Nothing to say, just that all is back to normal and ur pirates deliver!
Grab teh chapter from here ~ http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10543
Nothing to say, just that all is back to normal and ur pirates deliver!
Grab teh chapter from here ~ http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10543
Thanks you Franky House!
thank you very very much :)
10x a bunch :) Franky House!
That was fast, thx!
Thank you, great!
Thank you~ I enjoyed this chapter a lot~ :)
Hah, good chapter. Poor Kuma…:(
Thanks for the speedy speedscan!
Thx for the fast scan.. but really, Doflamingo to Crocodile "how about you and I hook up?" way to ruin such a cool moment :P
thank you very much !!!!!!!
Thank you for your super fast release.
"Zere"?…
Iva says "Zere" instead of "There" now?... What, the Accent is part French now?...
UUUUUUUUUUGH Bashes head on desk
Way to do a Shitty Job Franky House, Way to do a shitty job.
"Vou are lying to ve again! Kuma hated the Government!" This is how you translate Iva's speech quirk.
If you're so OBVIOUSLY BAD at accents that you mix a German and a French accent when you're trying to do a Russian one, you should just stop trying and do his ACTUAL SPEECH QUIRK CORRECTLY!!
EDIT: I realize this came out rude, and I'm sorry, but jeez guys, you're the fastest releasers of this manga, people get your releases first and therefore yours are the ones more people download. You should stop messing up Iva's speech and do it right, it's not hard.
"Vai would like to help vou rescue Ace, Ve will leave immediately" That's how you do it.
Frankly I'd rather we just skip the accents all together. It's incredibly distracting and… it doesn't even really make sense anymore. :blink:
Frankly I'd rather we just skip the accents all together. It's incredibly distracting and… it doesn't even really make sense anymore. :blink:
I mean, originally the argument was "Theres two words Iva does throw Vs into" so at least the Logic behind giving Iva a German accent made sense, even if the Logic was Flawed.
Now it's like they're just making the accent sillier and sillier for the specific point and purpose of making it sillier…
4ranky house, that's pretty clever, but don't you think you're making too big a deal out of this, putting it in your sig and all? The accent was less annoying than last chapter so it is an improvement.
There were actually a bunch of mistranslations, which is a bigger deal than an accent. Boa Hancock said "do as you like", while cnet and that guy from MH had her say "I will be forgiven", and they butchered two things Doflamingo said, about the bloodbath and "let's hook up".
Oh I know that, But 4kids weren't exactly known for stellar translation ability either.
And the accent is MORE annoying this chapter, last chapter Iva didn't replace "Th"s with "Z"s. "Zis is Vat Zat Zing is Zat is Really Annoying"
The "Th-Z" thing is charactaristic of a FRENCH Accent! W-V is characteristic of a German, and I have no Idea what accent "Eet Es a good day" is supposed to be.
It's like they're making the accent sillier and sillier for no reason other than to MAKE IT Sillier!
"Th-Z" thing is charactaristic of a russian accent. And don't tell me it's not, I'm russian myself. Well, V instead of W is pretty stupid and doesn't make sense, but Th-Z is hitting the bull's-eye.
Oh and way to go with that sig and all. I guess I should help guys translate it into cyrillic for purpose of making it sillier.
I just don't understand why Iva is given an accent IN THE FIRST PLACE!
It's Out of place, dumb, and reminiscent of 4kids.
I mean, originally the argument was "Theres two words Iva does throw Vs into" so at least the Logic behind giving Iva a German accent made sense, even if the Logic was Flawed.
Now it's like they're just making the accent sillier and sillier for the specific point and purpose of making it sillier…
I love it.
I have to agree with Rin on this one, they go too far with the accent.
I have been lurking this forum for years, but now I just had to create an account because I have a trophy to deliver. And this trophy goes to Demon Rin.
In all my years on the internet, on all the boards I have been on (active or passive), you, Demon Rin, are, by far, the most annoying person I have ever encountered. Ever! And that has to mean something when one can find massive hordes of annoying persons for example on Youtube right at everyone's fingertips. But you just conquer the crown of crowns.
It does not matter if it is a discussion about the usage of “nakama” or now about accents or about fanart or whatever. You are always there to proclaim your opinion. And do not get me wrong, it is good, that you have an opinion, everyone should have. But somehow you misunderstood Hamlet's concept about the “nutshell” and its implicated exclusivity. You seem to live under the delusion that the little bubble you exist in is the dominant way of exemplary existence for every other human being. Your opinion is dogma and being of different opinion is utter blasphemy. Countless discussions and you so often claimed that you will not say anything about the given topic any more just to reappear a few post below and continue your righteous havoc.
You do not like their work? Do not read or watch it. They do this for free, they put hard work and effort into it. But this string of thoughts has been brought up countless of times and you always chose to ignore it and this time it will very likely not be any different. The same goes for telling you about “constructive criticism” and presenting you with the label: “You're doing it wrong.” In through the left ear, out through the right ear. No reception in between.
You seem to have some kind of creative talent but again and again you use this “talent” to visually prove to everyone that you have an opinion and that this opinion is as universal as the second law of thermodynamics and all other persons are just plain wrong.
If Alexander Pope was still around I believe he had to rewrite his “Dunciad”. You either would dethrone Colley Cibber or he would even replace “Dullness” itself with “Demon Rin”.
For ten months I have worked in a kindergarten where also some of the children were physically and/or mentally retarded. But even there I have never witnessed such a primeval and basic need to express ones opinion above everything else.
So, larmoyant little girl, take your trophy and carry your head with pride, because this is a lifetime achievement award. Actually I am thinking of telling some people who study psychology at my university about this and maybe they will be interested in browsing through your posts and use them to conduct a case study and determine what syndrome(s) it is, that is making you behave in such a manner.
I really hope, for the people around you, that one day you will find enough acknowledgement in real life that you will not feel the need to force your opinions down the virtual throats of other internet users.
Well then, have a nice day, board bully.
And @ Franky-House: Thank You for making me able to read One Piece many months before the German version appears. You altruistic guys are great!
I have been lurking this forum for years, but now I just had to create an account because I have a trophy to deliver. And this trophy goes to Demon Rin.
In all my years on the internet, on all the boards I have been on (active or passive), you, Demon Rin, are, by far, the most annoying person I have ever encountered. Ever! And that has to mean something when one can find massive hordes of annoying persons for example on Youtube right at everyone's fingertips. But you just conquer the crown of crowns.
It does not matter if it is a discussion about the usage of “nakama” or now about accents or about fanart or whatever. You are always there to proclaim your opinion. And do not get me wrong, it is good, that you have an opinion, everyone should have. But somehow you misunderstood Hamlet's concept about the “nutshell” and its implicated exclusivity. You seem to live under the delusion that the little bubble you exist in is the dominant way of exemplary existence for every other human being. Your opinion is dogma and being of different opinion is utter blasphemy. Countless discussions and you so often claimed that you will not say anything about the given topic any more just to reappear a few post below and continue your righteous havoc.
You do not like their work? Do not read or watch it. They do this for free, they put hard work and effort into it. But this string of thoughts has been brought up countless of times and you always chose to ignore it and this time it will very likely not be any different. The same goes for telling you about “constructive criticism” and presenting you with the label: “You're doing it wrong.” In through the left ear, out through the right ear. No reception in between.
You seem to have some kind of creative talent but again and again you use this “talent” to visually prove to everyone that you have an opinion and that this opinion is as universal as the second law of thermodynamics and all other persons are just plain wrong.
If Alexander Pope was still around I believe he had to rewrite his “Dunciad”. You either would dethrone Colley Cibber or he would even replace “Dullness” itself with “Demon Rin”.
For ten months I have worked in a kindergarten where also some of the children were physically and/or mentally retarded. But even there I have never witnessed such a primeval and basic need to express ones opinion above everything else.
So, larmoyant little girl, take your trophy and carry your head with pride, because this is a lifetime achievement award. Actually I am thinking of telling some people who study psychology at my university about this and maybe they will be interested in browsing through your posts and use them to conduct a case study and determine what syndrome(s) it is, that is making you behave in such a manner.
I really hope, for the people around you, that one day you will find enough acknowledgement in real life that you will not feel the need to force your opinions down the virtual throats of other internet users.
Well then, have a nice day, board bully.And @ Franky-House: Thank You for making me able to read One Piece many months before the German version appears. You altruistic guys are great!
O_O
I think I'm gonna like you
…..Okay.......... Well, we all have opinions.
So… I'm being "told" by someone... about voicing my opinion on a forum (which I'm apparently not allowed to do) in a very opinionated, and long-winded way... by a guy who attacked me in a very opinionated... and long-winded way...
TRUST ME I'm not the most annoying person on the internet, BY FAR. There are far worse people to be had on this very board.
I only get up-in-arms over Nakama, and most recently this Random Accent. it just astounds me that a board full of people who complained to high-heaven about 4kids giving characters random cheesy accents, are for some reason absolutely fine with Franky House doing exactly the same thing.
But OUTSIDE of this debate, you might wana notice, I'm nowhere near this opinionated. I'm NOWHERE NEAR a "Board Bully", If I'm a board bully, there are people you'd probably call Hitler.
But you are right, I should just give up this thing with trying to get Franky House to cut out the 4kids theatrics because... like 4kids, they won't listen. I've tried to get them to stop pulling a 4kids with Iva for a while now, but they refuse to, in fact I think it's possible they might be making the accent more ridiculous specifically to spite me, although that's probably not the case.
Just a word of advice, next time you want to tell someone they're long-winded and pretentious, don't do it in a Long-winded and pretentious way. it just makes you look like a hypocrite.
Binktopia is changing w's to v's with Iva's accent "incorrectly" as well, so why only pick on Franky House like crazy and ignore the rest? Additionally, isn't this an issue with the translator more so than it is with the scanlation group in general? Finally, I think that people expect more with 4kids because they're doing it for profit.
I for one have never found Demon Rin annoying though I have found others here to be so
as for the accent it is over the top but I disagree with you on what the are doing is wrong. As far as i can figure out it is just the sound they are changing w's to v's and that is the same for both Japanese and english it is just that the words have different sounds
Watashi becomes vatashi but I to Vy makes no sense.
what to Vat does in the context
I for one have never found Demon Rin annoying though I have found others here to be so
as for the accent it is over the top but I disagree with you on what the are doing is wrong. As far as i can figure out it is just the sound they are changing w's to v's and that is the same for both Japanese and english it is just that the words have different sounds
Watashi becomes vatashi but I to Vy makes no sense.
what to Vat does in the context
but Anata also become Vanata in Japanese. Anata has no W in it, and Those two words are the ONLY words Oda does this with. if he were making it an accent, he would have made "Mugiwara", "Mugivara"
Vai instead of I, Vou instead of You etc etc gets the point across accurately and perfectly, and presents it exactly as the Japanese fans see it.
I was flat out ignored? Interesting. Now I'm even more curious why Binktopia gets a complete pass for this while FH gets attacked mercilessly.
I'm saying this as a neutral third party, for the record. I have no ties to either group.
I see now as by Japanese is very poor (if it exists at all) I just tried to remember what you had said on an earlier post.
though perhaps Oda is copying how the Japanese portray someone with a Russian or whatever it is accent speaking Japanese
I am not bothered by it as much as you perhaps because i do not read Japanese
and I really wish my space bar would work all the time lol
I was flat out ignored? Interesting. Now I'm even more curious why Binktopia gets a complete pass for this while FH gets attacked mercilessly.
I'm saying this as a neutral third party, for the record. I have no ties to either group.
Actually, I typed a response to what you said, but I must have reloaded the page and lost it. I read what you posted and took it to heart, Notice I changed my sig.
I was told by someone That Blinktopia didn't do it, I was misinformed. Still, Franky House are usually the first to release, so theirs spreads faster and wider than Blinktopia's does, but that's no reason I should be criticising just them.
I'm taking the fight to an ad-campaign in my sig and being done with it.
All right, seems I got your attention, but I have the feeling that you misunderstood or misinterpreted some words/sentences/points (sorry I do not know what exactly, even after rereading my wall of text I could not find this kind of statements).
So… I'm being "told" by someone... about voicing my opinion on a forum (which I'm apparently not allowed to do)
I never said that you are not allowed to have your opinion and to voice it. If I did, please show me the passage where I stated that and I will have no problem apologising for that, because as I much rather said you should have an opinion. It is the way in which you voice it, or rather force it upon other people. I fail to see the need to do that, you are not oppressed in your personal development or something of the likes by a fan-scanaltions group. Or are you? If you are please tell me where you live and I will try to move there myself because there has to be the greatest personal freedom on the planet.
I only get up-in-arms over Nakama, and most recently this Random Accent. it just astounds me that a board full of people who complained to high-heaven about 4kids giving characters random cheesy accents, are for some reason absolutely fine with Franky House doing exactly the same thing.
But you are right, I should just give up this thing with trying to get Franky House to cut out the 4kids theatrics because… like 4kids, they won't listen. I've tried to get them to stop pulling a 4kids with Iva for a while now, but they refuse to, in fact I think it's possible they might be making the accent more ridiculous specifically to spite me, although that's probably not the case.
Also, you ignored wintergt's post completely, where he/she already suggested that maybe you are taking this too far/seriously. I encourage everyone to take a look at your signature and make his/her own opinion about it. What does it show? To me it shows, as I already said, that you have creative talent. But it also demonstrates a level of childishness that I have rarely seen (or even never, therefore the ”trophy”). This is beyond any criticism (even non-constructive), this is a direct attack on a group of people who use their free time to provide others with a free product. Now think about a virtue like “gratefulness”, get it? You said that they probably will intensify the accent just to spite you. I do not think so, but have you ever considered another possibility. They will just stop doing what they are doing, because of such rude and mean attacks such as yours? Have you ever considered all the people that are grateful for the work of Franky-House and that they provide these people with their service for free? That is the problem I have, using ones power to attack such altruistic people. Even if you are not grateful for their work, please always keep in mind that other clearly are and that it is unlikely that you have the right to rob them of the free product that they enjoy. Just think about this for a second, please.
And I am not saying to keep critcism to oneself, no, definitely not, I am sure they are glad to hear, how they could improve. But not like the way you did, by such a crude attempt that eradicates the boundaries between critique and open hostility. You know that your sig is seen all over the forum right now, in all the threads you ever posted. So please reread wintergts statement and think about it. And also, your comparison to 4kids is a really bad example. I must admit, that I have never seen a whole episode of One Piece done by 4kids and I do not intend to, but you know that they make (or rather made, or tried to, or whatever) money by airing One Piece, they do this for a living and criticising them is different than criticising a group of people who do things for free. You cannot tell a person: “Do a better job!” in such a mean fashion if this person(s) is not doing this as an actual job. Just my opinion, if you think this is the right way, I cannot change that.
I already stated that I was a lurker and I have never lurked the whole forum. The places where I “lurked” mostly where topics or subboards about fan-stuff (subs, translations and so on) and there it is that I often times found your discontent about the FREE work of others. And this really irks me, even more since as I already stated, but since it is the truth I have no problem repeating it, you HAVE a creative talent but you use it for THIS. What a waste of talent! You are also not stupid. No one really cares about stupid people being annoying, that is just the way they are. If a person who is quite obviously intelligent, like you, follows such behavioural patterns it annoys people, because they know that this person could do different, much better. Of course you are allowed to do what you want but to me this is a complete waste of your potential. And I mean this in all honesty.
Just a word of advice, next time you want to tell someone they're long-winded and pretentious, don't do it in a Long-winded and pretentious way. it just makes you look like a hypocrite.
And I have no clue where I criticised you for being “long-winded”. You always come back, like Dracula, yes, but I have nothing against someone's long-windedness if it is not always repetitive. And about being pretentious, that can be said of every individual. It is like the unfair cliché about women who voice their opinions. Some men call women, who sometimes utter: “No”, bitches. Is that fair? I do not think so. Again, I am absolutely for everyone having an opinion but it is the way of voicing it that is sometimes waaaaaay off.
@Thousand:
O_O
I think I'm gonna like you
I doubt that, because you are the next one on my list. ;) No I am just kidding, thanks for the nice welcome.
Actually, I typed a response to what you said, but I must have reloaded the page and lost it. I read what you posted and took it to heart, Notice I changed my sig.
I was told by someone That Blinktopia didn't do it, I was misinformed. Still, Franky House are usually the first to release, so theirs spreads faster and wider than Blinktopia's does, but that's no reason I should be criticising just them.I'm taking the fight to an ad-campaign in my sig and being done with it.
If Binktopia does it as well there must be a very good reason CNet's translations I find are probably the best I have ever read.
if you want you can go to his thread on mangahelpers and ask him why he does so, I am sure he would answer your question
Actually, I typed a response to what you said, but I must have reloaded the page and lost it. I read what you posted and took it to heart, Notice I changed my sig.
I was told by someone That Blinktopia didn't do it, I was misinformed. Still, Franky House are usually the first to release, so theirs spreads faster and wider than Blinktopia's does, but that's no reason I should be criticising just them.I'm taking the fight to an ad-campaign in my sig and being done with it.
I see, ok then. I guess I'm in favor of equality, so I'm just glad to see that this isn't based on some form of favoritism.
Did you have a comment to my translator compared to scanlation group question that I missed out on?
I see, ok then. I guess I'm in favor of equality, so I'm just glad to see that this isn't based on some form of favoritism.
Did you have a comment to my translator compared to scanlation group question that I missed out on?
My Major qualms are with translations that create false notions in the fans.
Like Nakama. It puts too much emphasis on the word itself. and this isn't my opinion, dythm, head of the group who STARTED the Nakama phenomenon, posted on K-F during their release of Water 7 that they only started the Nakama thing because they were having trouble with the "NAMI! OMAE WA ORE NO NAKAMA DA!!" line in Arlong Park, and he himself thought the term would become "Overused" which is exactly what my problem with it is. They have since "cut down" to using it only of times of heightened importance. The guy who started the whole thing thinks the same as me. (Only I think it much more strongly)
And this Iva thing makes people think Oda MADE Iva Russian when he didn't. he gave Iva a speech quirk that only applies to personal pronouns.
and what translator compared to comment? I must have missed that
My Major qualms are with translations that create false notions in the fans.
Like Nakama. It puts too much emphasis on the word itself. and this isn't my opinion, dythm, head of the group who STARTED the Nakama phenomenon, posted on K-F during their release of Water 7 that they only started the Nakama thing because they were having trouble with the "NAMI! OMAE WA ORE NO NAKAMA DA!!" line in Arlong Park, and he himself thought the term would become "Overused" which is exactly what my problem with it is. They have since "cut down" to using it only of times of heightened importance. The guy who started the whole thing thinks the same as me. (Only I think it much more strongly)
And this Iva thing makes people think Oda MADE Iva Russian when he didn't. he gave Iva a speech quirk that only applies to personal pronouns.and what translator compared to comment? I must have missed that
Yes, I've read your posts in the past, so I understand your stance on these issues. Anyway, nakama, accents, etc, are all decided by the translator, are they not? I'm curious about attacking an entire scanlation/fansub group as a whole for something that may simply come down to a translator issue (who is, in many cases, not even affiliated with the scanlation group). As far as I know, neither FH or Binktopia have a translator working for them that they use for their scripts, and they go hunt down translations when the chapter is released and use them without changing anything. I could be mistaken, but this is my understanding of the process.
FH was scrambling looking for translators when Cnet started reserving his scripts, at least. I've seen that Binktopia has just been using Cnet's translation exactly as he writes it recently, as well.
Yes, I've read your posts in the past, so I understand your stance on these issues. Anyway, nakama, accents, etc, are all decided by the translator, are they not? I'm curious about attacking an entire scanlation group as a whole for something that may simply come down to a translator issue. As far as I know, neither FH or Binktopia have a translator working for them, so they go hunt down translations when the chapter is released and use them without changing anything. I could be mistaken, but this is my understanding of the process.
Hence why I'm taking the fight to my Sig.
But a Script editor or typesetter could easily remove the accent in the editing process.
If binktopia or franky house decide to edit the translations they've found wouldn't the credits be wrong? I mean why don't you write a PM to Cnet and asks him why he chose the "V"?
I don't know they take the translations they get and fill the bubbles with it. What is their crime? Did you think that they themselves may have no super japanese knowledge that make them think "hmm this is indeed wrong" while reading it? I mean i understand what Ivan says. Even if it's a minor issue.
Now you're blaming the scanlators/typesetters which is wrong.
Hence why I'm taking the fight to my Sig.
But a Script editor or typesetter could easily remove the accent in the editing process.
^^ This is true, I fix any retarded spelling/wording mistakes I see her make before I ever let it see the page. :P
-Zera
Hence why I'm taking the fight to my Sig.
But a Script editor or typesetter could easily remove the accent in the editing process.
^^ This is true, I fix any retarded spelling/wording mistakes I see her make before I ever let it see the page. :P
-Zera
Well sure, but this type of mistake isn't exactly obvious/retarded. A typesetter/edittor can't be expected to know the details of an accent in a foreign language. Such a task should be left to the translator to handle as they see fit.
Well sure, but this type of mistake isn't exactly obvious/retarded. A typesetter/edittor can't be expected to know the details of an accent in a foreign language. Such a task should be left to the translator to handle as they see fit.
True. I also get into more debates with her on stuff than what's posted on this site as well. XD Guess it comes down I'm more close to my translator than most groups. The textsetters at FH(or several other groups for that matter) probably never even speak to the translators(hence the old Thriller Bark garbage never got taken care of), so stuff like that never gets discussed/fixed/etc.
-Zera
I have been lurking this forum for years, but now I just had to create an account because I have a trophy to deliver. And this trophy goes to Demon Rin.
In all my years on the internet, on all the boards I have been on (active or passive), you, Demon Rin, are, by far, the most annoying person I have ever encountered. Ever! And that has to mean something when one can find massive hordes of annoying persons for example on Youtube right at everyone's fingertips. But you just conquer the crown of crowns.
It does not matter if it is a discussion about the usage of “nakama” or now about accents or about fanart or whatever. You are always there to proclaim your opinion. And do not get me wrong, it is good, that you have an opinion, everyone should have. But somehow you misunderstood Hamlet's concept about the “nutshell” and its implicated exclusivity. You seem to live under the delusion that the little bubble you exist in is the dominant way of exemplary existence for every other human being. Your opinion is dogma and being of different opinion is utter blasphemy. Countless discussions and you so often claimed that you will not say anything about the given topic any more just to reappear a few post below and continue your righteous havoc.
…
So, larmoyant little girl, take your trophy and carry your head with pride, because this is a lifetime achievement award.
...
I really hope, for the people around you, that one day you will find enough acknowledgement in real life that you will not feel the need to force your opinions down the virtual throats of other internet users.
Well then, have a nice day, board bully.
So much win right there. Spot fucking on.
I started to reply to Rin a couple times and then deleted it since nothing you say to her will ever sink in, as she is pathologically incapable of admitting an error or even seeing another person's point of view. The 4ranky house sig is just one hilarious example of how extremely polar her way of looking at the world is, that she would start a PR campaign against a rival scanlation group as if she were saving the fucking world from bad translations or something.
Reminds me Rin, hows that scanlation project going? I archived all three of your awesomely translated chapters, but then you just sorta lost interest like probably most things in life you do. Probably takes more than a week to fill up your extra translation notes pages with your sophomoric conceited rambling.
So much win right there. Spot fucking on.
I started to reply to Rin a couple times and then deleted it since nothing you say to her will ever sink in, as she is pathologically incapable of admitting an error or even seeing another person's point of view. The 4ranky house sig is just one hilarious example of how extremely polar her way of looking at the world is, that she would start a PR campaign against a rival scanlation group as if she were saving the fucking world from bad translations or something.Reminds me Rin, hows that scanlation project going? I archived all three of your awesomely translated chapters, but then you just sorta lost interest like probably most things in life you do. Probably takes more than a week to fill up your extra translation notes pages with your sophomoric conceited rambling.
We didn't have the people to keep up with a weekly release, and life got to me.
And I don't ever admit to error or see another's point of view? Right, I never do, ever CoughonepageagourougeshowedmeIwaswrongsoIchangedmysignatureCough Excuse me
AP: home of crazy women. Well I can think of 3 that would qualify.
I stand corrected, guess there's a first for everything. So you admit then, that your energies were misdirected in a pointless fashion? Good to hear.
AP: home of crazy women. Well I can think of 3 that would qualify.
I can name 2, who is the third one?
@Demon Rin maybe you didn't see the question but did you directly ask the translators why they chose that accent?
Name your 2, I'll fill in the 3rd one then.
Al!naJames and Demon Rin are the only crazy women I know.
Again people are up in arms over such a small error. Sure it's wrong, but there's really no need to FREAK OUT about it. In my opinion Demon Rin has a point, but like every other argument she's taking it way too far. You need to chill a bit.