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sabret00the

I've been thinking about this, he's comfortable with knives, he's actually the first KF member i recall holding a gun and willing to use it (against Robin) and ok that's as far as i can get, but it's basically he's a very generic character that's the closest on the crew to being the real thing as depicted in history.

loulou

But you know, he doesn't really have the "gruffness" of a typical pirate. And while pirates generally don't pay attention to their appearance and ravage women as they please, Sanji's the clean-cut gentleman.

I think each character has an element of "pirate-ness" in them. Zoro is the "gruff" type, and he loves booze. Nami loves to swindle.

Ivotas

Originally posted by sabret00the@Jul 1 2005, 02:04 PM
…he's actually the first KF member...
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:blink: He is the first what? :blink:

sabret00the

sorry meant Straw Hat's not KF, blame KF they warped my brain with all their purdy fansubs

It would be pretty hard to say any of the strawhats truly represent a real world pirate since piracy wasn't simply a European based action. Other cultures have had their own form of pirates also so really, none of the crewmembers truly be seen as having all the attributes of any real world pirate.

sabret00the

surely most of the attributes of a generic pirate is just that 'most of the tributes of a generic pirate' when we start to get overtly technical on terms threads get to four posts and die

Don't you mean "attributes?"

But anyway, I say none of the strawhat's really reflect all of the attributes of a generic pirate, especially Sanji since the generic type of pirate never wore suits much less do what Sanji does when it comes to the ladies.

It's highly possible I guess that this thread will die but not at four post.

sabret00the

What you talking about, ofcourse their were pirates who dressed up.

Roronoa Zolo

I actually believe tahy all have piraty fetures, but then again they don't that's what makes the SH Pirates so much different than anybody else. It's like this

Corect me if I'm wrong but,

Zoro: A love for drinking

Nami: A love for Stealing

Sanji: What sabret00the already said

Luffy: Good leadership (I guess… lets just go with that)

Ussop: Lies alot.

I guess if you combined them all together you would get a true pirate.

Originally posted by sabret00the@Jul 1 2005, 02:49 PM
What you talking about, ofcourse their were pirates who dressed up.
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I don't exactly member any of the generic pirates wearing a modern, western suit. Last time I checked colonial times weren't exactly the time period where the SUIT came out.

Ivotas

Originally posted by neodragzero+Jul 1 2005, 11:44 PM–>QUOTE(neodragzero @ Jul 1 2005, 11:44 PM)

game2005

But how many pirates do you know uses kicking as a way of fighting, and where can you find someone who can kick a large ship into the sky (Baratie) or a giant alligator (Rainbase)?

Usopp is more likely the realistic Pirate.

Would a pirate look a SEA KING in the eyes and NOT GET THE #@$% SCARED OUTTA HIM? Can a pirate lift a gigantic crocodile into the sky or not get hurt by bullets? Just look at the way Usopp is, Sanji is no pirate. He is a gentlemen and far as hell from a pirate.

sabret00the

_Originally posted by Ivotas+Jul 1 2005, 11:50 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jul 1 2005, 11:50 PM)

Originally posted by neodragzero@Jul 1 2005, 11:44 PM
**> Originally posted by sabret00the@Jul 1 2005, 02:49 PM

What you talking about, ofcourse their were pirates who dressed up.
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I don't exactly member any of the generic pirates wearing a modern, western suit. Last time I checked colonial times weren't exactly the time period where the SUIT came out.
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Darn you beat me to it. I wanted to say the exact same thing.
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you need to think about what a suit was to them back then? if someone dresses up for an occasion, it's dressing up, even if it's not your sorta dressing up, that's the joy of time and cultural differences.

@Jul 2 2005, 04:56 AM
But how many pirates do you know uses kicking as a way of fighting, and where can you find someone who can kick a large ship into the sky (Baratie) or a giant alligator (Rainbase)?
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let's not get stupid with my words, i said most realistic, not that he is the only realistic or is even realistic.

Ivotas

Originally posted by sabret00the+Jul 2 2005, 11:36 AM–>QUOTE(sabret00the @ Jul 2 2005, 11:36 AM) _> Originally posted by Ivotas@Jul 1 2005, 11:50 PM

**> Originally posted by neodragzero@Jul 1 2005, 11:44 PM

**What you talking about, ofcourse their were pirates who dressed up.
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I don't exactly member any of the generic pirates wearing a modern, western suit. Last time I checked colonial times weren't exactly the time period where the SUIT came out.
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Darn you beat me to it. I wanted to say the exact same thing.
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you need to think about what a suit was to them back then? if someone dresses up for an occasion, it's dressing up, even if it's not your sorta dressing up, that's the joy of time and cultural differences.

WeÂ´re talking specifically the suit that Sanji is wearing. And that kind of clothing didnÂ´t exist in colonial times, period. ThereÂ´s no room for questioning that since it is a given fact._

sabret00the

Originally posted by Ivotas+Jul 2 2005, 11:49 AM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jul 2 2005, 11:49 AM) _> Originally posted by sabret00the@Jul 2 2005, 11:36 AM

**> Originally posted by Ivotas@Jul 1 2005, 11:50 PM

**> Originally posted by neodragzero@Jul 1 2005, 11:44 PM

**What you talking about, ofcourse their were pirates who dressed up.
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I don't exactly member any of the generic pirates wearing a modern, western suit. Last time I checked colonial times weren't exactly the time period where the SUIT came out.
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Darn you beat me to it. I wanted to say the exact same thing.
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you need to think about what a suit was to them back then? if someone dresses up for an occasion, it's dressing up, even if it's not your sorta dressing up, that's the joy of time and cultural differences.**

WeÂ´re talking specifically the suit that Sanji is wearing. And that kind of clothing didnÂ´t exist in colonial times, period. ThereÂ´s no room for questioning that since it is a given fact.
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well given the real time of pirates, the suits that sanji wears would be considered the modern day equivalent.

this is a weak debating point, hence why i was careful with my words when i said "dressed up" as i didn't want to be drawn into an off-shoot argument of such insignificance.

Compared to most pirates in One Piece, Sanji dresses smartly, to say that no one dressed smartly back in the real pirate age is something neither you or i can say with certainty.

But getting back to the original topic once more, he's more of a generic pirate than the rest of the crew._

Ivotas

Originally posted by sabret00the@Jul 2 2005, 12:07 PM
Compared to most pirates in One Piece, Sanji dresses smartly, to say that no one dressed smartly back in the real pirate age is something neither you or i can say with certainty.

Now that makes much more sense. Dressing smartly is certainly a different thing then wearing a suit. Though I prefer the wording stylish over smartly. And in fact if we can believe the stories then there was even pirates who dressed "stylish". But at the same time there were pirates who dressed just as Usopp did. There were even pirates who were wearing just chains on their upper body.

But getting back to the original topic once more, he's more of a generic pirate than the rest of the crew.
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By what characteristic? Attitude or clothing. I think it should be clear that the pirates followed to dress code. Some were wearing "stylish" robes otherÂ´s were just wearing a bag. The clothing doesnÂ´t determine the pirate level of a character. ItÂ´s the attitude.
Besides, if we go by clothing, the it is actually Blackbeard who has the most generic pirate robe.

sabret00the

just for the record i never used the word suit, that was neodragzero, and i beleive the count in which i did use the word was but once in response to either/both neodragzero and yourself, i just assumed that you understood that dressing up is one in the same as dressing smart/stylish.

/me will respond to the argument properly later, i'm in a rush.

Ivotas

Originally posted by sabret00the@Jul 2 2005, 01:21 PM
just for the record i never used the word suit, that was neodragzero, and i beleive the count in which i did use the word was but once in response to either/both neodragzero and yourself, i just assumed that you understood that dressing up is one in the same as dressing smart/stylish.

DoesnÂ´t matter either way. WeÂ´ve already passed the suit argument. The weÂ´re already getting back to the topic itself and thatÂ´s "Is Sanji the most realistic pirate". Now just as I asked before, by what preferences do you go?

Do you go by appearance or attitude? If it is by attitude then thereÂ´s plenty much other characterÂ´s that are more realistic pirates then Sanji (Shanks, Luffy, Blackbeard for instance).
If you go by clothing, then just as I said Blackbeard is wearing the most generic pirate outfit. Other honorable mentions would be Bellamy, Gold Roger himself, any of the Shanks Pirates, Buggy and Usopp.

wolfwood

i would say that buggy is one of the OP pirates that most resembels a real life pirate,

his clothing is really piratelike and he acts just like a real pirate would all-round hes a realistic pirate except for his DF.

Redpirate

Do you go by appearance or attitude? If it is by attitude then thereÂ´s plenty much other characterÂ´s that are more realistic pirates then Sanji (Shanks, Luffy, Blackbeard for instance).
If you go by clothing, then just as I said Blackbeard is wearing the most generic pirate outfit. Other honorable mentions would be Bellamy, Gold Roger himself, any of the Shanks Pirates, Buggy and Usopp.

I agree with above statement. Sauve, sofisticated and thoughtful cooks were not typical
pirate candidates at any stage. I suspect Sanji would have stuck out like a sore thumb to the point where there would likely be at least one epic poem and possible a number of films about him (or any Sanji like person).
It's like saying James Bond would make a stereotypical pirate.
Um. No.
He makes a great and very interesting pirate but not a very historically accurate one.

Shylu

I've never seen any real-life pirates, but I know sailors, and most of them are gruff men (because of their all-male, harsh-weather working environment). In the most generic definition, pirates are just sailors who steal/smuggle/do other law-breaking stuffs. Sanji is too gentlemanly to be a generic, stereotypical pirate. Knives and guns do not a pirate make. Besides, for Sanji to use knives for fighting is not something he normally does. How can he be characterised by something he doesn't normally do? I sometimes go jogging, that doesn't make me a sports buff.

And if we're talking stereotypes in pop culture, pirates in Pirates of the Caribbean are stereotypes. And in OP, people like Shanks, Whitebeard (except the nurses) are closer to those stereotypes.

wintergt

I think the most typical pirate is the man himself, Gold Roger. (based on his bahavior in the flashback at the bar in loguetown) Another one that struck me as really authentic is Bellamy. A rough, violent, full-of-himself arrogant prick, that's what I imagine a pirate to have been, lol.

Shanks: too "boy-ish"
Buggy and the like: too goofy

wolfwood

so what did you expect real life pirates to be be mature

buggys to me buggy is one of the most piraty pirates,
he kills those who oppose him or fail him and all that he seeks in life is treasure and riches and on top of that he has no stupid sense of honor when he fights like other OP pirates plus he drinks alot like IRL pirates did :lol:

and then there is just the fact that his clothes are very pirate like.