow. Nightmare Luffy and Shadow's Asgard contradict that though, I think. Anyway, here are a few lines…

Brook: Their personality and fighting prowess belong to the owner of the SHADOW. But the zombie's physical power depends on the mario's musculature. The stronger the body and the stronger the shadow, the stronger the zombie soldier their combination will create. That is why Moria seeks the shadows of bountied pirates.

Brook: What makes things sticky is the cooperation of the genius surgeon Doktor Hogback, who upgrades those creatures to be stronger than they were in life.

Brook: So his slashes can fly as well!! The samurai zombie… moves by the power of my shadow now... but in life, he must have been quite a powerful blademaster!! It is possible that those two possess... the same kind of musculature, as swordsmen.

Perona: Are you listening to me!!? I bet YOUR shadow's pretty tough too, Kuma!!! I'll finish you off and leave you behind as a last present for Moria-sama!

Rolling Pirates: All the strength of the shadow gets added to your own!! […] We can use Moria's powers to make you several times as strong as you are now!! […] And we've got plenty of shadows on hand!! But if you don't have strength of mind, you'll go unconscious and all that power will go to waste.

Polygon

I see what you mean, that does seem like a contradiction. But if you look closely, it does work well with my theory that one shadow does increase physical power, but it's by such a minimal amount that you don't notice it.

Zik

Even tho they talked through Oda. He should've had Moria explain it somehow like when Nightmare Luffy arrived seeing as he wasn't surprised when he found out how he got stronger.

Technique

Ivankov should of gave the Hormones to somebody worth it, like Whitebeard, not luffy.

Ivotas

@MagneticMonkey:

do you have any ideas on how luffy will manage to catch so much shadows?

Lol, I don't know about others but I sure know that if I'd be that creative to come up with plausible scenario everytime you someone requests one, I'd rather write my own series instead of sticking that creativity into speculations about another persons story.

I have to ask you donquichottevonDeflamenko if the argument to why luffys ambition began to leak out (motobaro) is tied to nightmare luffy? Or what was the idea behind the "Maybe nightmare luffy will help him get experience"?

That was me who suggested it. And as I said, I don't lack the creativity to even remotely think of a scenario/possibility how it could play out. I just have my doubts that Nightmare Luffy had absolutely no purpose on the long run. And since it was a power up and the inclusion of Ambition most likely will also be a power up, a connection between the two strikes as likely if Nightmare Luffy had a purpose on the long run.

Johnny B. Decent

@Technique:

Ivankov should of gave the Hormones to somebody worth it, like Whitebeard, not luffy.

You know, Akainu's line of "Even you can't escape old age", and Ivankov's powers being able to possibly change that, and the gaping hole might make for a interesting cliffhanger seeing a rejuvenated, de-aged, healed via "Regeneration Hormones" Whitebeard charging at his foes, and the "Oh crap!" from Sengoku.

Cleon

@Technique:

Ivankov should of gave the Hormones to somebody worth it, like Whitebeard, not luffy.

Like others have said, given the current physical condition of Whitebeard, he might not be able to handle being injected with hormones.

wintergt

Nightmare Luffy looked like a one time gimmick to me, like afro and such.

brennen.exe

@Ivotas:

I just have my doubts that Nightmare Luffy had absolutely no purpose on the long run. And since it was a power up and the inclusion of Ambition most likely will also be a power up, a connection between the two strikes as likely if Nightmare Luffy had a purpose on the long run.

This sparked some thought the other day, but I forgot to comment on it until now. What if, and this is a very big what if, but what if one of the shadows Luffy absorbed had a minor understanding of how to utilize Ambition? As I mentioned above, Oda contradicted himself slightly with how the shadow absorption power-up works, but one thing remained the same: inherited technique and skill. While we know Luffy didn't keep any of that skill or technique, do you think it might be possible that his body maintained the smallest inkling of skill in the area of Ambition? This is a really out-of-left-field theory, but I thought I would throw it out there.

The reason I was reminded of this just now was because I was considering the possibility of Luffy absorbing a New World pirate's shadow. While he shouldn't really gain a power increase, he could inherit an increase in skill, which could include the utilization of Ambition. No? Again, another stretch, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

@wintergt:

Nightmare Luffy looked like a one time gimmick to me, like afro and such.

I agree, but Oda does like to recycle material in a creative way. Unlike most of the other "gimmicks", Nightmare Luffy served little to no purpose, so having another opportunity to be of use could work well.

MagneticMonkey

Hmm i won't like it if luffys learns the trick to use ambition via the shadow of a strong new world pirate. So far luffy was pretty innovative when it comes to develop better techniques or to become more powerful. The learning through the shadows knowledge would kick that innovation away.
Though i like idea that luffy handling multiple shadows is actually a challenge for his ambition and sort of a training…

EDIT: notice that i'm saying that i would dislike it if luffy learns through a shadows experience the trick to use his ambition. Why would oda make it so complex (i mean bumping NM luffy only to make luffy realise what's up) if he can use Boa (she can simply tell him the trick. It would be easier).

Ivotas

@brennen.exe:

This sparked some thought the other day, but I forgot to comment on it until now. What if, and this is a very big what if, but what if one of the shadows Luffy absorbed had a minor understanding of how to utilize Ambition? As I mentioned above, Oda contradicted himself slightly with how the shadow absorption power-up works, but one thing remained the same: inherited technique and skill. While we know Luffy didn't keep any of that skill or technique, do you think it might be possible that his body maintained the smallest inkling of skill in the area of Ambition? This is a really out-of-left-field theory, but I thought I would throw it out there.

The reason I was reminded of this just now was because I was considering the possibility of Luffy absorbing a New World pirate's shadow. While he shouldn't really gain a power increase, he could inherit an increase in skill, which could include the utilization of Ambition. No? Again, another stretch, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

Lol, I also was thinking the same thing. Most probably it went under because the bug got all the attention.^^

But anyways, it might at least be a catalyst to realising that there is a way to touch Logias without using their natural counterpart. From here on he would still have to figure out stuff on his own but at least bringing the possibility to his attention would already be an improvement.

@MagneticMonkey:

Hmm i won't like it if luffys learns the trick to use ambition via the shadow of a strong new world pirate. So far luffy was pretty innovative when it comes to develop better techniques or to become more powerful. The learning through the shadows knowledge would kick that innovation away.
Though i like idea that luffy handling multiple shadows is actually a challenge for his ambition and sort of a training…

EDIT: notice that i'm saying that i would dislike it if luffy learns through a shadows experience the trick to use his ambition. Why would oda make it so complex (i mean bumping NM luffy only to make luffy realise what's up) if he can use Boa (she can simply tell him the trick. It would be easier).

Perhaps just for the sake of having Luffy figure it out by himself instead of going the route of requiring a mentor. Not that it would be a bad idea to have a mentor on Ambition, I just think that it shouldn't be the only possibile approach. And as I explained in my previous paragraph, going Nightmare mode again doesn't have to teach him how to use it but rather simply making him aware of there is such a skill.

MagneticMonkey

@Ivotas:

simply making him aware of there is such a skill.

Ah yes that could work too. But frankly luffy should already be aware that there is a skill that allows you to hurt logias. Hancock kicked Smoker away to free him. So did marco against Aokiji. Boa marigold and sentomarou have been able to hurt him. I mean come on he has plenty of sources to at least assume there is a way (besides the seastone theory :p).

Ivotas

@MagneticMonkey:

Ah yes that could work too. But frankly luffy should already be aware that there is a skill that allows you to hurt logias. Hancock kicked Smoker away to free him. So did marco against Aokiji. Boa marigold and sentomarou have been able to hurt him. I mean come on he has plenty of sources to at least assume there is a way (besides the seastone theory :p).

That's true. But don't forget that he also had his very own experience of hitting a Logia (I'm mainly speaking of Crocodile here since I'm not sure if he's even aware that Enel was a Logia too). And that was based on using the help of water instead of Ambition.

So when this is his only personal experience of hitting a Logia, wouldn't it then be the most plausible guess for him to expect that other guys that touch Logias would have used the same approach, rather then speculating that a skill he's not even aware of yet might have something to do with it?

MagneticMonkey

checkmate Ivotas!

BeSPEC

Couldn't somebody imbue Luffy with haki? Kind of how we've seen arrows imbued.

wintergt

@Ivotas:

That's true. But don't forget that he also had his very own experience of hitting a Logia (I'm mainly speaking of Crocodile here since I'm not sure if he's even aware that Enel was a Logia too). And that was based on using the help of water instead of Ambition.

So when this is his only personal experience of hitting a Logia, wouldn't it then be the most plausible guess for him to expect that other guys that touch Logias would have used the same approach, rather then speculating that a skill he's not even aware of yet might have something to do with it?

Don't forget he's been explicitly told about it. By hatchi about Rayleigh, it was mentionned multiple times on AL, by Smoker after Hancock kicked him.. Luffy never seemed to notice but maybe he gets some introspection going after his current asswhooping, similar to how he developed the gears after he ran into Aokiji. And we've already seen one instance of what seemed to be his haki awakening in this arc. The mantra-like clairvoyance (same as one of the boa sisters had, and was said to be haki) vs Mihawk.

Ivotas

@wintergt:

Don't forget he's been explicitly told about it. By hatchi about Rayleigh, it was mentionned multiple times on AL, by Smoker after Hancock kicked him.. Luffy never seemed to notice but maybe he gets some introspection going after his current asswhooping, similar to how he developed the gears after he ran into Aokiji. And we've already seen one instance of what seemed to be his haki awakening in this arc. The mantra-like clairvoyance (same as one of the boa sisters had, and was said to be haki) vs Mihawk.

That's true. My bad for not being clear with what I meant. I meant he isn't familiar at all that he actually he can use the skill himself. Yes, he has definitely heard of Ambition several times now, but that doesn't mean he has any comprehension of what it is actually leave alone that he himself used it several times already. Sorry once again for poor wording.

MagneticMonkey

I don't think that for the few minutes he was lying on the ground luffy connected the dots. He didn't when he left ID. He didn't on Amazon lily so i'm confident he also didn't when he was more occupied in gathering strength to make a last rush on the plattform.

Ivotas

A first step for him would be to at least realize that it happened a couple of times lately that people and animals around him passed out. It definitely doesn't mean that he should comprehend anything about Ambition but he should at least start getting curious soon.

MagneticMonkey

I have no doubts that Mr.2 will return and tell him what he did at level 5!!!

FireFistAce 0

@brennen.exe:

The reason I was reminded of this just now was because I was considering the possibility of Luffy absorbing a New World pirate's shadow. While he shouldn't really gain a power increase, he could inherit an increase in skill, which could include the utilization of Ambition. No? Again, another stretch, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

Actually, he did:

!

While it's unknown whether Luffy had this guy's shadow or not, it's a 50% chance. With the Rolling Pirates being the only other known living crew (in terms of entire crews) to have their shadows taken, and being that we KNOW that everyone who had their shadows taken had to be currently living in order for the zombie to be functional, it's suspicious that Oda would focus speficially on this guy and his crew. Add that to the fact that Moria only uses (or tries to use) strong shadows in his army, and there you go.

brennen.exe

@Fire:

While it's unknown whether Luffy had this guy's shadow or not, it's a 50% chance.

Actually, it would be around a 10% chance, if not less. Luffy had 100 shadows, Moria 1000.

@Fire:

With the Rolling Pirates being the only other known living crew (in terms of entire crews) to have their shadows taken, and being that we KNOW that everyone who had their shadows taken had to be currently living in order for the zombie to be functional, it's suspicious that Oda would focus specifically on this guy and his crew. Add that to the fact that Moria only uses (or tries to use) strong shadows in his army, and there you go.

What? He showed pirates, Marines, miscellaneous people, Cindry's "Margarita", and more pirates. [[URL="http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/483/06/"]Link]. The focus was on "this guy and his crew" for a longer period of time just to show their perspective (prisoners of Moria) before moving on to other victims. It was just a setup, and could have been anyone. The reason the first example was a pirate was because Moria specifically sought "strong" shadows and had his lair built in the Florian Triangle, therefore the majority of victims should be pirates. The rest of your post, I have no clue what point you are making in regards to my quote.

Darkariel

Is there any other available source of download for the HQ raw besides uploading.com ?

Because I can't seem to be able to download from them

Also a question do you think that guy in Ace's flashback that has is back facing the readers might be Dadan