Do Buggy and Shanks know about Raftel and One Piece?

[Slagsdale]

If those two traveled with Gol D. Roger's crew and are still alive today, is it assumed that they traveled to Raftel? Would they know the location of Roger's treasure?

I mean, Shanks as a Peace Main pirate doesn't seem all that interested in the treasure, but what about Buggy?

Is there an Eternal Post for Raftel, and has it been said who has it?

Is it just sort of like starting a new RPG video game? Even if the character had all this amazing background, his starting gear/exp is still level 1?

What gives?

[MLG]

I think the treasure "onepiece" might not be gold and stuff .. cause I think if they are, Buggy would've go get them long time ago( If Shanks and Buggy knows the location of onepiece) or in another situation is that, someone else got them already ( Probably not i guess) well It's all just my thoughts, nothing to be serious on

[DaeJi]

My thinking is that Roger may have only gone to Raftel with a select group of his crew, and may have hidden One Piece on his own. As for knowing where it is, technically everyone knows where Raftel is; it's the last island on the Grand Line and all paths lead to it. The probably is getting past everyone else to get to it.

[FireFistAce 0]

I'm pretty sure they do. Buggy has never shown an interest in One Piece, either. Just in every other treasure. That's my main reason for thinking that One PIece isn't something material. Either that, or Buggy actually respects Roger enough to leave his treasure alone.

[CCC]

I was always under the impression that Shanks and Buggy left the crew to form their own respective ones before Roger reached Raftel and long before he disbanded and turned himself in. I say this because in the one Shanks/Buggy flashback that we have, they're already talking about their dreams for the post-Roger-crew parts of their lives.

Then there's the fact that everyone went all omgwtf when they met Rayleigh, especially over the fact that he knew about Raftel/OP/Lost History. Granted, Luffy would never have asked Shanks or Buggy about any of those things, but the impression I got is that Rayleigh (and Crocus) are the only [old] men left who would be able to reminisce about Raftel.

Counterpoints to my opinion that I acknowledge:
-Why on earth would they willingly leave the greatest pirate crew in history before it was forcefully disbanded?
-Neither Usopp nor Robin have met Shanks or Buggy, so there was no one to frantically ask/wonder about OP/Lost History while being around them (again, Luffy never would).

If there's some concrete piece of evidence which blows my theory out of the water then I will certainly feel silly.

[DaeJi]

We actually don't know if Rayleigh knows what One Piece. Usopp asked him, sure, but he never answered. He may have no idea what One Piece could be.

[Fury283]

@CCC

I thought they talked about the whole crew thing on the day OF Rogers Execution.

In any case… I really havent thought about the whole if they know that kinda thing. I does make me wonder....

[s2em]

Shanks does not seem really interested in OP, just as Rufy is. they just wanna have as many adventures as possible.
I think that Bugy, having been on Raftel with Roger, knows what kind of dangers there are to reach that treasure, and knowing that he won't be able to reach it, he prefers to look for some other, just like the one he's looking for.

[SFMF]

I think Buggy and Shanks went to Raftel along with Roger. It is only my theory but I think One Piece is a name of an ancient country and they used poneglyph is the language that they've used. Also, I believe that the name D means that they are the descendants of the country One Piece. Raftel is actually 'rough tale' so I thought of this a while ago. I think Shanks and Buggy know everything about Raftel and One Piece as every Roger pirate member does.

We only know that Buggy and Shanks were on Roger's boat, and that's about it. We don't know other details.

EDIT: I don't think this thread deserves a thread. It will be closed soon. byebye

[Ivotas]

It's not necessary for an entire crew to know where exactly its captain has hid his treasure (or for this special case what it is actually). It might aswell be that just a hand full of the most trusted people know of it.

A prominent example of another pirate story would be found in Robert L. Stevensons "Treasure Island" where for instance John Silver also didn't know where exactly his former Captain Flint hid his treasure. And I think the same is the case here as far as Shanks and Buggy are concerned.

[wolfwood]

Dunno about the void century and all that, but since i think one piece is something that was very important to Roger i'd assume that both of them atleast has a clue to what it is.

And since Buggy doesnt seem to care about it we could suppose that it's not something that glimmers.

[SabZ]

Roger could have gone to Raftel alone, yet I think Roger wouldn't just halt his crew at the last step. They travelled together to the end. Just makes me think why Shanks isn't going after the PK title and neither is Buggy. You'd think they have the advantage knowing where Raftel is. Buggy or Shanks haven't mentioned it, so they either haven't been there, forgotten about it or know there's a special way to get in and they can't do it at the present time.

And what wolfwood said about Buggy not caring, it's a decent point. Buggy was on that crew, so he must've seen the amazing treasure (coins and jewels) on the ship, so why isn't he after it? Because One Piece isn't coins and jewels.

[Ivotas]

It should have been clear since finding Rogers bells on a gigantic golden belfry that One Piece can't be (just) gold and jewels.

[IrishLuigi]

I thought Buggy said his dream was to get all the great treasures in the world, inculding the One Piece?

[MmmBug]

Buggy still wants One piece, he still wants to be the Pirate King.

He just believed it would be a waste of time since he thought he wasn't strong enough until now that is. ^^;

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/549/14/

I wonder what Buggy's bounty is going to skyrocket to after this war is over.

[wolfwood]

Meh somehow i think his dream of owning everything that glimmers in the world takes precedence to him seizing a once in a million opportunity to go for the top. If given a choice betwenn the two he'd probably go for the gold.

[SabZ]

If Buggy knew where Raftel was and One Piece was a huge amount of gold, he'd be a lot more ambitious on getting over to the NW and retrieving the gold. Or maybe he knows he's just gonna get his ass kicked by the Whitebeards and Kaidous of the NW.

[Slagsdale]

Well, I guess knowing the location of Raftel isn't that big of a deal, but certainly knowing what to expect on the islands of the New World would be an advantage. It really makes me wonder what happened to Buggy that he ended up stuck in East Blue for awhile. I'd think that with just the experience of the NW, Buggy could either Sell Information and make a much better profit than by common piracy, or he could secure a position as a member of a strong pirate crew looking to enter the NW, perhaps one of the Supernovas… I mean clearly, megalomania aside, something must've happened which would hinder Buggy from advancing himself until current events.

Perhaps the Roger Pirates made some sort of pact not to reveal secrets of their journies to others???

[GanonBR]

Could anyone confirm if Roger was executed shortly after he conquered the Grand Line?

I, personally, think not. Therefore, it's possible that Buggy and Shanks joined his crew after he was Pirate King. So they never went to Raftel.

[Vanessa]

Roger disbanded the crew shortly after conquering the Grand Line so that's impossible. Besides he was executed a year after making it to Raftel, and most of that time in-between was spent with Rogue by what we were told during the little flashback concerning her pregnancy tying in with Ace's lineage.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Shanks and Buggy managed to join as apprentices in time for the Roger Pirates' last voyage. That took three years so they were a part of the crew for at least that long; they were probably have been to Raftel and know what One Piece is exactly.

[Elastic_Swindler]

@$abZ:

Buggy or Shanks haven't mentioned it, so they either haven't been there, forgotten about it or know there's a special way to get in and they can't do it at the present time.

HAKI !

(16 letters of doom)

[Maki707]

I think there is a good chance they know what and where one piece is but the problem is that they can't get to Raftel because of the warring yonkou's and marine blockade. They need a stronger crew.
I'd say there is some other reason the pirates can't get to Raftel that has'nt been shown yet.

[Sanigo]

I think the One Piece is a poneglyph so to me it makes sense for Buggy not to be interested.

[Angel emfrbl]

It could be they know what it is, but don't know that is what OP is? They may have thrown it off as unimportant or insignicant at the time.

[netro]

Isn't it said that Shanks and Buggy are just apprentices in Roger's ship? I don't know what the original Japanese words are so forgive me if the scanlators mistranslated it or something. With this, it seems there is a hierarchy in Roger's crew. He obviously has an inner circle of nakamas, all of which have seen what's in the end. Rayleigh said "they" seen it. The problem there is that we don't know if Rayleigh was just referring to that inner circle of nakamas or the entire crew. I guess there's not much clue right now on whether Shanks and Buggy have actually seen it.

[juju14]

I think if Buggy knew, he would of told someone by now. I think only 2nd in command new.

[kirei_lanford]

they must know about one piece… but it's something that they can never hold in their palm.. now, what can that be??

ill stick with my believe that one piece is a secret key to unite all the pirates in order to defeat the WG

[IrishLuigi]

@Sanigo:

I think the One Piece is a poneglyph so to me it makes sense for Buggy not to be interested.

I would expect more. It's not only about Robin…

[Kaze]

Me thinks they joined after their trip around the world.

[namimore]

I'm sure these two know about Raftel and One Piece, but I doubt they've been to Raftel or even seen One Piece. I think they became part of the crew long after Roger's ship traveled around the world and stashed One Piece on Raftel.
The reason I believe that is because of their age. According the SBS Shanks should be around 37 (since Oda said he was around 27 years old 10 years ago), so he would of been about 15 when Roger was executed. I'm assuming Buggy was the same age. I doubt they were part of the world's most notorious pirate crew for very long. But I guess I'm basing this theory around the assumption that Roger hid his most precious treasure long before he broke the crew apart and turned himself in to the WG.

[MmmBug]

Buggy told me personally on my ipod he knows exactly what one piece is but doesn't tell anyone else for the reason of why make more people want to get it and raise the competition.

[Vanessa]

@Kaze:

Me thinks they joined after their trip around the world.

@namimore:

I'm sure these two know about Raftel and One Piece, but I doubt they've been to Raftel or even seen One Piece. I think they became part of the crew long after Roger's ship traveled around the world and stashed One Piece on Raftel.
The reason I believe that is because of their age. According the SBS Shanks should be around 37 (since Oda said he was around 27 years old 10 years ago), so he would of been about 15 when Roger was executed. I'm assuming Buggy was the same age. I doubt they were part of the world's most notorious pirate crew for very long. But I guess I'm basing this theory around the assumption that Roger hid his most precious treasure long before he broke the crew apart and turned himself in to the WG.

Again, that can't be the case…

@Vanessa:

Roger disbanded the crew shortly after conquering the Grand Line so that's impossible. Besides he was executed a year after making it to Raftel, and most of that time in-between was spent with Rogue by what we were told during the little flashback concerning her pregnancy tying in with Ace's lineage.

[FireFistAce 0]

One Piece is a Black Hole Generator that can only be powered by the one who ate the Yami Yami no Mi. Roger was the last person to eat it, then he died. Now that Teach has it, Teach will activate it and fuse the world into "One Piece"… get it? That's why Buggy and Shanks won't touch it and why Rayleigh is called "The Dark King", because he and Roger built the Black Hole generator together.

... joking aside, as I said before, Buggy has a desire to be Pirate King, but he's never once expressed a desire for One Piece, instead desiring Captain John's treasure, among others. Despite what anyone says about "Having One Piece makes you Pirate King", Buggy has never directly expressed a desire to have it, so I seriously doubt it's anything of monetary value.

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@Fire Fist:

Buggy has a desire to be Pirate King, but he's never once expressed a desire for One Piece, instead desiring Captain John's treasure, among others. Despite what anyone says about "Having One Piece makes you Pirate King", Buggy has never directly expressed a desire to have it, so I seriously doubt it's anything of monetary value.

yeah, in my eyes that rly proves that OP is not a treasure..and buggy is not the type to reach his "freedom" like luffy does..he just wants to have lots of money and be a famous pirate..simple but fits for a pirate.

[Sea]

Well, maybe Roger's crew except Rayleigh didn't know he hid something called One Piece in Raftel until he was executed and said it out.

[*Meh*]

Nah.

Raftel is completely barren- on the surface anyway. To reach One Piece, you have to swim (or have someone who can swim carry you) through an underwater tunnel that leads to the center of the island. Or at least, it leads there if you don't make a wrong turn and end up in the Sea King nest. This is why neither Shanks nor Buggy are interested; Shanks wouldn't risk his crewmates' lives for a something like that, and Buggy is an "anchor" that wouldn't trust his own crew enough to send them.

[ABSMr.Prince]

After burying his treasure Gold Roger used his old friend the Haitian's (from heroes) abilities and erased Buggy and Shanks Memory.

He then reintroduced himself to them as Gol D. Roger

[AppleSauce]

@Fire Fist:

as I said before, Buggy has a desire to be Pirate King, but he's never once expressed a desire for One Piece, instead desiring Captain John's treasure, among others. Despite what anyone says about "Having One Piece makes you Pirate King", Buggy has never directly expressed a desire to have it, so I seriously doubt it's anything of monetary value.

Exactly this… and now that buggy received a letter from the world government, we can assume the WG is worried.

They have just recently released the news of Buggy being part of Rogers crew, which could be a problem for the world government not only by his new Strong mates but due to the knowledge he has of the Void Century and One piece.

Which brings us to believe that the government is seriously worried about Buggy's action and want to watch and monitor him.

and that could give a position in the World government.

[MasterKingJC]

THE DEAD LIVE!!!! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!
crashes out of window

[Aru]

I was always thinking about Rogers words "I left it all in One Piece". Is it something you can brake into pieces? Or maybe One Piece is a place and he left it all in this place?

One way or another - I still think that Buggy and Shanks didn't see OP. I think that Roger is the only one who saw it. You do remember that Whitebeard said to Teach, before he died "You are not him. You are not the D Roger was waiting for"? I'm almost 100% sure that only a D can aquire OP. That's why Roger was the only one from his crew to get One Piece. He might've tell a few people what the secret of this treasure is, but that's as far as they can get.

[dominycking]

@Aru:

I was always thinking about Rogers words "I left it all in One Piece". Is it something you can brake into pieces? Or maybe One Piece is a place and he left it all in this place?

One way or another - I still think that Buggy and Shanks didn't see OP. I think that Roger is the only one who saw it. You do remember that Whitebeard said to Teach, before he died "You are not him. You are not the D Roger was waiting for"? I'm almost 100% sure that only a D can aquire OP. That's why Roger was the only one from his crew to get One Piece. He might've tell a few people what the secret of this treasure is, but that's as far as they can get.

I don't think so. He offered to tell whitebeard. I don't think he would have offered to tell whitebeard unless he knew whitebeard can do it without the help of a D.

[Aru]

Yeah, but remember that Whitebeard wasn't then interested in One Piece. He started to show interest when he met Ace (who was a D), and wanted him to become the Pirate King.

[LightningAce]

@Aru:

Yeah, but remember that Whitebeard wasn't then interested in One Piece. He started to show interest when he met Ace (who was a D), and wanted him to become the Pirate King.

Yeah but that was only because he knew Ace was Roger's son, and Roger told him all about the Will of D & the lost history of the world…it woulda made logical sense to WB, that Roger's own son would be the one to rise to the Top of the new era, find One Piece and expose the history they have concealed etc

[EvoWarrior5]

Shanks was too busy with the fate of the world, and too concerned about Ace and Blackbeard to ever worry about finding One Piece. he is too great of a man to hunt treasure while the world is in danger.
Also, he probably knows about One Piece, but as Rayleigh said, they didn't have enough knowledge to do something with it.
I think that Shanks knows this, and is gonna bet all his fate on Luffy, and support him to defeat the WG as soon as the SH's have reached Raftel.
As for money, there is treasure in Raftel, but Buggy is just too scared to death to go into the New World with his current strength.

And IMO, Raftel is a Sky Island. I don't know why, it just seems so cool.
For the Straw Hats to reach Raftel (at least they think so), but then to discover there is nothing. Untill they notice that it's NOT Raftel, and then they have to ride another Knonk-Up Stream, but this time with the Sunny.

[MLG]

@EvoWarrior5:

but as Rayleigh said, they didn't have enough knowledge to do something with it.
.

I don't recall the fact that Rayleigh had ever mention that? Was it me or you that read on some wrong translation? or Is it just me who forget things. Please link me that part if it was ever published lol

[southwick]

i bet you that buggy will be the one who guides them to one piece

just seems pretty poetic how luffies first enemies in the series would help them at the end
and it makes sense seeing how if nobody has made it so far in the new world that all they were missing was someone in east blue

[Gallan]

I think that Buggy and Shanks may know the way to Raftel but the final resting spot of One Piece is made knowledgeable only to a few of the Pirate King's Crewmates including Rayleigh Perhaps something along the lines of a small search team to go into Raftel.

[Mugi-chan]

Even if Buggy knows and wants One Piece its not sure that he can get there. Its still Grand Line.

[killersteak]

@kirei_lanford:

ill stick with my believe that one piece is a secret key to unite all the pirates in order to defeat the WG

It's the key to the front gates of the Pirate Summit.

I think Gol Roger was as likely to keep treasure as Luffy is. Them being all similar and all.
There was a big theme early on with treasure being some object you care about, so it's probably something like that.

I like the idea that Buggy and Shanks respect Roger too much to go after it.

[peleihno]

I would say yes, though they might not have known the seriousness of reaching such a place beyond fulling exploring the GL. Theres really no reason to why they would not be allowed, of course there are those who say Roger left them behind since they were young.
But what do Shanks and Buggy care about Raftel beyond reaching it, for all we know they could know the true history.