There is no way that "Captain" Buggy is going to join someone else's crew. He didn't join with Shanks 22 years ago, he's not about to do it now.
Chapter 561 "Luffy vs Hawkeye" Discussion
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that maybe true but i still want to see the girl Horo Horo no Mi among others join the crew!!!!! maybe not the giant hercules' guy ussopp's with, but what 'bout some others?? and then im curious if they're gonna show up at htis battle at all or when they'll reunite
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Actually the bounties are tied directly to strength, though someone with a lesser bounty could beat someone with a higher bounty it is only because he is less known or hasn't done anything worth giving him a big bounty, notice the stronger a person is the higher their bounty seems to be, The WG gives bounties based on three things
1. Their danger to the WG.
2. The atrocities they have commited.
3. Their strength.wrong, if that were true luffy wouldn't of beaten Crocodile or Moria, Jinbei wouldn't have been able to fight Moria and Mr. 3 should have been able to beat Luffy because accroding to this line of thought he already beat a person "stronger" than Luffy.
A persons bounty is tied direclty to how much of threat the goverment sees them as, note Robin her bounty is 80 million not becasue she's super strong it's because she is the only surviver from Ohara.Are Enel or Lucci weak becasue they don't have bountys? you actully contirdict yourself by saying a person with a lower bounty can beat a higher bounty just becuase they just hadn't done anything worth noticing. A bounty is given fo preforoming illegal activitys not fo being strong.
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I adressed bounties at length just a couple pages ago. Luffy is NOT going to get an 800 million bounty, thats too far above and beyond all his contemporaries and gives no scale for going further as the series progresses. Despite all he's done, 500 mill seems the upper limit.
The highest bounties we've seen are Kidd's, Moria's, and Donflamingo's, at 315, 320, and 340. Thats covering a futue rival, and the Shuchibukai, who are the best of the best pirates. ANd even Croc and Boa had bonties in the 80 mill range.
Most of Luffy's bounty increase came from declaring war on the government, and having a full bountied crew, NOT from beating up Lucchi. (Though that was a factor.)
With everything Luffy has done, his bounty WILL rise, and it can jump to an unprecendented ammount, higher than anything we've seen before, but not by too much. He's ALREADY on the high tier bounty most wanted list, and he's already faced multiple Shichi and admirals. Raising his bounty isn't going to change his status much at this juncture.
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Pirates worth billions.
When Aokiji first showed up, in the scanlation currently on Onemanga, Usopp asked the question "Why is a marine admiral after small fry like us? He should be after the pirates worth billions!"
This is apparently a mistranslation, but it IS where the idea originates from that the highest level pirates are worth billions.
To those speculating how much Luffy's bounty will rise… Yes, secret Moria beating, Tenryubiito, ID, revealed brotherhood of Ace/son of Dragon, and now the war, are each and every one a reason to raise his bounty, plus whatever else he may do in the chapters to come. But here's the thing.
The HUGE increase after W7, came because he declared war on the goverment with his crew. Beating up Lucchi isn't what got him the raised bounty. It was a factor. But, burning the marine flag, and activley protecting Robin and Franky the two people who could someday unleash a super Ancient Weapon, plus having an entire crew of bountied individuals, are huge factors in that.
They already knew from his beating up Buggy, Arlong, Krieg and Crocadile that he was physically tough, but his challenging a Shichi in and of itself was only a 70 million increase, the first time he was shown capable and willing of fighting and defeating a shichi, even though they seemed aware that he wasn't doing that to go against the marines, but to go against Croc specificially.
He will get a bounty increase, theres no way for him not to at this juncture, especially with the Tenryubiito wanting him. But I don't think it will be as huge as some people are predicting, simply because
A) the rest of the crew could never catch up and
B) while he can get ahead of the other Supernova, they need to remain competative bounty wise, because
C) there needs to be room to grow for the remaining 8-10? years of the series and
D) Luffy's already on the most-wanted list and has already had the highest level guys (multiple shichi and multiple admirals) sent after him.We don't know what the high end yonkou and crew bounties are so we don't really know what the widest range is, but Luffy needs to stay in the "rookie" range for a while yet. Especially considering the highest bounty we've seen is Flamingo's at 340 million (frozen former bounty, but still the highest we've seen) If Luffy was about to get a ridiculous jump, then some of the other supernova should have been a bit higher and Kidd should have had a 400-500 million bounty instead of what, 315?
But no, all of Luffy's contemporaries, including Shichi and the highest revealed bounty so far, are between 100-340 million, and Hancock's is 80 and Croc's fomer was 81! The highest "speculative" bounty we've seen is Enel's 500 million, with his logia "destroy everything superiority complex" Luffy going beyond that is feasible, and a huge deal can be made about it. But despite all he's done, I can't see his going past 500 million, just simply due to what every other pirate in the series has been shown to have so far.
(On the other hand, their boat cost 300 mill and Caimie at auction was going to sell for 500 mill, so they aren't completley insane prices on things, but still…)
One possibility is going the Lone Wolf and Cub route... The Government raises his bounty to say, 500 million... and the Tenryubiito offer a BONUS reward of another 500,000,000. Thus skyrocketing Luffy's technical bounty, but keeping it within the realm of what we've seen so far and the actuallevel of threat he's percieved to be.
Another is that they suddenly unveil the "Top 10 most wanted lists", and we finally see what the upper tiers merit and exactly where Luffy really fits in the scheme of things, even after a huge increase.
Raising Luffy's bounty isn't going to get more/better competant bounty hunters after him, and its not going to indicate any more of a threat to the governement, they already want him pretty badly and he already got his massive increase after declaring war.
What it will do I think, is get Smoker the authority and backing he needs to put together an elite Strawhat hunting group like he wanted to do a while back.
Now, the "great Captain Buggy", 20 year schemer, companion of Yankou Shanks, mastermind of the Impel Down breakout, student of Gold Roger, Friend of Ace, battler of Mihawk, man with 200 strong followers (who are each and every one high bounty criminals in the 20-100 mill range, all surpassing his previous crew and even Buggy's own bounty) who has managed to stay under the radar till now... HIS increase should be really interesting to see. THAT might get a crazy jump simply due to the impression hes been a secret mastermind for 20 years and hey, this is pretty much HIS first official "declaration of war" on the goverment now.
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Pretty random but I think the amount that Luffy's bounty will become is mentioned in some form prior before it becomes that value. For example, 100 million was the amount Nami had to give Arlong for Cocoyashi Village. Then after the BW arc Luffy's bounty was 100 million, then later 300 million the amount of berries the Strawhats got for their Skypeian gold in W7, after Enies lobby Luffy's bounty is 300 million. So I think that Luffy's next bounty will be 500 million, the amount that Caimie was sold for and the minimum that the Strawhats would need to compete in bidding with Chalros. Afterwards I think some more of the larger bounties will be revealed to keep Luffy's in perspective.
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That's a neat little tidbit, HaxeyeMihawk. Could be a coincidence, but you could be right. Was there anything to do with 30 million before Luffy got his first bounty?
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Yonkus don't have bounties. Most high ranked pirates from NW, belonging to yonkus crews don't have bounties. WG and marines can't afford to put bounties on these guys, it would be a permanent declaration of war. Also, marines and WG don't rule the world in NW. Yonkus do. Most of the bounties are established before pirates arrive in NW, as long as they are in marines territory.
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Yonkus don't have bounties. Most high ranked pirates from NW, belonging to yonkus crews don't have bounties. WG and marines can't afford to put bounties on these guys, it would be a permanent declaration of war. Also, marines and WG don't rule the world in NW. Yonkus do. Most of the bounties are established before pirates arrive in NW, as long as they are in marines territory.
WTF? Where is the basis for Yonkou and their crew members not having bounties. Rockstar says hi.
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Adding on to this is that since 4 pirates rule a part of the world, it pretty much guarantees they are among the most wanted in the world (Dragon is of course said to have the highest bounty.).
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Wow, I don't know about Bounties…but maybe those youngco.s have over billion bounty values...After all, co.s do hold a lot of money and make a lot of money.
Anyway, why don't we focus much on the next upcoming chapter. Try to see if Buggy is hurt by that explosion. I think that either Luffy, Buggy or either Luffy and Buggy will save Ace. Who knows, they might be able to go into Hockey mode.
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Anyway, why don't we focus much on the next upcoming chapter. Try to see if Buggy is hurt by that explosion. I think that either Luffy, Buggy or either Luffy and Buggy will save Ace. Who knows, they might be able to go into Hockey mode.
Expect Viz to use that translation, everybody.
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Don't know if anyone mentioned it yet, but it seems only one of the three ships accompanying the Mobydick is stil functional. One of them was destroyed by Akainu, but the other one i don´t seem to recall being destroyed before.
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Bounty speculation is fun, and most ineresting is everyone elses bounty but Luffy's. I can't wait until the day when Usopp or Nami are considered Super Novas with 100 million or more. Though I imagine that would be the peak of their growth, but mabe not.
It's very clear how Usopp could get his bounty raised another 30+ million from putting Roswald in the hospital. Or if the Pink Paradise is a revolutionary kingdom and Sanji is seen as an associate to them. But then again, the fact that all the SH were involved with the Daragon folk, they could all get an increase. How awesome would it be for Sanji to get an increase from the shaboady incident as well as one for "joining" the revolutionaries? Which made his bounty slightly higher than Zoros? at least for a little while I think it would be awesome and make their rivalry so much more awesome to watch.
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How awesome would it be for Sanji to get an increase from the shaboady incident as well as one for "joining" the revolutionaries? Which made his bounty slightly higher than Zoros? at least for a little while I think it would be awesome and make their rivalry so much more awesome to watch.
It could be funny but that happening would just ruin the running joke between sanji and zoro that zoro is the recognised and famous fighter while sanji tends to be "Pirate A"
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I adressed bounties at length just a couple pages ago. Luffy is NOT going to get an 800 million bounty, thats too far above and beyond all his contemporaries and gives no scale for going further as the series progresses. Despite all he's done, 500 mill seems the upper limit.
The highest bounties we've seen are Kidd's, Moria's, and Donflamingo's, at 315, 320, and 340. Thats covering a futue rival, and the Shuchibukai, who are the best of the best pirates. ANd even Croc and Boa had bonties in the 80 mill range.
Most of Luffy's bounty increase came from declaring war on the government, and having a full bountied crew, NOT from beating up Lucchi. (Though that was a factor.)
With everything Luffy has done, his bounty WILL rise, and it can jump to an unprecendented ammount, higher than anything we've seen before, but not by too much. He's ALREADY on the high tier bounty most wanted list, and he's already faced multiple Shichi and admirals. Raising his bounty isn't going to change his status much at this juncture.
I kinda agree and disagree here. On the one hand your post makes a lot of sense and part of me agrees with it. On the other hand, I kinda feel you're missing an important aspect of bounties and that they consider threat levels not how strong pirates are and I don't see Luffy getting, let's say, 800 million a big deal because it's been long established that bounties mean shit in the One Piece world. The main issue that's nagging me is that, like I said already, bounties reflect threat level and that aspect of them really fits Luffy. There are who knows how many pirates far stronger than Luffy but Luffy's bounty should be higher than all of them because Luffy and only Luffy does such crazy shit. He attacks government facilities, is able to beat the most renowned pirates in the world due to his will power, shows no fear to World Government authority. My point is that I think an 800 million (the figure is still just an example) COULD work if it was handled in a certain way like the reason him getting it was because of his insanity rather than his strength being emphasized (and maybe some truly high-tier pirate bounties being revealed being in the billions or something like you said) or something of the sort. Mr. Oda could make it work, he's that talented and awesome with power scales.
Well, that's my opinion anyway ^o^
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Luffy will get a frozen bounty like those all mighty pirates..
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I think Luffy's bounty will be in fact to high for him, just like Buggy's, ofcourse not on the same level. I could see Luffy getting a bounty of say 800 million but still could get his ass kick by some new world pirate with a bounty of 600 million.
Also mentioning the Shichibukai's with bounty's around 300, I think those guys got a choice at that point to be Schichibukai or declined and get a bounty around 500 million. -
Luffy's bounty increase (if there are such things as bounties as we know them by the end of this war) depends on how Oda wants to handle how the rest of the world interacts with him. We've already seen that crazy rumors spread amongst townspeople in the first half of GL so how does he want to handle him in the New World? Does he want people to think of him as a small fry? Does he want Luffy's reputation to proceed the real deal?
I actually like the concept that he should have a bounty higher than he deserves but:
1. I don't think Oda would screw with his main character's bounty just for a few story threads when he knows what a viciously debated topic it is.
2. Whether he gets that kind of treatment or not totally depends on just how badly he messes up this war. The live coverage being gone is a shocker. Yes, the word about him being Dragon's son got out and I think that in and of itself is enough, but I was expecting Luffy to be on worldwide television, appearing to screw over society due to a misunderstanding. Now with the feed cut I don't know if that's possible but it could be restored by a party at a crucial moment to the same effect.
In the end, Oda won't dissappoint. But he also needs to be careful handling Luffy with respect to the Supernovas. YES bounty isn't a basis for strength. But if Luffy suddenly has a drastically increased bounty while the other Supernovas don't even appear to be in the proximity of doing something like fucking with a war that could determine 'justice' in the world, it would be something of a letdown if they clashed in the New World.
However…there's always the possibility that one or more of the Supernovas are behind some of the 'mysterious' events and they will find themselves involved in the war as well, allowing for bounty increases that wouldn't make Luffy appear to outclass them.
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My 2cents on bounties…
In the real world, a bounty represents how much a government is willing to pay mercenaries to capture a criminal. Taking this logic into the OP world, it only represents how badly the WG wants to capture somebody. You can be the strongest guy in the world and have a low or no bounty if you are completely law abiding or no threat to the government. Just look at the most wanted criminals in the real world. They are terrorists, pedophiles, scammers etc. Their bounty is much higher than the strongest boxer, UFC, wrestler, etc. in the world, but who is actually stronger?
Anyways, I just wanted to bring real world logic into this discussion. I'm sure the core principle of the bounty is the same in the OP world. From the pirate's perspective the bounty value has become an ego comparison of one's achievements in the pirate world and reflect all factors mentioned in most bounty discussion. Maybe with rookies they're concerned about their bounty value, but I'm sure when you get to a certain level, you really care less and may even be happier with a lower bounty level (i.e. like Rayleigh who chose a life to stay low key).
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Luffy will get a frozen bounty like those all mighty pirates..
An amount unknown to the world :ninja:What's the use in dealing out bounties when they are unknown to the world anyways?
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luffy is going to get a 1 billion bounty
its simple, he started with
30 million
100million
300 million
so then a billion would be right
i think zolo should get 900 million
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luffy is going to get a 1 billion bounty
its simple, he started with
30 million
100million
300 million
so then a billion would be right
i think zolo should get 900 million
Are you havin' a giraffe?!!!
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My 2cents on bounties…
In the real world, a bounty represents how much a government is willing to pay mercenaries to capture a criminal. Taking this logic into the OP world, it only represents how badly the WG wants to capture somebody. You can be the strongest guy in the world and have a low or no bounty if you are completely law abiding or no threat to the government. Just look at the most wanted criminals in the real world. They are terrorists, pedophiles, scammers etc. Their bounty is much higher than the strongest boxer, UFC, wrestler, etc. in the world, but who is actually stronger?
Anyways, I just wanted to bring real world logic into this discussion. I'm sure the core principle of the bounty is the same in the OP world. From the pirate's perspective the bounty value has become an ego comparison of one's achievements in the pirate world and reflect all factors mentioned in most bounty discussion. Maybe with rookies they're concerned about their bounty value, but I'm sure when you get to a certain level, you really care less and may even be happier with a lower bounty level (i.e. like Rayleigh who chose a life to stay low key).
A good example would be Robin when she was young.