Buggy's treasure map leads to a map that leads to One Piece!!
He knows how Roger hid his treasure! the armpiece is the key to One Piece!
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Buggy's treasure map leads to a map that leads to One Piece!!
He knows how Roger hid his treasure! the armpiece is the key to One Piece!
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We know One piece is something important to roger.
I believe One piece is the Straw hat! In a recent flashback we saw Roger was wearing a straw hat, maybe after the crew broke up Shanks went and got the hat and later passed One piece on to luffy.
Rayleigh knows what One Piece is, they were best friends, crew or no crew.
We know One piece is something important to roger.
I believe One piece is the Straw hat! In a recent flashback we saw Roger was wearing a straw hat, maybe after the crew broke up Shanks went and got the hat and later passed One piece on to luffy.
Your an idiot, so your telling me that Shanks wore One piece on his adventures and Luffy is searching for something thats on his head?
We know One piece is something important to roger.
I believe One piece is the Straw hat! In a recent flashback we saw Roger was wearing a straw hat, maybe after the crew broke up Shanks went and got the hat and later passed One piece on to luffy.
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We know One piece is something important to roger.
I believe One piece is the Straw hat! In a recent flashback we saw Roger was wearing a straw hat, maybe after the crew broke up Shanks went and got the hat and later passed One piece on to luffy.
I will explain why this is impossible…Shanks was already wearing the Straw Hat while he was on Roger's crew. Roger had by that point switched to a more traditional pirate's hat. This can be seen in the flashbacks with Shanks and Buggy.
@MLG:
I don't recall the fact that Rayleigh had ever mention that? Was it me or you that read on some wrong translation? or Is it just me who forget things. Please link me that part if it was ever published lol
Rayleigh talked to Robin about the Poneglyphs.
He said that they knew what happened to the world in the VC, but they didn't have the kowledge to do something with it.
what I mean by this is that Shanks was probably on the ship, and knows what One Piece and the Poneglyph contain, but he knows that they've had their chance and they wasted it. Shanks is not meant to be the one to find one piece, he knows that.
So he wants to bet on the next generation to find it and do something with it.
We know One piece is something important to roger.
I believe One piece is the Straw hat! In a recent flashback we saw Roger was wearing a straw hat, maybe after the crew broke up Shanks went and got the hat and later passed One piece on to luffy.
As said before, Shanks had the hat while on Roger crew.
One Piece must be something really complex but at the same time easy to understand. Well, I really hope Oda blow our minds when he finally ends the series.
Even if they know, if it is on Raftel, then getting it wouldn't be easy in any sense. Although Shanks, being a yonkou, might be in a position to get there, I don't think Shanks is really interested in obtaining One Piece himself, and he'd rather have Luffy do it. Aside from which, even if Shanks and BUggy have been to Raftel, doesn't mean they know any secret trick or whatever neccesary to get there. They were cabin boys, so I doubt they knew much about how exactly they were getting from place to place. And again, we have to remember the New World is extremely hazardous and has the insane weather conditions it does. Just knowing how to get somewhere doesn't mean you actually will be able to do it
I would say yes, but they just respect Roger that much not to reveal it.
@MLG:
I don't recall the fact that Rayleigh had ever mention that? Was it me or you that read on some wrong translation? or Is it just me who forget things. Please link me that part if it was ever published lol
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I just realized something… talking about Buggy and Shanks, their last names have never been revealed. Sure a lot of characters share the same fate, for example pretty much everybody luffy faced in east blue. But Buggy and Shanks have gone beyond just a couple of characters to being quite regular recurring ones. Doesn`t this strike as odd to you guys?
i think op is the adventure leading up to the end and op is just simbolizes the completion of your dreams because we all know that a worth while adventure is better than any treasure :)
saying that only the inner circle of roger's crew only know about one piece is just stupid, i think..garp described roger as someone who will stay behind for his crewmates..the way i see, he loves his crew very much..and having an inner circle is just ridiculous..
what? "strong ones, come with me..weak shits, stay behind, and you cant see what we will do." lol
but anyway, i think both buggy and shanks knows what one piece is..shanks maybe is not interested..buggy just needs it to be pirate king..not WANT it..
I just realized something… talking about Buggy and Shanks, their last names have never been revealed. Sure a lot of characters share the same fate, for example pretty much everybody luffy faced in east blue. But Buggy and Shanks have gone beyond just a couple of characters to being quite regular recurring ones. Doesn`t this strike as odd to you guys?
No. We don't have full names for a bunch of Straw Hats. Nami. Brook. Usopp. Sanji.
and nami wont ever have one because no one knows her real parents
This ties into my theory that Shanks has full knowledge of One Piece and has been simply waiting for Luffy to come to get it. When Whitebeard spoke of Roger waiting for a specific kind of man to Blackbeard, I thought that Shanks could be the inheritor of Roger's will in that regard. Roger couldn't directly accomplish his dream (the destruction of the world government, or whatever it may end up being) due to his illness so he sparked the Great Pirate Age to try and lead someone like himself to take over the task after his death. I think Shanks can't do it because he isn't a "D" and whatever it is might require that. So he set out on the seas in search of the "D" who would be able to carry out Roger's final will. This might have been where he first confronted Blackbeard and got that scar.
Eventually, he found Luffy and, secure in the knowledge that he found the main Roger was waiting for, returned to the New World to wait for him and make sure things wouldn't be stacked too far against him with the other Four Emperors and such. Maybe even acting as a guardian to Raftel, trying to prevent other pirate crews from getting to it or uncovering the secret behind it.
So for me, I believe that Shanks and Buggy do have full knowledge of it. But whatever it is isn't that valuable monetarily for Buggy to be interested in and Shanks himself is either incapable or feels unworthy of using it and is waiting for Luffy to show up.
Roger never said it was on Raftel. I think of it as his little inside joke. There most likely is something magnificent, if not many magnificent things, at Raftel. Is it the thing Roger was referring to… Probably not.
From what we know Roger probably considered Rogue more valuable than treasure and adventures if he choose to spend his last dying days with her. And Oda has already used themes of placing sentimental values higher than material possessions for a good portion of his characters. So I think he would pull a "One Piece is Rogers Wife and Son". Though I bet One Piece will always be an ambiguous treasure that Oda won't ever define.
the destruction of the world government, or whatever it may end up being
What I know thats Dragons damm dream!
Gurararararararaaa!
Roger never said it was on Raftel. I think of it as his little inside joke. There most likely is something magnificent, if not many magnificent things, at Raftel. Is it the thing Roger was referring to… Probably not.
From what we know Roger probably considered Rogue more valuable than treasure and adventures if he choose to spend his last dying days with her. And Oda has already used themes of placing sentimental values higher than material possessions for a good portion of his characters. So I think he would pull a "One Piece is Rogers Wife and Son". Though I bet One Piece will always be an ambiguous treasure that Oda won't ever define.
I think the key's on Raftel because, i remember when Roger was about to die, he asked Whitebeard whether he wanted to know how to find Raftel, he wouldn't ask this if Raftel wasn't important.
Though, One Piece could be an ambiguous treasure, but, it wouldn't be original.
If buggy knows then this presents a problem. Shanks and Rayleigh are strong enough to take care of themselves. But now that the world government saw Buggy and knows he was on Roger's ship and he may know everything they might want to kill him. So Buggy might be in some trouble right now hmmmm.
If buggy knows then this presents a problem. Shanks and Rayleigh are strong enough to take care of themselves. But now that the world government saw Buggy and knows he was on Roger's ship and he may know everything they might want to kill him. So Buggy might be in some trouble right now hmmmm.
Or they will keep him under their watch, or Bribe him, with Status or gold.
They did contact him before timeskip.
We know buggy wont die or something and we know he will play a major role in the future. so most likely his working for the government as a pirate
Though I bet One Piece will always be an ambiguous treasure that Oda won't ever define.
Even though it's killing me and I want to know what One Piece is exactly, I think it's kind of a good idea to keep it ambiguous (unless Oda has something really amazing up his sleeve, which he normally has, that would satisfy the curiosity build up on what is One Piece). I'd love to know what One Piece is, I'm just scared that it will turn out to be something like "the journey you had with your nakama is the treasure" type of thing.
Rayleigh talked to Robin about the Poneglyphs.
He said that they knew what happened to the world in the VC, but they didn't have the kowledge to do something with it.what I mean by this is that Shanks was probably on the ship, and knows what One Piece and the Poneglyph contain, but he knows that they've had their chance and they wasted it. Shanks is not meant to be the one to find one piece, he knows that.
So he wants to bet on the next generation to find it and do something with it.
I know that he talked about the Poneglyph but he never mention they don't have enough knowledge to do something with one piece?
@MLG:
I know that he talked about the Poneglyph but he never mention they don't have enough knowledge to do something with one piece?
Rayleigh quote:
"I could tell you everything right here. But as you are now, you wouldn't be able to do a thing. No, you take your time to see the world. And then, when you reach the end of it, you might come to a different conclusion than we did. We, and the people of O'hara, might have been too hasty."
sounds to me like they found out what happened, but didn't understand it in a way that they could do anything with it.
Rayleigh quote:
"I could tell you everything right here. But as you are now, you wouldn't be able to do a thing. No, you take your time to see the world. And then, when you reach the end of it, you might come to a different conclusion than we did. We, and the people of O'hara, might have been too hasty."
sounds to me like they found out what happened, but didn't understand it in a way that they could do anything with it.
I was going to answer this as well - But I think you will find MLG is looking for a specific reference to them not having enough "Knowledge".
Personal opinions should be stated as such or people will demand citation which if turns out to be just personal opinion or a guess as to what is implied people may not be happy.
I think it more implies that Roger and his crew at knowing the truth decided that the status quo was more preferable then to collapsing the WG. What seems to be implied is when Luffy faces the decisions that Roger faced it will be a very important choice he must make.
Will he walk away leaving everything the same or will he shatter the world with the revelations on the Rio Ponyglyph(spelling)
We still don't know what One Piece is of course, but to me, Rayleigh seems to be talking about those historical things to Robin but not saying that they don't know what to do with One Piece? That's just my thoughts, because in Rayleigh's quote, It isn't really a direct message of telling us that they don't know what to do with One Piece. So, I was pretty shock when you say it confirmatively that they didn't know what to do with One Piece. It may confuse some people.. right?
If you point it out as a suggestion, I would actually consider it ,because it actually sounds like a good point on what Rayleigh's talking about, but anyway I'm not really into guessing, I'd like to wait to see what happens next =p(I definetly does not want to die before One piece ends!!!!)
@MLG:
We still don't know what One Piece is of course, but to me, Rayleigh seems to be talking about those historical things to Robin but not saying that they don't know what to do with One Piece? That's just my thoughts, because in Rayleigh's quote, It isn't really a direct message of telling us that they don't know what to do with One Piece. So, I was pretty shock when you say it confirmatively that they didn't know what to do with One Piece. It may confuse some people.. right?
If you point it out as a suggestion, I would actually consider it ,because it actually sounds like a good point on what Rayleigh's talking about, but anyway I'm not really into guessing, I'd like to wait to see what happens next =p(I definetly does not want to die before One piece ends!!!!)
Rayleigh didn't talk about One Piece at all. And if Oda's drawing style is anything close to real humans natural responses – Ray's reaction to the question and Luffy's answer points more towards that OP doesn't exist.
Rayleigh didn't talk about One Piece at all. And if Oda's drawing style is anything close to real humans natural responses – Ray's reaction to the question and Luffy's answer points more towards that OP doesn't exist.
Yup I actually think the same like you, it's just Evowarrior seems to be saying that Rayleigh was talking about One Piece that makes me really confused lol
@MLG:
Yup I actually think the same like you, it's just Evowarrior seems to be saying that Rayleigh was talking about One Piece that makes me really confused lol
If One Piece doesn't exist than why did Roger say it does on his execution, just simply to stir everything up, I don't really like that theory. So sorry not buying it.
If One Piece doesn't exist than why did Roger say it does on his execution, just simply to stir everything up, I don't really like that theory. So sorry not buying it.
=.=" Of course it was to stir everyone up. It's all but confirmed now that he wants a great man to find the poneglyph and do something about the problems with the world as it is.
It's not that one piece doesn't exist, per se, we're saying that there is no treasure in the form of gold and such on Raftel.
=.=" Of course it was to stir everyone up. It's all but confirmed now that he wants a great man to find the poneglyph and do something about the problems with the world as it is.
It's not that one piece doesn't exist, per se, we're saying that there is no treasure in the form of gold and such on Raftel.
Yeah that's what I thought about the previous comments and I agree with that. I don't think it's an actual treasure(like gold and jewels)…
but then it was like someone was just saying that it just simply never existed!
Yeah that's what I thought about the previous comments and I agree with that. I don't think it's an actual treasure(like gold and jewels)…
but then it was like someone was just saying that it just simply never existed!
I did not say it doesn't exist, my posts were talking about Evowarrior saying that Rayleigh was actually talking about One piece but I assume he wasn't talking about it.
Since Whitebeard confirmed it One Piece must exist somewhere and I do think that part of it is indeed just treasure. But there must be other aspects to it than just gold. The Rio Poneglyph is probably there and maybe other mystic objects. For example a map how to find All Blue, the key to the origin of DFs or other stuff we can just dream about.
Oda named his manga after it so I'm optimistic that it will be something mind-blowing.
It's all but confirmed now that he wants a great man to find the poneglyph
I'm sorry to say, but no, don't think so.
It's not all but confirmed, if you've read the previous posts few say that One Piece is the Rio Poneglyph (If that's what you are implying)
And back to topic,do Buggy and Shanks know? Double yes.
Then why isn't Buggy going after One Piece? Of course he is. I think he said in an early chapter that he wants to be Pirate King. That was shortly after everyone Luffy met so far already got the message that he's looking for One Piece because it makes him just that. So when Buggy said he wants every treasure and wants to be Pirate King he doesn't need to state that this means going after OP as well because everybody who followed the series to that point knew. Of course, now people are picking every sentence to pieces in search of clues but it wasn't so back then. Oda likes adding twists as in when Luffy said to Sanji that Grandline (first half) is called a paradise and much much later we get to know why, why would he turn everything around just to give us an imaginery "HA! AND YOU BELIEVED THEY'D NEED ONE PIECE FOR IT!"
Some say that it's weird that Buggy didn't make a big deal out of it, but it happened while he was still young. Just as a lot of things happened to Luffy that he doesn't pay much attention to, Buggy may not think that he's ready to take off for One Piece just because he was on the crew who hid it. It just doesn't matter because it was everyone else who did large parts of the fighting, and navigating etc. I think he also didn't know how to go about his plans, he had too many ambitions and didn't give serious thought to any of it. I even doubt he means to go through with his plan to become Pirate King, with the little he did for it to come true. Maybe he just assumed it would be great as he already had some key info on that. Of course now he just has to go with the flow, as the pirates from Impel Down see him as a messiah of some sort, which he undoubtedly will.
Now for Shanks, I wouldn't be surprised by anything. Even if it came out he made weekly trips to Raftel only to see if everything is still in place for Luffy.
To be serious, I think we all know he is right now waiting for him.
Some brought up Rayleigh and One Piece and here are my ideas. One Piece isn't related to the Rio Poneglyph. Rayleigh was talking about each at another time. Either Oda wanted to imply that only Roger hid it (without the crew) or any kind of response from Rayleigh would have lead to implications at the true nature of One Piece so Oda avoided it altogether. And even if Roger hid One Piece by himself it doesn't mean the others didn't know what it was but certainly the whole crew went to Raftel.
To MLG and Exes Halo:
Actually, I believe the Rio Poneglyph IS a part of One Piece.
Remember Roger's message on Skypiea:
I've gathered all the Poneglyphs, and taken 'em to the end of this world!
We all know that Raftel is the end of the world, right?
And Raftel is supposed to hold the One Piece (I know that's not confirmed, but PLEASE ppl! isn't that pretty much obvious?).
So imo it's pretty clear that the RP is either a part of, or the One Piece itself.
And I think it's a part of it.
I've already said this before, but in Buggy's opinion, the only real treasures in the world are Gold and Silver, right?
And he's also aiming to eventually claim the One Piece.
nuff said.
To MLG and Exes Halo:
Actually, I believe the Rio Poneglyph IS a part of One Piece.
Remember Roger's message on Skypiea:I've gathered all the Poneglyphs, and taken 'em to the end of this world!
We all know that Raftel is the end of the world, right?
And Raftel is supposed to hold the One Piece (I know that's not confirmed, but PLEASE ppl! isn't that pretty much obvious?).
So imo it's pretty clear that the RP is either a part of, or the One Piece itself.
And I think it's a part of it.
I've already said this before, but in Buggy's opinion, the only real treasures in the world are Gold and Silver, right?
And he's also aiming to eventually claim the One Piece.nuff said.
well if it's opinion, its all good cause I was really confused when you confirmed everything that Oda didn't actually announce it yet lol. I think before you saying some reliable source, make sure that it is confirmed by Oda sensei first =p
@Exes:
It's not all but confirmed, if you've read the previous posts few say that One Piece is the Rio Poneglyph (If that's what you are implying)
I am NOT saying that the Rio Poneglyph is necessarily all that is at Raftel.
I AM saying that it is blatantly obvious that Roger started the great pirate era at least partially in order to see if the world government can be brought to an end, via the message of the True History.
Wasn't there a HUGE hint by Buggy in the early chapters? IIRC, he said, he wasn't able to collect any treasure within the sea, thus he claims all the treasure on land.
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From ch.17
Buggy: STOP CLOWNING AROUND!!! YOU FLASHY MORON!!!!
YOU, Pirate King?! What does that make me, GOD?!!
The only one who's takin' all the world's treasure is ME!! Wake up and quit dreaming!!!
and from Ch.19
Luffy: Wow, so Shanks saved you?
Buggy: That's not my point!!!
Thanks to him, my life plan was instantly set back for another 10 years!!!Buggy: And I've bounced back!! The sea may be off limits, but all the treasure above the sea will be mine!!!
Using these Bara Bara powers!!
Therefore anyone who lays a hand on my treasure…
No matter how pitiful or disgraceful...!
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So, having eaten the DF, his plan to get all the treasure in the world was set back for 10 years: Could the One Piece be hidden somewhere in Davy Jones' Locker? So, it wouldn't really matter if Pirates searched for it in the New World, even on Redline and the Sky Islands…
I am NOT saying that the Rio Poneglyph is necessarily all that is at Raftel.
I AM saying that it is blatantly obvious that Roger started the great pirate era at least partially in order to see if the world government can be brought to an end, via the message of the True History.
But Hikari, I think that assumption was made a questionable one when Rayleigh told Robin that the crew ought to see the world first, then find the information on the RP and the one piece, and suggested that the Roger Crew and the O'Hara scholars were perhaps hasty. It could mean that they were too early to accomplish what was necessary, or it could mean that the information there would change your opinion about the WG and all that has transpired since the VC. (Does that make sense?)
I think if Roger wanted to end the World Government, he could have done it while he was alive.
Offtopic, yes, but why can they, when they have all sorts of internal conflicts going on, ever have the upper hand against the pirate crews? The only thing that comes to my mind is that no pirate cared. If they wanted to overthrow something, that would submit them to a cause and rob them of their freedom. I don't think any captain said "Remember how they'll always send their ships after us? Let's go raid their HQ then!" I wonder why. @HikaruYami, Roger wouldn't do things like that, would he?? Masterplanning, I mean. I don't want to change you're view but maybe you'll agree on second thought that he just KNEW it would happen and wasn't giving a damn about it.
I just hope it had a deeper meaning, the age of pirates. Of course Luffy is going to bring the WG down, but I like to think that Luffy => Pirate King and Luffy vs. WG are two different matters.
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Sometimes Luffy acts 20 percent Shanks or 10 percent Roger (I'll say at least 1% of each non-stop for the strawhat) and the balance between those and the moments fully accounting for him is what makes this good.
PS: Rayleigh meant that they would be overwhelmed by the sheer amount of information it would disclose to them. @ I survived the buster call ~ Feel free to PM me to talk more about this or point me to some other topic. My guess is that that final knowledge left them as dispirited and awkward as those pirates that first entered Grand Line and got back not being themselves anymore. It's less a physical barrier (real ones like "time" or "perception of history") and more of a mental: I can only imagine what is going on but either they were just one stretch away from accomplishing something and couldn't or the only reasonable thing to do was going on with their lives as usual because the severity of the new situation they found themselves in ended up breaking them. Have to wait till Bronze shows up. Till now, all former Roger pirates seem to have a rather pessimistic opinion on future events, no? Shanks "in 10 years" can be an indicator too. Did he want Luffy to stay till he was in an age Shanks would deem "safe"? On top of that he talks about past times in a "never-gonna-be-the-same-again" fashion or is that only me overanalysing? PPS:Noticed -.- thats just one epileptic tree piling up on another. Hey, maybe that's the solution? They couldn't see the forest for the trees. Just joking. I'm fairly sure they weren't fangirling over it like I did right now.
I think if Roger wanted to end the World Government, he could have done it while he was alive.
Yeah, but we can't forget that Roger turned himself in because he was sick… like badly.
Don't tell me the location of One Piece. Because, if you do, I will give up on being the Pirate King.
–Luffy
Have patience, young cricket, One Piece shall come in it's own time.
Yeah, but we can't forget that Roger turned himself in because he was sick… like badly.
Only for a few years. He was already a famous enough Rookie to have pirates from Grand Line take notice of him half a century ago.
And Whitebeard, whom Gol fought equally with, was practically brain dead when he still moved, talked and attacked. This kind of surpasses Störtebeckers move.
@Exes:
I think if Roger wanted to end the World Government, he could have done it while he was alive.
Ummm…. No.
Roger could not have won against the government if he tried.
He was dieing and also cause the crew Saw the end in their journey.
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He Created the pirate era, in order for The world to figure out the truth themselves than having a single pirate crew trying to convince the world of the truth that the world governments hiding.
Also Luffy is going to defeat the World government but not bring it down as in completely destroy it.
Ummm…. No.
Roger could not have won against the government if he tried.
He was dieing and also cause the crew Saw the end in their journey.
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Also Luffy is going to defeat the World government but not bring it down as in completely destroy it.
ive always thought that if roger intended to bring down the government, he'd have ended up like dragon. i think that like luffy, he just wanted to live a one piece pirates life; one of freedom, and in death to live it through the next generatation of pirates. if the truth of the void century was hidden in raftel, i have trouble imagining roger leaving it there with the intention of raising a revolutionary hero.
I have always had the thought in my mind that Luffy will die at the end of the series, possibly by turning himself in, like roger.
But if he does that, it will mean that he has not been able to change the government, which would suck.
But it still seems so cool for him to die at the end of the series.
But if that won't happen at the hand of the government, then how WILL he die?
Everything's way to vague to clearly see what's gonna be the ending of the series till it really happens. Way to go, Oda!
(wow, we're actually going off-topic here)
Luffy will never die! Luffy is immortal!!!
If we're talking symbolism answers, maybe One Piece is their journey, or lives being enriched by it and the people they've met on the way.
I think at the end Coby will be Admiral, and because he and Luffy are "friends" there will be peace between marines and pirates, they will both keep on existing but not interfering with one another. Maybe.
But more on topic: When did Roger hide One Piece? Before he fell sick, or after? I'm guessing after, and maybe he had somebody do it for him.